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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Correcting the facts and missing the truth</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7591</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Correcting the facts and missing the truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 04:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Three weeks ago, I linked to Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard&#8217;s outburst on Meet the Press about the mother of a colleague who died, abandoned, in a flooded nursing home. Two weeks later, I said it was my responsibility to link to a correction about details of that story. And now I&#8217;ll link to Tim Russert&#8217;s ambush (David Weinberger&#8217;s quite appropriate word) on Broussard and Brian Oberkirch&#8217;s wise and blunt perspective about all this. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Three weeks ago, I linked to Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard&#8217;s outburst on Meet the Press about the mother of a colleague who died, abandoned, in a flooded nursing home. Two weeks later, I said it was my responsibility to link to a correction about details of that story. And now I&#8217;ll link to Tim Russert&#8217;s ambush (David Weinberger&#8217;s quite appropriate word) on Broussard and Brian Oberkirch&#8217;s wise and blunt perspective about all this. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7322</link>
		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All little kids like to pretend to be something they are not--I know a 3 year old who pretends she&#039;s Dora, the Explorer and another who thinks he is Superman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All little kids like to pretend to be something they are not&#8211;I know a 3 year old who pretends she&#8217;s Dora, the Explorer and another who thinks he is Superman.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Jane Watson</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7251</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Jane Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do apologize for misplacing the r in preposterous, though I imagine you quite understood what I meant.  Typos are so annoying...they give people the baseless opportunity to disregard your point.  Which usually means they can&#039;t argue it.

katwoman, please go to Google and type in define: homoscedastic.  You can blame those horrible mathematicians for fabricating that word.  I cannot take credit.

I certainly love how assumptions are flying around about me.  It&#039;s assumed that I am a writer (Iam not), that I have a job that involves tenure (no), and that I am a liberal (nope).  

Take a good look at my name......I&#039;m a superhero&#039;s girlfriend.

It&#039;s been fun playing with you.  Resume your regularly scheduled pissing matches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do apologize for misplacing the r in preposterous, though I imagine you quite understood what I meant.  Typos are so annoying&#8230;they give people the baseless opportunity to disregard your point.  Which usually means they can&#8217;t argue it.</p>
<p>katwoman, please go to Google and type in define: homoscedastic.  You can blame those horrible mathematicians for fabricating that word.  I cannot take credit.</p>
<p>I certainly love how assumptions are flying around about me.  It&#8217;s assumed that I am a writer (Iam not), that I have a job that involves tenure (no), and that I am a liberal (nope).  </p>
<p>Take a good look at my name&#8230;&#8230;I&#8217;m a superhero&#8217;s girlfriend.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been fun playing with you.  Resume your regularly scheduled pissing matches.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7248</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the most, no THE most important, the FIRST. the ONLY, the number one rule in writing is to connect with your audience.

Mary Jane...you get an F.

Perhaps you&#039;ll connect with a few elitests in their ivory towers of tenure humming how &quot;great we art&quot;, but the folks here, the ones on whose backs America runs, speak a bit differently.  

