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	<title>Comments on: Misery loves company - OR - Safety in numbers</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Leroy Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/misery-loves-company-or-safety-in-numbers/#comment-105287</link>
		<dc:creator>Leroy Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 05:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay Sheenqa, I think you are a republican!!!

But you do make a good point.  I think its about uneducated people. Look at people that come here from Africa, with far less then what we have to grow up in, they come over here and far suppass us in Education.  All we do is blame government and each other.  I can tell you speak well from reading the way you type, your doing well educating yourself, Why are you educating yourself ? GED ?  I hope you get off of welfare.  What cruise ship were you on ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay Sheenqa, I think you are a republican!!!</p>
<p>But you do make a good point.  I think its about uneducated people. Look at people that come here from Africa, with far less then what we have to grow up in, they come over here and far suppass us in Education.  All we do is blame government and each other.  I can tell you speak well from reading the way you type, your doing well educating yourself, Why are you educating yourself ? GED ?  I hope you get off of welfare.  What cruise ship were you on ?</p>
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		<title>By: Sheeneqa</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/misery-loves-company-or-safety-in-numbers/#comment-105276</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheeneqa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 05:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a black woman with 3 kids on Welfare. I did not have a way to leave New Orleans when Katrina came. I don't fault anyone. Through education and I have learned from personal experience and from being on welfare that you can't rely on Government to do everything. I saw the news and I heard the warnings to leave. I couldn't for different reasons, but if people wanted to leave they had time to move north. Too many people want the Government to do everything for them. What did they think ? The governement was going to teleport them to the Star Ship Enterprise ????  And then those of us, me and my kids that got to get on a cruise ship had to deal with the crime of ignorate people on the ship.  Katrina isn't about white or black, Republican or Democrate.  The problem is uneducated people who hear from people Bush is bad and to blame bush so they do. I dont like bush or any of his things, but what did he have to do with Katrina. 
I have been teach myself to further my education,  that is the issue here ! Uneducated people who want a hand out. Well I hope people wake up, esp my people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a black woman with 3 kids on Welfare. I did not have a way to leave New Orleans when Katrina came. I don&#8217;t fault anyone. Through education and I have learned from personal experience and from being on welfare that you can&#8217;t rely on Government to do everything. I saw the news and I heard the warnings to leave. I couldn&#8217;t for different reasons, but if people wanted to leave they had time to move north. Too many people want the Government to do everything for them. What did they think ? The governement was going to teleport them to the Star Ship Enterprise ????  And then those of us, me and my kids that got to get on a cruise ship had to deal with the crime of ignorate people on the ship.  Katrina isn&#8217;t about white or black, Republican or Democrate.  The problem is uneducated people who hear from people Bush is bad and to blame bush so they do. I dont like bush or any of his things, but what did he have to do with Katrina.<br />
I have been teach myself to further my education,  that is the issue here ! Uneducated people who want a hand out. Well I hope people wake up, esp my people.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 05:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, UPDATE.  The fact that Haliburton et al are going to bobble up most of the federal aid from Katrina, while still under investigation, makes me ill.  How can we see that Congress doesn't allow this corruption to go on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, UPDATE.  The fact that Haliburton et al are going to bobble up most of the federal aid from Katrina, while still under investigation, makes me ill.  How can we see that Congress doesn&#8217;t allow this corruption to go on?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Penny,

So, President Eisenhower gets to send federal troops where he wants and President Bush doesn't? What law changed in between?

I was setting up and running the &lt;a href="http://havecoffeewillwrite.com/?p=873" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;b&gt;emergency community computer center&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; here in Cleveland where we helped refugees file FEMA requests and locate lost family members. How about you?

