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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Sex Movie</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-13114</link>
		<dc:creator>Sex Movie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1876</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more on  the views of &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perrspectives.com/features/Taliban.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;American Taliban&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; stalwart Rick Santorum, see:

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000206.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Unrepentant: Rick Santorum on the Clergy Sex Abuse Scandal.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more on  the views of <b><a href="http://www.perrspectives.com/features/Taliban.htm" rel="nofollow">American Taliban</a></b> stalwart Rick Santorum, see:</p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000206.htm" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Unrepentant: Rick Santorum on the Clergy Sex Abuse Scandal.&#8221;</a></b></p>
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		<title>By: Mark J</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1559</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, hereâ€™s the tasty irony to that: Santorum is trying to portray â€œindividualismâ€ as â€œradicalâ€ when Iâ€™d argue, and Iâ€™ll bet most of you would agree, that individualism â€” otherwise known as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness â€” is the core of Americanism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In a way, he&#039;s right.  The first meaning of &quot;radical&quot; is &quot;Arising from or going to a root or source.&quot;  In that way, it means something similar to &quot;fundamental.&quot;

Both meanings suggest that you&#039;re doing something to the &lt;em&gt;core&lt;/em&gt; of the matter.  It&#039;s just a matter of &quot;returning to the original core&quot; vs &quot;altering the original core.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, hereâ€™s the tasty irony to that: Santorum is trying to portray â€œindividualismâ€ as â€œradicalâ€ when Iâ€™d argue, and Iâ€™ll bet most of you would agree, that individualism â€” otherwise known as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness â€” is the core of Americanism.</p></blockquote>
<p>In a way, he&#8217;s right.  The first meaning of &#8220;radical&#8221; is &#8220;Arising from or going to a root or source.&#8221;  In that way, it means something similar to &#8220;fundamental.&#8221;</p>
<p>Both meanings suggest that you&#8217;re doing something to the <em>core</em> of the matter.  It&#8217;s just a matter of &#8220;returning to the original core&#8221; vs &#8220;altering the original core.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Fighting Quaker</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1441</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fighting Quaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who votes for this guy? I don&#039;t. Never have in fact. Nobody I talked to ever admits to it either. 

I would like to personally apoligize as a resident of Pennsylania for Santorum. Unlike most of the people in this state, I only have one vote, as does my dog, named Mr. Charles Kassell, and we have both consistently voted against Santorum. Yet he still comes back, like toe fungus, to convince the thinking public that there is a secret lobotomy clinic at the State Capital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who votes for this guy? I don&#8217;t. Never have in fact. Nobody I talked to ever admits to it either. </p>
<p>I would like to personally apoligize as a resident of Pennsylania for Santorum. Unlike most of the people in this state, I only have one vote, as does my dog, named Mr. Charles Kassell, and we have both consistently voted against Santorum. Yet he still comes back, like toe fungus, to convince the thinking public that there is a secret lobotomy clinic at the State Capital.</p>
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		<title>By: owl 1</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1349</link>
		<dc:creator>owl 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.....coming back and reading......now I can&#039;t decide if my above comment was too harsh or too kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;..coming back and reading&#8230;&#8230;now I can&#8217;t decide if my above comment was too harsh or too kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Mithras</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1294</link>
		<dc:creator>Mithras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 01:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You go to a troll and repeat his rantings...&lt;/i&gt; 

