Comments on: Tag happy http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:43:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: 注册公司 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-354878 注册公司 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:14:45 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-354878 good morning. good morning.

]]> By: » Does putting Technorati and other tags on your blog help » » » Website Content Writer & Freelance Copywriter http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-132809 » Does putting Technorati and other tags on your blog help » » » Website Content Writer & Freelance Copywriter Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:46:49 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-132809 [...] So I searched for “what’s the use of technorati tags” and I found this very interesting post – the post had been triggered by this post on BuzzMachine. Anyway, the first link led me to this link and this further led me here, a post written to basically debunk this post. Before I write more I must mention that these are old posts. [...] [...] So I searched for “what’s the use of technorati tags” and I found this very interesting post – the post had been triggered by this post on BuzzMachine. Anyway, the first link led me to this link and this further led me here, a post written to basically debunk this post. Before I write more I must mention that these are old posts. [...]

]]> By: Dave http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-85757 Dave Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:06:26 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-85757 Does this still apply today? Does this still apply today?

]]> By: christina http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-1129 christina Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:10:21 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-1129 I'd argue these are not tags at all, but merely keywords such have been used by authors since before the internet and provide all the value or lack of value as keywords ever did. I'd aruge what makes tags tags is the openness of the author (owner of the wall) to allow readers (graffeti artists) to add their own tags to a given piece of content (the wall). Like with graffeti, you open yourself up to crap as well as art. But the real power of tags comes forward there, because how the end users see the content gets reflected in the way it is described in the tags, improving SEO, etc etc. Even you limit the size of permitted taggers, as Flickr does by restricting to "freinds" it still is smarter than you doing it, with your preconceived conception of what a story is about. I'm kinda depressed with folks using tags as keywords and throwing away value. (also, by using them as primary navigation as you are, you tend to reduce the number of tags for scanning purposes, which also restricts their true value. I think they re most value in combination with traditional naviagion. If you wanted to use them for both, you coud have prefered terms and related terms, if that is not to LIS geeky) excuse spelling errors,: dyslexic. I’d argue these are not tags at all, but merely keywords such have been used by authors since before the internet and provide all the value or lack of value as keywords ever did. I’d aruge what makes tags tags is the openness of the author (owner of the wall) to allow readers (graffeti artists) to add their own tags to a given piece of content (the wall). Like with graffeti, you open yourself up to crap as well as art. But the real power of tags comes forward there, because how the end users see the content gets reflected in the way it is described in the tags, improving SEO, etc etc. Even you limit the size of permitted taggers, as Flickr does by restricting to “freinds” it still is smarter than you doing it, with your preconceived conception of what a story is about. I’m kinda depressed with folks using tags as keywords and throwing away value.

(also, by using them as primary navigation as you are, you tend to reduce the number of tags for scanning purposes, which also restricts their true value. I think they re most value in combination with traditional naviagion. If you wanted to use them for both, you coud have prefered terms and related terms, if that is not to LIS geeky)

excuse spelling errors,: dyslexic.

]]> By: The Peoria Pundit http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-772 The Peoria Pundit Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:15:40 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-772 Ummm .... I hope I'm not being rude for asking, but where can I get this plug in? Can I get it? Ummm …. I hope I’m not being rude for asking, but where can I get this plug in? Can I get it?

]]> By: Matt http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-739 Matt Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:49:27 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-739 Gee, I know a site. It's a little photo sharing site called Flickr : ) I just found out how to search ALL tags or ANY tags. Ignore my comment/question above. Gee, I know a site. It’s a little photo sharing site called Flickr : ) I just found out how to search ALL tags or ANY tags. Ignore my comment/question above.

]]> By: Matt http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-735 Matt Mon, 01 Aug 2005 04:08:23 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-735 "It’d be nice to search on these, so you could find all the entries tagged both Paula Abdul and Nail Care." Since people are sort of doing a tag wishlist here, does anyone know of site with tags that already has that feature. It seems that you can only see all things tagged with X. I've never really seen see all things tagged with X and Z. (Note: I haven't really looked too hard...) “It’d be nice to search on these, so you could find all the entries tagged both Paula Abdul and Nail Care.”