B'shalom,

Jeff Hess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Penny,</p>
<p>So, President Eisenhower gets to send federal troops where he wants and President Bush doesn&#8217;t? What law changed in between?</p>
<p>I was setting up and running the <a href="http://havecoffeewillwrite.com/?p=873" rel="nofollow"><b>emergency community computer center</b></a> here in Cleveland where we helped refugees file FEMA requests and locate lost family members. How about you?</p>
<p>B&#8217;shalom,</p>
<p>Jeff Hess</p>
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		<title>By: EverKarl</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/misery-loves-company-or-safety-in-numbers/#comment-7084</link>
		<dc:creator>EverKarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Faubus (and later, Wallace)

The federalization of the National Guard in those cases seems justified under the Insurrection Act.  The White House considered it in this case, but concluded that both that the looting in N.O. did not constitute insurrection and that claiming it was would set a dangerous precedent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Faubus (and later, Wallace)</p>
<p>The federalization of the National Guard in those cases seems justified under the Insurrection Act.  The White House considered it in this case, but concluded that both that the looting in N.O. did not constitute insurrection and that claiming it was would set a dangerous precedent.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The case of 101st Airborne and Central High in Little Rock, Arkansas is perhaps a good case in point. I donâ€™t think Governor Orval Faubus called President Dwight Eisenhower and asked for those troops. Do you?&lt;/i&gt;

Get real.  Your bogus analogy isn't even close in a historical context. Sending troops into Little Rock to enforce Congressional civil rights legislation(and lest we forget, by a Republican president) and offering hurricane assistance via the National Guard have no symmetry.

Blanco declined the offer.  End of story.


Should all Americans on vacation in other parts of the country have cancelled their vacation in the wake of the hurricane?  Maybe it hasn't occured to you but Presidents can't really vacation like the rest of us.  The job travels with them.  

By the way, what were you doing in the wake of the hurricane?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The case of 101st Airborne and Central High in Little Rock, Arkansas is perhaps a good case in point. I donâ€™t think Governor Orval Faubus called President Dwight Eisenhower and asked for those troops. Do you?</i></p>
<p>Get real.  Your bogus analogy isn&#8217;t even close in a historical context. Sending troops into Little Rock to enforce Congressional civil rights legislation(and lest we forget, by a Republican president) and offering hurricane assistance via the National Guard have no symmetry.</p>
<p>Blanco declined the offer.  End of story.</p>
<p>Should all Americans on vacation in other parts of the country have cancelled their vacation in the wake of the hurricane?  Maybe it hasn&#8217;t occured to you but Presidents can&#8217;t really vacation like the rest of us.  The job travels with them.  </p>
<p>By the way, what were you doing in the wake of the hurricane?</p>
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		<title>By: TDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Update: think of it this way, had this happened in Boston and it was flooded exactly the same way, would Republicans pass an initiative that would allow Bush crony led companies to repeal paying below â€œPrevailing Wagesâ€ to rebuild Boston. Bush wants his buddies to profit by not paying what would be potentially a large African American population â€œPrevailing Wagesâ€ to rebuild. Also, something tells me, Bostonites would have gotten bigger checks to rebuild. Mayor Nagin, Senator Landrieu, Everyone . . . prevent this from passing by echoing it around. This is huge. Stay on this. Paying prevailing wages and providing opportunities for African-American families to lead the rebuild effort is critical."