Jarvis, you should know better than to refer to me as a troll.  When I used to come here, when I was under the impression you were a person who could be reasoned with, I made substantive arguments.  Anyway, someone whose main talents seem to be self-promotion and coining alliterative phrases should not be calling others trolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You go to a troll and repeat his rantings&#8230;</i> </p>
<p>Jarvis, you should know better than to refer to me as a troll.  When I used to come here, when I was under the impression you were a person who could be reasoned with, I made substantive arguments.  Anyway, someone whose main talents seem to be self-promotion and coining alliterative phrases should not be calling others trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dermitt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1231</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Dermitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,
Don&#039;t write like you are MSM.  Avoid any professionalism at any cost.  Make sure you have at least 5 links to other sites that aren&#039;t MSM or related to anything that is published by an author of books or somebody else in the MSM.  Don&#039;t even tell anybody you read MSM materials.  Make all sorts of mistakes to keep the MSM off balance and throw in some geek code that will confuse the MSMers who could be snooping around here for clues and ideas.  Don&#039;t give the MSM any ideas that could turn into MSM stories that will be printed or published electronically by the MSM.  You should check with jay as often as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
Don&#8217;t write like you are MSM.  Avoid any professionalism at any cost.  Make sure you have at least 5 links to other sites that aren&#8217;t MSM or related to anything that is published by an author of books or somebody else in the MSM.  Don&#8217;t even tell anybody you read MSM materials.  Make all sorts of mistakes to keep the MSM off balance and throw in some geek code that will confuse the MSMers who could be snooping around here for clues and ideas.  Don&#8217;t give the MSM any ideas that could turn into MSM stories that will be printed or published electronically by the MSM.  You should check with jay as often as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you took umbrage at the criticism of libetarians and went into a snit.
Your erroneous portrayal of Santorum&#039;s weltenschaung is no different than a piss-poor msm newsstory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you took umbrage at the criticism of libetarians and went into a snit.<br />
Your erroneous portrayal of Santorum&#8217;s weltenschaung is no different than a piss-poor msm newsstory.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 10:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryans analysis seems very reasonable.  I always thought that the citizens shaped the government through the elections and democratic process.  If you look back at the history of government shaping character or government helping people, you can see why President Reagan was so popular.  The message was get the government out of the way.  It was a power to the people platform and people responded.  Now the conservatives are pushing the we know best, trust us and not yourselves to shape you agenda?  Huh!  Iraq is in a way a test for this.  The President and his men said, here&#039;s what needs done and we are going to get it done.  All that the average citizen could do was take them at face value and trust that they would get the job done.  I guess that in the end the results speak for themselves and the individual American can judge for themselves if the government policies worked.  It seems to me that the individual is flexible and the government is rigid.      In fighting terror, this is good since the government is unyielding to threats.  The last thing we need is more culture war and debate over what we or the family should be in a free country.  The family is a victim of war, so the sooner the war is over the better for the family.  What is good for the family is good for the individual and it should be good enough for the government.  Unfortunately the government seems to only be good at destroying and punishing individuals who don&#039;t yield to authority.  The result of this has usually been violence and extremism.  The Cold War ended because the democratic governments didn&#039;t yield and the individual citizen was stronger without government policy shaping his or her beliefs.    In our country, you are free to make mistakes and people will make mistakes.  It isn&#039;t up to government to correct them, it makes its own mistakes on a much larger scale.  The difficulty is that the individual must correct the mistakes that are made by the government.  That can only be possible in a free society of individuals and families that form the basis of a culture worth living in and in the case of war dying for.  

Instead of getting the American people to understand the virtue of family and freedom, people such as Senator Santorum would serve better by getting the people of Iraq to find common understanding and develop a free society based on democratic process.  We already have this and it is well established and understood by a majority of Americans.  The senator is preaching to the choir.  Securing peace is difficult work, much more difficult than writing a book because you are concerned with the threat of radical individualism.  This is almost funny, the radical part that is.  I guess it&#039;s a book for rascals, Washington insiders and power players.  Many people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else&#039;s opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryans analysis seems very reasonable.  I always thought that the citizens shaped the government through the elections and democratic process.  If you look back at the history of government shaping character or government helping people, you can see why President Reagan was so popular.  The message was get the government out of the way.  It was a power to the people platform and people responded.  Now the conservatives are pushing the we know best, trust us and not yourselves to shape you agenda?  Huh!  Iraq is in a way a test for this.  The President and his men said, here&#8217;s what needs done and we are going to get it done.  All that the average citizen could do was take them at face value and trust that they would get the job done.  I guess that in the end the results speak for themselves and the individual American can judge for themselves if the government policies worked.  It seems to me that the individual is flexible and the government is rigid.      In fighting terror, this is good since the government is unyielding to threats.  The last thing we need is more culture war and debate over what we or the family should be in a free country.  The family is a victim of war, so the sooner the war is over the better for the family.  What is good for the family is good for the individual and it should be good enough for the government.  Unfortunately the government seems to only be good at destroying and punishing individuals who don&#8217;t yield to authority.  The result of this has usually been violence and extremism.  The Cold War ended because the democratic governments didn&#8217;t yield and the individual citizen was stronger without government policy shaping his or her beliefs.    In our country, you are free to make mistakes and people will make mistakes.  It isn&#8217;t up to government to correct them, it makes its own mistakes on a much larger scale.  The difficulty is that the individual must correct the mistakes that are made by the government.  That can only be possible in a free society of individuals and families that form the basis of a culture worth living in and in the case of war dying for.  </p>
<p>Instead of getting the American people to understand the virtue of family and freedom, people such as Senator Santorum would serve better by getting the people of Iraq to find common understanding and develop a free society based on democratic process.  We already have this and it is well established and understood by a majority of Americans.  The senator is preaching to the choir.  Securing peace is difficult work, much more difficult than writing a book because you are concerned with the threat of radical individualism.  This is almost funny, the radical part that is.  I guess it&#8217;s a book for rascals, Washington insiders and power players.  Many people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else&#8217;s opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Bonneville</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Bonneville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 07:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what really strikes people as so bizarre about Rick Santorum is that he&#039;s a real, honest-to-goodness conservative.  I don&#039;t mean an American conservative, which could just as easily refer to a fringe-element, heroin-shooting, prostitute-paying libertarian.  No, I mean a philosophical conservative.  An Edmund Burke or an Aristotle.  He said these things about individualism because he fundamentally believes that that&#039;s not how society is appropriately ordered.

