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	<title>Comments on: Anonymity, Inc.</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Edgeio and the distributed world</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/19/anonymity-inc/#comment-29929</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Edgeio and the distributed world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Laura Grow</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/19/anonymity-inc/#comment-15886</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Grow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 03:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.  I referred to this entry in my blog, to which I linked.  Feel free to check it out and leave a comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.  I referred to this entry in my blog, to which I linked.  Feel free to check it out and leave a comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Stratton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/19/anonymity-inc/#comment-15614</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Stratton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, making money in the privacy business is challenging on several fronts; just ask Austin Hill at Zero Knowledge. Safeweb, in whom my previous shop invested, came out alright, but after reinventing themselves into a VPN appliance. Lance Cottrell at anonymizer.com is making a good show of it, perhaps due to his lead in addressing my item #1, which says that:

From a technical perspective, your anonymity service is only useful if you also have 3 million other users with whom to mix any client's traffic. (You may choose a different number, but it's a key issue.)

Secondly, you face some cultural biases that are largely unconscious, but severe in their impact. For example, in the U.S. it usually only takes one mention of the "four horsemen" of Internet malevolence (drug dealers, pedophiles, money launderers, and terrorists) to give prospective investors and clients pause. These same prospects will grouse privately all day and night about their perceived lack of privacy, but they haven't thought about how to value their privacy in the context of a greater society/environment/marketplace. 

I agree that pseudonymity along with strong reputation systems would be a boon to mankind and business. I fear that our failures to date have largely been driven by attempts to manage the process purely through technology. As a long-time security professional, I have  come to realize that this never works. All of the Internet firewalls in the world won't save you if you don't train your staff properly, and have security policies with buy-in from your senior management. There's a reason I don't care much about credit card fraud - there's a statutory $50 liability limit if I follow certain procedures in the event of loss. 

That's not a technical solution, but it works pretty well. Whether you're a Liberty Alliance or Passport/Hailstorm fan, or simply like eBay's feedback system, my contention is that you'lll never have a coherent broadly-applicable environment within which to operate anonymously/pseudonymously unless it is comprised of both well thought-out legislative/regulatory elements, serious marketing communications and technical tools for identity management and reputation tracking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, making money in the privacy business is challenging on several fronts; just ask Austin Hill at Zero Knowledge. Safeweb, in whom my previous shop invested, came out alright, but after reinventing themselves into a VPN appliance. Lance Cottrell at anonymizer.com is making a good show of it, perhaps due to his lead in addressing my item #1, which says that:</p>
<p>From a technical perspective, your anonymity service is only useful if you also have 3 million other users with whom to mix any client&#8217;s traffic. (You may choose a different number, but it&#8217;s a key issue.)</p>
<p>Secondly, you face some cultural biases that are largely unconscious, but severe in their impact. For example, in the U.S. it usually only takes one mention of the &#8220;four horsemen&#8221; of Internet malevolence (drug dealers, pedophiles, money launderers, and terrorists) to give prospective investors and clients pause. These same prospects will grouse privately all day and night about their perceived lack of privacy, but they haven&#8217;t thought about how to value their privacy in the context of a greater society/environment/marketplace. </p>
<p>I agree that pseudonymity along with strong reputation systems would be a boon to mankind and business. I fear that our failures to date have largely been driven by attempts to manage the process purely through technology. As a long-time security professional, I have  come to realize that this never works. All of the Internet firewalls in the world won&#8217;t save you if you don&#8217;t train your staff properly, and have security policies with buy-in from your senior management. There&#8217;s a reason I don&#8217;t care much about credit card fraud - there&#8217;s a statutory $50 liability limit if I follow certain procedures in the event of loss. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a technical solution, but it works pretty well. Whether you&#8217;re a Liberty Alliance or Passport/Hailstorm fan, or simply like eBay&#8217;s feedback system, my contention is that you&#8217;lll never have a coherent broadly-applicable environment within which to operate anonymously/pseudonymously unless it is comprised of both well thought-out legislative/regulatory elements, serious marketing communications and technical tools for identity management and reputation tracking.</p>
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		<title>By: Emil Sotirov</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/19/anonymity-inc/#comment-13989</link>
		<dc:creator>Emil Sotirov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like pseudonymity... where you have a pseudo identity forming out of a series of social gestures... as opposed to anonymity where you have individual gestures coming from a faceless crowd. Who in the world should like this. Historically... this was always a situation of fear in the face of an authority... talking without showing your face. A pseudo identity can be socially functional for establishing relationships... while keeping a selected level of privacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like pseudonymity&#8230; where you have a pseudo identity forming out of a series of social gestures&#8230; as opposed to anonymity where you have individual gestures coming from a faceless crowd. Who in the world should like this. Historically&#8230; this was always a situation of fear in the face of an authority&#8230; talking without showing your face. A pseudo identity can be socially functional for establishing relationships&#8230; while keeping a selected level of privacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Krupp</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/19/anonymity-inc/#comment-13287</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Krupp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not Anonymity, but Anonymous Accountability.</description>
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		<title>By: Alan Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/19/anonymity-inc/#comment-13238</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Engagment is the way forward here and we talk about creating win wins for business and customers in our book &lt;a&gt; Communities Dominate Brands &lt;/a&gt; Or put another way how can businesses create a less adversarial approch to marketing and business?

Alan Mitchell in his book &lt;a&gt; The New Bottom Line &lt;/a&gt; also talks about a very different type of frictionless marketing.

As to defending our anonynimity well - thats up to us as individuals and as communities to defend that right.

But I believe that Big Brother will be defested by the supremacy of the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Engagment is the way forward here and we talk about creating win wins for business and customers in our book <a> Communities Dominate Brands </a> Or put another way how can businesses create a less adversarial approch to marketing and business?</p>
<p>Alan Mitchell in his book <a> The New Bottom Line </a> also talks about a very different type of frictionless marketing.</p>
<p>As to defending our anonynimity well - thats up to us as individuals and as communities to defend that right.</p>
<p>But I believe that Big Brother will be defested by the supremacy of the community.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Zimmer</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/19/anonymity-inc/#comment-13237</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Pseudonymity" is probably a more attainable goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pseudonymity&#8221; is probably a more attainable goal.</p>
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