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	<title>Comments on: Konfeedulator: Feedthink meets widgethink</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DO-IT-YOURSELF-TIPS</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-360779</link>
		<dc:creator>DO-IT-YOURSELF-TIPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info about Konfeedulator: Feedthink meets widgethink!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info about Konfeedulator: Feedthink meets widgethink!</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Widgverts</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-351452</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Widgverts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who remembered what I wrote better than I did, I rediscovered a related post I wrote two years ago: Feedthink meets Widgethink. Most content is a feed and feeds can fill many widgets and that adds up to a new architecture for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] who remembered what I wrote better than I did, I rediscovered a related post I wrote two years ago: Feedthink meets Widgethink. Most content is a feed and feeds can fill many widgets and that adds up to a new architecture for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: technoogle.com Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Yahoo acquires Konfabulator, Why?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-64555</link>
		<dc:creator>technoogle.com Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Yahoo acquires Konfabulator, Why?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And as Jeff Jarvis said, Widgets is not only about the desktop, they should be and will be available on all devices portable or not (Mobile Phones, PDAs, TiVo, Xbox 360) A huge Congrats to Yahoo, it&#8217;s definitely a great move in the right direction, here&#8217;s the official word from Yahoo. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And as Jeff Jarvis said, Widgets is not only about the desktop, they should be and will be available on all devices portable or not (Mobile Phones, PDAs, TiVo, Xbox 360) A huge Congrats to Yahoo, it&#8217;s definitely a great move in the right direction, here&#8217;s the official word from Yahoo. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jim petri</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-2392</link>
		<dc:creator>jim petri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no answer ---------- what is a widget</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no answer &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- what is a widget</p>
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		<title>By: jim petri</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>jim petri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHAT IS A WIDGET</description>
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		<title>By: Greg Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with widget programs like Konfabulator is that you have to go out and download their runtime before you can use one of its widgets.

Konfabulator is a late comer to the whole widget business anyway. DesktopX (www.desktopx.net) was doing everything Konfabualtor could do and more years before Konfabulator showed up.

Last week they released DesktopX 3.1 which, amongst other things, includes a Professional version that lets people export their widgets as gadgets. Gadgets are truly stand alone.  Your examples would be much better as gadgets since it wouldn't require companies to bundle some 10 megabyte run time.  DesktopX gadgets tend to be around 500k total. No other files needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with widget programs like Konfabulator is that you have to go out and download their runtime before you can use one of its widgets.</p>
<p>Konfabulator is a late comer to the whole widget business anyway. DesktopX (www.desktopx.net) was doing everything Konfabualtor could do and more years before Konfabulator showed up.</p>
<p>Last week they released DesktopX 3.1 which, amongst other things, includes a Professional version that lets people export their widgets as gadgets. Gadgets are truly stand alone.  Your examples would be much better as gadgets since it wouldn&#8217;t require companies to bundle some 10 megabyte run time.  DesktopX gadgets tend to be around 500k total. No other files needed.</p>
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		<title>By: The Lonewacko Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lonewacko Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not familiar with K! or with Tiger, but it's marginally worth pointing out that &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDoc" rel="nofollow"&gt;OpenDoc&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taligent" rel="nofollow"&gt;Taligent&lt;/a&gt; were trying to create something which I take to be similar many years ago, albeit larger scale and less desk accessory-oriented. Similar things might have been around since the 60s or 70s at Xerox PARC, but I'm not sure about that.

And, after all that work of making links, I have a feeling they're going to have nofollow tags. So, any search engines hitting this page might not fully understand that this comment is about OpenDoc and Taligent. And, it will help any scraper sites that want to rank above WP for those terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not familiar with K! or with Tiger, but it&#8217;s marginally worth pointing out that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDoc" rel="nofollow">OpenDoc</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taligent" rel="nofollow">Taligent</a> were trying to create something which I take to be similar many years ago, albeit larger scale and less desk accessory-oriented. Similar things might have been around since the 60s or 70s at Xerox PARC, but I&#8217;m not sure about that.</p>
<p>And, after all that work of making links, I have a feeling they&#8217;re going to have nofollow tags. So, any search engines hitting this page might not fully understand that this comment is about OpenDoc and Taligent. And, it will help any scraper sites that want to rank above WP for those terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Guinane</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Guinane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon me, Javascript apps.

Would Yahoo! have been as interested in Konfab had Apple not shown the amazing across the board potential for widgets in its latest OS?  Also, if what PXLated says above is true, the ease with which you can program for Apple widgets is a plus in their favor. It means that anyone with a great idea for a widget can bring it forward, upload it to Apple's site and share it without having to bother with proprietary Konwhatevertheirnameis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon me, Javascript apps.</p>
<p>Would Yahoo! have been as interested in Konfab had Apple not shown the amazing across the board potential for widgets in its latest OS?  Also, if what PXLated says above is true, the ease with which you can program for Apple widgets is a plus in their favor. It means that anyone with a great idea for a widget can bring it forward, upload it to Apple&#8217;s site and share it without having to bother with proprietary Konwhatevertheirnameis.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Yahoo! deal is sweet revenge for the Konfabulator guys.

Apple may have had Desktop Accessories waaay back in early versions of their old OS, but they are nothing like the current widgets of Konfabulator.  Apple fans who will defend ANYTHING the company does have tried to argue otherwise, but even if you put that debate aside, the Desktop Accessories disappeared long ago.

In Konfabulator, Arlo Rose and company had a great idea, married it with good coding and put it together in a gorgeous visual package, something which happens rarely.  (Most developers only get it partly right.) 

And Apple came along as swiped the entire thing.

Now Yahoo! is going to popularize an excellent program (for free!) and extend what was temporarily a competitive advantage for the new Tiger OS to everyone.  It's a brilliant move.

