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	<title>Comments on: The outcry over indecency is a big lie</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The indecency fraud</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/10/the-outcry-over-indecency-is-a-big-lie/#comment-55796</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The indecency fraud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 17:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The PTC claims credit for submitting thousands of complaints to the FCC about the April 7, 2003 episode of Foxâ€™s â€œMarried by Americaâ€ that the Commission ultimately fined $1.2 million. But blogger Jeff Jarvis, former TV Guide critic, used the Freedom of Information Act to discover that â€œall but two came from the so-called Parents Television Councilâ€™s automated kvetch-machine.â€ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The PTC claims credit for submitting thousands of complaints to the FCC about the April 7, 2003 episode of Foxâ€™s â€œMarried by Americaâ€ that the Commission ultimately fined $1.2 million. But blogger Jeff Jarvis, former TV Guide critic, used the Freedom of Information Act to discover that â€œall but two came from the so-called Parents Television Councilâ€™s automated kvetch-machine.â€ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LanceThruster</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/10/the-outcry-over-indecency-is-a-big-lie/#comment-15707</link>
		<dc:creator>LanceThruster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great summation with the blog archive link. In some ways I like that cable channels I might not order or want to pay for are there anyway because often I find content that I like. But there is still so much that I would not watch on a bet or because, as Jeff so aptly pointed out, many do not speak Spanish (which by the way I would watch if Spanish soap operas had English SAP that much English language programming has for Spanish speakers. Spanish TV has great T &#38; A...and that's just the children's shows!).

I hope that content providers learn to "give" more, not less. I have a cell phone but do not use a single feature that I have to pay more for because it seems in most cases as a way for them to nickel and dime me to death. Love flat rates!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great summation with the blog archive link. In some ways I like that cable channels I might not order or want to pay for are there anyway because often I find content that I like. But there is still so much that I would not watch on a bet or because, as Jeff so aptly pointed out, many do not speak Spanish (which by the way I would watch if Spanish soap operas had English SAP that much English language programming has for Spanish speakers. Spanish TV has great T &amp; A&#8230;and that&#8217;s just the children&#8217;s shows!).</p>
<p>I hope that content providers learn to &#8220;give&#8221; more, not less. I have a cell phone but do not use a single feature that I have to pay more for because it seems in most cases as a way for them to nickel and dime me to death. Love flat rates!</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Exploding TV: Death on the a la carte menu</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/10/the-outcry-over-indecency-is-a-big-lie/#comment-15657</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Exploding TV: Death on the a la carte menu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The funny thing is that Martin, a Republican, is using his indecency crusade to hurt big business big time. At FourSquare, I challenged him on this, saying that the FCC&#8217;s and PTC&#8217;s fringe minority jihad against Howard Stern and free speech forced Stern to satellite and immediately shrunk not only Clear Channel and next Viacom but also the entire radio industry. I said he should be paying attention to modernizing our infrastructure instead of to Stern&#8217;s farts. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The funny thing is that Martin, a Republican, is using his indecency crusade to hurt big business big time. At FourSquare, I challenged him on this, saying that the FCC&#8217;s and PTC&#8217;s fringe minority jihad against Howard Stern and free speech forced Stern to satellite and immediately shrunk not only Clear Channel and next Viacom but also the entire radio industry. I said he should be paying attention to modernizing our infrastructure instead of to Stern&#8217;s farts. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LanceThruster</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/10/the-outcry-over-indecency-is-a-big-lie/#comment-12957</link>
		<dc:creator>LanceThruster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kat - The brain is the most important sex organ we have.  I would not want to be limited by whatever you have determined "real sex" to be. People find titillation in different places; I would hope no one begrudges you yours. The healthier outlet I was referring to was something non-sexual towards which you could channel your repressed urges. That way, you would only experience the actual awkwardness of sexual arousal when you were actually doing the â€œdirty deedâ€.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kat - The brain is the most important sex organ we have.  I would not want to be limited by whatever you have determined &#8220;real sex&#8221; to be. People find titillation in different places; I would hope no one begrudges you yours. The healthier outlet I was referring to was something non-sexual towards which you could channel your repressed urges. That way, you would only experience the actual awkwardness of sexual arousal when you were actually doing the â€œdirty deedâ€.</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/10/the-outcry-over-indecency-is-a-big-lie/#comment-12677</link>
		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, instead of getting your jollies from listening to Stern talk, find a healthier oulet. Try real sex instead of expecting Stern to sexcite you.  That's kinda pervertlike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, instead of getting your jollies from listening to Stern talk, find a healthier oulet. Try real sex instead of expecting Stern to sexcite you.  That&#8217;s kinda pervertlike.</p>
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		<title>By: LanceThruster</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/10/the-outcry-over-indecency-is-a-big-lie/#comment-12654</link>
		<dc:creator>LanceThruster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love that Jeff comments on Howard and his travails. Wasn't happy that Howard was going to satellite until I got my satellite subscription. Now I'd be for it whether Howard was there or not. I think I'll get a 2nd lifetime subscription to Sirius (hurry, ends 12/31/05).

