Juan Cole maintains his, well, unique relationship to the facts. He calls me a big supporter of Allawi’s. Here’s what I said when he was chosen in May 2004: “Tonight, NPR’s reporter said outright that he’s corrupt and second in Iraqi contempt only to Chalabi.”
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November 29th, 2005 at 10:30 pm
Doesn’t seem that you “said” anything, just relayed what NPR said about him.
Instead of focusing on this tidbit from Prof. Cole’s post, care to respond to his question: “So what do they have to say now that the bad news is coming from the secular, pro-American politicians and they aren’t playing pollyanna any more?”
November 29th, 2005 at 10:42 pm
So, tony, that was hardly strong support then.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:30 am
Here’s a better question:
Hey Jeff, have any opinions on the Iraq war that you care to share in the light of all the bad news? Funny that as soon as Bush started falling off the earth and the country turned against Iraq, so did the focus of this blog.
November 30th, 2005 at 7:24 am
About half of what Juan Cole says are outright falsification of the actual Iraqi conditions. And his knowledge of Islam for a “Middle East expert” is quite lacking. I am not sure why you even need to reply to such a shady character, Jeff.
Like when Cole calls Sadr’s murderous Mahdi Army that is assassinating secular faculty members in Baghdad universities (see Riverbendblog) - when Cole calls this army a “social movement”.
November 30th, 2005 at 9:30 am
Well, JJ, if an intelligent and well informed pundit like Juan Cole sees you as a supporter of Alawi, there’s a high chance that this ‘misperception’ isn’t his fault but that you made serious mistakes in presenting your true position. Think about it.
November 30th, 2005 at 9:54 am
well informed and intelligent?? I hope you are joking. Are you so gullible you believe everything this “insurgent supporter” says? If Cole is intelliegent, then Jeff is a Genius.
November 30th, 2005 at 9:57 am
Really, the more I’m thinking about it, the more I’m annoyed about your reaction on Cole’s judgement that you’re a ‘big supporter’ of Alawi. Instead of hesitating for some minutes, wondering what may have went wrong in communicating your opinion on Alawi, you dig and dig in your archive to find a quote that’s somewhat critical of this guy. And what did you find?
“Tonight, NPR’s reporter said outright that he’s corrupt and second in Iraqi contempt only to Chalabi.” Now wait a minute. This isn’t exactly your opinion, you’re only citing a NPR reporter. Did you further elaborate on it? Yes: “Haven’t seen any reaction about him on Iraqi blogs yet.” Hmm, no real position shown here. Maybe you offered your wisdom in the sentence before the quote? “The Iraqi governing council has picked a new leader: British-educated neurologist, former exile, and Shia Iyad Allawi.”
The statement that he’s an “British-educated neurologists” leaves me with a more positive impression, not much of a critical viewpoint offered here. And these three sentences are the whole posting, there’s nothing else.
And this is the harshest criticism on Alawi you could find in your archive? Now, if you’re endorsing the view that Alawi is corrupt, you should have at least one explicit statement that you could cite. Makes me wonder how your other “rants’ on this guy look like. And you are REALLY surprised that Juan Cole got the impression that you’re a “big supporter” of this crook?
JJ, really, try to put aside the obvious fact that you don’t like Juan Cole, but you should show some self-criticism in cases like this one.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:11 am
Gray… Back away from the Kookaid, man….
I never supported Allawi but you’re saying that if Juan Cole says I did it must be true and I just don’t know it.
Time for deprogramming, fella.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:13 am
Kat, I have the impression that Juan Cole is more intelligent than JJ. This isn’t meant to make JJ look small, he possibly is more intelligent than me. And Cole sure is better informed on Iraqi affairs and the middle east in general than JJ. But it’s just my personal opinion, ok? Maybe you’re one of the most erudite pundits on Islam and middle east countries, and an intelligence marvel, so you’re better fitted to judge this. Just maybe.
But back to the topic: Do you believe that JJ’s quote is convincing in showing that he’s not a big supporter, but a critic of Alawi?
November 30th, 2005 at 10:20 am
Hmm, what’s a kookaid? Microwave oven plus TV dinner? Guilty!
It happens I trust the opinion of Juan Cole more than yours. Pls see this in the proper context, I would always follow your advice if the alternative was coming from one of those freepers, ok?
So pls don’t be so snarky. Do you really have no other piece of Alawi critic to offer than the one above? This one isn’t really impressive. And don’t you think that maybe Cole’s ‘misperception’ is based on some errors you made in presenting your real opinion?
