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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Missing the forest for the dead trees</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-152207</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Missing the forest for the dead trees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yet the real problem the report exposes is cultural inertia, the inability to think in radically new ways and to blow up old assumptions. I feared when the project was announced that they saw their job as fending off threats to newspapers rather than exploiting new opportunities for journalism. When I heard an early version of their recommendations, I warned that they were taking false comfort from making tiny steps when what is needed is an atomic bomb. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yet the real problem the report exposes is cultural inertia, the inability to think in radically new ways and to blow up old assumptions. I feared when the project was announced that they saw their job as fending off threats to newspapers rather than exploiting new opportunities for journalism. When I heard an early version of their recommendations, I warned that they were taking false comfort from making tiny steps when what is needed is an atomic bomb. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-81444</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We&#8217;re not an audience, damnit. I think this project needs to learn how to collaborate with the people formerly known as the audience. When they launched, I was cranky about it. They&#8217;re trying to reshape newspapers but I think they should be more aggressive and imagine the world after newspapers and figure out how to get news there. They need to get out there and work with the nonnewspaper people [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We&#8217;re not an audience, damnit. I think this project needs to learn how to collaborate with the people formerly known as the audience. When they launched, I was cranky about it. They&#8217;re trying to reshape newspapers but I think they should be more aggressive and imagine the world after newspapers and figure out how to get news there. They need to get out there and work with the nonnewspaper people [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gutenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-13155</link>
		<dc:creator>Gutenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with newspapers is that they are run by newspapermen and women. I think the problem stems in part from the insular culture of newsrooms that eschews anything that smacks of business sense. To wit: http://deadnewspapers.blogspot.com/2005/11/marketing-in-newsroom-part-ii.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with newspapers is that they are run by newspapermen and women. I think the problem stems in part from the insular culture of newsrooms that eschews anything that smacks of business sense. To wit: <a href="http://deadnewspapers.blogspot.com/2005/11/marketing-in-newsroom-part-ii.html" rel="nofollow">http://deadnewspapers.blogspot.com/2005/11/marketing-in-newsroom-part-ii.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12959</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You can understand their reluctance about allowing many new voices canâ€™t you? 

New voices might ask impertinent questions like, â€œwho are the customers and how do we really know what they want?â€ Better to bring in the usual experts who claim to speak for readers and advertisers. That way nobody has to waste time listening to the hoi polloi (the long tail of readers and advertisers) before they start their redesign. &lt;/i&gt;

Too many voices can get overwhelming. Of course, if they don't listen to those new voices, they run the risk of missing the changes and being out of business.

Mainstream media really needs to focus on their strengths. By having a paid staff, who can spend TIME researching, they have the ability to be the sources of authoritative information. MSM has the opportunity to be the people who delve further into issues and root out facts (theoretically, that's what they've been doing). Bloggers tend to be folks with a specific expertise, and also other jobs that keep them from reading far and obscure sources of info. MSM should be, if they choose to step up (and some will, I'm sure) and provide true depth. Ironically, bloggers should be viewed, in this model, as key partners. Those much derided blogs provide the direction to find depth, insights that "common sense" might not bring to light.

MSM has a place in the new information economy; they just need to quit whining about it and start working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You can understand their reluctance about allowing many new voices canâ€™t you? </p>
<p>New voices might ask impertinent questions like, â€œwho are the customers and how do we really know what they want?â€ Better to bring in the usual experts who claim to speak for readers and advertisers. That way nobody has to waste time listening to the hoi polloi (the long tail of readers and advertisers) before they start their redesign. </i></p>
<p>Too many voices can get overwhelming. Of course, if they don&#8217;t listen to those new voices, they run the risk of missing the changes and being out of business.</p>
<p>Mainstream media really needs to focus on their strengths. By having a paid staff, who can spend TIME researching, they have the ability to be the sources of authoritative information. MSM has the opportunity to be the people who delve further into issues and root out facts (theoretically, that&#8217;s what they&#8217;ve been doing). Bloggers tend to be folks with a specific expertise, and also other jobs that keep them from reading far and obscure sources of info. MSM should be, if they choose to step up (and some will, I&#8217;m sure) and provide true depth. Ironically, bloggers should be viewed, in this model, as key partners. Those much derided blogs provide the direction to find depth, insights that &#8220;common sense&#8221; might not bring to light.</p>
<p>MSM has a place in the new information economy; they just need to quit whining about it and start working.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12951</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR

Better to be a liberal and a jackass than to be just a dumbass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR</p>
<p>Better to be a liberal and a jackass than to be just a dumbass.</p>
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		<title>By: katzenbach.info &#187; BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» Donâ€™t they need new blood?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12883</link>
		<dc:creator>katzenbach.info &#187; BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» Donâ€™t they need new blood?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Das American Press Institute steckt 2 Mio US$ in die Erforschung neuer Gesch&#228;ftsmodelle f&#252;r Zeitungen. Jeff Jarvis pointiert den Fehler dieses Ansatzes: &#8220;It&#8217;s not about new models for newspapers; it&#8217;s about new models for news.&#8221; Und &#228;hnlich Nancy Wang: &#8220;Instead of thinking about threats to newspapers, they should be thinking about learning with the emerging competition that seems to be taking away their audiences.&#8221;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Das American Press Institute steckt 2 Mio US$ in die Erforschung neuer Gesch&#228;ftsmodelle f&#252;r Zeitungen. Jeff Jarvis pointiert den Fehler dieses Ansatzes: &#8220;It&#8217;s not about new models for newspapers; it&#8217;s about new models for news.&#8221; Und &#228;hnlich Nancy Wang: &#8220;Instead of thinking about threats to newspapers, they should be thinking about learning with the emerging competition that seems to be taking away their audiences.&#8221;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PSGInfinity</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12861</link>
		<dc:creator>PSGInfinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR,