I've seen very well behaved Stern listeners at his book signings (book #1 and #2 had over 10,000 fans each!) who were of almost every age, race and economic demographic. The parts of his show that I like best are not always the same as those of my friends but we each get a bit of what we're looking for.

Religious nuts and other control freaks want to eliminate whatever they're uncomfortable with but totally ignore the shortcomings of their own actions and worldview (ironic because at least for Xians, it's scriptural i.e. ignoring the beam in your own eye as you point out the speck in your neighbor's).

When Howard asks an adult actress/performer about her upbringing, it adds to the understanding. Some were molested, some were from ultra strict or very liberal homes, and some were just average. Howard's questions can be fun, rude, insightful, childish and/or all of the above. So what? I think the cult of sports worship degrades society but I am not trying to outlaw it, I just ignore it as needed. I fear LA championships because of the riots they frequently spawn. No riots have occurred to my knowledge from Sterns #1 ratings.

For those too tempted or revolted by sexual content, find a healthier outlet for yourselves. Instead of forcing a metaphorical burka on everyone else, just find a suitable blindfold to wear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love that Jeff comments on Howard and his travails. Wasn&#8217;t happy that Howard was going to satellite until I got my satellite subscription. Now I&#8217;d be for it whether Howard was there or not. I think I&#8217;ll get a 2nd lifetime subscription to Sirius (hurry, ends 12/31/05).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen very well behaved Stern listeners at his book signings (book #1 and #2 had over 10,000 fans each!) who were of almost every age, race and economic demographic. The parts of his show that I like best are not always the same as those of my friends but we each get a bit of what we&#8217;re looking for.</p>
<p>Religious nuts and other control freaks want to eliminate whatever they&#8217;re uncomfortable with but totally ignore the shortcomings of their own actions and worldview (ironic because at least for Xians, it&#8217;s scriptural i.e. ignoring the beam in your own eye as you point out the speck in your neighbor&#8217;s).</p>
<p>When Howard asks an adult actress/performer about her upbringing, it adds to the understanding. Some were molested, some were from ultra strict or very liberal homes, and some were just average. Howard&#8217;s questions can be fun, rude, insightful, childish and/or all of the above. So what? I think the cult of sports worship degrades society but I am not trying to outlaw it, I just ignore it as needed. I fear LA championships because of the riots they frequently spawn. No riots have occurred to my knowledge from Sterns #1 ratings.</p>
<p>For those too tempted or revolted by sexual content, find a healthier outlet for yourselves. Instead of forcing a metaphorical burka on everyone else, just find a suitable blindfold to wear.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Geezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranky Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the old argument that "nobody is forcing you to watch/listen/read xyz" is utterly disingenuous. 

We all have to live with the negative externalities of these things. I may not be forced to watch/listen/read, but I *am* forced to deal with the foul-mouthed Howard-Stern-listener in line at the grocery store, the ill-mannered Jerry-Springer-watcher talking on his cellphone during a movie, and pay for the abortion of the Cosmopolitan reader who thinks sex is just "partying".