Since people are sort of doing a tag wishlist here, does anyone know of site with tags that already has that feature. It seems that you can only see all things tagged with X. I’ve never really seen see all things tagged with X and Z.

(Note: I haven’t really looked too hard…)

]]> By: The Lonewacko Blog http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-668 The Lonewacko Blog Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:17:12 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-668 Addendum: you could also block them using robots.txt. You could put everything under site.com/tag and block that. Now, would you want to? Addendum: you could also block them using robots.txt. You could put everything under site.com/tag and block that.

Now, would you want to?

]]> By: The Lonewacko Blog http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-656 The Lonewacko Blog Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:46:30 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-656 Search engines might follow those tags, but just to be safe you might want to make them look like real URLs: site.com/tag/weblogs It'd be interesting to have something that would automatically extract possible tags. For instance, two single quotes around a phrase in an entry would make a tag, and the quotes would be removed when the entry is published. URLs could be extracted, so you could have a Newsday category. It'd be nice to search on these, so you could find all the entries tagged both Paula Abdul and Nail Care. What if you had just one entry on Paula Abdul, together with a P.A. tag. Then, you'd have two pages that, in the eyes of our search engine overlords, were basically the same. One of those would probably get dumped into the supplemental results. Would it be the one you want or not? You could put nofollow tags on your tag URLs, but people who put your links elsewhere might not do that. Search engines might follow those tags, but just to be safe you might want to make them look like real URLs: site.com/tag/weblogs

It’d be interesting to have something that would automatically extract possible tags. For instance, two single quotes around a phrase in an entry would make a tag, and the quotes would be removed when the entry is published. URLs could be extracted, so you could have a Newsday category.

It’d be nice to search on these, so you could find all the entries tagged both Paula Abdul and Nail Care.

What if you had just one entry on Paula Abdul, together with a P.A. tag. Then, you’d have two pages that, in the eyes of our search engine overlords, were basically the same. One of those would probably get dumped into the supplemental results. Would it be the one you want or not?

You could put nofollow tags on your tag URLs, but people who put your links elsewhere might not do that.

]]> By: Jeff Jarvis http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-651 Jeff Jarvis Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:47:58 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-651 Kevin: Thanks. I'm being dense but not on purpose. Please do explain.... Is it that tags need respositories, common pools, so one can find other material with the same tags? Can't it be that anything found with an agreed-upon set of tagging deliminters can swim in that pool? I just don't get it. Kevin:
Thanks. I’m being dense but not on purpose.
Please do explain…. Is it that tags need respositories, common pools, so one can find other material with the same tags?
Can’t it be that anything found with an agreed-upon set of tagging deliminters can swim in that pool?
I just don’t get it.

]]> By: Kevin Marks http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-650 Kevin Marks Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:41:04 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-650 No Jeff, they are closed. They link to you, and you alone, not the posts of others that show up on the Technorati pages for these tags. That was the abuse of language I was pointing out to Stowe. Of course you can to decide to do this, but please don't trumpet it as more open than linking outside the BuzzMachine walled garden. No Jeff, they are closed. They link to you, and you alone, not the posts of others that show up on the Technorati pages for these tags.

That was the abuse of language I was pointing out to Stowe.

Of course you can to decide to do this, but please don’t trumpet it as more open than linking outside the BuzzMachine walled garden.

]]> By: Jeffrey -- New York http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-648 Jeffrey -- New York Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:11:58 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-648 Oh, I forgot the tag-line: I'm pleased that NewsNight covered the story but the difference in timeliness between the MSM and the bloggers is noteworthy, don't you think? * Oh, I forgot the tag-line:

I’m pleased that NewsNight covered the story but the difference in timeliness between the MSM and the bloggers is noteworthy, don’t you think?