He&#039;s not a socialist by any means and he certainly has no real affinity for much of anything the left wants to do.  Where they do agree, though, is that they both believe that government has a (prominent) role to play in shaping the character of its citizens.  I don&#039;t often agree with what he wants, but I can respect him because I understand where he&#039;s coming from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what really strikes people as so bizarre about Rick Santorum is that he&#8217;s a real, honest-to-goodness conservative.  I don&#8217;t mean an American conservative, which could just as easily refer to a fringe-element, heroin-shooting, prostitute-paying libertarian.  No, I mean a philosophical conservative.  An Edmund Burke or an Aristotle.  He said these things about individualism because he fundamentally believes that that&#8217;s not how society is appropriately ordered.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s not a socialist by any means and he certainly has no real affinity for much of anything the left wants to do.  Where they do agree, though, is that they both believe that government has a (prominent) role to play in shaping the character of its citizens.  I don&#8217;t often agree with what he wants, but I can respect him because I understand where he&#8217;s coming from.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dermitt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1190</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Dermitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Telling people not to tell people what to do.  Then telling people what to do.
No wonder there are problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telling people not to tell people what to do.  Then telling people what to do.<br />
No wonder there are problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1187</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I argue with Godists only when they try to impose their irrational dogma on me or my children. As long as you people stick to yourselves I don&#039;t care what you do, just don&#039;t mess with the rest of us. The symbolic cannibalism of the Holy Communion is fine, in other words, just don&#039;t practice literal cannibalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I argue with Godists only when they try to impose their irrational dogma on me or my children. As long as you people stick to yourselves I don&#8217;t care what you do, just don&#8217;t mess with the rest of us. The symbolic cannibalism of the Holy Communion is fine, in other words, just don&#8217;t practice literal cannibalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dermitt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1185</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Dermitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t believe in God (which is up to you), why argue with those who do?  Do your thing, do nothing and believe nothing.  If I want to put lights up all over the house and haul a big old tree into my house every December, who should say I shouldn&#039;t.  

The problem with some people of faith is that they are always trying to reach out and save the scum from themselves.   I worked with these kind scum at an airport.  The industry killed itself trying to keep them employed while they robbed the place blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t believe in God (which is up to you), why argue with those who do?  Do your thing, do nothing and believe nothing.  If I want to put lights up all over the house and haul a big old tree into my house every December, who should say I shouldn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>The problem with some people of faith is that they are always trying to reach out and save the scum from themselves.   I worked with these kind scum at an airport.  The industry killed itself trying to keep them employed while they robbed the place blind.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelos</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1181</link>
		<dc:creator>Angelos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too funny.

You realize you&#039;re in a cult right? You&#039;re no different from Scientology, Mr Kool-aid, Heaven&#039;s Gate, Charlie Mansion, and on and on. 

Code words and phrases (And also with you, good news, etc.). Silly rituals (wine and crackers). Accepting the impossible on &quot;faith.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too funny.</p>
<p>You realize you&#8217;re in a cult right? You&#8217;re no different from Scientology, Mr Kool-aid, Heaven&#8217;s Gate, Charlie Mansion, and on and on. </p>
<p>Code words and phrases (And also with you, good news, etc.). Silly rituals (wine and crackers). Accepting the impossible on &#8220;faith.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: submandave</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1180</link>
		<dc:creator>submandave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, I withdraw my statement about Athiests being hostile toward &lt;i&gt;Christians&lt;/i&gt; and replace it with Athiests being hostile toward anyone with thoughts or beliefs they cannot personally and phenomenologically verify.

