My God. This is the reason I don’t like protests (from either side of these war arguments, especially). I am all for people voicing their opinions, but for God’s sake, be mature about it. Be an adult, not some angsty whiner.
Write a letter to the public through major newspapers, write senators and congressmen, write Bush himself, write whoever you like. Create artwork, publish books, sing songs. Do whatever. But don’t slap the faces of those who fought before, no matter the war.
That ship was involved in major wars that should matter to everyone in this country. Even if you’re “all for peace” (remember that next time you cut someone off on the highway!), you should remember that men fought on the USS Iowa for various causes. When you aim to make a “statement” with such a historical object, it is not some antiwar protest; it is more like spitting on our history books.
People really need to learn how to be skillfully argumentative. I’ll agree with Voltaire that I would defend onto death a person’s right to voice their opinions, but I regret that principle of mine when I see such immature methodologies.
Why would SF be sorry that Bush won’t visit? I doubt he’d dare show his face there, and he shouldn’t, he’d be heckled. Bush not welcome in blue states!
If anyone is a whiner about these kinds of things, it is Jeff. Someone could write an article about him and title it either “Swift Book Jeff” or “The Constant Whiner”.
If someone wants to offer San Francisco a ship, why don’t they offer it a ship the city might be willing to accept.
I was on the re-commissioning crew for the U.S.S. Repose AH-16 that spent the Fall of l965 in San Francisco and sailed for Vietnam in January , 1966.
I love San Francisco and am proud of the role the Repose played in Vietnam – including helping injured civilians.
The Repose was scrapped and is no longer available but maybe there is an appropriate sister-ship.
As far as I am concerned, I think the Iowa should go to Iowa where it can be properly venerated.
You know there are two sides to every story … one that you are missing is that the people that wanted this ship in SF wanted the city to pay for all the costs .. also this was a very large Navy town .. until the Navy pulled up stakes and left … they close four major bases in the bay area and the Army closed another one … SF had for decades made the military feel at home … the Pentagon decided that it did not need SF anymore .. and I am sad to say there are still some very hard feelings there ..
They would not be better now … but it was a very painful transition for the work force that had those jobs … a lot of them are still out of work or working for a lot less …
Geezus, jeffo, you’re crediting All Headline News as a credible news source? Do you even bother checking out your “sources”? AHN is pretty much to the right of Talon News as a place filled with clueless, partisan hacks.
Be a real man and speak out against these things instead of relying on far-right-wing Web sites. Next up: jeffo decides those guys at Little Green Footballs really aren’t so wacko after all.
As if Bush would visit even if the Iowa were going to be docked here.
Even some of the more moderate members of the board voted against it for fiscally conservative reasons. The USS Hornet is docked in Oakland and loses money. There is no reason to think the Iowa would be any different.
As Aaron Peksin has pointed out, it was predicted when progressives won a majority on the board, it would be a financial disaster. But the progressive board has been more fiscally conservative than the old board which often cared more about the concerns of the lobbyists who contributed to them than the people of San Francisco.
Jon Carrol did write a column making fun of the decision
Obviously, all or most of the S.F. Supes are very far-left. Those in S.F. who agree with the Supes decision should thank their lucky stars that there were adults around to protect them during WWII.
For an even worse example, see this. It’s a threat to the republic when the state lies about a private citizen, but I don’t expect most people to care too much because they’re afraid of the subject matter.
Gasp evil right wing news organizations are PARTISAN and are therefor untrustworthy, unlike the completely reliable left wing partisan news organizations who always tell the truth even when they lie.
My God. This is the reason I don’t like protests (from either side of these war arguments, especially). I am all for people voicing their opinions, but for God’s sake, be mature about it. Be an adult, not some angsty whiner.
Write a letter to the public through major newspapers, write senators and congressmen, write Bush himself, write whoever you like. Create artwork, publish books, sing songs. Do whatever. But don’t slap the faces of those who fought before, no matter the war.
That ship was involved in major wars that should matter to everyone in this country. Even if you’re “all for peace” (remember that next time you cut someone off on the highway!), you should remember that men fought on the USS Iowa for various causes. When you aim to make a “statement” with such a historical object, it is not some antiwar protest; it is more like spitting on our history books.
People really need to learn how to be skillfully argumentative. I’ll agree with Voltaire that I would defend onto death a person’s right to voice their opinions, but I regret that principle of mine when I see such immature methodologies.
Why would SF be sorry that Bush won’t visit? I doubt he’d dare show his face there, and he shouldn’t, he’d be heckled. Bush not welcome in blue states!
If anyone is a whiner about these kinds of things, it is Jeff. Someone could write an article about him and title it either “Swift Book Jeff” or “The Constant Whiner”.
If someone wants to offer San Francisco a ship, why don’t they offer it a ship the city might be willing to accept.
I was on the re-commissioning crew for the U.S.S. Repose AH-16 that spent the Fall of l965 in San Francisco and sailed for Vietnam in January , 1966.
I love San Francisco and am proud of the role the Repose played in Vietnam – including helping injured civilians.
The Repose was scrapped and is no longer available but maybe there is an appropriate sister-ship.
As far as I am concerned, I think the Iowa should go to Iowa where it can be properly venerated.
You know there are two sides to every story … one that you are missing is that the people that wanted this ship in SF wanted the city to pay for all the costs .. also this was a very large Navy town .. until the Navy pulled up stakes and left … they close four major bases in the bay area and the Army closed another one … SF had for decades made the military feel at home … the Pentagon decided that it did not need SF anymore .. and I am sad to say there are still some very hard feelings there ..
Anybody who thinks that the Presidio or Hunters Point would be better for the City as military bases is clueless about San Francisco.
They would not be better now … but it was a very painful transition for the work force that had those jobs … a lot of them are still out of work or working for a lot less …
“Bush not welcome in blue states!”
That’s the rumor…
Geezus, jeffo, you’re crediting All Headline News as a credible news source? Do you even bother checking out your “sources”? AHN is pretty much to the right of Talon News as a place filled with clueless, partisan hacks.
Be a real man and speak out against these things instead of relying on far-right-wing Web sites. Next up: jeffo decides those guys at Little Green Footballs really aren’t so wacko after all.
As if Bush would visit even if the Iowa were going to be docked here.
Even some of the more moderate members of the board voted against it for fiscally conservative reasons. The USS Hornet is docked in Oakland and loses money. There is no reason to think the Iowa would be any different.
As Aaron Peksin has pointed out, it was predicted when progressives won a majority on the board, it would be a financial disaster. But the progressive board has been more fiscally conservative than the old board which often cared more about the concerns of the lobbyists who contributed to them than the people of San Francisco.
Jon Carrol did write a column making fun of the decision
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/07/15/DDGM7C8HEK1.DTL
and another in response of email which mentioned the fiscal argument, but still saying that it should be docked here
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/07/21/DDGS2DQEP81.DTL
Obviously, all or most of the S.F. Supes are very far-left. Those in S.F. who agree with the Supes decision should thank their lucky stars that there were adults around to protect them during WWII.
For an even worse example, see this. It’s a threat to the republic when the state lies about a private citizen, but I don’t expect most people to care too much because they’re afraid of the subject matter.
Gasp evil right wing news organizations are PARTISAN and are therefor untrustworthy, unlike the completely reliable left wing partisan news organizations who always tell the truth even when they lie.
http://www2.cbs5.com/localwire/localfsnews/bcn/2005/07/12/n/HeadlineNews/SF-SUPERVISORS/resources_bcn_html
I thought hard leftist blue state liberals were supposed to be so tolerant, but I was wrong.
well, AHH took the piece from AP which is the original source.
AP/Boston Globe