*

]]> By: jim wilde http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-647 jim wilde Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:46:52 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-647 Cool! Nice to see ya in the real tag world. Hopefully, others will catch on. We've been trying to introduce social software, tagging ideas to businesses for almost a year. Sadly, we got a long way to go for those co's to improve their information culture and cross over the digital divide. jim wilde www.advancinginsights.com Cool! Nice to see ya in the real tag world. Hopefully, others will catch on. We’ve been trying to introduce social software, tagging ideas to businesses for almost a year. Sadly, we got a long way to go for those co’s to improve their information culture and cross over the digital divide.

jim wilde
http://www.advancinginsights.com

]]> By: KirkH http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-646 KirkH Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:35:05 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-646 Slightly off topic but might be worth considering, from <a>"Posner at the NYTimes.</a> <blockquote> The charge by mainstream journalists that blogging lacks checks and balances is obtuse. The blogosphere has more checks and balances than the conventional media; only they are different. The model is Friedrich Hayek's classic analysis of how the economic market pools enormous quantities of information efficiently despite its decentralized character, its lack of a master coordinator or regulator, and the very limited knowledge possessed by each of its participants. In effect, the blogosphere is a collective enterprise - not 12 million separate enterprises, but one enterprise with 12 million reporters, feature writers and editorialists, yet with almost no costs. It's as if The Associated Press or Reuters had millions of reporters, many of them experts, all working with no salary for free newspapers that carried no advertising.</blockquote> I miss the preview button, where's the boy genius? Slightly off topic but might be worth considering, from “Posner at the NYTimes.

The charge by mainstream journalists that blogging lacks checks and balances is obtuse. The blogosphere has more checks and balances than the conventional media; only they are different. The model is Friedrich Hayek’s classic analysis of how the economic market pools enormous quantities of information efficiently despite its decentralized character, its lack of a master coordinator or regulator, and the very limited knowledge possessed by each of its participants.

In effect, the blogosphere is a collective enterprise – not 12 million separate enterprises, but one enterprise with 12 million reporters, feature writers and editorialists, yet with almost no costs. It’s as if The Associated Press or Reuters had millions of reporters, many of them experts, all working with no salary for free newspapers that carried no advertising.

I miss the preview button, where’s the boy genius?

]]> By: Jeffrey -- New York http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-642 Jeffrey -- New York Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:23:31 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-642 Last night on "NewsNight with Aaron Brown" there was a piece about an American soldier, Army Pfc. Stephen Tschiderer, who had been shot by terrorists in Iraq. The terrorists had filmed the shooting, but unfortunately for the terrorists the soldier had only been hit on his protective chest-plate and knocked down. The soldier immediately leapt up and joined the others in tracking down and capturing the terrorists. Pfc. Stephen Tschiderer even gave medical attention to the terrorists who had tried to kill him minutes before. I guess it should be noted that we bloggers had covered the story <b>a week ago</b>. <a href="http://jarrarsupariver.blogspot.com/2005/07/return-of-ays-man.html" rel="nofollow">Iraqi Bloggers Central</a> covered the story and included a link to the video a week ago on Saturday, July 16, 2005. Last night on “NewsNight with Aaron Brown” there was a piece about an American soldier, Army Pfc. Stephen Tschiderer, who had been shot by terrorists in Iraq. The terrorists had filmed the shooting, but unfortunately for the terrorists the soldier had only been hit on his protective chest-plate and knocked down. The soldier immediately leapt up and joined the others in tracking down and capturing the terrorists. Pfc. Stephen Tschiderer even gave medical attention to the terrorists who had tried to kill him minutes before.

I guess it should be noted that we bloggers had covered the story a week ago. Iraqi Bloggers Central covered the story and included a link to the video a week ago on Saturday, July 16, 2005.

]]> By: Duneview http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-635 Duneview Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:43:59 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-635 Minor spelling error: Jalopnik, not Jalolpnik Minor spelling error: Jalopnik, not Jalolpnik

]]> By: David Sifry http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-633 David Sifry Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:04:54 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-633 Jeff, Congratulations, and this is very cool stuff! You'll note that your tags are being indexed by Technorati ( I just saw this on http://technorati.com/tags/Weblogs ) so you're all set! As always, keep up the great writing, and please let us know how we can continue to make Technorati better for you. Dave Jeff,

Congratulations, and this is very cool stuff! You’ll note that your tags are being indexed by Technorati ( I just saw this on http://technorati.com/tags/Weblogs ) so you’re all set!

As always, keep up the great writing, and please let us know how we can continue to make Technorati better for you.

Dave

]]> By: PXLated http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-631 PXLated Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:49:29 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/07/30/tag-happy/#comment-631 Jeff...FYI...Your Nick Denton link seems hosed (at least for me). Jeff…FYI…Your Nick Denton link seems hosed (at least for me).

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