Kat connects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most, no THE most important, the FIRST. the ONLY, the number one rule in writing is to connect with your audience.</p>
<p>Mary Jane&#8230;you get an F.</p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;ll connect with a few elitests in their ivory towers of tenure humming how &#8220;great we art&#8221;, but the folks here, the ones on whose backs America runs, speak a bit differently.  </p>
<p>Kat connects.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7247</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll say it one last time: Take it outside, people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say it one last time: Take it outside, people.</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7241</link>
		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>{Certainly the suggestion that writing ability is permanently equitable to deception is not only perposturous, but indicative of the terrified mind.}
Perhaps if you are going to use big words, you should learn to spell them.
What is &quot;perposterous&quot;?{ cannot help but wonder if your homoscedastic estimation of events}   And what is &quot;homoscedastic&quot;  You can&#039;t just make up words--but you are a writer, so I guess you can fabricate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{Certainly the suggestion that writing ability is permanently equitable to deception is not only perposturous, but indicative of the terrified mind.}<br />
Perhaps if you are going to use big words, you should learn to spell them.<br />
What is &#8220;perposterous&#8221;?{ cannot help but wonder if your homoscedastic estimation of events}   And what is &#8220;homoscedastic&#8221;  You can&#8217;t just make up words&#8211;but you are a writer, so I guess you can fabricate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7240</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruth: Amen. 
Folks: I gave up on this thread long ago. I&#039;m not reading it anymore. You&#039;re talking to yourrselves. And no one else. Talk issues. If you want to get into pissing matches, go find the nearest schoolyard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruth: Amen.<br />
Folks: I gave up on this thread long ago. I&#8217;m not reading it anymore. You&#8217;re talking to yourrselves. And no one else. Talk issues. If you want to get into pissing matches, go find the nearest schoolyard.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7239</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you certainly would enrich the graciousness of the whole post by eliminating an enclave of comments on your decision making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you certainly would enrich the graciousness of the whole post by eliminating an enclave of comments on your decision making.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7234</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Case in point.  It didn&#039;t take long.  [Obviously I was writing at the same time she was.]

Should kat and Ravo be expected to sit mutely, or respond with patience and kindness to Mary Jane now?  And if they express &#039;anger&#039; in response, will only kat and Ravo&#039;s comments be deleted because they/we aren&#039;t liberals?  *THAT* is the scenario which played out last night.  And those of us who defended kat *also* got deleted.

What&#039;s fair?  What&#039;s just?  Who is to be treated without respect by being *deleted* [on top of it]?

Are a few of us &#039;peeved&#039; as a result?  You bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Case in point.  It didn&#8217;t take long.  [Obviously I was writing at the same time she was.]</p>
<p>Should kat and Ravo be expected to sit mutely, or respond with patience and kindness to Mary Jane now?  And if they express &#8216;anger&#8217; in response, will only kat and Ravo&#8217;s comments be deleted because they/we aren&#8217;t liberals?  *THAT* is the scenario which played out last night.  And those of us who defended kat *also* got deleted.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s fair?  What&#8217;s just?  Who is to be treated without respect by being *deleted* [on top of it]?</p>
<p>Are a few of us &#8216;peeved&#8217; as a result?  You bet.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7225</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 05:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you want us to just move on from this episode, Jeff.  I plan to.  But as a deletee, perhaps these comments will be taken for whatever they&#039;re worth. 

EverKarl, it &#039;would&#039; be hard to comment on posts you didn&#039;t get a chance to read.  There were (give or take 1) 13 deleted posts by 5 commenters, 4 of whom are conservatives.  11 of the deleted posts were written by conservatives.

If only one conservative poster here had objected to what he/she deemed to be unjust treatment regarding another conservative poster, Jeff, would you have merely considered that your treatment was fair and ignored it?  Have you ever been *deleted* by a blog owner as a commenter, Jeff?  I appreciate that comment you left of mine.  That originally was followed by a few/several other deleted comments...which left it directly followed by RightNumberOne&#039;s.  At that point your Enough! sounds reasonable I suppose.......  Editing comments allows bloggers to paint many impressions.  I do *not* suggest you did so by design.  But was it wrong of 4 of us to speak up?  Maybe.  Maybe not.

If commenters here are the recipient of venom, cussing and epithets are they expected to sit mutely in response, or be accepting and kind in return, (only) if they&#039;re of the &#039;wrong&#039; political persuasion?

Obviously there are no easy answers.  Most of us reach a &#039;limit&#039; in response to receiving harsh or insulting invective.  Most of us will speak out about injustice when we see it.  And how we &#039;define&#039; injustice is, imo, what caused a deleted conversation to (not) occur.