One of these days we're going to realize that WE ALL pay the price for EVERYONE'S bad behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the old argument that &#8220;nobody is forcing you to watch/listen/read xyz&#8221; is utterly disingenuous. </p>
<p>We all have to live with the negative externalities of these things. I may not be forced to watch/listen/read, but I *am* forced to deal with the foul-mouthed Howard-Stern-listener in line at the grocery store, the ill-mannered Jerry-Springer-watcher talking on his cellphone during a movie, and pay for the abortion of the Cosmopolitan reader who thinks sex is just &#8220;partying&#8221;.</p>
<p>One of these days we&#8217;re going to realize that WE ALL pay the price for EVERYONE&#8217;S bad behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptiousNut</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/10/the-outcry-over-indecency-is-a-big-lie/#comment-12410</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptiousNut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, Howard Stern is really Jeff's binky.  How many posts is this now on Stern?

First Amendment my butt.  This is about the paranoid religious and morality-phobic.  Just reading this comment thread it is clear that these religious-phobes need some psychological treatment.

Stern was on the way down anyway.  He has already milked farting for all its worth.

For those that haven't watched or heard Stern.  He often brings on strippers and porn stars and excitedly asks them if they were molested as children and whatnot.  What a hero!!!

Yeah, defending Stern is a real noble cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, Howard Stern is really Jeff&#8217;s binky.  How many posts is this now on Stern?</p>
<p>First Amendment my butt.  This is about the paranoid religious and morality-phobic.  Just reading this comment thread it is clear that these religious-phobes need some psychological treatment.</p>
<p>Stern was on the way down anyway.  He has already milked farting for all its worth.</p>
<p>For those that haven&#8217;t watched or heard Stern.  He often brings on strippers and porn stars and excitedly asks them if they were molested as children and whatnot.  What a hero!!!</p>
<p>Yeah, defending Stern is a real noble cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kat, No, despite your apparent preoccupation with me getting my "jollies" by the use of such language, you still haven't clued me in as to what are the prohibited words, and who is the final arbiter?  Is there an official list someplace on line?  Maybe I find the speech of TV preacher faith healers highly offensive. ( It would be comedic if people didn't take it seriously) If so, I can always change the channel.   It does seem strange to me, tho, in this nominally free society, the religionists, spewing their dark age hellfire rhetoric and anti-science nonsense are quite welcome all over the airwaves.  Aren't they just such wonderful goodie-goodie well-meaning people!! Show a couple having sex on just ONE channel, and the shit (ooops, maybe a dirty word)would hit the fan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kat, No, despite your apparent preoccupation with me getting my &#8220;jollies&#8221; by the use of such language, you still haven&#8217;t clued me in as to what are the prohibited words, and who is the final arbiter?  Is there an official list someplace on line?  Maybe I find the speech of TV preacher faith healers highly offensive. ( It would be comedic if people didn&#8217;t take it seriously) If so, I can always change the channel.   It does seem strange to me, tho, in this nominally free society, the religionists, spewing their dark age hellfire rhetoric and anti-science nonsense are quite welcome all over the airwaves.  Aren&#8217;t they just such wonderful goodie-goodie well-meaning people!! Show a couple having sex on just ONE channel, and the shit (ooops, maybe a dirty word)would hit the fan!</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Drees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Drees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kat-
Noone is forcing you to listen to Stern or anyone else for that matter. THere are plenty of entertainment outlets that cater to specific audiences. Find one you like, ignore the rest. Isn't that the whole Free Market ideal that conservatives are supposed to espouse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kat-<br />
Noone is forcing you to listen to Stern or anyone else for that matter. THere are plenty of entertainment outlets that cater to specific audiences. Find one you like, ignore the rest. Isn&#8217;t that the whole Free Market ideal that conservatives are supposed to espouse?</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I would not use 'fucked' at my job or I may not have one.  There is never a need to use foul language on TV.  I personally have more respect for a message delivered without crude talk than I do for one laced with obscenities.  I have little respect or time for rapper like crap.  I think howard stern is a pervert and i never give him the time of day.  I don't see this as a religious issue--but one of class versus classlessness--stern being the latter.
If you need four letter words to give you an erection, that's your business.  I shouldn't be forced to listen to it.  You have a venue to get your jollies--use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I would not use &#8216;fucked&#8217; at my job or I may not have one.  There is never a need to use foul language on TV.  I personally have more respect for a message delivered without crude talk than I do for one laced with obscenities.  I have little respect or time for rapper like crap.  I think howard stern is a pervert and i never give him the time of day.  I don&#8217;t see this as a religious issue&#8211;but one of class versus classlessness&#8211;stern being the latter.<br />
