Good women, good food and drink and a nice place didn’t stop the violence of four homegrown Islamic British subjects.

Yes, in the form of your friendly neighborhood Democratic National Party which elected Nancy Pelosi (she who formerly hosted Socialist Worker Party songs on her web page) as its minority leader.

Owl, what was I saying about the decline of public education?……….

Maybe Tony can’t fathom a correlation between what Americans want for Iraqis and what Iraqis want for Iraq converging in Iraq. Both groups being basically reasonable and decent people might be dependent on each other for a decent outcome.

Is it possible that large numbers of Americans see a responsibility in helping Iraqis get what they want, Tony?

americans organized and promoted it. americans were there and in cities all around america. and they were protesting the war in iraq: the lies the brought us there, the newly-made reasons why we’re staying, and the lies about why we wont leave.

you should read a paper from time to time

I’ll repeat:

And, Tony, here’s some questions for you to put your well reasoned factual responses to: just what do you, in your infinite wisdom, think that the majority of Iraqis want for their country? Regression and get the Baathists back? Civil war instead of a constitution? An interim of third party presence so things can be organized and move toward democracy?

Still waiting on your answer to my question, Tony.

It’s refreshing to see that with your reliance in MSM polls that there are still some of us that believe in their accuracy. Face it, Tony I could get any result to a poll if I word questions accordingly and have an audience at hand that sticks to my site because my news product is anti-Bush biased it. The only poll in america that counts are election results.

before you go asking bloggers

Tony, we all blog nowdays. It ain’t a special class of people.

Awaiting you astute analysis of what Iraqis want………….

the sad losers, as you call them were 150,000 strong in DC yesterday. the pro-war contigent was a whopping 300-400.

heres some more numbers:

AP/Ipsos poll Sept. 16-18 said that 65% of those polled think we’re spending too much money on rebuilding Iraq

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. Sept. 16-18 said that 67% those polled disapporve of the way W is handling the war in Iraq.

in that same poll 59% say it was a mistake to send troops to Iraq.

CBS News/New York Times Poll. Sept. 9-13 – 59% disapprove the way our president is handling Iraq

in that same poll 50% say we should have stayed out of Iraq with only 44% saying we did the right thing.

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Sept. 8-11 – 62% disapprove the way W is handling Iraq

before you go asking bloggers what we think Iraqis want for their country, why dont you pay attention to what Americans want for America.

America wants out of Iraq. We’re not happy with the President’s priorities mostly because they dont reflect our agendas. We were not sold into this war to help the Iraqis. We were told there were wmds there, we were told they had ties to 9/11. We were lied to. Only after the lies were realized did people like you suddenly have empathy for the people of Iraq.

What about the people of North Korea, China… or even the falsely imprisoned people in Gitmo… many of whom are Iraqi. Not all of them are falsely improsioned but some are and i would imagine that the people of Iraq, if you asked them, would want them back.

In the meantime the people of the United States want their soldiers back. If you had more than 500 people show up to your little rally or more than 40% of the US citizens show support for your little puppet you’d have a leg to stand on. But you dont. Nor do you care. You simply want your agenda, which isn’t even yours, it’s Karl Rove’s, to continue to soldier on.

Good luck with that.

Maybe at your next rally 600 people will show up.

The other missing entity in this is the demise of our college campuses. Our colleges, like a radio with only one station of leftist dribble, haven’t been in the fairest sense to its students a marketplace of ideas.

You don’t have to look further than some comments here to see the dumbed down thinking of if-I-feel-this, it-must-be-true without an iota of fact as basis for one’s opinion. All critical thinking skills suspended.

It’s not that these kids can’t Google. It’s that they won’t. Scary.

what you heard was America wanting thier country back.

Tony, that “heard’ was a statistical non-event sans the media coverage. These sad losers aren’t real inspiring for your cause.

And, Tony, here’s some questions for you to put your well reasoned factual responses to: just what do you, in your infinite wisdom, think that the majority of Iraqis want for their country? Regression and get the Baathists back? Civil war instead of a constitution? An interim of third party presence so things can be organized and move toward democracy?

Please, Tony, having read your eloquent blog i’m awaiting your astute answer.

Newsflash for you, most americans have not had it with this war. They want it to end asap, but not before the hard work is done. To quit now would mean we’d have to do it all over in a couple of years when the Iranian mullahs have subdued Iraq and are basing their long range nukes in Baghdad.

You keep thinking this war is about Iraq, it isn’t and never was. It’s a clash of cultures whether Bush calls it that or not. One culture supports individual freedom of choice and the demands that you make no choice but Islam. You apparently choose the Islamist outcome, most of the rest of us don’t. Regards

If they were really “professional” journalists, we would see this group profiled on the front pages of the NYT, WaPo and LAT. We would see 60 Minutes showcasing each of the different elements. The kids don’t know that Communists and Socialists managed to kill more than anyone else. They are out there “Marching for Peace” while holding Communist signs and singing a Civil Rights anthem.

Our media spent the month of August on one person but can’t manage a front page about ANSWER? They hide the organizers and supporters by calling it a anti-war protest. They know better, they lie. Media March=F-.

A friend sent me this on the money OpEd in LA Times by David Mamet. It’s a must read. Check it out:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-mamet16sep16,1,341798.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

Also, head over to http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ and post a thoughtful, stimulating comment. I 100,000 comments.

This song has a shattering edge to it in today’s context. Get up and listen to Midnight Oil’s “Beds are Burning.”

Excerpt
..

How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning
How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning

The time has come
To say fair’s fair
To pay the rent, now
To pay our share
..

End Excerpt

We need Democracy 2.0 as a precursor to Recovery 2.0. We should have national referendums every 3 months (quarterly). Why can’t there be a national voting ATM that works. Bush/Cheney/Rove/Chertoff have to much authority and Congress has become a bunch of eunuchs in the corporate harem.

NYTimes ( http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/25/magazine/25turkey.html ) has an article on Turkey moving towards democracy. I’m reading it right now to see if we can learn anything about Iraq in the subtext.

Given all of the funding and organizational effort by America hating leftist/anarchist groups thrown into this moonbat war protest consortium why be surprised that the poor duped college kids are sing “America’s most successful” Communist’s song.

The song made sense for the civil rights era, but these poor creatures haven’t noticed that the Iraqis had their civil rights restored because of Saddam’s fall. The very thing they are protesting.

newsflash for you. most Americans have had enough of this war. they get it that they were lied to about Iraq’s imminent threat, they get it that Iraq didnt have ties to 9/11 or wmds, and they get it that we’re probably not still there to liberate anyone.

therefore what they are overcoming is BushCo’s agendas because it doesn’t jibe with normal American’s agendas.

what you heard was America wanting thier country back.

get with it bro.

Google Ataturk.

When he founded modern Turkey he imposed secularization on the populace/government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Ataturk