Throw us a bone, oh wizened one.  
First off, who are you insulting? 
Second, how about some evidence? 
Third, how about remembering that casual readers don't want to follow minutiae?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR,</p>
<p>Throw us a bone, oh wizened one.<br />
First off, who are you insulting?<br />
Second, how about some evidence?<br />
Third, how about remembering that casual readers don&#8217;t want to follow minutiae?</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12851</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're a liberal jackass who has no clue what he's talking about 99% of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a liberal jackass who has no clue what he&#8217;s talking about 99% of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: EverKarl</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12849</link>
		<dc:creator>EverKarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The analogy I always return to is the failure of railroad companies to realize that they could have been in the transportation business, rather than the railroad business.  Not knowing what business you're in is a good way to go out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The analogy I always return to is the failure of railroad companies to realize that they could have been in the transportation business, rather than the railroad business.  Not knowing what business you&#8217;re in is a good way to go out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: newc</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12846</link>
		<dc:creator>newc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But WELL researched and Documented - or Fact check your a** off.
Men from boys, and boys to men.

Nothing is wrong with truth, but handling is a different "shippers" fault i guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But WELL researched and Documented - or Fact check your a** off.<br />
Men from boys, and boys to men.</p>
<p>Nothing is wrong with truth, but handling is a different &#8220;shippers&#8221; fault i guess.</p>
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		<title>By: newc</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12844</link>
		<dc:creator>newc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "Press" Shall be free. 
;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Press&#8221; Shall be free.<br />
 <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: roman libbertz</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12829</link>
		<dc:creator>roman libbertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cool, sehr geil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cool, sehr geil</p>
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		<title>By: laurence haughton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12820</link>
		<dc:creator>laurence haughton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again there's that pesky qualifier, "business" models.  It's not even about new models for news.  It's about new "news business" models.

You can understand their reluctance about allowing many new voices can't you?   

New voices might ask impertinent questions like, "who are the customers and how do we really know what they want?"  Better to bring in the usual experts who claim to speak for readers and advertisers.  That way nobody has to waste time listening to the hoi polloi (the long tail of readers and advertisers) before they start their redesign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again there&#8217;s that pesky qualifier, &#8220;business&#8221; models.  It&#8217;s not even about new models for news.  It&#8217;s about new &#8220;news business&#8221; models.</p>
<p>You can understand their reluctance about allowing many new voices can&#8217;t you?   </p>
<p>New voices might ask impertinent questions like, &#8220;who are the customers and how do we really know what they want?&#8221;  Better to bring in the usual experts who claim to speak for readers and advertisers.  That way nobody has to waste time listening to the hoi polloi (the long tail of readers and advertisers) before they start their redesign.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitar Vesselinov</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12814</link>
		<dc:creator>Dimitar Vesselinov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The future is here...In Korea and Japan...On blogs, Livejournal, Myspace, FaceBook, mobile phones, cyber worlds...The media establishment executives just have to see it! Just follow Murdoch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The future is here&#8230;In Korea and Japan&#8230;On blogs, Livejournal, Myspace, FaceBook, mobile phones, cyber worlds&#8230;The media establishment executives just have to see it! Just follow Murdoch!</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12813</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They need new young blood.  Young blood soon turns to middle age blood and middle age blood turns to old blood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They need new young blood.  Young blood soon turns to middle age blood and middle age blood turns to old blood.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Tolles</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12786</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Tolles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

&#62;&#62; are all from the big companies and the old ways.

I take it you didn't read *all* the names here.

Bob Wyman and Rich Skrenta are neither from big companies nor "the old ways" last time I checked. 

Certainly, there's a lot of representation here from main stream media -- but I'd argue PubSub and Topix.net are a good start towards inclusion of new models and thought here.  

We might not be your NYC-dwelling-Michael's-dining-uber-blogger sort of online riffraff, but throw us a bone here ;-)

Chris Tolles
VP Marketing 
Topix.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; are all from the big companies and the old ways.</p>
<p>I take it you didn&#8217;t read *all* the names here.</p>
<p>Bob Wyman and Rich Skrenta are neither from big companies nor &#8220;the old ways&#8221; last time I checked. </p>
<p>Certainly, there&#8217;s a lot of representation here from main stream media &#8212; but I&#8217;d argue PubSub and Topix.net are a good start towards inclusion of new models and thought here.  </p>
<p>We might not be your NYC-dwelling-Michael&#8217;s-dining-uber-blogger sort of online riffraff, but throw us a bone here <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Chris Tolles<br />
VP Marketing<br />
Topix.net</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Dorph</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/16/dont-they-need-new-blood/#comment-12782</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Dorph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...  My idea would be save the trees and stop making paper documents.

&lt;a href="http://r2000.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;R2K..&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://nybathrooms.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Bathrooms..&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://highpowerrocketry.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Rocketry&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;  My idea would be save the trees and stop making paper documents.</p>
<p><a href="http://r2000.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">R2K..</a><a href="http://nybathrooms.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Bathrooms..</a><a href="http://highpowerrocketry.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Rocketry</a></p>
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