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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Bo Lindholm</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-208122</link>
		<dc:creator>Bo Lindholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It Beats Me How</description>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-124038</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good insight into the Post 9/11 Media Coverage.

I have been searching the internet for days about theories on the very scarcely spoken about cange in the broadcast fiction after the horrific 9/11 events. The old styles of Amercian TV Series have now died out, with the last of them being Sex in The City and Friends. Both of these series show America's and American's naivity and vulnerability, in a way that is not serious and rather passive. Let's face it, these were the TV Programmes that everyone in America, and most of the Western Culture viewed or knows about. 

Now, Post 9/11, there is none to my knowledge of new programmes that show American's is a bad spotlight in a way that Friends, Sex in the City etc used to do. The new 'post-9/11' programmes now include LOST, which shows mostly Americans surviving amongst other cultures, including a ex-Iraqi soldier, a Chinese couple (one partner whom only speaks Chinese) and an English Rockstar who happens to be a heroin addict. It could be said that the other cultures are shown to be less important to those American characters, but that is a whole new topic. The TV Programme basically has an underlying subject of Americans co-operating with other cultures and themselves to find a way off the island or to survive. 

In conclusion, The Post-9/11 Theory is shown in American TV Programmes and The age of Sitcom's such as Friends as died out with the tagic events of Spetember the 11th 2001.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good insight into the Post 9/11 Media Coverage.</p>
<p>I have been searching the internet for days about theories on the very scarcely spoken about cange in the broadcast fiction after the horrific 9/11 events. The old styles of Amercian TV Series have now died out, with the last of them being Sex in The City and Friends. Both of these series show America&#8217;s and American&#8217;s naivity and vulnerability, in a way that is not serious and rather passive. Let&#8217;s face it, these were the TV Programmes that everyone in America, and most of the Western Culture viewed or knows about. </p>
<p>Now, Post 9/11, there is none to my knowledge of new programmes that show American&#8217;s is a bad spotlight in a way that Friends, Sex in the City etc used to do. The new &#8216;post-9/11&#8242; programmes now include LOST, which shows mostly Americans surviving amongst other cultures, including a ex-Iraqi soldier, a Chinese couple (one partner whom only speaks Chinese) and an English Rockstar who happens to be a heroin addict. It could be said that the other cultures are shown to be less important to those American characters, but that is a whole new topic. The TV Programme basically has an underlying subject of Americans co-operating with other cultures and themselves to find a way off the island or to survive. </p>
<p>In conclusion, The Post-9/11 Theory is shown in American TV Programmes and The age of Sitcom&#8217;s such as Friends as died out with the tagic events of Spetember the 11th 2001.</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The book is dead. Long live the book.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-49740</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The book is dead. Long live the book.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 14:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] : A few related posts about my personal relationship with books here and here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: whales</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-31499</link>
		<dc:creator>whales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the present most blogs are commentaries not primary sources. This may make for interesting reading and participation, but doesnâ€™t replace the watchdog role that the press has had since the invention of the broadside.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Random - new media and metatheory remix &#187; The Value of Trust</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-11036</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Random - new media and metatheory remix &#187; The Value of Trust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In our media 2.0, web 2.0, post-media, post-scarcity, small-is-the-new-big, open-source, gift-economy world of the empowered and connected individual, the value is no longer in maintaining an exclusive hold on things. The value is no longer in owning content or distribution. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 01:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth has been outsourced.</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-6762</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good reflections. Thanks for the insights. 

As with a previous post, I'd quibble with you on the idea of post-media. The Internet is a medium and it imposes its own constraints. To take two that are obvious, the blogsphere is closed to anyone who is not literate and does not own a computer. More subtly, it is not open to people in cultures where letting it all hang out on a public forum is OK. In other words, privilege, money and culture can still shape the message, even if no one owns the media.   

I don't know whether any of this controverts your overall point about escaping from the single-voice authority of traditional media -- but it I think it at least tempers your more enthusiastic embrace of the "openness" of the Internet. Much more open, I agree, more pluralistic and inclusive, but we're not all in this pond yet and there are a lot of cultures and sub-cultures that may never feel comfortable swimming in these waters. 