Prayers for all who will be affected by Rita.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you want us to just move on from this episode, Jeff.  I plan to.  But as a deletee, perhaps these comments will be taken for whatever they&#8217;re worth. </p>
<p>EverKarl, it &#8216;would&#8217; be hard to comment on posts you didn&#8217;t get a chance to read.  There were (give or take 1) 13 deleted posts by 5 commenters, 4 of whom are conservatives.  11 of the deleted posts were written by conservatives.</p>
<p>If only one conservative poster here had objected to what he/she deemed to be unjust treatment regarding another conservative poster, Jeff, would you have merely considered that your treatment was fair and ignored it?  Have you ever been *deleted* by a blog owner as a commenter, Jeff?  I appreciate that comment you left of mine.  That originally was followed by a few/several other deleted comments&#8230;which left it directly followed by RightNumberOne&#8217;s.  At that point your Enough! sounds reasonable I suppose&#8230;&#8230;.  Editing comments allows bloggers to paint many impressions.  I do *not* suggest you did so by design.  But was it wrong of 4 of us to speak up?  Maybe.  Maybe not.</p>
<p>If commenters here are the recipient of venom, cussing and epithets are they expected to sit mutely in response, or be accepting and kind in return, (only) if they&#8217;re of the &#8216;wrong&#8217; political persuasion?</p>
<p>Obviously there are no easy answers.  Most of us reach a &#8216;limit&#8217; in response to receiving harsh or insulting invective.  Most of us will speak out about injustice when we see it.  And how we &#8216;define&#8217; injustice is, imo, what caused a deleted conversation to (not) occur.</p>
<p>Prayers for all who will be affected by Rita.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Jane Watson</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7224</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Jane Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 05:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I thought that&#039;s the use of literary cliches, to paint a specific picture, albeit a trite and necessarily disingenuous one.

It&#039;s foolhardy to claim that either yourself or katwoman are very practiced thinkers.  Undoubtedly, it appears that you both wed yourselves to a veritable mission appeal and remain stiff impervious to your respective environments.

Certainly the suggestion that writing ability is permanently equitable to deception is not only perposturous, but indicative of the terrified mind.

But if you prefer to link hands and skip in rhythm then far be it from me to dissuade you. But I cannot help but wonder if your homoscedastic estimation of events is obtusely contrived or imminently imposed upon you.  It&#039;s impossible to tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I thought that&#8217;s the use of literary cliches, to paint a specific picture, albeit a trite and necessarily disingenuous one.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s foolhardy to claim that either yourself or katwoman are very practiced thinkers.  Undoubtedly, it appears that you both wed yourselves to a veritable mission appeal and remain stiff impervious to your respective environments.</p>
<p>Certainly the suggestion that writing ability is permanently equitable to deception is not only perposturous, but indicative of the terrified mind.</p>
<p>But if you prefer to link hands and skip in rhythm then far be it from me to dissuade you. But I cannot help but wonder if your homoscedastic estimation of events is obtusely contrived or imminently imposed upon you.  It&#8217;s impossible to tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7218</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 03:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I can tell you donâ€™t write for a living. &lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, Kat hasn&#039;t learned how to mislead yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I can tell you donâ€™t write for a living. </i></p>
<p>Yeah, Kat hasn&#8217;t learned how to mislead yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Jane Watson</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7214</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Jane Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How full of cliches you are, my girl.....&quot;if you had any balls&quot;......&quot;dancing to your drum&quot;....&quot;little more than a shill&quot;....&quot;leftist media&quot;.......&quot;shown your true colors&quot;....&quot;washed away the false veneer&quot;.....

Definitely venemous, but not very clever.  Especially since a veneer, by definition, is false.

