I’m agnostic theist myself. Since nothing can be proven, one way or another, I see no need to live my life by interpretations of a really old out-of-date book, written by man, and highly subject to interpretation by man. However, unlike atheists, I lean toward SOME kind of force existing. I just think that, without more evidence, it’s not worth feeling too strongly about any one dogma. I have a sense of morals and everything I need to get by without it, anyway. Just mine. Peace.

Those people who go spouten off on television and have their stupid websites are not truly christians. It is funny how the media focuses only those kinds of people. Why? Because this world thrives on negative publicity. You can’t have news without negative things. If you have news about good and happy things, than one is considered to be an idiot because we do live in a dark and saddened world. More good things happen in this world every day than bad things, but it is the few bad things that get all the attention. The thousands and thousands of GOOD churches that are doing good things by showing the love of Jesus Christ are the churches that are not getting any media, not that they want it. The news is being passed through the body of Christ of the great things that are happening in the south right now because of the hurricane, how souls are being saved and people are changing radically for the good because of this hurricane, yet the media does not and will not follow that news because it would hurt their stories. That is the truth.

So I would incourage you to really think about what you say before you say it. Here is what I do. I RESEARCH a lot. Research out things before you go saying “christians” this and “christians” that. Remember, there are MANY people who claim Jesus but in name only. Just like atheists. There are two kinds of atheists. There are atheists who truly believe that there is no god, and there are atheists who claim the same thing yet believe there is a god because they go to their neighbor time and time asking for pray when something bad happens in their family. When things are going well for them, they mock their christian neighbor. I am telling you from TRUE life situations. Take Care.

Talk about hypocrisy. “I don’t believe in god. Now god, why did you bring on disaster like that?” That is what you atheist sound like. If you don’t believe in a god, why do you say anything at all? Sounds like atheism is a false religion.

This is definitely a tragedy. My heart goes out to those in this crisis. But what about all the good things that happen everyday in this world that are a blessing yet we don’t come out and talk about them. We live in such a negative society, I believe partly because the media only focuses on the negatives of this world when there is so much positive out there. Now, I am Christian, so everyday that I live is a blessing from God. I have been blessed with a good job, a wonderful wife, food on my table, a roof over my head. God allows me to wake up every day and enjoy life, He gives me continual breath, and the list is never ending of things I should praise Him for. I praise and exolt the God of heaven and earth, and He blesses me everyday with the littleist things.

I have suffered from many tragedies and situations in my life, and in the long run, because I never took my eyes off Him, I see now the end results of some of the things and see now why God allowed me to suffer and experience some of the things in my life. It was through those times that God showed His love to me the most (Romans 5:3-5, 1 Peter 4:12-13).

It is my prayer that through this time of trouble for the people of NO, that the love of Jesus Christ is shown through the body of believers in helping all they can. This is a time of need, and may the eyes of millions open their eyes to the one who can meet their needs if they will allow Jesus to. By the way to the one who said that innocent people have died, no one is innocent.

Bill Henry:
‘No, god did not cause this or any other event in the history of the world. ‘Why? There’s NO GOD! Give it up folks! Religion and god BELIEF has caused so much human misery throughout the ages, but humankind refuses to let it go thanks to the false promise of life after death instead of the other way around. Jesus Christ?’

Misery and joy, and let’s face it, a lot of superstition is blamed on God and son - that’s not anything other than egotism on the part of a lot of people who want some one to blame, including those who’d rather dismiss God and son - and I refer you to the preceding message.

A surreal tragedy is just that. We are as responsible ourselves, individually, as any other party - and I really think an adult responsible attitude would be to do what we could to alleviate it. Tomorrow you will have that opportunity.

So then if…

Yeah, you’re way ahead of me

Have a read this little piece about the alleged existence of the alleged miracle performing Jesus: http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/seekingjesus.htm

As for the mention of the ‘messiah’ in the ‘Antiquities of the Jews’ by Josephus’, it is accepted to be an interpolation on a number of grounds. Josephus is hardly likely to call someone a ‘messiah’ of another ‘faith’ and then remain in the Jewish religion for the rest of his life. Unless, of course, he was insane.

The reference was not noted until after 300 CE and by another historical character, Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea (Know as Eusebius the forger in many circles). If the very famous church father, Origin knew of such a phrase, he would have used it to the hilt to gain converts. His extensive writings do not mention it. Some might call this strange. The best explanation is that it did not exist in the body of the text of the ‘Antiquities’, but was later added.

BTW, Eusebius was of the Arian school of thought at the time and did not ‘believe’ in the divinity of the alleged Jesus. Arian thought was that the alleged Jesus was only a product of creation, such as were Eve and Adam. Constantine had those with such ‘heretical’ ideas thrown out of the 2nd council of Nicaea and thus they did not have a chance to vote on the matter. Democracy has never been a strong point of the Catholic Church or any religion, if you think about it.

You might want to talk to the Jewish historian Josephus about where Jesus ever existed, or perhaps Josephus didn’t exist either according to you.

It’s funny that you use the quotes from a supposedly ficticous historical character to back up your claim that said character is really a bad guy, which is kind of funny. Isn’t that like quoting the Easter bunny or Santa Claus?

What’s even more interesting is that, if the early Christians — did they exist — were going to make up a story on Jesus, they sure made it hard for people to follow the guy. And they sure paid a heck of a price with their lives to keep their little false religion alive and well.