Thank you for demonstrating my point better than I ever could have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I withdraw my statement about Athiests being hostile toward <i>Christians</i> and replace it with Athiests being hostile toward anyone with thoughts or beliefs they cannot personally and phenomenologically verify.</p>
<p>Thank you for demonstrating my point better than I ever could have.</p>
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		<title>By: Chancy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1169</link>
		<dc:creator>Chancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn---You are SO right--Thanks

Chancy (Lights another candle)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn&#8212;You are SO right&#8211;Thanks</p>
<p>Chancy (Lights another candle)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dermitt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1162</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Dermitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let the light shine through.  Once the zealots get going, the whole series of comments turns destructive and dark.  I guess it&#039;s a power trip.  I have my dark moods too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the light shine through.  Once the zealots get going, the whole series of comments turns destructive and dark.  I guess it&#8217;s a power trip.  I have my dark moods too.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1145</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the perfect life of Christ, that is NOT a COMMAND he would give.
 
(Please don&#039;t bring up that old Testament stuff.  All that was totally replaced by Christ&#039;s life - as in &lt;b&gt;Christ&lt;/b&gt;ian and the New Testament)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the perfect life of Christ, that is NOT a COMMAND he would give.</p>
<p>(Please don&#8217;t bring up that old Testament stuff.  All that was totally replaced by Christ&#8217;s life &#8211; as in <b>Christ</b>ian and the New Testament)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dermitt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1144</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Dermitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like we just reached the fringes here.  Maybe this is the point where you shut the comments off and start the presses rolling when you have enough to get something good into print.  Fix your little problem and light this candle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like we just reached the fringes here.  Maybe this is the point where you shut the comments off and start the presses rolling when you have enough to get something good into print.  Fix your little problem and light this candle.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penny, Christians and Catholics alike use the bible only when it suits their needs. You excuse your bigotry and scientific ignorance with the bible. So when a cynic asks you about virgin birth and such, you can&#039;t just say &quot;we don&#039;t take it literally&quot;...

It&#039;s like that joke e-mail letter to President Numbskull, asking for clarification of various biblical points:

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn&#039;t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, as we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

So Penny, so we believe in fairy tales, or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny, Christians and Catholics alike use the bible only when it suits their needs. You excuse your bigotry and scientific ignorance with the bible. So when a cynic asks you about virgin birth and such, you can&#8217;t just say &#8220;we don&#8217;t take it literally&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like that joke e-mail letter to President Numbskull, asking for clarification of various biblical points:</p>
<p>2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?</p>
<p>4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord &#8211; Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?</p>
<p>7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?</p>
<p>9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?</p>
<p>10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? &#8211; Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn&#8217;t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, as we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)</p>
<p>So Penny, so we believe in fairy tales, or not?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dermitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Dermitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a woman who wrote sermons.  Her husband was a pastor and was always busy visiting sick and dying people in the hospitals or nursing homes so time for writing was tight.  The congregation never knew she wrote the sermons, but she sung in the choir and played the organ and everybody got along just fine.  I can&#039;t tell you my sources, but I can count on them in an emergency so don&#039;t worry be happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a woman who wrote sermons.  Her husband was a pastor and was always busy visiting sick and dying people in the hospitals or nursing homes so time for writing was tight.  The congregation never knew she wrote the sermons, but she sung in the choir and played the organ and everybody got along just fine.  I can&#8217;t tell you my sources, but I can count on them in an emergency so don&#8217;t worry be happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dermitt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1138</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Dermitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. I havenâ€™t verified this, but it is sort of funny.  I&#039;m not sure of the source.  I&#039;m not sure of a whole bunch of stuff, but I try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I havenâ€™t verified this, but it is sort of funny.  I&#8217;m not sure of the source.  I&#8217;m not sure of a whole bunch of stuff, but I try.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dermitt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/04/meeting-at-the-fringes/#comment-1137</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Dermitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is on Sen. Talents Iraq Blog in the comments area.
&quot;I am very glad to receive your Blog, it brings the big picture into my vision more truly than newspaper reporters.&quot; VNR

The Senators are promoted as better than the newspaper reporters or regular old writers.  VNR has a point.  These guys are giants in the emerging Senate Media &amp; Book Club.   Sen. Santorum could be moving on and starting a new life as an author.  Sen. Talent could take Judith Millers position at the New York Times, being able to bring the big picture into vision and all.  Deliver us from evil.  