If you need four letter words to give you an erection, that&#8217;s your business.  I shouldn&#8217;t be forced to listen to it.  You have a venue to get your jollies&#8211;use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Kat, how about YOU then giving us YOUR list of "dirty words" that should never appear on the airwaves in any context?  It seems there were 7 at one time according to someone, someplace.  I know Carlin did a routine on this, but I still haven't seen the "official list".  Let me ask you, if someone was to say in a TV interview in regards to a question about a business deal, and the response was "We got totally fucked by those bastards", would that "make TV into a porn tool"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Kat, how about YOU then giving us YOUR list of &#8220;dirty words&#8221; that should never appear on the airwaves in any context?  It seems there were 7 at one time according to someone, someplace.  I know Carlin did a routine on this, but I still haven&#8217;t seen the &#8220;official list&#8221;.  Let me ask you, if someone was to say in a TV interview in regards to a question about a business deal, and the response was &#8220;We got totally fucked by those bastards&#8221;, would that &#8220;make TV into a porn tool&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill you can get your pervert kicks anywhere--you don't need to shove it in everyone's face.  If the word fuck makes you horny, go find a porn site.  Don't make TV into a porn tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill you can get your pervert kicks anywhere&#8211;you don&#8217;t need to shove it in everyone&#8217;s face.  If the word fuck makes you horny, go find a porn site.  Don&#8217;t make TV into a porn tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Kat, remember a lot of it is about words with these anti-indecency crusaders.  You can go on the so called public airways and talk about having pleasurable sex in clinical terms, but the minute you inject the F-bomb, out come the nasty letters to the FCC.  ( so and so said FUCKING on TV! What's the world coming to!) I'm just saying if these bible thumpers want to be consistent, they should start by getting rid of their own "instruction manual" which is full of absurdities, obscenities, and superstition.  The "Good Book"?  Hardly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Kat, remember a lot of it is about words with these anti-indecency crusaders.  You can go on the so called public airways and talk about having pleasurable sex in clinical terms, but the minute you inject the F-bomb, out come the nasty letters to the FCC.  ( so and so said FUCKING on TV! What&#8217;s the world coming to!) I&#8217;m just saying if these bible thumpers want to be consistent, they should start by getting rid of their own &#8220;instruction manual&#8221; which is full of absurdities, obscenities, and superstition.  The &#8220;Good Book&#8221;?  Hardly.</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come now Bill Henry--get your mind out of the gutter.  That verse is not about golden showers and fisting or fudgepacking.  It's simply the enemy threatenening with  insulting words to cause famine to the point where people are reduced to eating shit. Rabshakeh meant to be insulting--a sort of eat shit or die moment.  Rabshakeh was on your side, not a 'Bible thumper".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come now Bill Henry&#8211;get your mind out of the gutter.  That verse is not about golden showers and fisting or fudgepacking.  It&#8217;s simply the enemy threatenening with  insulting words to cause famine to the point where people are reduced to eating shit. Rabshakeh meant to be insulting&#8211;a sort of eat shit or die moment.  Rabshakeh was on your side, not a &#8216;Bible thumper&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watched C-Span's Brian Lamb interview Michelle Malkin, showing a printout of some of the truly vile emails she had received.  They were the kind I skip out of distaste anywhere, and am wondering if even to make a point they should have been on the air?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watched C-Span&#8217;s Brian Lamb interview Michelle Malkin, showing a printout of some of the truly vile emails she had received.  They were the kind I skip out of distaste anywhere, and am wondering if even to make a point they should have been on the air?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's always the bible thumpers and their sheep who complain of indecency on the airwaves.  Of course, their book, which they would LOVE to cram down everybody's throat starting with grade school kids, is FULL of vile filth. Of course, since virtually none of them have read it, they have no clue as to what it really contains. I think Stern should have a bible reading on his show every day.  He could start with Isaiah 36:12, my "favorite" verse, presented here from the King James Version: But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?  Gee, the so-called word of god contains "dirty" words like piss!  Of course, when "urine" is used in later versions, that makes it all OK.  Hmmmm, come to think of it, maybe THAT bible verse is too vile for Howard's show!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always the bible thumpers and their sheep who complain of indecency on the airwaves.  Of course, their book, which they would LOVE to cram down everybody&#8217;s throat starting with grade school kids, is FULL of vile filth. Of course, since virtually none of them have read it, they have no clue as to what it really contains. I think Stern should have a bible reading on his show every day.  He could start with Isaiah 36:12, my &#8220;favorite&#8221; verse, presented here from the King James Version: But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?  Gee, the so-called word of god contains &#8220;dirty&#8221; words like piss!  Of course, when &#8220;urine&#8221; is used in later versions, that makes it all OK.  Hmmmm, come to think of it, maybe THAT bible verse is too vile for Howard&#8217;s show!</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Geezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranky Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 04:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my lifetime, we've gone from tipping your hat when you pass a lady on the street... to Girls Gone Wild. There is a price to indecency, and that price is nothing less than the death of Western Civilization. Congratulations filth-peddlers. You've destroyed in 30 years what it took centuries to build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my lifetime, we&#8217;ve gone from tipping your hat when you pass a lady on the street&#8230; to Girls Gone Wild. There is a price to indecency, and that price is nothing less than the death of Western Civilization. Congratulations filth-peddlers. You&#8217;ve destroyed in 30 years what it took centuries to build.</p>
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		<title>By: mina123</title>
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		<dc:creator>mina123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think whats indecent is how little attention american media is giving to the 0ctober 8th earthquake in pakistan and the human tragedy it has caused.  please donate for pakistan earthquake relief. the OCT 8th earthquake has taken 80,000 lives a number that the UN says will double if the world doesnt step up to help. 30,000 children have been orphaned. the UN says the disaster is worse than the tsunami and this is the most difficult relief operation in history but the media doesnt give us any sense of the scale of the suffering. i request you to give this issue prominence on your blog.

