Comments on: My content, my readers, my numbers, damnit http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:30:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: My content, my readers, my numbers, damnit http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-445436 My content, my readers, my numbers, damnit Mon, 07 Mar 2011 18:19:40 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-445436 [...] “Hey, My Yahoo, Google Reader, Pluck, Newsgator Enterprise and other RSS readers: Hand over my numbers. You are taking my RSS feed and caching it to serve more efficiently, which would be fine if only you told me how many times you are doing that. But you’re not,” complains BuzzMachine’s Jeff Jarvis. [...] [...] “Hey, My Yahoo, Google Reader, Pluck, Newsgator Enterprise and other RSS readers: Hand over my numbers. You are taking my RSS feed and caching it to serve more efficiently, which would be fine if only you told me how many times you are doing that. But you’re not,” complains BuzzMachine’s Jeff Jarvis. [...]

]]> By: Steve http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-364526 Steve Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:17:02 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-364526 Looks like you got a little bit of Spam going on. Looks like you got a little bit of Spam going on.

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]]> By: Scobleizer - Microsoft Geek Blogger » Hand over my feed’s numbers, Jarvis says (I agree) http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-19173 Scobleizer - Microsoft Geek Blogger » Hand over my feed’s numbers, Jarvis says (I agree) Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:04:43 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-19173 [...] Oh, I agree with this: Hand over my numbers, cries Jeff Jarvis. Turns out most of the online aggregators are caching RSS feeds and aren’t reporting how many people are subscribing. [...] [...] Oh, I agree with this: Hand over my numbers, cries Jeff Jarvis. Turns out most of the online aggregators are caching RSS feeds and aren’t reporting how many people are subscribing. [...]

]]> By: Scott Sanders http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-17007 Scott Sanders Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:14:59 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-17007 FeedLounge has reported subscriber numbers in the User Agent from near day one. The question I have is the aggregation of these numbers. Does FeedBurner read FeedLounge's User Agent to know that FeedLounge is more than one subscriber? This is where it gets interesting... FeedLounge has reported subscriber numbers in the User Agent from near day one.

The question I have is the aggregation of these numbers. Does FeedBurner read FeedLounge’s User Agent to know that FeedLounge is more than one subscriber? This is where it gets interesting…

]]> By: Scott Randolph.net » Jeff Jarvis goes way wrong. http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15577 Scott Randolph.net » Jeff Jarvis goes way wrong. Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:40:31 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15577 [...] Jeff Jarvis went on a little rant today, about how he expected Google and Yahoo RSS readers to report back to him his number of subscribers. He also called out Newsgator Enterprise for it (which I don’t get, cause my free service from them reports subscription numbers). [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis went on a little rant today, about how he expected Google and Yahoo RSS readers to report back to him his number of subscribers. He also called out Newsgator Enterprise for it (which I don’t get, cause my free service from them reports subscription numbers). [...]

]]> By: Bob http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15548 Bob Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:39:46 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15548 For someone who preaches to stop thinking like old media, comparing your RSS feed to selling magazines and theft of photographs is off-the-mark. <i>But I do want to maintain a relationship with readers who subscribed to my blatherings and the barest way to do that is to get statistics.</i> The barest way to do that, Jeff, is to write well. You have readers because of what you say, not because of the number of folks who read your pieces. I am surprised by your outrage over this. Eventually, all that is new is old again . . . For someone who preaches to stop thinking like old media, comparing your RSS feed to selling magazines and theft of photographs is off-the-mark.

But I do want to maintain a relationship with readers who subscribed to my blatherings and the barest way to do that is to get statistics.
The barest way to do that, Jeff, is to write well. You have readers because of what you say, not because of the number of folks who read your pieces.

I am surprised by your outrage over this. Eventually, all that is new is old again . . .

]]> By: Adam http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15392 Adam Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:32:38 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15392 Whoa... did someone throw a switch somewhere? My Feedburner RSS numbers increased by 20% yesterday after holding steady for a long time. Not complaining, but still.... :D Whoa… did someone throw a switch somewhere? My Feedburner RSS numbers increased by 20% yesterday after holding steady for a long time. Not complaining, but still…. :D

]]> By: Greg Reinacker http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15276 Greg Reinacker Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:52:29 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15276 NewsGator Enterprise Server definitely reports subscriber statistics - here's an example from my blog's server log: NewsGatorEnterprise/1.0a+(http://www.newsgator.com;+51+subscribers) However...this can be turned off by the enterprise administrator. Some companies do not want to release subscriber information to external sources (investment banks are an example), so they have the option to turn it off. NewsGator Enterprise Server definitely reports subscriber statistics – here’s an example from my blog’s server log:

NewsGatorEnterprise/1.0a+(http://www.newsgator.com;+51+subscribers)

However…this can be turned off by the enterprise administrator. Some companies do not want to release subscriber information to external sources (investment banks are an example), so they have the option to turn it off.