You also make a distinction between art and conversation, as if they were mutually exclusive. A lot of art is one-way in the way it is distributed, but that doesn't make it either non-interactive or non-conversational. 

The most obvious art form that is clearly conversational is jazz. And, perhaps something to reflect on at greater length -- doesn't the blog have the same kind of structure as a kind of extended set of riffs on a common theme? Perhaps your dislike of fictional monologues and preference for the blogsphere is similar to the way some people like the improvisational character of jazz over the composer's monologue? But in any case, musical performance always has the character of a conversation, both between the musicians and between the musicians and the audience. It is more obvious in jazz but not restricted to it.

Even in less obviously conversational art forms, such as writing or painting, there is a tremendous amount of conversation going on. Any study of art history will reveal an ongoing dialogue, often inter-generationally as painters or writers respond to, emulate, differ with, and improvise on the works of other artists. 

My suspicion is that human culture will always be, at its root, a conversation -- even when power and money try to shout everyone down. Is the blogsphere a radical departure or simply a new affirmation and rediscovery of this basic truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good reflections. Thanks for the insights. </p>
<p>As with a previous post, I&#8217;d quibble with you on the idea of post-media. The Internet is a medium and it imposes its own constraints. To take two that are obvious, the blogsphere is closed to anyone who is not literate and does not own a computer. More subtly, it is not open to people in cultures where letting it all hang out on a public forum is OK. In other words, privilege, money and culture can still shape the message, even if no one owns the media.   </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether any of this controverts your overall point about escaping from the single-voice authority of traditional media &#8212; but it I think it at least tempers your more enthusiastic embrace of the &#8220;openness&#8221; of the Internet. Much more open, I agree, more pluralistic and inclusive, but we&#8217;re not all in this pond yet and there are a lot of cultures and sub-cultures that may never feel comfortable swimming in these waters. </p>
<p>You also make a distinction between art and conversation, as if they were mutually exclusive. A lot of art is one-way in the way it is distributed, but that doesn&#8217;t make it either non-interactive or non-conversational. </p>
<p>The most obvious art form that is clearly conversational is jazz. And, perhaps something to reflect on at greater length &#8212; doesn&#8217;t the blog have the same kind of structure as a kind of extended set of riffs on a common theme? Perhaps your dislike of fictional monologues and preference for the blogsphere is similar to the way some people like the improvisational character of jazz over the composer&#8217;s monologue? But in any case, musical performance always has the character of a conversation, both between the musicians and between the musicians and the audience. It is more obvious in jazz but not restricted to it.</p>
<p>Even in less obviously conversational art forms, such as writing or painting, there is a tremendous amount of conversation going on. Any study of art history will reveal an ongoing dialogue, often inter-generationally as painters or writers respond to, emulate, differ with, and improvise on the works of other artists. </p>
<p>My suspicion is that human culture will always be, at its root, a conversation &#8212; even when power and money try to shout everyone down. Is the blogsphere a radical departure or simply a new affirmation and rediscovery of this basic truth?</p>
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		<title>By: Blogfic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fiction vs. Non-fiction</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-6471</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogfic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fiction vs. Non-fiction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis of Buzz Machine basically agrees. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Dermitt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1562</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Dermitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stardate 41263.1: The Enterprise is ordered to participate in search engine modification tests conducted by the arrogant Woogler and his mysterious companion, the WordBoss, but only when the news is stranded in a dimension where thoughts become reality does the crew realize that Wooglers experiments were not actually under his control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stardate 41263.1: The Enterprise is ordered to participate in search engine modification tests conducted by the arrogant Woogler and his mysterious companion, the WordBoss, but only when the news is stranded in a dimension where thoughts become reality does the crew realize that Wooglers experiments were not actually under his control.</p>
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		<title>By: Tish G</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1520</link>
		<dc:creator>Tish G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...that must be why I see more adults reading Harry Potter books than I do the latest pithy manifest from The McSweeny's Boys....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;that must be why I see more adults reading Harry Potter books than I do the latest pithy manifest from The McSweeny&#8217;s Boys&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey Exile</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1505</link>
		<dc:creator>Jersey Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;â€™Weâ€™re in a dark cultural moment. I think people seem to feel more comfortable with nonfiction,'â€™ said Adrienne Miller, a novelist and the literary editor of Esquire.&lt;/em&gt;

What a huge steaming crock of shit.  I didn't see people lining up at bookstores just before midnight in order to buy Thomas Friedman's latest, whereas J.K. Rowling seems capable of keeping both children and adults riveted to 500+ page bookstops of fiction.  

