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		<title>By: goy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4821</link>
		<dc:creator>goy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 13:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>syn, I think you&#039;ll find that the Monday Morning Rescue Squad do not care one whit about the facts, time, scale, logistics or the legal, Constitutional or other formal standards related to the hierarchical SOP that controls activation of the National Guard, FEMA, etc.

The feds were supposed to take their cues from New Orleans Mayor Nagin, who shredded his own city&#039;s disaster plan and ran for the hills.  They were supposed to transcend the laws of time and physics to send in the cavalry the *instant* that the media started showing the worst of the worst -- state and federal legal procedures be damned.

It&#039;s simple. Aid workers should have ignored the threat of being shot by organized criminal gangs in NO. Truckers should have ignored the dangers of driving over weakened bridges on blocked secondary roads. National Guard should have been parachuted into Jefferson Parish. Helicopter gunships should have bombed the Superdome and Convention Center with Aquafina.

And Nagin should be considered a &quot;hero&quot; because he finally got off his ass and ordered an evacuation 24+ hours AFTER he was REPEATEDLY advised to do so by his betters.  And just never mind that it was Too Effing Late to use the resources he had at his disposal to help the people in his city who needed it most. They were FEMA&#039;s, the National Guard&#039;s and Bush&#039;s responsibility, after all.

In the end, though the heavens fall, we&#039;ll be fed a new meme that the lefty echo chamber in the media will turn into a new &#039;reality&#039;: &quot;Bush denied, poor blacks died&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>syn, I think you&#8217;ll find that the Monday Morning Rescue Squad do not care one whit about the facts, time, scale, logistics or the legal, Constitutional or other formal standards related to the hierarchical SOP that controls activation of the National Guard, FEMA, etc.</p>
<p>The feds were supposed to take their cues from New Orleans Mayor Nagin, who shredded his own city&#8217;s disaster plan and ran for the hills.  They were supposed to transcend the laws of time and physics to send in the cavalry the *instant* that the media started showing the worst of the worst &#8212; state and federal legal procedures be damned.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s simple. Aid workers should have ignored the threat of being shot by organized criminal gangs in NO. Truckers should have ignored the dangers of driving over weakened bridges on blocked secondary roads. National Guard should have been parachuted into Jefferson Parish. Helicopter gunships should have bombed the Superdome and Convention Center with Aquafina.</p>
<p>And Nagin should be considered a &#8220;hero&#8221; because he finally got off his ass and ordered an evacuation 24+ hours AFTER he was REPEATEDLY advised to do so by his betters.  And just never mind that it was Too Effing Late to use the resources he had at his disposal to help the people in his city who needed it most. They were FEMA&#8217;s, the National Guard&#8217;s and Bush&#8217;s responsibility, after all.</p>
<p>In the end, though the heavens fall, we&#8217;ll be fed a new meme that the lefty echo chamber in the media will turn into a new &#8216;reality&#8217;: &#8220;Bush denied, poor blacks died&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: syn</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4813</link>
		<dc:creator>syn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FEMA was not issued authorization by the governor of Louisiana until Wednesday the 31st.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FEMA was not issued authorization by the governor of Louisiana until Wednesday the 31st.</p>
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		<title>By: Grray</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4767</link>
		<dc:creator>Grray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 04:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;m following several threads. Pls excuse that I&#039;m getting a little bit lazy after only 7 hours. Which one of the 411 google hits for &quot;sensing post&quot; is it? None makes sense. Never heard that term. You must be joking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;m following several threads. Pls excuse that I&#8217;m getting a little bit lazy after only 7 hours. Which one of the 411 google hits for &#8220;sensing post&#8221; is it? None makes sense. Never heard that term. You must be joking.</p>
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		<title>By: chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4760</link>
		<dc:creator>chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 04:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grray,

&lt;i&gt;â€˜Sensing postâ€™? Whatâ€™s that?&lt;/i&gt;

You know, there is an easy way for you to answer your question. You don&#039;t have to parade your laziness for all to see and admire. Really. And you have the nerve to bitch about other folks being incompetent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grray,</p>
<p><i>â€˜Sensing postâ€™? Whatâ€™s that?</i></p>
<p>You know, there is an easy way for you to answer your question. You don&#8217;t have to parade your laziness for all to see and admire. Really. And you have the nerve to bitch about other folks being incompetent.</p>
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		<title>By: Grray</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4740</link>
		<dc:creator>Grray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 03:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Sensing post&#039;? What&#039;s that? I remember that Bob guy who claimed to have experience. Strange that his arguments couldn&#039;t survive even basic check-over. Most of the time, I recognize if someone is an specialist when I&#039;m listening to his expertise. Imho, if Bob really is in emergency management, it&#039;s because he was fundraising for Bush in the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Sensing post&#8217;? What&#8217;s that? I remember that Bob guy who claimed to have experience. Strange that his arguments couldn&#8217;t survive even basic check-over. Most of the time, I recognize if someone is an specialist when I&#8217;m listening to his expertise. Imho, if Bob really is in emergency management, it&#8217;s because he was fundraising for Bush in the election.</p>
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		<title>By: chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4725</link>
		<dc:creator>chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 03:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grray, continued...