I love Apple, which is why I'm happy this sad tale had such a happy ending.  That'll teach 'em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Yahoo! deal is sweet revenge for the Konfabulator guys.</p>
<p>Apple may have had Desktop Accessories waaay back in early versions of their old OS, but they are nothing like the current widgets of Konfabulator.  Apple fans who will defend ANYTHING the company does have tried to argue otherwise, but even if you put that debate aside, the Desktop Accessories disappeared long ago.</p>
<p>In Konfabulator, Arlo Rose and company had a great idea, married it with good coding and put it together in a gorgeous visual package, something which happens rarely.  (Most developers only get it partly right.) </p>
<p>And Apple came along as swiped the entire thing.</p>
<p>Now Yahoo! is going to popularize an excellent program (for free!) and extend what was temporarily a competitive advantage for the new Tiger OS to everyone.  It&#8217;s a brilliant move.</p>
<p>I love Apple, which is why I&#8217;m happy this sad tale had such a happy ending.  That&#8217;ll teach &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: The Lonewacko Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lonewacko Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Java is completely different than Javascript."

It's also worth pointing out that one of the K co-founders was apparently working at Sun at the time. Sun invented Java, but apparently that was considered too difficult or too slow, too heavyweight, or not xplatform enough.

Widgets and other components have been around for a long time from Apple, MS, and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Java is completely different than Javascript.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth pointing out that one of the K co-founders was apparently working at Sun at the time. Sun invented Java, but apparently that was considered too difficult or too slow, too heavyweight, or not xplatform enough.</p>
<p>Widgets and other components have been around for a long time from Apple, MS, and others.</p>
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		<title>By: jim petri</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>jim petri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im just getting into blogging and dont quite understand how it works and all the definitions,, but im trying
     a thought -- with all the freedoms we have goes an awlful lot of responsibility and good sense</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im just getting into blogging and dont quite understand how it works and all the definitions,, but im trying<br />
     a thought &#8212; with all the freedoms we have goes an awlful lot of responsibility and good sense</p>
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		<title>By: PXLated</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>PXLated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of small clarifications...
1) A lot of people get confused on this. Apple didn't rip-off Knfab. Apple has had widgets in one form or another for a long time (think Desk Accessories in the previous OS). Apple uses standard dhtml, javascript, css to make widgets (they are mini-webpages. Konfab uses it's own proprietary system. I could build/modify an Apple widget, I could not build a Konfab widget.
2) Apple widgets are not Java apps. Java is completely different than Javascript.
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of small clarifications&#8230;<br />
1) A lot of people get confused on this. Apple didn&#8217;t rip-off Knfab. Apple has had widgets in one form or another for a long time (think Desk Accessories in the previous OS). Apple uses standard dhtml, javascript, css to make widgets (they are mini-webpages. Konfab uses it&#8217;s own proprietary system. I could build/modify an Apple widget, I could not build a Konfab widget.<br />
2) Apple widgets are not Java apps. Java is completely different than Javascript.<br />
 <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Noel Guinane</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Guinane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Widgets are great little java aps and though they didn't invent them, I think Apple is terrific for making them so conveniently available by including them in their latest OS.

I'd like to see an astronomy widget that would tell me from my current location where I can find major constellations and planets and what exciting conjunctions etc. are coming up in the sky for me to see.

Or how about a sophisticated insult widget which like a thesaurus would give you instant access to wonderfully obscure insults you could hurl at that urbane, obtuse, pseudo-intellectual, long-winded blogger who's been aggravating you so much lately, and whom you'd like to call a variety of names none of which would be appropriate in a public forum. 

Here's an example:

"Jim continues to advance the older, well tested, but more conservative views of the Procrustean school, but concentrates on the Antediluvian approach rather than the more progressive disintegrative antipotentials viewpoint as advanced by Brobdingnag et al. Perhaps he is not familiar with Sheiskopf and his work on this subject? It is a testimonial to the broadmindedness of the authorities in his part of the world that he is able to voice these views without apparent inhibition. I wonder if he has adequately studied the valuable influence of intelligence on this issue."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Widgets are great little java aps and though they didn&#8217;t invent them, I think Apple is terrific for making them so conveniently available by including them in their latest OS.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see an astronomy widget that would tell me from my current location where I can find major constellations and planets and what exciting conjunctions etc. are coming up in the sky for me to see.</p>
<p>Or how about a sophisticated insult widget which like a thesaurus would give you instant access to wonderfully obscure insults you could hurl at that urbane, obtuse, pseudo-intellectual, long-winded blogger who&#8217;s been aggravating you so much lately, and whom you&#8217;d like to call a variety of names none of which would be appropriate in a public forum. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an example:</p>
<p>&#8220;Jim continues to advance the older, well tested, but more conservative views of the Procrustean school, but concentrates on the Antediluvian approach rather than the more progressive disintegrative antipotentials viewpoint as advanced by Brobdingnag et al. Perhaps he is not familiar with Sheiskopf and his work on this subject? It is a testimonial to the broadmindedness of the authorities in his part of the world that he is able to voice these views without apparent inhibition. I wonder if he has adequately studied the valuable influence of intelligence on this issue.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill K.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/25/konfeedulator/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT: Hey Jeff, is this the first time you're on Stern?

You seem like old buddies with Howard. "17 million this, 17 million that."

"I'm not into this whole blog thing," says Robin.

Good call, but I don't think you've convince them about the blog business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT: Hey Jeff, is this the first time you&#8217;re on Stern?</p>
<p>You seem like old buddies with Howard. &#8220;17 million this, 17 million that.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not into this whole blog thing,&#8221; says Robin.</p>
<p>Good call, but I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ve convince them about the blog business model.</p>
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