AS IS:  I haven&#039;t verified this, but it is sort of funny. 

Masters of Deceit: The Story of Communism in America and How to Fight It, by J. Edgar Hoover, 1958   

 &quot;EVERY CITIZEN has a duty to learn more about the menace that threatens his future, his home, his children, the peace of the world -- and that is why I have written this book.&quot;

    Well, Hoover didn&#039;t actually write the book itself. It was written by Agent Fern Stukenbroeker, a Bureau researcher on subversive groups who was employed in the Crime Records Division. As researcher Frank M. Sorrentino explains, it appeared under Hoover&#039;s name as part of a public relations effort to portray the director as &quot;an expert, a sage, almost a saint, ready to deliver the nation from the forces of evil.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is on Sen. Talents Iraq Blog in the comments area.<br />
&#8220;I am very glad to receive your Blog, it brings the big picture into my vision more truly than newspaper reporters.&#8221; VNR</p>
<p>The Senators are promoted as better than the newspaper reporters or regular old writers.  VNR has a point.  These guys are giants in the emerging Senate Media &amp; Book Club.   Sen. Santorum could be moving on and starting a new life as an author.  Sen. Talent could take Judith Millers position at the New York Times, being able to bring the big picture into vision and all.  Deliver us from evil.  </p>
<p>AS IS:  I haven&#8217;t verified this, but it is sort of funny. </p>
<p>Masters of Deceit: The Story of Communism in America and How to Fight It, by J. Edgar Hoover, 1958   </p>
<p> &#8220;EVERY CITIZEN has a duty to learn more about the menace that threatens his future, his home, his children, the peace of the world &#8212; and that is why I have written this book.&#8221;</p>
<p>    Well, Hoover didn&#8217;t actually write the book itself. It was written by Agent Fern Stukenbroeker, a Bureau researcher on subversive groups who was employed in the Crime Records Division. As researcher Frank M. Sorrentino explains, it appeared under Hoover&#8217;s name as part of a public relations effort to portray the director as &#8220;an expert, a sage, almost a saint, ready to deliver the nation from the forces of evil.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never was clear on that whole Sabbath thing, whodat, thanks for clearing iut up. But I&#039;m curious about something, whodat. If you heard a voice in your head claiming to be the Almighty, and he told you to kill your child (or some other handy child if you don&#039;t have one of your own) , would you comply? 

If so, why, and if not, why not?

Just curious, like I said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never was clear on that whole Sabbath thing, whodat, thanks for clearing iut up. But I&#8217;m curious about something, whodat. If you heard a voice in your head claiming to be the Almighty, and he told you to kill your child (or some other handy child if you don&#8217;t have one of your own) , would you comply? </p>
<p>If so, why, and if not, why not?</p>
<p>Just curious, like I said.</p>
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		<title>By: whodat</title>
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		<dc:creator>whodat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 05:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, I usually find your opinions well-founded and sound, but it looks like you could use a refresher on Christianity. &quot;But you can see where it comes from: their holy book tells them they have to kill their children if they talk back, and that they have to kill their neighbor if he works on Saturday. The law gets upset when they do that, but theyâ€™re just following their religion.&quot; That&#039;s just wacky. Actually the Sabbath starts Saturday night. &quot;Keeping the Sabbath Holy&quot; has nothing to do with work. 

And just because your a Christian doesn&#039;t mean you believe in Christianity? What does that even mean? While some things are symbolic in the bible, the virgin birth is not one of them. And if God can make the world I&#039;m pretty sure he can make a woman pregnant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I usually find your opinions well-founded and sound, but it looks like you could use a refresher on Christianity. &#8220;But you can see where it comes from: their holy book tells them they have to kill their children if they talk back, and that they have to kill their neighbor if he works on Saturday. The law gets upset when they do that, but theyâ€™re just following their religion.&#8221; That&#8217;s just wacky. Actually the Sabbath starts Saturday night. &#8220;Keeping the Sabbath Holy&#8221; has nothing to do with work. </p>
<p>And just because your a Christian doesn&#8217;t mean you believe in Christianity? What does that even mean? While some things are symbolic in the bible, the virgin birth is not one of them. And if God can make the world I&#8217;m pretty sure he can make a woman pregnant.</p>
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