OK -- to preface, I am a regular reader of think progress.org, and most people consider me a liberal, primarily because I think Bush is incompetent and has been a leader who acts solely for political gain.  That being said.  If he were acting for future political benefit, wouldn't he OVERPAY the large African American population of New Orleans to rebuild?  Seems to me this is an easy way to gain quick political points.  If the Republicans could gain any inroads at all in the African American voting bloc, they stand a huge chance of winning in 2006 and beyond.   Not adhering to Davis-Bacon is political suicide for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Update: think of it this way, had this happened in Boston and it was flooded exactly the same way, would Republicans pass an initiative that would allow Bush crony led companies to repeal paying below â€œPrevailing Wagesâ€ to rebuild Boston. Bush wants his buddies to profit by not paying what would be potentially a large African American population â€œPrevailing Wagesâ€ to rebuild. Also, something tells me, Bostonites would have gotten bigger checks to rebuild. Mayor Nagin, Senator Landrieu, Everyone . . . prevent this from passing by echoing it around. This is huge. Stay on this. Paying prevailing wages and providing opportunities for African-American families to lead the rebuild effort is critical.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK &#8212; to preface, I am a regular reader of think progress.org, and most people consider me a liberal, primarily because I think Bush is incompetent and has been a leader who acts solely for political gain.  That being said.  If he were acting for future political benefit, wouldn&#8217;t he OVERPAY the large African American population of New Orleans to rebuild?  Seems to me this is an easy way to gain quick political points.  If the Republicans could gain any inroads at all in the African American voting bloc, they stand a huge chance of winning in 2006 and beyond.   Not adhering to Davis-Bacon is political suicide for them.</p>
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		<title>By: TDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I volunteered at the Houston Astrodome and at Reliant Center, the convention center next door, for six days following Katrina.  While this story can only be verified through the victims I spoke to there, two of them, on separate days in separate buildings, told me that while in the Superdome, there was a rape of a minor (one person said she was seven, the other claimed her to be a teenager).  Both of them said the assailant was beaten until unconscious and turned over to the National Guard, who proceeded to throw the man off of a bridge to his death.  Understand I am not criticizing the citizens who apprehended the man, or the National Guard.  Personally, I hope this story is true, as I find these monsters' actions reprehensible in every way.  My point is solely that there are stories that may be ignored by the media simply because they feel the general public could not take it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I volunteered at the Houston Astrodome and at Reliant Center, the convention center next door, for six days following Katrina.  While this story can only be verified through the victims I spoke to there, two of them, on separate days in separate buildings, told me that while in the Superdome, there was a rape of a minor (one person said she was seven, the other claimed her to be a teenager).  Both of them said the assailant was beaten until unconscious and turned over to the National Guard, who proceeded to throw the man off of a bridge to his death.  Understand I am not criticizing the citizens who apprehended the man, or the National Guard.  Personally, I hope this story is true, as I find these monsters&#8217; actions reprehensible in every way.  My point is solely that there are stories that may be ignored by the media simply because they feel the general public could not take it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Penny,

Federal troops can go where ever the President sends them. The case of 101st Airborne and Central High in Little Rock, Arkansas is perhaps a good case in point. I don't think Governor Orval Faubus called President Dwight Eisenhower and asked for those troops. Do you?

President Bush rode his mountain bike, cut cake, strummed his guitar and continued his record-breaking vacation while his fellow Americans died in the wake of Hurrican Katrina. A leader would have acted. President Bush didn't.

B'shalom,

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Penny,</p>
<p>Federal troops can go where ever the President sends them. The case of 101st Airborne and Central High in Little Rock, Arkansas is perhaps a good case in point. I don&#8217;t think Governor Orval Faubus called President Dwight Eisenhower and asked for those troops. Do you?</p>
<p>President Bush rode his mountain bike, cut cake, strummed his guitar and continued his record-breaking vacation while his fellow Americans died in the wake of Hurrican Katrina. A leader would have acted. President Bush didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>B&#8217;shalom,</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Ravo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One by one the purposeful misinterpretations by liberals will come back over the next years to bite the Democrats in the arse. As things come to light, and they will, they'll find they've driven the final nail in their coffin when it comes to the people trusting them.

ABC News producers probably didn't hear what they expected when they sent Dean Reynolds to the Houston Astrodome's parking lot to get reaction to President Bush's speech from black evacuees from New Orleans:
http://newsbusters.org/node/1201



...and a story from a commenter...
&lt;i&gt;When my hometown in the Dakotas was destroyed by a flood and subsequent flood related fire in 1997, virtually everyone in the town evacuated themselves to shelter in virtually no time at all.  No one waited for a government sponsored bus to come by and pick them up.  If they were poor and did not have a functioning car, they walked/ waded the ten or so miles to get beyond the flood line and higher ground, carrying what they though they needed through water that still contained ice floes.

The mayor, through the governor coordinated for a consolidated shelter to house the people at a series of large hangers at an airbase 12 miles beyond the safety line.  By and large, people made it there on their own.

THe people who refused to evacuate and were later rescued by the police (WHo stayed on the job and did not rush to loot the stores) were repeatedly asked why they did not evacuate earlier like the smart people simply by walking by the others at the shelter who had done so.  THe usual blank stares were priceless.