I can tell you don&#039;t write for a living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How full of cliches you are, my girl&#8230;..&#8221;if you had any balls&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;dancing to your drum&#8221;&#8230;.&#8221;little more than a shill&#8221;&#8230;.&#8221;leftist media&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;shown your true colors&#8221;&#8230;.&#8221;washed away the false veneer&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Definitely venemous, but not very clever.  Especially since a veneer, by definition, is false.</p>
<p>I can tell you don&#8217;t write for a living.</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7211</link>
		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing as this post is called &quot;CORRECTIONS&quot; , and if you had any balls, you&#039;d need to admit that the only venemous posting was from New Orleans Native.  However, New Orleans was dancing to your drum, so you weren&#039;t about to delete his posts and hurt his little feelings--so you delete a bunch to try make yourself look like a tough guy, when you are little more than a shill for CNN and other leftist media.  Katrina has shown your true colors...all the flooding washed away the false veneer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing as this post is called &#8220;CORRECTIONS&#8221; , and if you had any balls, you&#8217;d need to admit that the only venemous posting was from New Orleans Native.  However, New Orleans was dancing to your drum, so you weren&#8217;t about to delete his posts and hurt his little feelings&#8211;so you delete a bunch to try make yourself look like a tough guy, when you are little more than a shill for CNN and other leftist media.  Katrina has shown your true colors&#8230;all the flooding washed away the false veneer.</p>
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		<title>By: owl 1</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7200</link>
		<dc:creator>owl 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto to EverKarl&#039;s read of JJ&#039;s Katrina.  I agree.  Not a snowball will the TV viewers ever see a segment devoted to undoing the harm of Meet the Press.  It was nice theatre.  The final act of the media&#039;s drama.


DLoye....don&#039;t hold your breath for news.  The media and politicians started this campaign off with race baiting and then the media did their sob story parked in front of the Dome.  The story was 70 miles up the road.  Each day I waited for at least ONE of them to go up there and find out  1)who was stopping the food and water from traveling into the city and 2)who was stopping Baton Rouge from sending down their own school buses.

They never reported the news.  Not one time but we found a lot of emotional finger pointers.  Great theatre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto to EverKarl&#8217;s read of JJ&#8217;s Katrina.  I agree.  Not a snowball will the TV viewers ever see a segment devoted to undoing the harm of Meet the Press.  It was nice theatre.  The final act of the media&#8217;s drama.</p>
<p>DLoye&#8230;.don&#8217;t hold your breath for news.  The media and politicians started this campaign off with race baiting and then the media did their sob story parked in front of the Dome.  The story was 70 miles up the road.  Each day I waited for at least ONE of them to go up there and find out  1)who was stopping the food and water from traveling into the city and 2)who was stopping Baton Rouge from sending down their own school buses.</p>
<p>They never reported the news.  Not one time but we found a lot of emotional finger pointers.  Great theatre.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Grow</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7186</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Grow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link I included is to the Press Ethic blog being run by a graduate class at NYU&#039;s journalism program.  I included a link to your post as evidence of bloggers being willing to admit and fix their mistakes.  Check it out, and feel free to comment.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link I included is to the Press Ethic blog being run by a graduate class at NYU&#8217;s journalism program.  I included a link to your post as evidence of bloggers being willing to admit and fix their mistakes.  Check it out, and feel free to comment.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Burton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7182</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EverKarl - right on for both your comments on this thread. Despite our disagreements, I do see you as a rational person, unlike some on either side of the Great Mythological Divide.

Some of the complaints remind me of the old Borscht Belt joke when someone was asked how they liked their meal - &quot;the food is terrible - and the portions are so small.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EverKarl &#8211; right on for both your comments on this thread. Despite our disagreements, I do see you as a rational person, unlike some on either side of the Great Mythological Divide.</p>
<p>Some of the complaints remind me of the old Borscht Belt joke when someone was asked how they liked their meal &#8211; &#8220;the food is terrible &#8211; and the portions are so small.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: EverKarl</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7171</link>
		<dc:creator>EverKarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to write about particular posts being killed, as I didn&#039;t get a chance to read them.

I will note, however, that JJ generally puts forth a great deal of effort to not have a &quot;side,&quot; in the sense of an ideological or partisan checkbox.

Indeed, the very post we are ostensibly discussing proves the point.  From my perspective, JJ&#039;s earlier Katrina-related posts tended to fall into the category of &quot;There&#039;s-plenty-of-blame-to-go-around-but-I&#039;m-only-going-to-focus-on-FEMA&quot; that you tended to see around the &#039;sphere (Joe Gandelman, anyone?).  

