This is Liberal Lie Numero Uno from somebody with a selective memory and too much sympathy for mass murderers.

Iraq had a WMD program solidly in place. That is an indisputable fact. And they were supporting and protecting Al Qaeda terrorists, among other terrorists, well before the invasion.

But even beyond these “details” which you smugly brush off as “bullshit,” there were many other reasons that made the war inevitable, if not when it was launched, then a little later, which would have been a much more disastrous campaign.

But whether you think the war was a good idea or not, the outright betrayal from France, Russia and Germany, and the culprits at the UN, who went out of their way to materially support Saddam and even militarily helped him kill American soldiers, was unacceptable.

Actually, your statement is bullshit. Go read the original resolution if you don’t believe me. WMDs were one of a number of justifications put forth for the war; 12 years of disregarding the conditions imposed on Iraq after the Gulf War, for instance, as well as their persistence in locking on our planes with missiles in the no-fly zones. “WMDs were the reason for the invasion” is largely a creation of press accounts.

I don’t want touchy-feely. I agree with JimCoates. Move them both to Turtle Bay if you want to debate how we “incited those poor innocents” to come kill us because of all of our meanie policies. Rather like the abused wife….. he wouldn’t have beat her if she had not provoked him? Same thing.

Hmmmm….and where did that start??

Do we really have to keep going through this? Look at the names, look at thier quotes and affiliaitons. Soros, Foner, et al. The poll The Zoner posted earlier on Newsday? When I clicked it was approx. 8500 to 100 that were in favor of a memorial only.

John nailed it “…know an IFC site on Ground Zero couldn’t be ignored, while one a few blocks away could, and would eventually gather cobwebs and tumbleweeds from lack of attendance. “

Is a serious rebuttal forthcoming? Or were you expecting me to answer back with ‘Canada! Canada!’ because you cited the fortitude of Canadians for not falling to pieces when your six soldiers died?

So what have we done for Canada lately, eh?

You have a fine country. There are also many fine European countries that are wonderful to live in. But when those that live under dictators, authoritarian mullahs, desert Princes and Great Leaders start looking to Canada for hope and freedom we’ll have something to talk about.

*sob* Oh, damn those cruel Canucks and Krauts! (I wonder where the French are? C’mon, c’mon, Jeff, how could you forget the dastardly French who betrayed us and left us out alone in the hot Iraqi desert, besides their general faults of being smelly and, uh, smelly, and, uh, French?)

Last time I checked, the only people who have been treating US citizens badly during the Iraq war are the insurgents or terrorists or whatever you might call those bastards, in any case none of them Germans or Canadians. And last time I checked, it wasn’t a German or a Canadian leader who said “bring ‘em on!” to the terrorists in Iraq.

There was a fairly good case for the war in Afghanistan. That’s where the terrorist’s nest was (or maybe still is). That’s where Germany and many other European nations have pledged support and sent thousands of troops and substantial amounts of taxpayer money.

But it’s not the fault of Germany or Canada that the entire case for the Iraq war was *exclusively* based on the “WMD plus Al-Qaeda links” story, a story that has turned out to be utter bullshit, no matter how you twist and turn it. Maybe it was an honest mistake, maybe it was a blatant lie. But in any case, stop whining about lack of support from countries who have been bullied to believe something that has turned out to be plain wrong. Joschka Fischer was ridiculed for his remark to a seemingly confident Colin Powell in the buildup of the Iraq war, stating “I’m sorry, I am not convinced” in a thin and shaking voice. Fischer was right. Powell was wrong, and it’s to his great credit that he has admitted, if somewhat late. I wonder what his opinion would be now as to who treated whom badly during the Iraq war?

INTERNATIONAL FREEDOM CENTER MEMORIAL PROGRAM
September 11, 2009

9:30 am– Heinz Kerry Pavilion
Reading of the names of the Iraq War dead, by Senator Sheehan
Musical performance by the cast of Flight 93: The Musical
Introductory remarks by President Clinton

10:30 am– Start of Macy’s 9-11 Day Parade (at Citibank Ground Zero Botanicarium)
Co-Grand Marshals: Prince Edward and Princess Brittany Spears-Windsor

12 noon– Said Auditorium
Debate: America in the Middle East: Wicked Imperialist or Malignant Blunderer?
Participants; Howard Zinn, Mark Crispin Miller, and Matt Taibbi, author of There’s Still Time to Impeach Former President Bush
Hosted by Tina Brown
(simulcast on Current.tv)

6 pm– reception/dance for corporate sponsors, Prince Fahd Ballroom

Those who are trying to push a “We’re just as bad as everyone else” ideology know an IFC site on Ground Zero couldn’t be ignored, while one a few blocks away could, and would eventually gather cobwebs and tumbleweeds from lack of attendance. But at the same time, a off-site museum that actually does what its proponents claim it will do would still draw attendance from visitors, since it would not be offensive to the memories of the victims of 9/11, or to their families.

Let’s assume you’re right: the support of the world community was genuine and unprecedented and squandered on a foolish war and we have an important lesson to learn from this. Even so, do you really think Ground Zero is the right place for the lecture? If, as you say, the Iraq war had nothing to do with 9/11, why should a memorial to 9/11 be dedicated to debunking the Iraq war? Why not save that for the editorial pages?

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/manhattan/nyc-wtc-poll0923,0,4578562.poll?coll=nyc-homepage-breaking2

The WTC is a burial ground, like the USS Arizona, where innocents died in a sickening attack by the forces of evil.

Much of the world reacted not in support of that action. Sad that many do not think there is anything to learn from this.

Well, dauber, much of the world, especially Europe, lives the PC leftist minions scrip where all things are relative especially if ideologically convenient to advance ones agenda. Roosevelt had his detractors too. History will judge.

The IFC can certainly exist, as you say. They might have very interesting perspectives to share (I’m sure). But it just seems entirely inappropriate to build it on that site.

Also go to takebackthememorial.org and check out all their suggestions for action.

Berlin has taken down the crosses “memorializing” Checkpoint Charlie as impertinent reminders of Honecker et.al.’s true nature. I guarantee you, the 9/11 site will soon enough eradicate every mention of Islamofascist terrorism, in favor of some CAIR-based drivel about its “religion of peace” and so on. When the last Imam is strangled with the entrails of the last Iranian mullah, the last Saudi prince; when the first Christian church rises unobstructed over Tehran and Riyadh, MAYBE we’ll let the 72 sloe-eyed Hawiri of the prophet’s fantasies toss CAIR’s murderous thugs in the ashcan of history with Marx and Lenin, Hitler, Mao, and Saloth Sar. Until then, let ‘em rot, and leave Ground Zero to remind us of who they truly are.