The exception to this were several nursing homes, who were evacuated by the city government when the dikes began to fail.  There were zero casualties, even from a nursing home immediately below the dike because local officials went to work and did not worry about the credit, or who was responsible.

As planned, FEMA arrived five days later, but had little to really do since the mayor and Governor were on the job doing what was necessary.

If I hear any more shining about how the feds let these guys down, I am gonna scream.  

Was it laziness that prevented the New Orleans populace from walking out on their own, or a total dependance on the government to do it all for them?

Sucking on that Federal Government Teat will kill you everytime...&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One by one the purposeful misinterpretations by liberals will come back over the next years to bite the Democrats in the arse. As things come to light, and they will, they&#8217;ll find they&#8217;ve driven the final nail in their coffin when it comes to the people trusting them.</p>
<p>ABC News producers probably didn&#8217;t hear what they expected when they sent Dean Reynolds to the Houston Astrodome&#8217;s parking lot to get reaction to President Bush&#8217;s speech from black evacuees from New Orleans:<br />
<a href="http://newsbusters.org/node/1201" rel="nofollow">http://newsbusters.org/node/1201</a></p>
<p>&#8230;and a story from a commenter&#8230;<br />
<i>When my hometown in the Dakotas was destroyed by a flood and subsequent flood related fire in 1997, virtually everyone in the town evacuated themselves to shelter in virtually no time at all.  No one waited for a government sponsored bus to come by and pick them up.  If they were poor and did not have a functioning car, they walked/ waded the ten or so miles to get beyond the flood line and higher ground, carrying what they though they needed through water that still contained ice floes.</p>
<p>The mayor, through the governor coordinated for a consolidated shelter to house the people at a series of large hangers at an airbase 12 miles beyond the safety line.  By and large, people made it there on their own.</p>
<p>THe people who refused to evacuate and were later rescued by the police (WHo stayed on the job and did not rush to loot the stores) were repeatedly asked why they did not evacuate earlier like the smart people simply by walking by the others at the shelter who had done so.  THe usual blank stares were priceless.</p>
<p>The exception to this were several nursing homes, who were evacuated by the city government when the dikes began to fail.  There were zero casualties, even from a nursing home immediately below the dike because local officials went to work and did not worry about the credit, or who was responsible.</p>
<p>As planned, FEMA arrived five days later, but had little to really do since the mayor and Governor were on the job doing what was necessary.</p>
<p>If I hear any more shining about how the feds let these guys down, I am gonna scream.  </p>
<p>Was it laziness that prevented the New Orleans populace from walking out on their own, or a total dependance on the government to do it all for them?</p>
<p>Sucking on that Federal Government Teat will kill you everytime&#8230;</i></p>
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		<title>By: freddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some pro-Bush guy in trying to mock the Dems--gosh, what happened in nearby GOP state, without levee problems and above water level is doing just fine...simply ask those that used to live there...but as for the busses: how many bus drivers do you think left with their families or got caught up in some way and thus never got to drive busses?

I do not fault Bush. After all, he appointed the head of Homeland Security, and if you read the mission statement of that august group, in the first paragraph you will note tfhat in addition to acts of terror, they are also responsible for Acts of Nature that cause major problems...

If you excuse just about everything that the feds did not do promptly, you still have to ask: where the hell was the leader of the country when he ought to have been if not present at least on national tv...just what is a leader's role in such disasters? If not sure, ask Rudy, also in GOP...he knew what his role was in 9/11 and was present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some pro-Bush guy in trying to mock the Dems&#8211;gosh, what happened in nearby GOP state, without levee problems and above water level is doing just fine&#8230;simply ask those that used to live there&#8230;but as for the busses: how many bus drivers do you think left with their families or got caught up in some way and thus never got to drive busses?</p>
<p>I do not fault Bush. After all, he appointed the head of Homeland Security, and if you read the mission statement of that august group, in the first paragraph you will note tfhat in addition to acts of terror, they are also responsible for Acts of Nature that cause major problems&#8230;</p>
<p>If you excuse just about everything that the feds did not do promptly, you still have to ask: where the hell was the leader of the country when he ought to have been if not present at least on national tv&#8230;just what is a leader&#8217;s role in such disasters? If not sure, ask Rudy, also in GOP&#8230;he knew what his role was in 9/11 and was present.</p>
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		<title>By: EverKarl</title>
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		<dc:creator>EverKarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the payment of "prevailing wages:"