November 30th, 2005 at 10:24 am
Listen to yourself: You trust Cole’s opinon about the facts of what I have said more than you trust me about what I have said. He said I was a strong supporter of Allawi. I was not and there was no evidence I was. Fact it: Cole is wrong. He fucked up h is facts. What was that explosion I just heard? Your world destroyed? Sorry.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:47 am
JJ, you’re supposed to be a media pundit. This is the kind of discussion you encourage in a public content? Pls be more specific about the point I made and less four letter words, pls :-/
New try: You say that Cole’s judgement that you’re a “big supporter” is wrong (let’s forget the next sentence). Well, I believe you when you say that you’re not a “big supporter”, but this isn’t the point.
To make this more clearly, an example: What would you think about the position of a blogger who addresses the topic “Saddam Hussein” by talking about his education and his racial bckground, quoting a critical reporter, and closing with ‘“Haven’t seen any reaction about him on Iraqi blogs yet.â€. Would you have the impression this guy is a critic or somewhat supportive of Saddam? And if the other comments of this blogger show no real criticism, too, don’t you think that you would become convinced that this guy is in fact a ‘big supporter’?
Imho, the proper reaction on Cole’s (mis)evaluation would have been: “Juan Cole said… Juan Cole is wrong. In my posting at (date) I said… Just in case I have been misunderstood, my position on Alawi is…”
This would have been a stronger, more mature statement than ranting “Juan Cole maintains his, well, unique relationship to the facts.” and then not to present hard facts.
Again, no misunderstanding pls, I only say that, if you don’t have more convincing critics of Alawi, Cole’s misperception is understandable. Let’s search your archives if there are some better ones, doing you justice.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:52 am
Hmm, great search on ‘Allawi’: One hit, and it’s this article. Well, I you really never wrote about Allawi before, I think it’s very unfair to call you a ‘Big supporter’
What’s wrong with this search engine?
November 30th, 2005 at 10:56 am
Jeff,
You seem to be cherry-picking your fight here. It is not just that Dr. Cole’s credentials on the subject of Iraq are in fact much greater then yours, but also that your supposed condemnation of Allawi is nothing of the sort.
Also, would you care to respond to Dr. Cole’s point that over the course of months you consitently praised pro-Allawi reports and lambasted those that were not? Perhaps in your heart of hearts you were really against the man, but the evidence does not show it and your statement that Dr. Cole ‘fucked up his facts’ does not hold water.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:59 am
Jeff,
In the latest exchange, Cole clearly wins (for the reasons that Nindad cites above). Perhaps you should just admit that you shot your mouth off about Iraq without knowing what you were talking about, while attacking those who were better informed than you. Alot of other people did it also.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:06 pm
So nice to see that he has so many cultists who all say the same thing.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:19 pm
I just checked your search engine for ‘Juan Cole’. You made a lot of fuzz about his (unfair?) evaluation that you’re a “big supporter of Allawi”. Hmm, I still don’t know what’s your real position on the Iraqi prome minister, but your sure are not a ‘big supporter’ of Juan Cole. In fact, you said “Juan Cole knows no shame. He blames murdered journalist Steven Vincent for his own murder in Iraq.” when all Dr. Cole did was pointing out that Vincent put himself in clear and imminent danger by beginning a relationship with his (female) Iraqi translater while aggresively critizising Middle East culture. Of course, you the Iraqis have to be blamed for murdering the two lovers, but to simply ignore the danger of ‘honor killing’ in a rural islamic country is really an act of ignorant foolishness. I think, that’s the same kind of suicidal behaviour like walking at night into a dark alley in South Central LA, shouting you hate all black and latino people and that you have 1000 dollars on your pockets. Sure, in an ideal world all that would happen is the police showing up, warning you against disturbing the residents. Wanna bet your life on that?
Juan Cole did just explain that Iraq isn’t the US, and that ignoring this fact may be deadly. You chose to misrepresent his statement, presenting him as a murder apologist, and imho this is much more unfair than simply being called “big supporter of Allawi”. In this light, your posting seems to be very hypocritical.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:23 pm
“So nice to see that he has so many cultists who all say the same thing.”
JJ, when has been the last time you admitted that you were wrong on something? What has to happen for you to come to such a conclusion? Just curious…
November 30th, 2005 at 2:05 pm
An interesting phenomenon in Britain has been the rise of bloggers who have been categorised as “Pro-war and left-wing”, the two not being contradictory.