No, what V.S. Naipul and Miller are trying to say is that fiction is no longer their exclusive domain.  Fiction, like everything else, has metastasized into the culture at-large.  Fiction is dead?  Tell that to millions of video-gamers who immerse themselves into increasingly complex fictional worlds (narrative-rich "role playing games"are consistently the best-selling video game titles).  Tell that to online websites filled to bursting with original short stories, novellas, and novels written by people frustrated with the pretentiousness of the print world's gatekeepers.  Tell that to J.K. Rowling, who's now richer than the British Royal family for doing nothing more than telling stories.

Hell, go tell HBO that fiction is dead and watch them laugh their asses off.

This self-proclaimed "death of fiction" is as trite and meaningless a meme as was the much-ballyhooed "death of irony" shortly after September 11th.  Maybe Miller and Naipul aren't selling like they used to, but I can assure you that the need for fictional narrative is something that won't be going away anytime soon, no matter how dark our "cultural moment" --  after all, that the two greatest stories of all time -- the Iliad and Odyssey -- were composed by Homer during Greece's Dark Age!

(Oh, and FYI:  On Barnes' &#38; Nobles Top 100 Bestsellers, 4 of the Top Ten are works of fiction.  America must not have gotten the message that fiction was dead.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>â€™Weâ€™re in a dark cultural moment. I think people seem to feel more comfortable with nonfiction,&#8217;â€™ said Adrienne Miller, a novelist and the literary editor of Esquire.</em></p>
<p>What a huge steaming crock of shit.  I didn&#8217;t see people lining up at bookstores just before midnight in order to buy Thomas Friedman&#8217;s latest, whereas J.K. Rowling seems capable of keeping both children and adults riveted to 500+ page bookstops of fiction.  </p>
<p>No, what V.S. Naipul and Miller are trying to say is that fiction is no longer their exclusive domain.  Fiction, like everything else, has metastasized into the culture at-large.  Fiction is dead?  Tell that to millions of video-gamers who immerse themselves into increasingly complex fictional worlds (narrative-rich &#8220;role playing games&#8221;are consistently the best-selling video game titles).  Tell that to online websites filled to bursting with original short stories, novellas, and novels written by people frustrated with the pretentiousness of the print world&#8217;s gatekeepers.  Tell that to J.K. Rowling, who&#8217;s now richer than the British Royal family for doing nothing more than telling stories.</p>
<p>Hell, go tell HBO that fiction is dead and watch them laugh their asses off.</p>
<p>This self-proclaimed &#8220;death of fiction&#8221; is as trite and meaningless a meme as was the much-ballyhooed &#8220;death of irony&#8221; shortly after September 11th.  Maybe Miller and Naipul aren&#8217;t selling like they used to, but I can assure you that the need for fictional narrative is something that won&#8217;t be going away anytime soon, no matter how dark our &#8220;cultural moment&#8221; &#8212;  after all, that the two greatest stories of all time &#8212; the Iliad and Odyssey &#8212; were composed by Homer during Greece&#8217;s Dark Age!</p>
<p>(Oh, and FYI:  On Barnes&#8217; &amp; Nobles Top 100 Bestsellers, 4 of the Top Ten are works of fiction.  America must not have gotten the message that fiction was dead.)</p>
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		<title>By: db</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1489</link>
		<dc:creator>db</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 05:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of non-fiction that reads better than fiction ...

On Phil Carter's recommendation, I picked up a copy of Sean Naylor's book, "Not a Good Day to Die: The Untold Story of Operation Anaconda" (for executive summary, I refer you to &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0507.carter.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Phil Carter's review&lt;/a&gt;.