As the &lt;i&gt;Wasington Post&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/09/AR2005090901867.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;recently reported:&lt;/a&gt;

"The 1931 Davis-Bacon Act was passed, in part, by segregationists hoping to stem the tide of blacks into the cities, but since then the law has been cherished by labor unions -- and despised by many Republicans."

Not to mention the &lt;a href="http://www.nationalbcc.org/pf.asp?id=1321&#38;category_id=&#38;scope=issues" rel="nofollow"&gt;National Black Chamber of Commerce.&lt;/a&gt;

On balance, Davis-Bacon benefits organized labor to the detriment of non-union labor.  While folks may disagree over whether that's a good thing, we should not pretend that the non-union workforce that is &lt;i&gt;de facto&lt;/i&gt; shut out by D-B is a bunch of white guys.  Rather, it remains (as was the case in '31) a predominantly poor minority population.  Imposing D-B here would not result in the employment of those poor minorities; rather, it would encourage the hiring of union labor that is, on balance, wealthier and whiter.  It's been &lt;a href="http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&#38;artnum=2&#38;issue=20050912" rel="nofollow"&gt;a problem from the building of the Hoover Dam through attempts to hire public housing residents for urban renewal projects.&lt;/a&gt;  It's a big enough problem that &lt;a href="http://tigger.uic.edu/~schorsch/php/stupapp4.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;whole programs have been developed simply to try to reduce these bad effects on the employment of poor minorities in our major cities.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the payment of &#8220;prevailing wages:&#8221;</p>
<p>As the <i>Wasington Post</i> <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/09/AR2005090901867.html" rel="nofollow">recently reported:</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The 1931 Davis-Bacon Act was passed, in part, by segregationists hoping to stem the tide of blacks into the cities, but since then the law has been cherished by labor unions &#8212; and despised by many Republicans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not to mention the <a href="http://www.nationalbcc.org/pf.asp?id=1321&amp;category_id=&amp;scope=issues" rel="nofollow">National Black Chamber of Commerce.</a></p>
<p>On balance, Davis-Bacon benefits organized labor to the detriment of non-union labor.  While folks may disagree over whether that&#8217;s a good thing, we should not pretend that the non-union workforce that is <i>de facto</i> shut out by D-B is a bunch of white guys.  Rather, it remains (as was the case in &#8216;31) a predominantly poor minority population.  Imposing D-B here would not result in the employment of those poor minorities; rather, it would encourage the hiring of union labor that is, on balance, wealthier and whiter.  It&#8217;s been <a href="http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&amp;artnum=2&amp;issue=20050912" rel="nofollow">a problem from the building of the Hoover Dam through attempts to hire public housing residents for urban renewal projects.</a>  It&#8217;s a big enough problem that <a href="http://tigger.uic.edu/~schorsch/php/stupapp4.html" rel="nofollow">whole programs have been developed simply to try to reduce these bad effects on the employment of poor minorities in our major cities.</a></p>
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		<title>By: King Bastard</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/misery-loves-company-or-safety-in-numbers/#comment-6989</link>
		<dc:creator>King Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if you're part of the media, can I blame you personally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if you&#8217;re part of the media, can I blame you personally?</p>
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		<title>By: Marina Architect</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/misery-loves-company-or-safety-in-numbers/#comment-6982</link>
		<dc:creator>Marina Architect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: think of it this way, had this happened in Boston and it was flooded exactly the same way, would Republicans pass an initiative that would allow Bush crony led companies to repeal paying below "Prevailing Wages" to rebuild Boston. Bush wants his buddies to profit by not paying what would be potentially a large African American population "Prevailing Wages" to rebuild. Also, something tells me, Bostonites would have gotten bigger checks to rebuild. Mayor Nagin, Senator Landrieu, Everyone . . . prevent this from passing by echoing it around. This is huge. Stay on this. Paying prevailing wages and providing opportunities for African-American families to lead the rebuild effort is critical. 