Leading examples you might look at (and start an argument with, if so inclined) are:
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/
http://www.oliverkamm.typepad.com/
http://www.normblog.typepad.com/
There are plenty of newspaper columnists who could be described as members of the pro-war Left, but it’s interesting to see bloggers getting comparable numbers of visits.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:58 pm
I love how Jeff’s response is to call all questioners “cultists.” Classy. And you really think you’re cut out for academia?
November 30th, 2005 at 4:37 pm
It would have been easy and a strong show of character for JJ to state that he isn’t a big supporter of Allawi, anybody who says this has misunderstood him, and that he didn’t engage in criticising Allawi because he thinks it is obvious that he is just the best of all the bad options (or something like that. However, this would have been a good opportunity to clarify his position).
Instead he ridicules all commenters who simply say that his quote isn’t a convincing example of a critical viewpoint. That’s lame and an evidence of ignorance and stubborness.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:08 pm
This is…well, really weird. Cole said “Jarvis and Sullivan were big supporters of Allawi.” So…wouldn’t (in normal logic) the burden be on Coel to show that Jarvis said something supporting Allawi? Even if Jeff were completely silent on on Allawi, that still wouldn’t make him a “big supporter”, would it? I’m seeing all this noise about how Jarvis should have said more about Allawi, but I’m not sure how non-comment makes him a “big supporter.”
On the other hand, if lack of expressed opinion or silence equals “support” then…..
(1) Juan Cole is a big supporter Britney Spears’ marriage to Kevin Federline.
(2) Gray is a big supporter of legalized marriages between chickens and elephants
I mean, I’ve never heard them criticize those things.
November 30th, 2005 at 7:21 pm
I am a strong supporter of Jeremy in NYC.
November 30th, 2005 at 7:56 pm
jeremy, if JJ never made any comments about Allawi and/or the Iraqi ‘government’, you would be right. But this hasn’t been JJ’s line of argument, and it itsn’t true. Even though the search option here doesn’t work, Google shows 21 hits for Allawi at buzzmachine.
JJ said that the quote “Tonight, NPR’s reporter said outright that he’s corrupt and second in Iraqi contempt only to Chalabi.†is evidence that he’s not a big supporter. A group of commenters said, quoting an NPR reporter without evaluating it doesn’t say anything, and the rest of his post doesn’t offer any insight, either. JJ seems to be reading this comments and it would be quite easy for him to stop this argument by showing a post that’s critical of Allawi. If he can’t do that, he shouldn’t complain that his true position on that guy has been misrepresented.
November 30th, 2005 at 8:03 pm
And I am a strong supporter of the notion that Gray (whoever the hell he or she is) should get a fucking life.
You’ve made your point. It’s full of crap. Cole is wrong. Thus so are you. We disagree. Move on.
November 30th, 2005 at 8:03 pm
Gray, what do you have to say about Cole’s idiotic comment that Sadr and his Mahdi army are a “social movement”. How many professors does Sadr have to kill before Cole figures out that Sadr has something against separation of religion and state?
Besides, you never said what was wrong with Allawi. He is a popular politician who received about 15% of the vote of Iraq, and 40 of 275 parliamentary seats, in the last elections.
November 30th, 2005 at 8:34 pm
heh heh Jeremy, the reason Gray is so silent about legalized marriage between chickens and elephants is because in reality he must be a chicken himself. That is why he is a “big supporter” of such marriage. Otherwise Gray’s own blog will be full of tirades against such (and all other chicken based) reprehensible acts !!
But now that you have so well established the fallacy of Gray’s logic, may I also add that as per Gray’s broken logic, he must be a “big supporter” of torture - as he has never denounced Sadr’s maintenance of private torture chambers and torture killing of 200 dissident Iraqis in Najaf August 2004.
November 30th, 2005 at 8:44 pm
blowback, so what’s JJ complaining about? He want to be known as a staunch opponent of Allawi? Ridiculous.
As for Juan Coles quote, it was no problem finding the posts where he used it since he uses google for site search (listening JJ? Planning for buzzmachine 2.0?). Here’s what he said:
“I am often highly impressed with the intelligence and learning of the military officers I meet at security conferences. But I confess myself deeply puzzled as to how, after being in Iraq for over a year, these bright and well-informed persons could have gotten the Sadrist movement so wrong.
1) It is a longstanding social movement, not just a fly by night militia
….”
