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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Morris :: links for 2005-07-30 :: July :: 2005</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/28/snob/#comment-8390</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Morris :: links for 2005-07-30 :: July :: 2005</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine: Snob Jeff Jarvis on the relation between blogging and big media (tags: blog journalism media weblog) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/28/snob/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,
Totally agree with your take, although I think Cauthorn used a cheap trick - outrageousness - to get attention for Corante&#039;s latest blog. I grant him the point that many traditional news outlets don&#039;t get blogging yet but they will. For what it&#039;s worth, I wrote a response that can be found at:
http://evans.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/31/1094164.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
Totally agree with your take, although I think Cauthorn used a cheap trick &#8211; outrageousness &#8211; to get attention for Corante&#8217;s latest blog. I grant him the point that many traditional news outlets don&#8217;t get blogging yet but they will. For what it&#8217;s worth, I wrote a response that can be found at:<br />
<a href="http://evans.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/31/1094164.html" rel="nofollow">http://evans.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/31/1094164.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/28/snob/#comment-666</link>
		<dc:creator>lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares...
Stop talking about blogging, seriously.
Talking about blogs on your weblog, is rediculous...
Who cares?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares&#8230;<br />
Stop talking about blogging, seriously.<br />
Talking about blogs on your weblog, is rediculous&#8230;<br />
Who cares?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Heaton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/28/snob/#comment-561</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Heaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, while I don&#039;t necessarily disagree with anything you&#039;ve written here, I think that you&#039;ve buried the lead by dwelling on this one aspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, while I don&#8217;t necessarily disagree with anything you&#8217;ve written here, I think that you&#8217;ve buried the lead by dwelling on this one aspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Vin Crosbie (former old media guy three months shy of 50)</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/28/snob/#comment-559</link>
		<dc:creator>Vin Crosbie (former old media guy three months shy of 50)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Bob. He observed that among the hundred (or is it now hundreds?) of staff-written blogs that big media companies have launched during the past few years, a person can count on his fingers the number that are actually worth reading. He should have known better than to gore a new-media sacred cow such as blogging -- even if he was writing about only media staff written blogs.

I&#039;m not surprised that his poking a sacred cow resulted in his receiving ad hominem counterattacks (&#039;Who are you, Cauthorn, to say who can and who cannot blog?&#039;) from one of the high priests. But what does surprises me here is the priest himself has a very long history of blogging his own opinions about who should and shouldn&#039;t be doing what online. Doesn&#039;t Bob have an equal right to do so, even if his opinions are contrary to the new dogma?

Anyone who questions who he is to have said what he&#039;s said needs to question their own right to say such things, too. The fact is you each have that right. Blessed be free speech, even when contrary to the new dogma. So, if you want to refute what Bob says, refute what he says, not him personally or how he says it. 