Take a look at http://thinkprogress.org/ for some good coverage of what's really happening behind the clean shaven facade of white guys running wild with our money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: think of it this way, had this happened in Boston and it was flooded exactly the same way, would Republicans pass an initiative that would allow Bush crony led companies to repeal paying below &#8220;Prevailing Wages&#8221; to rebuild Boston. Bush wants his buddies to profit by not paying what would be potentially a large African American population &#8220;Prevailing Wages&#8221; to rebuild. Also, something tells me, Bostonites would have gotten bigger checks to rebuild. Mayor Nagin, Senator Landrieu, Everyone . . . prevent this from passing by echoing it around. This is huge. Stay on this. Paying prevailing wages and providing opportunities for African-American families to lead the rebuild effort is critical. </p>
<p>Take a look at <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/</a> for some good coverage of what&#8217;s really happening behind the clean shaven facade of white guys running wild with our money.</p>
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		<title>By: Marina Architect</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/misery-loves-company-or-safety-in-numbers/#comment-6979</link>
		<dc:creator>Marina Architect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've struggled with this dillema since 9/11. How media coverage relates to sympathy and consequence. An entitlement arises from media covered tragedies, while everyday tragedies remain hidden and a in a way a modality reflecting weakness. If you are a victim of 9/11 and Katrina, you receive wide support and a check for X dollars, while if your loved one was killed in a robbery or car accident or whatever, you receive a bill asking for money. 

How can we can change this gross injustice to include a wider fund for wider purpose. So many problems, so few leaders . . . so little integrity . . . Is everyone on the payroll of big pharma or some other special interest. Even Teachers in California have become a special interest in disguise. What's wrong with modifying tenure requirements, no one else has job security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve struggled with this dillema since 9/11. How media coverage relates to sympathy and consequence. An entitlement arises from media covered tragedies, while everyday tragedies remain hidden and a in a way a modality reflecting weakness. If you are a victim of 9/11 and Katrina, you receive wide support and a check for X dollars, while if your loved one was killed in a robbery or car accident or whatever, you receive a bill asking for money. </p>
<p>How can we can change this gross injustice to include a wider fund for wider purpose. So many problems, so few leaders . . . so little integrity . . . Is everyone on the payroll of big pharma or some other special interest. Even Teachers in California have become a special interest in disguise. What&#8217;s wrong with modifying tenure requirements, no one else has job security.</p>
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		<title>By: EverKarl</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/misery-loves-company-or-safety-in-numbers/#comment-6976</link>
		<dc:creator>EverKarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not going to wade deeply into this again other than to say that: (a) Jeff is right in the sense that all lives are valuable; and (b) I think Jeff is still missing the point that one can agree with (a), yet still be concerned that the media's coverage was so unquestioning of some of the rumors and estimates that were thrown around early on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to wade deeply into this again other than to say that: (a) Jeff is right in the sense that all lives are valuable; and (b) I think Jeff is still missing the point that one can agree with (a), yet still be concerned that the media&#8217;s coverage was so unquestioning of some of the rumors and estimates that were thrown around early on.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/misery-loves-company-or-safety-in-numbers/#comment-6975</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bush would have had to predetermine that Nagin and Blanco were inept fools BEFORE the storm&lt;/i&gt;..........

And after. 

Mayor Nagin's call to return to New Orlens flies against all good judgement with 911 numbers not working and hurricane Rita entering the Gulf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bush would have had to predetermine that Nagin and Blanco were inept fools BEFORE the storm</i>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>And after. </p>
<p>Mayor Nagin&#8217;s call to return to New Orlens flies against all good judgement with 911 numbers not working and hurricane Rita entering the Gulf.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, the point of Posse Comitatus is that Federal troops can not enter a state without the governor's permission.  Blanco  postponed the National Guard offer to her detriment and that of her constituents.