Even if you think you know how the story plays out, this book is as gripping a page-turner as anything Tom Clancy ever produced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of non-fiction that reads better than fiction &#8230;</p>
<p>On Phil Carter&#8217;s recommendation, I picked up a copy of Sean Naylor&#8217;s book, &#8220;Not a Good Day to Die: The Untold Story of Operation Anaconda&#8221; (for executive summary, I refer you to <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0507.carter.html" rel="nofollow">Phil Carter&#8217;s review</a>.</p>
<p>Even if you think you know how the story plays out, this book is as gripping a page-turner as anything Tom Clancy ever produced.</p>
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		<title>By: Lenslinger</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1470</link>
		<dc:creator>Lenslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 02:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece, Jeff. Forgive me, but your thoughts spurred some of my own and I felt compelled to blog about them (http://lenslinger.blogspot.com/2005/08/media-no-more-maybe.html). Funny how this interweb thingie works...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece, Jeff. Forgive me, but your thoughts spurred some of my own and I felt compelled to blog about them (http://lenslinger.blogspot.com/2005/08/media-no-more-maybe.html). Funny how this interweb thingie works&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1467</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry Potter is actually very relevant:
Death Eaters are quite like Islamofascists, with Diagon Alley a new society of Fear.  Media Bias is clear and oppressive in Book #4, and then again in #5 (not much in #6).  In #6 Minister Fudge is ineffective, as is the whole Ministry -- image over substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry Potter is actually very relevant:<br />
Death Eaters are quite like Islamofascists, with Diagon Alley a new society of Fear.  Media Bias is clear and oppressive in Book #4, and then again in #5 (not much in #6).  In #6 Minister Fudge is ineffective, as is the whole Ministry &#8212; image over substance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dermitt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Dermitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogging:  The News Abyss
2020 and everybody is a reporter.  There are 100 blogs a second being generated.</description>
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2020 and everybody is a reporter.  There are 100 blogs a second being generated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dermitt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1442</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Dermitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Blogs canâ€™t replace news gathering."  I totally agree.  Go look at any newsblog and you will see why.  The most they can do is maybe expand the letters to the editors section on the editorial page of a newspaper.  Now people can spend an hour a day reading letters to the editor, instead of the standard five minutes it now takes.  Even the letters to the editor need to be read by an editor.  Real reporting is a lot of work, which is why so few people want to do it.  Blogging is much easier.  If you do it right, you end up with some enemies and others who won't talk to you.  Bloggers seem to try to be pleasing everybody in order to win people over so they will get traffic to their blogs, so the information isn't original but is based on what is popular.  A good newspaper reporter doesn't worry about circulation or distribution.  There is a department for that.  A great newspaper reporter doesn't worry about what is popular or being popular.  They just stick with the facts, like a detective.  A news blogger tries to shape the facts to make the story seem more original than the story was before the blogger chopped it up and turned it into sausage links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Blogs canâ€™t replace news gathering.&#8221;  I totally agree.  Go look at any newsblog and you will see why.  The most they can do is maybe expand the letters to the editors section on the editorial page of a newspaper.  Now people can spend an hour a day reading letters to the editor, instead of the standard five minutes it now takes.  Even the letters to the editor need to be read by an editor.  Real reporting is a lot of work, which is why so few people want to do it.  Blogging is much easier.  If you do it right, you end up with some enemies and others who won&#8217;t talk to you.  Bloggers seem to try to be pleasing everybody in order to win people over so they will get traffic to their blogs, so the information isn&#8217;t original but is based on what is popular.  A good newspaper reporter doesn&#8217;t worry about circulation or distribution.  There is a department for that.  A great newspaper reporter doesn&#8217;t worry about what is popular or being popular.  They just stick with the facts, like a detective.  A news blogger tries to shape the facts to make the story seem more original than the story was before the blogger chopped it up and turned it into sausage links.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to note, I think this post is far too short. [/sarcasm]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to note, I think this post is far too short. [/sarcasm]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Feinman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1434</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Feinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogs can't replace news gathering. Only the big media companies have the resources to do investigative reporting. The fact that this has almost become a lost art in the US does not diminish its importance.