]]> By: Matt Cutts http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15246 Matt Cutts Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:14:55 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15246 Jeff, that's a good suggestion. Google Reader is a pretty recent product, so I'm sure that the team has a lot of things that they're working on, but I'll mention this as a request. I'm guessing that no one is opposed to this at Google, but that they just have to prioritize and that they'll get to this at some point down the road. Jeff, that’s a good suggestion. Google Reader is a pretty recent product, so I’m sure that the team has a lot of things that they’re working on, but I’ll mention this as a request. I’m guessing that no one is opposed to this at Google, but that they just have to prioritize and that they’ll get to this at some point down the road.

]]> By: Adam http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15070 Adam Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:16:43 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15070 Jeff, I'm a blogger, too, and I agree that the lack of decent numbers is -- at least -- an annoyance. But with that said, I find your sense of entitlement to be even more annoying... not to mention your obnoxiously hyperbolic use of "theft" to describe the issue. What next...? Should folks scream at the NYT when they don't get to know how many folks read a letter to the editor they got posted there? As I commented on <a href="http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4805" rel="nofollow">Threadwatch</a>, I think many of us bloggers need to put things in perspective and, quite frankly, get a life. Jeff,

I’m a blogger, too, and I agree that the lack of decent numbers is — at least — an annoyance. But with that said, I find your sense of entitlement to be even more annoying… not to mention your obnoxiously hyperbolic use of “theft” to describe the issue. What next…? Should folks scream at the NYT when they don’t get to know how many folks read a letter to the editor they got posted there?

As I commented on Threadwatch, I think many of us bloggers need to put things in perspective and, quite frankly, get a life.

]]> By: The Indiana Jones School of Management http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15068 The Indiana Jones School of Management Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:58:17 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15068 <strong>Reporting Subscriber Numbers in HTTP Headers</strong> Jeff Jarvis is angsty, and he wants to know how many people subscribe to his feeds via some of the hosted aggregation services [FeedLounge, Bloglines, Google Reader, etc.]. In his rant, he points to an entry about sending forward the number of subscr... Reporting Subscriber Numbers in HTTP Headers

Jeff Jarvis is angsty, and he wants to know how many people subscribe to his feeds via some of the hosted aggregation services [FeedLounge, Bloglines, Google Reader, etc.]. In his rant, he points to an entry about sending forward the number of subscr…

]]> By: BrianShih.com » Sorry Jeff, more on RSS caching http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15053 BrianShih.com » Sorry Jeff, more on RSS caching Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:49:27 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15053 [...] This is a follow up to a previous post on RSS caching. I got up today and read your additions and more of the comments on your post, and I see where you’re coming from now. I agree that it’d be nice to see where my content is going. In particular, Seth comments: These services are doing Jeff a favor? Does Jeff pay for caching? Please. It’s a two-way deal: RSS publishers get broader readership and lower bandwidth bills and the services get a business model (they hope). Jeff (and all other RSS publishers) make these businesses possible and it’s neither unreasonable nor arrogant to ask for some basic statistics in return. [...] [...] This is a follow up to a previous post on RSS caching. I got up today and read your additions and more of the comments on your post, and I see where you’re coming from now. I agree that it’d be nice to see where my content is going. In particular, Seth comments: These services are doing Jeff a favor? Does Jeff pay for caching? Please. It’s a two-way deal: RSS publishers get broader readership and lower bandwidth bills and the services get a business model (they hope). Jeff (and all other RSS publishers) make these businesses possible and it’s neither unreasonable nor arrogant to ask for some basic statistics in return. [...]

]]> By: Jon Lester http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15034 Jon Lester Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:12:48 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15034 I don't think you really need much of an ego to care about your content, which is your intellectual property. I don’t think you really need much of an ego to care about your content, which is your intellectual property.

]]> By: seth http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15030 seth Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:54:41 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15030 These services are doing Jeff a favor? Does Jeff pay for caching? Please. It's a two-way deal: RSS publishers get broader readership and lower bandwidth bills and the services get a business model (they hope). Jeff (and all other RSS publishers) make these businesses possible and it's neither unreasonable nor arrogant to ask for some basic statistics in return. These services are doing Jeff a favor? Does Jeff pay for caching? Please. It’s a two-way deal: RSS publishers get broader readership and lower bandwidth bills and the services get a business model (they hope). Jeff (and all other RSS publishers) make these businesses possible and it’s neither unreasonable nor arrogant to ask for some basic statistics in return.

]]> By: cruel to be kind: Yes, I want those numbers too http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15021 cruel to be kind: Yes, I want those numbers too Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:46:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15021 [...] If you just see it as an egoistical usage, please go on and blog about it or give a comment. It helps me to get to know you, because in the world I am living in, those numbers matter. Not to pimp my ego, not to go around and talk about them, but as information for myself if you appreciate the work I am doing here or if there is room for improvement. [...] [...] If you just see it as an egoistical usage, please go on and blog about it or give a comment. It helps me to get to know you, because in the world I am living in, those numbers matter. Not to pimp my ego, not to go around and talk about them, but as information for myself if you appreciate the work I am doing here or if there is room for improvement. [...]

]]> By: d.w. http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15017 d.w. Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:58:19 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15017 The web is (aggressively) cached. Deal. The web is (aggressively) cached. Deal.