please donate. your money goes a long way n pakistan. UNICEF says that 5 dollars is enough to buy 30 blankets, 10 dollars is enough to feed a family for a week. 3 million are homeless. every dollar  saves lives.  please help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think whats indecent is how little attention american media is giving to the 0ctober 8th earthquake in pakistan and the human tragedy it has caused.  please donate for pakistan earthquake relief. the OCT 8th earthquake has taken 80,000 lives a number that the UN says will double if the world doesnt step up to help. 30,000 children have been orphaned. the UN says the disaster is worse than the tsunami and this is the most difficult relief operation in history but the media doesnt give us any sense of the scale of the suffering. i request you to give this issue prominence on your blog.</p>
<p>please donate. your money goes a long way n pakistan. UNICEF says that 5 dollars is enough to buy 30 blankets, 10 dollars is enough to feed a family for a week. 3 million are homeless. every dollar  saves lives.  please help.</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, and Democrats have had enough of that shit on TV.
http://www.tvweek.com/news.cms?newsId=8885</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and Democrats have had enough of that shit on TV.<br />
<a href="http://www.tvweek.com/news.cms?newsId=8885" rel="nofollow">http://www.tvweek.com/news.cms?newsId=8885</a></p>
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		<title>By: AvengingAngel</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/10/the-outcry-over-indecency-is-a-big-lie/#comment-12319</link>
		<dc:creator>AvengingAngel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of indecency, one of most ironic - and enjoyable - side stories of the CIA Leak/PlameGate investigation has been the discovery of Lewis "Scooter" Libby's trashy 2001 novel, "The Apprentice."