For the present most blogs are commentaries not primary sources. This may make for interesting reading and participation, but doesn't replace the watchdog role that the press has had since the invention of the broadside.

I think the shrinking of the role of news gathering is one of the reasons that scandals like Enron get as large as they do before they are exposed. Where are the reporters digging through government reports or even pending legislation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogs can&#8217;t replace news gathering. Only the big media companies have the resources to do investigative reporting. The fact that this has almost become a lost art in the US does not diminish its importance.</p>
<p>For the present most blogs are commentaries not primary sources. This may make for interesting reading and participation, but doesn&#8217;t replace the watchdog role that the press has had since the invention of the broadside.</p>
<p>I think the shrinking of the role of news gathering is one of the reasons that scandals like Enron get as large as they do before they are exposed. Where are the reporters digging through government reports or even pending legislation?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Pomerantz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Pomerantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that fiction doesnâ€™t seem all that vital these days compared to non-fiction.  I think part of the problem is fiction writers have not, in general, sufficiently embraced the power of digital technology.

People are busy and we all spend more and more time in front of screens.  But fiction, as it is usually written, doesnâ€™t go down well in electronic form.  That doesnâ€™t mean it canâ€™t be, just that not many writers have tried to design stories, from the ground up, to be presented that way.

What would fiction designed for the on-line world be like?  It would almost certainly be serialized.  Presented in very short blocks, each intended to be read in minutes.  It would use story arcs for the long form - that is, self-contained tales, told over weeks or months, with clear jumping on points for new readers.  Individual installments would be available in RSS.

My own efforts along these lines can be found at www.fiddleandburn.com/blog.  Thereâ€™s a vibrant discussion going on about the theory and practice of on-line fiction at www.blogfic.com.  I donâ€™t think I, or any other on-line writer Iâ€™m aware of, has quite gotten it right yet, but weâ€™re trying!

Donâ€™t write fiction off yet.  It just has to join the twenty â€“first century.

Jason Pomerantz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that fiction doesnâ€™t seem all that vital these days compared to non-fiction.  I think part of the problem is fiction writers have not, in general, sufficiently embraced the power of digital technology.</p>
<p>People are busy and we all spend more and more time in front of screens.  But fiction, as it is usually written, doesnâ€™t go down well in electronic form.  That doesnâ€™t mean it canâ€™t be, just that not many writers have tried to design stories, from the ground up, to be presented that way.</p>
<p>What would fiction designed for the on-line world be like?  It would almost certainly be serialized.  Presented in very short blocks, each intended to be read in minutes.  It would use story arcs for the long form - that is, self-contained tales, told over weeks or months, with clear jumping on points for new readers.  Individual installments would be available in RSS.</p>
<p>My own efforts along these lines can be found at <a href="http://www.fiddleandburn.com/blog" rel="nofollow">http://www.fiddleandburn.com/blog</a>.  Thereâ€™s a vibrant discussion going on about the theory and practice of on-line fiction at <a href="http://www.blogfic.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogfic.com</a>.  I donâ€™t think I, or any other on-line writer Iâ€™m aware of, has quite gotten it right yet, but weâ€™re trying!</p>
<p>Donâ€™t write fiction off yet.  It just has to join the twenty â€“first century.</p>
<p>Jason Pomerantz</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1423</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read mostly non-fiction these days (Whole New Mind, Wisdom of Crowds, Lost Art of Listening - current reads). Non-fiction holds sway because it's my education. Entertainment by escape is less important than the entertainment of personal growth. We're all on the roller coaster ride of a new world, and we're all scrambling to find our place in it. We're drinking from the firehose of massive change. Non-fiction helps our orientation; I don't think fiction does. But for this reason I think non-fiction books are more important than ever. I'm reading more, not less, both online and offline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read mostly non-fiction these days (Whole New Mind, Wisdom of Crowds, Lost Art of Listening - current reads). Non-fiction holds sway because it&#8217;s my education. Entertainment by escape is less important than the entertainment of personal growth. We&#8217;re all on the roller coaster ride of a new world, and we&#8217;re all scrambling to find our place in it. We&#8217;re drinking from the firehose of massive change. Non-fiction helps our orientation; I don&#8217;t think fiction does. But for this reason I think non-fiction books are more important than ever. I&#8217;m reading more, not less, both online and offline.</p>
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		<title>By: Tish G</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1422</link>
		<dc:creator>Tish G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before 9/11, more along the time of the end of the 20tht century, The NYTimes had a piece in the book review section on the boom in memoir, and the reason for this being that we were at the end of a century, people were trying to create a record of the end of one era and the beginning of another...