But I think he has moved much more toward recognizing the failures that occurred at the state and local level.  Moreover, his posts also suggest to me that he has come to realize that people looking at the flaws in the media coverage are not doing so to diminish the tragedy, but are at least in part concerned that shoddy media coverage may lead to shoddy public policy and future tragedies.

The folks peeved with Jeff here -- with whom I think it is safe to say I am in general agreement more often than not -- should ask themselves whether &lt;i&gt;Meet The Press&lt;/i&gt; will have a correction on the TV show itself as prominent as JJ made his in his space.  Or whether &lt;i&gt;MTP&lt;/i&gt; or the &lt;i&gt;NBC Nightly News&lt;/i&gt; will do a segment on the degree to which urban legend got repeated as fact in this episode.  

I would be surprised if the answers to those questions were &#039;yes.&quot;  Those issues are being discussed here.  I think it&#039;s easily provable that JJ is far more willing to consider an opposing view and even change his mind than the MSM.  But I have observed that demanding that JJ join a &quot;side&quot; is among the least effective ways of getting him to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to write about particular posts being killed, as I didn&#8217;t get a chance to read them.</p>
<p>I will note, however, that JJ generally puts forth a great deal of effort to not have a &#8220;side,&#8221; in the sense of an ideological or partisan checkbox.</p>
<p>Indeed, the very post we are ostensibly discussing proves the point.  From my perspective, JJ&#8217;s earlier Katrina-related posts tended to fall into the category of &#8220;There&#8217;s-plenty-of-blame-to-go-around-but-I&#8217;m-only-going-to-focus-on-FEMA&#8221; that you tended to see around the &#8217;sphere (Joe Gandelman, anyone?).  </p>
<p>But I think he has moved much more toward recognizing the failures that occurred at the state and local level.  Moreover, his posts also suggest to me that he has come to realize that people looking at the flaws in the media coverage are not doing so to diminish the tragedy, but are at least in part concerned that shoddy media coverage may lead to shoddy public policy and future tragedies.</p>
<p>The folks peeved with Jeff here &#8212; with whom I think it is safe to say I am in general agreement more often than not &#8212; should ask themselves whether <i>Meet The Press</i> will have a correction on the TV show itself as prominent as JJ made his in his space.  Or whether <i>MTP</i> or the <i>NBC Nightly News</i> will do a segment on the degree to which urban legend got repeated as fact in this episode.  </p>
<p>I would be surprised if the answers to those questions were &#8216;yes.&#8221;  Those issues are being discussed here.  I think it&#8217;s easily provable that JJ is far more willing to consider an opposing view and even change his mind than the MSM.  But I have observed that demanding that JJ join a &#8220;side&#8221; is among the least effective ways of getting him to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7169</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough!
I just went in and killed comments using f words and s words and personal attacks and a few more at random just to make you guess why i killed them
I dont have time for this.
You should not either (and you know who I&#039;m talking to on BOTH sides of this juvenile, unproductive, stupid little pissing match). 
Have a substantive discussion. Fine. Get into a mean little fight then take it elsewhere, damnit. I&#039;m fed up with this. And I am not alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough!<br />
I just went in and killed comments using f words and s words and personal attacks and a few more at random just to make you guess why i killed them<br />
I dont have time for this.<br />
You should not either (and you know who I&#8217;m talking to on BOTH sides of this juvenile, unproductive, stupid little pissing match).<br />
Have a substantive discussion. Fine. Get into a mean little fight then take it elsewhere, damnit. I&#8217;m fed up with this. And I am not alone.</p>
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		<title>By: rightnumberone</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7165</link>
		<dc:creator>rightnumberone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eileen,

Thanks again for your comments. I think you&#039;ve hit on one of the major reasons why newspapers who view themselves as &quot;liberal&quot;, such as the NY Times, whose ombudsman came right out and admitted that they are a &quot;liberal newspaper,&quot; are laying off their staff by the hundreds.