&lt;i&gt;Four years and billions of dollars later we now have to ask, was any of that time and money spent wisely?&lt;/i&gt;

Is anyone ever totally prepared for catastrophe?  Pose that question to anyone regarding their personal life?  Cancer? Stroke? Car accident? Unemployment?  Theft?  

It's fascinating that so many people hold the government responsible for their protection and are inadequately prepared themselves. 

The bottomline is that there are limits to how far government can protect and assist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, the point of Posse Comitatus is that Federal troops can not enter a state without the governor&#8217;s permission.  Blanco  postponed the National Guard offer to her detriment and that of her constituents.</p>
<p><i>Four years and billions of dollars later we now have to ask, was any of that time and money spent wisely?</i></p>
<p>Is anyone ever totally prepared for catastrophe?  Pose that question to anyone regarding their personal life?  Cancer? Stroke? Car accident? Unemployment?  Theft?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s fascinating that so many people hold the government responsible for their protection and are inadequately prepared themselves. </p>
<p>The bottomline is that there are limits to how far government can protect and assist.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The feds had supplies and troops PREPOSITIONED in a timely manner.  

The President did not put strumming a guitar BEFORE his duties.  

It takes an A-hole liberal to make something out of the President keeping an appointment. Do you think those events are really for the Pres. to get HIS jollies?  More like a gracious chore.

IN ADDITION to fulfilling his disaster obligation.....of

getting the troops, supplies, and money to LA....only to have it held up by Blanco.

Bush would have had to predetermine that Nagin and Blanco were inept fools BEFORE the storm, to do any better.  He did not predetermine that about the other states, nor did anyone realize that about NO and LA until we all saw differently.   

Had he, there would have been an even worse "racist" outcry from liberal opportunists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The feds had supplies and troops PREPOSITIONED in a timely manner.  </p>
<p>The President did not put strumming a guitar BEFORE his duties.  </p>
<p>It takes an A-hole liberal to make something out of the President keeping an appointment. Do you think those events are really for the Pres. to get HIS jollies?  More like a gracious chore.</p>
<p>IN ADDITION to fulfilling his disaster obligation&#8230;..of</p>
<p>getting the troops, supplies, and money to LA&#8230;.only to have it held up by Blanco.</p>
<p>Bush would have had to predetermine that Nagin and Blanco were inept fools BEFORE the storm, to do any better.  He did not predetermine that about the other states, nor did anyone realize that about NO and LA until we all saw differently.   </p>
<p>Had he, there would have been an even worse &#8220;racist&#8221; outcry from liberal opportunists.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hess</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/misery-loves-company-or-safety-in-numbers/#comment-6972</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Penny,

The four years refers to the time since 11 September 2001 when our nation realized that we needed to be ready for massive destruction. Four years and billions of dollars later we now have to ask, was any of that time and money spent wisely?

B'shalom,

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Penny,</p>
<p>The four years refers to the time since 11 September 2001 when our nation realized that we needed to be ready for massive destruction. Four years and billions of dollars later we now have to ask, was any of that time and money spent wisely?</p>
<p>B&#8217;shalom,</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hess</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/misery-loves-company-or-safety-in-numbers/#comment-6971</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Ravo,

&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Posse Comitatus Act of 1878&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, 18 USC 1385, is part of Federal law but not in the Constitution. It applies only to Army (and later Air Force) personnel serving as law enforcement officers. It does not in any way hinder or prohibit U.S. troops from providing all other forms of aid and assistance to U.S. citizens as directed by the proper Federal authorities.

B'shalom,

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Ravo,</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act" rel="nofollow"><b>Posse Comitatus Act of 1878</b></a>, 18 USC 1385, is part of Federal law but not in the Constitution. It applies only to Army (and later Air Force) personnel serving as law enforcement officers. It does not in any way hinder or prohibit U.S. troops from providing all other forms of aid and assistance to U.S. citizens as directed by the proper Federal authorities.</p>
<p>B&#8217;shalom,</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/misery-loves-company-or-safety-in-numbers/#comment-6970</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Heâ€™s had 4 long years to prepare the government for any kind of attack that might be coming from BinLaden and his pals.&lt;/i&gt;

Really???