yadda...yadda...yadda...

The irrelevance of  fiction didn't necessarily start at 9/11.  It started with the push of memoir that happened at the end of the 20th century.  As memoir bloomed,  fiction writers began to extrapolate on the old adage of "write what you know"  by making their works more confessional, emotive and therapeutic for the authors.  This has resulted in a boom in fiction that is neither uplifiting nor gratifiying, that focuses on the main character's child abuse or mental illness or familial dysfunction, which most book reviewers are quick to point out as if these are the main selling points to the books.  

Perhaps they are, as the prose in most fiction isn't all that great.

I would rather read the well-crafted real-life story of someone who survived a tough life, a book like "Angela's Ashes," not the re-hashed, insincere fictionalizations of real life that's rolling around in the fiction isles these days--so perhaps I'm a bit in agreement with you, Jeff.  Sadly, there are few that can write like Frank McCourt--even with all the MFA's out there, there is more emphasis on emoting  and exorcising in fiction than on the craft of writing.   Or at least it appears that way from the products that are hitting the shelves.

Perhaps this is the greater appeal of non-fiction.  If fiction is to survive as a literary form, it has to become art again--the craft has to become superior to its current emotive and therapeutic nature.  Yet given, as Rich states about the climate of "infotainment," there's probably going to have to be a cultural shift before the novel becomes central to our culture again.  

I doubt blogs will effect that.  But blogs can work to give us a sense of participation in the medium of infotaiment.  When we vent our own &lt;i&gt;strum und drang&lt;/i&gt; aren't we kind of like "The Bachelorette" or "Survivor"?  Just a thought....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before 9/11, more along the time of the end of the 20tht century, The NYTimes had a piece in the book review section on the boom in memoir, and the reason for this being that we were at the end of a century, people were trying to create a record of the end of one era and the beginning of another&#8230;</p>
<p>yadda&#8230;yadda&#8230;yadda&#8230;</p>
<p>The irrelevance of  fiction didn&#8217;t necessarily start at 9/11.  It started with the push of memoir that happened at the end of the 20th century.  As memoir bloomed,  fiction writers began to extrapolate on the old adage of &#8220;write what you know&#8221;  by making their works more confessional, emotive and therapeutic for the authors.  This has resulted in a boom in fiction that is neither uplifiting nor gratifiying, that focuses on the main character&#8217;s child abuse or mental illness or familial dysfunction, which most book reviewers are quick to point out as if these are the main selling points to the books.  </p>
<p>Perhaps they are, as the prose in most fiction isn&#8217;t all that great.</p>
<p>I would rather read the well-crafted real-life story of someone who survived a tough life, a book like &#8220;Angela&#8217;s Ashes,&#8221; not the re-hashed, insincere fictionalizations of real life that&#8217;s rolling around in the fiction isles these days&#8211;so perhaps I&#8217;m a bit in agreement with you, Jeff.  Sadly, there are few that can write like Frank McCourt&#8211;even with all the MFA&#8217;s out there, there is more emphasis on emoting  and exorcising in fiction than on the craft of writing.   Or at least it appears that way from the products that are hitting the shelves.</p>
<p>Perhaps this is the greater appeal of non-fiction.  If fiction is to survive as a literary form, it has to become art again&#8211;the craft has to become superior to its current emotive and therapeutic nature.  Yet given, as Rich states about the climate of &#8220;infotainment,&#8221; there&#8217;s probably going to have to be a cultural shift before the novel becomes central to our culture again.  </p>
<p>I doubt blogs will effect that.  But blogs can work to give us a sense of participation in the medium of infotaiment.  When we vent our own <i>strum und drang</i> aren&#8217;t we kind of like &#8220;The Bachelorette&#8221; or &#8220;Survivor&#8221;?  Just a thought&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1420</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as fiction and/or movies that haven't dealt with 9/11 in a substantial way, I'd say it has nothing to do with lack of writers tackling the subject matter, but everything to do with chickenshit publishers and producers who are mailing out the "this isn't right for us at this time" rejections slips as we speak. I haven't tackled any of this, so this isn't a case of sour grapes. But I can imagine.