Now what’s wrong with this statement? He is talking anout the misunderstanding of the US intelligence that Sadr commands only a small group of militants. Cole says, the numbers are much higher, support is widespread, it’s a social movement. He doesn’t say these are nice people, but he says they should be controlled and taking seriously as an Iraqi power. Really, what’s wrong with that?
NOTE FROM JARVIS: This is the comment Gray said I deleted. See the comment below. The spam filter gave it — the filter’s words — a “retrospanking.” But I did not kill it. And having found it after Gray’s whining, I just restored it. Take all Gray’s complaints below this with that grain of salt.
November 30th, 2005 at 8:57 pm
So you’re making your point by deleting comments, JJ? U prefer rethug commenters using four letter words? I see, just one final comment: You said, I should get a life. Imho, you should get some professional help for your obvious inability in accepting dissent and admitting mistakes.
November 30th, 2005 at 9:12 pm
JJ, shouldn’t you delete all the references to my deleted posts, too? The way it is may be confusing for other readers.
November 30th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
Juan Cole posted an update: “OK, if he says so, I accept it and am sorry if I pegged him wrong.”
Well, there are some bloggers who have the spine to admit mistakes. Other’s don’t, but prefer to delete commenters who point out their errors.
Disclaimer: I’m not Juan Cole, not related to him either,and don’t know him personally. I just like his insightful articles on Iraq that imho are much better than yours.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:06 pm
Were comments deleted in this thread? Why? And shouldn’t it be noted that it happened?
(really need to get working on that “ethics of blogging” paper I’ve been meaning to write)
November 30th, 2005 at 10:30 pm
Michael: Normally, JJ pretends it’s a malfunction of his spam filter when you suddenly can’t post anymore. This time, he just deleted my comments (no, I didn’t use swearing or four letter words). I guess I was pressing too hard for an explanation of his real opinion towards Allawi
If you want to know about JJs ethics, search this site for Juan Cole and compare his accusation of Cole being a murder apologist with JJs whining about being called a “big supporter of Allawi”. So much for the “ethics of blogging” here!
November 30th, 2005 at 11:40 pm
Gray, there is no doubt Cole is a MURDER APOLOGIST, as long as the murder is committed by Islamists that he identifies with. Furthermore, it would be absolutely correct to be a supporter of Allawi. In fact 15% of the country of Iraq voted for Allawi in free and unfettered elections over and above the oh-so pious clerics of SCIRI and Dawa.
Gray, since you are defending the unconscionable Cole over here, what do you have to say about Cole’s position that the Talibanate of Falluja should have been allowed to exist and operate, and the carbomb factories and IED factories in Falluja should have remained unmolested last year?
Isn’t that an endorsement of repression and fascism by the so-called progressive Mr. Cole?
And why does he call carbombers that lure 120 day laborers to their deaths as “guerrillas”, legitimizing these murderers? Why are the death squads of the Mahdi army branded a “social movement” by Cole? Do you have any idea? Before you go around accusing JJ and others - you better defend your own idol.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:44 pm
Yes Gray, it is so nice to see the unconscionable Cole have to admit to an error and apologize to JJ for Cole’s derogatory remarks. Now if Mr. Cole would only apologize to the Iraqis for insulting them by his attempts to legitimize the bloody murderers and childrenkillers masquerading as “guerillas” and “the resistance”.
December 1st, 2005 at 12:19 am
Zimmer - did you know that Juan Cole would NOT allow posting of ANY comments on his blog for 3 whole years, and until very recently, when he finally acquiesced and allowed readers to post pre-approved comments?
And did you further know that posting at Juan Cole’s blog is not automatic? Before your comment is posted, he delays them and examines them, and if it does not meet his approval, such as if it is a critical comment, he does NOT ALLOW the post appear.
December 1st, 2005 at 3:55 am
Blowback, you do understand that by deleting Gray’s posts–which were midly phrased and rational disagreements with the point–Jeff is now operating just like Cole?
You’ve lost all credibility in my book, Jeff. Deleting posts with sober disagreement and then not acknowledging that is, well, messed up. And before you off on one of your “Who are you?” rants, try this: I go on TV more than you Jarvis! That must really kill you.
December 1st, 2005 at 4:00 am
Jeff really can’t claim to be an authority on blogger ethics at all anymore, can he? Thank God.
December 1st, 2005 at 9:23 am
Just noticed the “pondscum” tag on this post. I thought we had moved beyond such childish personal attackes (not allowed by the site’s “rules of engagement”, btw)…
December 1st, 2005 at 9:59 am
Gray: I didn’t delete any comments. The spam filter just picked up your latest complaining about that — smart, that filter — and I approved the comment and now it appears there. Unlike your hero, I let all the comments go up. I did not see any others caught by the filter that did not go up. Like much else, it’s in your imagination.