With strikingly rare exceptions (hello,  beloved Guardian), media staff written blogs are as boring and popular as wet newsprint.  Bob wasn&#039;t &#039;importing the very worst of old media into new&#039; but pointing to justly failed examples of such import. He wasn&#039;t cutting &#039;these saplings off before they could sprout&#039;, but suggesting that perhaps the roots of one-to-many big media thinking don&#039;t transplant into many-to-many new-media soil. The real shame here is people who try to cover that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Bob. He observed that among the hundred (or is it now hundreds?) of staff-written blogs that big media companies have launched during the past few years, a person can count on his fingers the number that are actually worth reading. He should have known better than to gore a new-media sacred cow such as blogging &#8212; even if he was writing about only media staff written blogs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised that his poking a sacred cow resulted in his receiving ad hominem counterattacks (&#8216;Who are you, Cauthorn, to say who can and who cannot blog?&#8217;) from one of the high priests. But what does surprises me here is the priest himself has a very long history of blogging his own opinions about who should and shouldn&#8217;t be doing what online. Doesn&#8217;t Bob have an equal right to do so, even if his opinions are contrary to the new dogma?</p>
<p>Anyone who questions who he is to have said what he&#8217;s said needs to question their own right to say such things, too. The fact is you each have that right. Blessed be free speech, even when contrary to the new dogma. So, if you want to refute what Bob says, refute what he says, not him personally or how he says it. </p>
<p>With strikingly rare exceptions (hello,  beloved Guardian), media staff written blogs are as boring and popular as wet newsprint.  Bob wasn&#8217;t &#8216;importing the very worst of old media into new&#8217; but pointing to justly failed examples of such import. He wasn&#8217;t cutting &#8216;these saplings off before they could sprout&#8217;, but suggesting that perhaps the roots of one-to-many big media thinking don&#8217;t transplant into many-to-many new-media soil. The real shame here is people who try to cover that up.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Green</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/28/snob/#comment-546</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Thanks for the very kind words. We have learned so much in just our few short months of blogging. There is a new type of freedom of expression and discussion that you get with blogging that I really welcome. The direct feedback, the unexpected and insightful comments, the humbling experiences, the stretching of muscles we never really use in traditional journalism,and what we still need to learn--I love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Thanks for the very kind words. We have learned so much in just our few short months of blogging. There is a new type of freedom of expression and discussion that you get with blogging that I really welcome. The direct feedback, the unexpected and insightful comments, the humbling experiences, the stretching of muscles we never really use in traditional journalism,and what we still need to learn&#8211;I love it.</p>
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		<title>By: RG</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/28/snob/#comment-533</link>
		<dc:creator>RG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You learned new tricks, dog.&lt;/i&gt;

The first time I read this sentence, I kept thinking &quot;ghetto&quot; and &quot;rap.&quot;  I got it the second time, but it&#039;s still hilarious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You learned new tricks, dog.</i></p>
<p>The first time I read this sentence, I kept thinking &#8220;ghetto&#8221; and &#8220;rap.&#8221;  I got it the second time, but it&#8217;s still hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Caraway</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/28/snob/#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Caraway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the same feeling when I first started to read this piece yesterday. But by the end, I realized he was just going over the top for effect, to push his point that this is two-way communication, that just spitting out the same stuff doesn&#039;t help the enterprise. Read it again, get over the &quot;you don&#039;t get to blog&quot; part, and I think you will see what he&#039;s really talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same feeling when I first started to read this piece yesterday. But by the end, I realized he was just going over the top for effect, to push his point that this is two-way communication, that just spitting out the same stuff doesn&#8217;t help the enterprise. Read it again, get over the &#8220;you don&#8217;t get to blog&#8221; part, and I think you will see what he&#8217;s really talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Hammock</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/28/snob/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Hammock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. Did I say I started my blog in 1990. I meant to say 2000. Of course, that&#039;s the kind of senility thing that sets in after you get to be as old as Jeff and I are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. Did I say I started my blog in 1990. I meant to say 2000. Of course, that&#8217;s the kind of senility thing that sets in after you get to be as old as Jeff and I are.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Small</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/28/snob/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Small</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it have been more useful for Cauthorn to illustrate, in his seemingly veteran view, the difference between blogging and pretending to blog? It&#039;s the latter he seems most worried about. But I think Internet participants and consumers will sort signal from noise without, upon consideration of the source, automatically dismissing mainstream media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it have been more useful for Cauthorn to illustrate, in his seemingly veteran view, the difference between blogging and pretending to blog? It&#8217;s the latter he seems most worried about. But I think Internet participants and consumers will sort signal from noise without, upon consideration of the source, automatically dismissing mainstream media.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Hammock</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/28/snob/#comment-515</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Hammock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 04:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rexblog.com/2005/07/28#a7429&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amen, Brother Jeff.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.rexblog.com/2005/07/28#a7429" rel="nofollow">Amen, Brother Jeff.</a></p>
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		<title>By: D.C. Insider</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/28/snob/#comment-511</link>
		<dc:creator>D.C. Insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These snobbish types suffer superiority complex to hide their inferiority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These snobbish types suffer superiority complex to hide their inferiority.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Rowse</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/28/snob/#comment-509</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Rowse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post Jeff - I read posts like Bob&#039;s and shudder as I think of how pretentious they come across as.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post Jeff &#8211; I read posts like Bob&#8217;s and shudder as I think of how pretentious they come across as.</p>
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