For instance, I went and looked at the Sensing post. There was no refutation except for one person like yourself who had an opinion, but no understanding. In the same thread there were 44 comments, many from folks with experience. Frankly, a mere political stance is pretty damn worthless in the real world. Cheap, that is. No substitute for knowing how to do things. Expertise takes hard work and experience, not talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grray, continued&#8230;</p>
<p>For instance, I went and looked at the Sensing post. There was no refutation except for one person like yourself who had an opinion, but no understanding. In the same thread there were 44 comments, many from folks with experience. Frankly, a mere political stance is pretty damn worthless in the real world. Cheap, that is. No substitute for knowing how to do things. Expertise takes hard work and experience, not talk.</p>
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		<title>By: chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4717</link>
		<dc:creator>chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 03:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grray,

&lt;i&gt;All those apologists were totally rebuted in the threads.&lt;/i&gt;

Suuure they were. I suspect your opinion would be the same no matter *what* the facts were. Reality based means never having to deal with reality. It&#039;s a fantasy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grray,</p>
<p><i>All those apologists were totally rebuted in the threads.</i></p>
<p>Suuure they were. I suspect your opinion would be the same no matter *what* the facts were. Reality based means never having to deal with reality. It&#8217;s a fantasy.</p>
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		<title>By: Grray</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4713</link>
		<dc:creator>Grray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 03:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>countercolumn? I just read his blog. He&#039;s only citing lame comments if he isn&#039;t taking single sentences out of context alltogether. All those apologists were totally rebuted in the threads. GOP spin and talkingpoints are too weak to stand against the documented truth this time.

&#039;You donâ€™t know whatâ€™s going on nor do you have any experience in dealing with such things.&#039; Maybe. I guess JJ has only as much experience in emergency management as Michael Brown. Luckily, he isn&#039;t playing head of FEMA, but just executing his right of free speech here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>countercolumn? I just read his blog. He&#8217;s only citing lame comments if he isn&#8217;t taking single sentences out of context alltogether. All those apologists were totally rebuted in the threads. GOP spin and talkingpoints are too weak to stand against the documented truth this time.</p>
<p>&#8216;You donâ€™t know whatâ€™s going on nor do you have any experience in dealing with such things.&#8217; Maybe. I guess JJ has only as much experience in emergency management as Michael Brown. Luckily, he isn&#8217;t playing head of FEMA, but just executing his right of free speech here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mumblix Grumph</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4708</link>
		<dc:creator>Mumblix Grumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 02:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish they had used all the hundreds of school busses sitting idle while the mayor practiced his &quot;Get off yer asses&quot; speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish they had used all the hundreds of school busses sitting idle while the mayor practiced his &#8220;Get off yer asses&#8221; speech.</p>
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		<title>By: chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4707</link>
		<dc:creator>chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 02:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, 

You were overreacting. You don&#039;t know what&#039;s going on nor do you have any experience in dealing with such things. All you can do is wonder this, wonder that. Heck, I think my cat can wonder. It&#039;s not much of a talent.

There has been some good discussion out there as to what is involved in such an effort. I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;countercolumn&lt;/a&gt; has had some of the best comments. Note that he is in the Florida National Guard and *has* been involved in hurricanes, most recently &lt;a href=&quot;http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2005/07/stand-down.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hurricane Dennis&lt;/a&gt;. He rants a bit, but he knows what he is talking about. One can learn something reading him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, </p>
<p>You were overreacting. You don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going on nor do you have any experience in dealing with such things. All you can do is wonder this, wonder that. Heck, I think my cat can wonder. It&#8217;s not much of a talent.</p>
<p>There has been some good discussion out there as to what is involved in such an effort. I think <a href="http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">countercolumn</a> has had some of the best comments. Note that he is in the Florida National Guard and *has* been involved in hurricanes, most recently <a href="http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2005/07/stand-down.html" rel="nofollow">hurricane Dennis</a>. He rants a bit, but he knows what he is talking about. One can learn something reading him.</p>
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		<title>By: Grray</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4699</link>
		<dc:creator>Grray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 02:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, maybe that&#039;s the reason why W appointed a lawyer as head of FEMA?

http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/002458.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, maybe that&#8217;s the reason why W appointed a lawyer as head of FEMA?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/002458.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/002458.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JennyD</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4675</link>
		<dc:creator>JennyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh good. Lawyers. You know, they always think a lot about the the good of the many versus the good of the few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh good. Lawyers. You know, they always think a lot about the the good of the many versus the good of the few.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4673</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they should sue FEMA.  The fact remains that they could have gotten in there with supplies on Wednesday at the latest and didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they should sue FEMA.  The fact remains that they could have gotten in there with supplies on Wednesday at the latest and didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: nic</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4663</link>
		<dc:creator>nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can anyone want to sue the city.  It has enough problems already.  People were told to evacuate and did not.  No one told them to stay.  They were warned.  we were all warned that a direct hit to no would be just like this.  I feel horrible for these victims, but they are victims of a natural disaster, no one purposely neglected anyone. Shooting at rescue workers???  Come on.  Raping people, looting for vcrs and dvd&#039;s .  These things were done by sick individuals who made it worse for everyone else.  these are the people who intensified the nightmare of Katrina, not city officials!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can anyone want to sue the city.  It has enough problems already.  People were told to evacuate and did not.  No one told them to stay.  They were warned.  we were all warned that a direct hit to no would be just like this.  I feel horrible for these victims, but they are victims of a natural disaster, no one purposely neglected anyone. Shooting at rescue workers???  Come on.  Raping people, looting for vcrs and dvd&#8217;s .  These things were done by sick individuals who made it worse for everyone else.  these are the people who intensified the nightmare of Katrina, not city officials!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chancy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/03/good-news-but/#comment-4654</link>
		<dc:creator>Chancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I predict more than 5000 dead. What a PR nightmare that would be. But thank God they are out of the Super Dome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict more than 5000 dead. What a PR nightmare that would be. But thank God they are out of the Super Dome.</p>
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