It&#039;s pretty obvious that what Jeff wants here is an echo chamber. If anyone disagrees with him, or questions one of his posts, they are to be chastised as comment trolls and post-hijackers, or their comments get moderated or deleted. His intention is that they go away.

He&#039;s no better than the editor at the NY Times who gets to decide which letter gets printed the next day.

I haven&#039;t gone away. I still read this blog. I&#039;ve just stopped rewarding Jeff with traffic, to punish him.

If he posts any more lies, which he did when he latched onto Aaron Broussard&#039;s hoax and headlined it by alleging there was some sort of &quot;cover-up,&quot; I&#039;ll expose them ... but I&#039;ll do it on my own blog, rather than give Jeff the gift of eyeballs that he can then sell to his advertisers and get speaking engagements on CNN and consulting jobs in the MSM.

For Jeff, it seems, i&#039;s all about the Benjaman&#039;s, and his own ego.

The NY Times isn&#039;t the only liberal organ that can have its ass fact-checked. Jeff Jarvis can have his checked too. That&#039;s the beauty of the blogosphere. A simple man, living a simple life, can debunk the powerful, speaking truth to their power, all while sitting at home in his pajamas and not even breaking a sweat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen,</p>
<p>Thanks again for your comments. I think you&#8217;ve hit on one of the major reasons why newspapers who view themselves as &#8220;liberal&#8221;, such as the NY Times, whose ombudsman came right out and admitted that they are a &#8220;liberal newspaper,&#8221; are laying off their staff by the hundreds.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty obvious that what Jeff wants here is an echo chamber. If anyone disagrees with him, or questions one of his posts, they are to be chastised as comment trolls and post-hijackers, or their comments get moderated or deleted. His intention is that they go away.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s no better than the editor at the NY Times who gets to decide which letter gets printed the next day.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t gone away. I still read this blog. I&#8217;ve just stopped rewarding Jeff with traffic, to punish him.</p>
<p>If he posts any more lies, which he did when he latched onto Aaron Broussard&#8217;s hoax and headlined it by alleging there was some sort of &#8220;cover-up,&#8221; I&#8217;ll expose them &#8230; but I&#8217;ll do it on my own blog, rather than give Jeff the gift of eyeballs that he can then sell to his advertisers and get speaking engagements on CNN and consulting jobs in the MSM.</p>
<p>For Jeff, it seems, i&#8217;s all about the Benjaman&#8217;s, and his own ego.</p>
<p>The NY Times isn&#8217;t the only liberal organ that can have its ass fact-checked. Jeff Jarvis can have his checked too. That&#8217;s the beauty of the blogosphere. A simple man, living a simple life, can debunk the powerful, speaking truth to their power, all while sitting at home in his pajamas and not even breaking a sweat.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7160</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link to above article:

http://chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=16900

Boy, I miss preview</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link to above article:</p>
<p><a href="http://chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=16900" rel="nofollow">http://chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=16900</a></p>
<p>Boy, I miss preview</p>
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		<title>By: Ravo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7159</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The mainstream media sells stories based on the worst-case scenario, and projecting and predicting doom and gloom in order to make a fast buck, regardless of the facts.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

And now, thanks to the non-governing of the government of one moronic state, fed powers are to be enlarged.  Will be disappointed in Bush if he doesn&#039;t limit it to the first few days of a disaster only.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Giving the federal government the power to declare martial law over a state by decree, without asking the consent of the stateâ€™s governor, would be a betrayal of much of the freedom for which our forefathers fought&quot;.&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Now weâ€™ve come to a point where weâ€™re actually considering whether to cede state control to a vastly more powerful central government than our founders could have envisioned.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