As it turns out, poorly crafted, soft-core pornography seems to be quite the cottage industry among America's conservative chattering classes.

For the full story, see:

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000281.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;"Hard Liners, Soft Porn: The Perverse Prose and Titillating Text of Team Bush"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of indecency, one of most ironic - and enjoyable - side stories of the CIA Leak/PlameGate investigation has been the discovery of Lewis &#8220;Scooter&#8221; Libby&#8217;s trashy 2001 novel, &#8220;The Apprentice.&#8221;</p>
<p>As it turns out, poorly crafted, soft-core pornography seems to be quite the cottage industry among America&#8217;s conservative chattering classes.</p>
<p>For the full story, see:</p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000281.htm" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Hard Liners, Soft Porn: The Perverse Prose and Titillating Text of Team Bush&#8221;</a></b></p>
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		<title>By: EverKarl</title>
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		<dc:creator>EverKarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, though, the counting messages to five commissioners as five complaints &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, though, the counting messages to five commissioners as five complaints <i>is</i> ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: EverKarl</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/10/the-outcry-over-indecency-is-a-big-lie/#comment-12317</link>
		<dc:creator>EverKarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

By your logic, if 100,000 -- or 100 million -- sign a petition, it's really no big deal, because they didn't each compose a personalized message.  So it's really just the one complaint.

Put another way:  When you were with &lt;i&gt;TV Guide&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Entertainment Weekly,&lt;/i&gt;  did y'all tell advertisers that pass-around circulation doesn't count?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>By your logic, if 100,000 &#8212; or 100 million &#8212; sign a petition, it&#8217;s really no big deal, because they didn&#8217;t each compose a personalized message.  So it&#8217;s really just the one complaint.</p>
<p>Put another way:  When you were with <i>TV Guide</i> and <i>Entertainment Weekly,</i>  did y&#8217;all tell advertisers that pass-around circulation doesn&#8217;t count?</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was under the impression that you *could* say bullshit as an expletive, but you couldnt use it as a verb as in "look at that bull shit over there."

++++

Mr. Rintels,

Can you explain why Howard was fined for breifly discussing anal/oral sex "blumpkin" but when Oprah described anal/oral sex "tossing a salad" she was never fined despite thousands of complaints?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was under the impression that you *could* say bullshit as an expletive, but you couldnt use it as a verb as in &#8220;look at that bull shit over there.&#8221;</p>
<p>++++</p>
<p>Mr. Rintels,</p>
<p>Can you explain why Howard was fined for breifly discussing anal/oral sex &#8220;blumpkin&#8221; but when Oprah described anal/oral sex &#8220;tossing a salad&#8221; she was never fined despite thousands of complaints?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Dorph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Dorph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most americans spit, curse, lie, tell dirty jokes, talk about body functions and sex...  Its only that tiny percent that doesnt find it good enough to live what they think is a clean life, they need to get their anointed hands into our affairs.  Why?  Maybe a little bit of "More holy than thou".

&lt;a href="http://nybathrooms.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Bathroom Review&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href="http://highpowerrocketry.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Rocketry&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most americans spit, curse, lie, tell dirty jokes, talk about body functions and sex&#8230;  Its only that tiny percent that doesnt find it good enough to live what they think is a clean life, they need to get their anointed hands into our affairs.  Why?  Maybe a little bit of &#8220;More holy than thou&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://nybathrooms.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Bathroom Review</a><br />
<a href="http://highpowerrocketry.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Rocketry</a></p>
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