The publishing houses are very simliar to Hollywood (no surprise since they're all owned by the same people) in that they keep pumping out great scads of mass-appeal crappy fiction (which sells quite briskly, thank you), some highly overrated mid-level stuff (Franzen) and, yes, plenty of good stuff. More fiction books are published now than ever. 

Yes, short story space in magazines has all but dried up, but that's a totally different medium. The short story may be close to death, but that's a death that had been going on before the Interwebs came on to the scene.

(Also, if you look at some of the reaction to Jonathan Safran Foer's Extremely Loud  and Incredibly Close, you can see that some reviewers who were in New York at the time of 9/11 feel that "their" 9/11 has been co-opted. Case in point: http://nypress.com/18/15/news&#38;columns/harrysiegel.cfm )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as fiction and/or movies that haven&#8217;t dealt with 9/11 in a substantial way, I&#8217;d say it has nothing to do with lack of writers tackling the subject matter, but everything to do with chickenshit publishers and producers who are mailing out the &#8220;this isn&#8217;t right for us at this time&#8221; rejections slips as we speak. I haven&#8217;t tackled any of this, so this isn&#8217;t a case of sour grapes. But I can imagine.</p>
<p>The publishing houses are very simliar to Hollywood (no surprise since they&#8217;re all owned by the same people) in that they keep pumping out great scads of mass-appeal crappy fiction (which sells quite briskly, thank you), some highly overrated mid-level stuff (Franzen) and, yes, plenty of good stuff. More fiction books are published now than ever. </p>
<p>Yes, short story space in magazines has all but dried up, but that&#8217;s a totally different medium. The short story may be close to death, but that&#8217;s a death that had been going on before the Interwebs came on to the scene.</p>
<p>(Also, if you look at some of the reaction to Jonathan Safran Foer&#8217;s Extremely Loud  and Incredibly Close, you can see that some reviewers who were in New York at the time of 9/11 feel that &#8220;their&#8221; 9/11 has been co-opted. Case in point: <a href="http://nypress.com/18/15/news&amp;columns/harrysiegel.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://nypress.com/18/15/news&amp;columns/harrysiegel.cfm</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: SillyMillie</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1409</link>
		<dc:creator>SillyMillie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for addressing this.   More please.</description>
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		<title>By: barbara reed</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1400</link>
		<dc:creator>barbara reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOT FOR PUBLICATION

Jeff Jarvis, please contact me; I would like you to speak at Rutgers.

barbara reed
732/390-9124</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOT FOR PUBLICATION</p>
<p>Jeff Jarvis, please contact me; I would like you to speak at Rutgers.</p>
<p>barbara reed<br />
732/390-9124</p>
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		<title>By: Dave F</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/08/08/media-no-more/#comment-1399</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Books did not beget authors: they used illuminated manuscripts, cave walls, papyrus and other means to convey their musings in the form of writing; and the oral narrative radition is where authorship comes from. Nor did newspapers etc beget journalists. We had town criers and chroniclers (see above). 

The medium may be the message; it is not the author.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Books did not beget authors: they used illuminated manuscripts, cave walls, papyrus and other means to convey their musings in the form of writing; and the oral narrative radition is where authorship comes from. Nor did newspapers etc beget journalists. We had town criers and chroniclers (see above). </p>
<p>The medium may be the message; it is not the author.</p>
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