]]> By: Google Vs » Blog Archive » 100 Google Blog Search Urls About “Him” http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15009 Google Vs » Blog Archive » 100 Google Blog Search Urls About “Him” Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:05:16 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-15009 [...] My content, my readers, my numbers, damnit [...] [...] My content, my readers, my numbers, damnit [...]

]]> By: daudder http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14910 daudder Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:01:28 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14910 So, will you pay for the cache-ing? You wnat the benefits bit not the costs. So, will you pay for the cache-ing? You wnat the benefits bit not the costs.

]]> By: » Jarvis is Ranting http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14907 » Jarvis is Ranting Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:58:02 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14907 [...] Stats, stats, stats, that is what it is all about. Jarvis is more forthcoming than most. Why do I care? Because I have an ego. Because I want to see how much RSS I serve and learn about it. Because I want to see how efficient my advertising is. And just because. Damnit. [...] [...] Stats, stats, stats, that is what it is all about. Jarvis is more forthcoming than most. Why do I care? Because I have an ego. Because I want to see how much RSS I serve and learn about it. Because I want to see how efficient my advertising is. And just because. Damnit. [...]

]]> By: BrianShih.com » Jeff Jarvis and Memorandum garbage http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14905 BrianShih.com » Jeff Jarvis and Memorandum garbage Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:42:30 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14905 [...] I’d hoped memorandum was better than this. Jeff Jarvis complains about My Yahoo and other RSS readers “stealing” his feed by caching it and not telling him how many hits the cached copy gets. It may sound like a lot of whining, but it gets better. [...] [...] I’d hoped memorandum was better than this. Jeff Jarvis complains about My Yahoo and other RSS readers “stealing” his feed by caching it and not telling him how many hits the cached copy gets. It may sound like a lot of whining, but it gets better. [...]

]]> By: » Google Should List RSS Subscribers  InsideGoogle » part of the Blog News Channel http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14901 » Google Should List RSS Subscribers  InsideGoogle » part of the Blog News Channel Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:34:17 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14901 [...] All things considered, I have to assume that Google properties (personalized homepage, Reader) are a significant portion of my RSS subscribers, possibly one of the biggest. So why won’t Google help me publicize that fact? Jeff Jarvis is 100% correct, and there are other good reasons: If I were an RSS advertiser, wouldn’t I need those numbers? Google is hurting RSS as long as it keeps those stats to itself, as is any other feed-caching service that does the same. (via Findory) Posted: November 27, 2005 by Nathan Weinberg in: [...] [...] All things considered, I have to assume that Google properties (personalized homepage, Reader) are a significant portion of my RSS subscribers, possibly one of the biggest. So why won’t Google help me publicize that fact? Jeff Jarvis is 100% correct, and there are other good reasons: If I were an RSS advertiser, wouldn’t I need those numbers? Google is hurting RSS as long as it keeps those stats to itself, as is any other feed-caching service that does the same. (via Findory) Posted: November 27, 2005 by Nathan Weinberg in: [...]

]]> By: Jeff Clavier http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14896 Jeff Clavier Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:24:16 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14896 Rojo used to have the same issue (reporting one pull down of the feed irregardless of the number of suscribers), and they came around to fixing it. I see my numbers dropping hundreds of readers sometimes, just because of an API call issue. I guess that all these services will report their detailed numbers eventually. Rojo used to have the same issue (reporting one pull down of the feed irregardless of the number of suscribers), and they came around to fixing it. I see my numbers dropping hundreds of readers sometimes, just because of an API call issue.
I guess that all these services will report their detailed numbers eventually.

]]> By: Jay Currie http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14874 Jay Currie Sun, 27 Nov 2005 05:04:05 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14874 I agree that having stats is a good thing. But there is no reason why your RSS feed should be sending more than a headline and a sentence. It is easy to set it up so this is exactly what it does and, from an aggregation perspective it is way easier. I have a small aggregator in Canada at http://canada.info-syn.com One of the banes of my existence are people who post long and whose RSS feeds are full post. (By the way...the big bucks are a tiny bit elusive in the aggregator world. If I see ten cents a day, admittely US, I crack open the bottled water.) I agree that having stats is a good thing. But there is no reason why your RSS feed should be sending more than a headline and a sentence. It is easy to set it up so this is exactly what it does and, from an aggregation perspective it is way easier.

I have a small aggregator in Canada at http://canada.info-syn.com One of the banes of my existence are people who post long and whose RSS feeds are full post.

(By the way…the big bucks are a tiny bit elusive in the aggregator world. If I see ten cents a day, admittely US, I crack open the bottled water.)

]]> By: One More Idea » Blog Archive » Caching issues http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14870 One More Idea » Blog Archive » Caching issues Sun, 27 Nov 2005 04:46:13 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/11/26/my-content-my-readers-my-numbers-damnit/#comment-14870 [...] Finally aggregator caching practice is causing A-listers to throw some good tantrums ! Theft analogy by Jeff Jarvis is a pretty significant point. [...] [...] Finally aggregator caching practice is causing A-listers to throw some good tantrums ! Theft analogy by Jeff Jarvis is a pretty significant point. [...]

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