Then again, they could not have envisioned anything like the elected officials of NO and LA trying to run things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The mainstream media sells stories based on the worst-case scenario, and projecting and predicting doom and gloom in order to make a fast buck, regardless of the facts.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>And now, thanks to the non-governing of the government of one moronic state, fed powers are to be enlarged.  Will be disappointed in Bush if he doesn&#8217;t limit it to the first few days of a disaster only.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Giving the federal government the power to declare martial law over a state by decree, without asking the consent of the stateâ€™s governor, would be a betrayal of much of the freedom for which our forefathers fought&#8221;.</i> </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Now weâ€™ve come to a point where weâ€™re actually considering whether to cede state control to a vastly more powerful central government than our founders could have envisioned.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>Then again, they could not have envisioned anything like the elected officials of NO and LA trying to run things.</p>
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		<title>By: marym</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7157</link>
		<dc:creator>marym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t seem like at all a bad idea, if some one wants to express a particular viewpoint, that instead of constantly posting it on other people&#039;s  blogs, they start up their own and ask people who want to hear from them that they come to their own blog to do so on their own nickle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem like at all a bad idea, if some one wants to express a particular viewpoint, that instead of constantly posting it on other people&#8217;s  blogs, they start up their own and ask people who want to hear from them that they come to their own blog to do so on their own nickle.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7144</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One *could* conclude that only &#039;the left&#039; is allowed to be abusive to their rightie counterparts around here.  This is particularly evident vis a vis Katrina commentary.

I say this after observing at least three episodes of clamping down on the conservatives who comment here in the last three weeks, either through chastising them to the point that they permanently leave (RightNumberOne) or killing their comments.  I see the numbers of posters here dwindling all &#039;round.

FREE SPEECH FOR ONLY THE LEFT!  Yay?  That would be the way of the dinosaur MSM, Jeff.  Are you better than them or just part &#039;n parcel?

It is your home, Jeff.  With all due respect, the way in which you are monitoring your site suggests to me that you don&#039;t much &#039;care&#039; about the conservatives who breathe such life here.  For example, I guess you missed the fact that kat was the commenter who blew up the Broussard lie a few days ago, citing authority for it - right here.  I guess you needed MSNBC to tell you instead of some &#039;citizen journalist&#039; like kat, whose comment  you instead &#039;killed&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One *could* conclude that only &#8216;the left&#8217; is allowed to be abusive to their rightie counterparts around here.  This is particularly evident vis a vis Katrina commentary.</p>
<p>I say this after observing at least three episodes of clamping down on the conservatives who comment here in the last three weeks, either through chastising them to the point that they permanently leave (RightNumberOne) or killing their comments.  I see the numbers of posters here dwindling all &#8217;round.</p>
<p>FREE SPEECH FOR ONLY THE LEFT!  Yay?  That would be the way of the dinosaur MSM, Jeff.  Are you better than them or just part &#8216;n parcel?</p>
<p>It is your home, Jeff.  With all due respect, the way in which you are monitoring your site suggests to me that you don&#8217;t much &#8216;care&#8217; about the conservatives who breathe such life here.  For example, I guess you missed the fact that kat was the commenter who blew up the Broussard lie a few days ago, citing authority for it &#8211; right here.  I guess you needed MSNBC to tell you instead of some &#8216;citizen journalist&#8217; like kat, whose comment  you instead &#8216;killed&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravo WHAT?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/corrections/#comment-7134</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravo WHAT?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 04:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ravo,  Stop with the right-wing agenda.  And asking if any group can be more liberal than AOL subscribers is ludicrous at best:  Those polls always go to the right...  WAY to the right, in fact.   I can&#039;t believe I just skimmed through so many of these comments.  You&#039;re all just arguing right vs. left and disguising it as concern for the hurricane victims.  You should ALL be ashamed of yourselves.  (Write whatever childish agenda-laden responses you want.  I&#039;m not coming back to read any of it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ravo,  Stop with the right-wing agenda.  And asking if any group can be more liberal than AOL subscribers is ludicrous at best:  Those polls always go to the right&#8230;  WAY to the right, in fact.   I can&#8217;t believe I just skimmed through so many of these comments.  You&#8217;re all just arguing right vs. left and disguising it as concern for the hurricane victims.  You should ALL be ashamed of yourselves.  (Write whatever childish agenda-laden responses you want.  I&#8217;m not coming back to read any of it.)</p>
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