Bush was only in office 9 months before 9/11.  Prior to that he was governor of Texas and hardly responsible for national security.  So 3 years plus of your timeframe was Clinton's watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Heâ€™s had 4 long years to prepare the government for any kind of attack that might be coming from BinLaden and his pals.</i></p>
<p>Really???</p>
<p>Bush was only in office 9 months before 9/11.  Prior to that he was governor of Texas and hardly responsible for national security.  So 3 years plus of your timeframe was Clinton&#8217;s watch.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/misery-loves-company-or-safety-in-numbers/#comment-6969</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;But this tragedy is very hard to blame on Bush.

He's had 4 long years to prepare the government for any kind of attack that might be coming from BinLaden and his pals. We've been told to expect mushroom clouds in major U.S. cities. We've been told to expect biological attacks. We've been told to have our own emergency plans ready in case of an attack...duct tape our windows if I remember correctly...and shrub has been given billions of dollars to prepare the feds for any catastrophe that might be coming....and this is the best we get when an emergency occurs? Questions need to be asked about where all that money went...questions need to be asked why an incompetent person like Brown was put in charge...questions need to be asked why the prez was strumming his guitar while people were drowning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;But this tragedy is very hard to blame on Bush.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s had 4 long years to prepare the government for any kind of attack that might be coming from BinLaden and his pals. We&#8217;ve been told to expect mushroom clouds in major U.S. cities. We&#8217;ve been told to expect biological attacks. We&#8217;ve been told to have our own emergency plans ready in case of an attack&#8230;duct tape our windows if I remember correctly&#8230;and shrub has been given billions of dollars to prepare the feds for any catastrophe that might be coming&#8230;.and this is the best we get when an emergency occurs? Questions need to be asked about where all that money went&#8230;questions need to be asked why an incompetent person like Brown was put in charge&#8230;questions need to be asked why the prez was strumming his guitar while people were drowning.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptiousNut</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaptiousNut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A golf buddy of mine just lost his wife in a car accident on a rain slicked road.

A co-worker of mine lost his wife and son in a car accident while she was picking him up from lacrosse practice.

One could argue that those deaths are more "tragic" than even dying in Iraq.

115 Americans die each day in car accidents.

For the mathematically challenged that is 42,000 per year.

But this tragedy is very hard to blame on Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A golf buddy of mine just lost his wife in a car accident on a rain slicked road.</p>
<p>A co-worker of mine lost his wife and son in a car accident while she was picking him up from lacrosse practice.</p>
<p>One could argue that those deaths are more &#8220;tragic&#8221; than even dying in Iraq.</p>
<p>115 Americans die each day in car accidents.</p>
<p>For the mathematically challenged that is 42,000 per year.</p>
<p>But this tragedy is very hard to blame on Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/09/19/misery-loves-company-or-safety-in-numbers/#comment-6967</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The â€œBush couldnâ€™t act because Governor Blanco wouldnâ€™t let himâ€ meme has been debunked for quite some time now. &lt;/i&gt;

You're right on that.  It was debunked in Bush's favor.  As &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; WaPo article dated 9/3 points out Blanco blew it.  She even &lt;a href="http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/15/123648.shtml" rel="nofollow"&gt;admits&lt;/a&gt; as much in this article.

It looks like there is a grassroots effort starting to have her &lt;a href="http://impeachblanco.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;impeached&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The â€œBush couldnâ€™t act because Governor Blanco wouldnâ€™t let himâ€ meme has been debunked for quite some time now. </i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re right on that.  It was debunked in Bush&#8217;s favor.  As <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> WaPo article dated 9/3 points out Blanco blew it.  She even <a href="http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/15/123648.shtml" rel="nofollow">admits</a> as much in this article.</p>
<p>It looks like there is a grassroots effort starting to have her <a href="http://impeachblanco.org/" rel="nofollow">impeached</a>.</p>
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