Zimmer: I deleted no comments on this thread. I reserve the right to do so anytime. This is my house and I’ll kick anybody out if I so choose. Don’t like it? Get your own. Those are the house rules.
Tony: Guess not.
December 1st, 2005 at 10:02 am
This amusing: I just found Gray’s comment buried with the viagra in the spam filter. It said he had bad karma and gave him a “retrospanking.” But the comment is now recovered. So there. You have something else to retract, Gray.
December 1st, 2005 at 10:09 am
I just discovered the meaning of “retrospanking.’ Spam Karma put all Gray’s comments in this thread with the viagra. I restored them all, I think. I may have missed one among the hundreds of spam. If I did, Gray, just repeat yourself. You’re used to it.
I am switching spam software. My son is testing the new one from WordPress now. Until then, Spam Karma is the bouncer. if you see something disappear, let me know and if it’s not abhorrent, I will restsore it. See, I restored Gray’s comments.
And by the way, Cole did not approve one of my comments. So there.
December 1st, 2005 at 10:32 am
Jeff - Thanks for the clarification. Just sounded like perhaps some were deleted; guess it was a faulty spam filter. Agree that you can do whatever you want with your site, but I hope you continue your practice of making mention when comments are indeed deleted.
December 1st, 2005 at 10:49 am
Oh, I don’t know whether it was a faulty spam filter, just overzealous.
(And yes, to the humorless among you — and you don’t know who you are — that’s a joke.)
December 1st, 2005 at 1:45 pm
Nice you put my comments, back, thx JJ
You say it has been the spam filter - hmm, this really is a weird software, never encountered this before. Fact is, as of about 8:30, all my comments were gone. At least I couldn’t see them anymore and I couldn’t post with firefox anymore. The 8:44 comment must have been stuck in the filter ‘pipeline’, I wrote that at about 8:20. After switching to IE, my comments here were still gone (I checked the Katrina thread, old postings were ok), but I was able to post again at 8:57. Of course, I suspected that you were administrating the system, since I never experienced a spam filter retroactively blocking comments before. And you seemed to be a little bit, erh, annoyed at 8:00. In hindsight, I think I was too stubbornly insisting on a clarification of your post, sry. I still think it would have been good, but wtf.
Nice to be back. But I’m sure looking forward towards that new spam filter!
December 1st, 2005 at 1:53 pm
Blowback, in fact you are implying that Cole has a lot of hidden motives and wants to hurt US personal in Iraq. None of you accusations can be proven, this is just a bad cospiracy theory. There really isn’t anything we could discuss here, since your not talking about facts, but about your one sided interpretation of the facts. This would lead nwohere, ok? And I don’t even know why I’m telling you this, since you’re obviously nothing more than an insulting troll.
December 1st, 2005 at 1:55 pm
“You have something else to retract, Gray.”
Hmm, JJ, this would go a little bit too far. You want me to apologize for alegedly being deleted by your ’spam filter’? No way.
December 1st, 2005 at 5:12 pm
My favorite line from the perfessur’s rebuttal:
If I’m accused of not being able to get a clear picture of where he stands, I plead guilty.
Seems to be a habit (note the stealth correction to his original post).
December 1st, 2005 at 7:26 pm
Bongo: Blowback, you do understand that by deleting Gray’s posts–which were midly phrased and rational disagreements with the point–Jeff is now operating just like Cole?
For Cole and Gray to accuse JJ of being a “big supporter” of Allawi for not publishing denounciations and condemnations of Allawi, is not a “rational disagreement”. It is a Stalinist witch hunt cum Islamist video taped confession of “enemies of God”.
Any sane person would consider it highly IRRATIONAL for Gray to demand that JJ to denounce Allawi on his blog. As Jeremy has pointed out, JJ is not in the business of denouncing all that he does not like.
Get a life Gray and Bongo. You western reactionary-leftists dont have a leg to stand up on. I am sorry that Stalinist televised confessions and denounciations are not in vogue in this part of the world, and you should take your so-called “rational” interrogation technique to Ramadi or Tehran where it has more currency - and where you western reactionary leftists will certainly feel more at home.
December 1st, 2005 at 7:38 pm
“So what do they have to say now that the bad news is coming from the secular, pro-American politicians and they aren’t playing pollyanna any more?â€
That Allawi is building a coalition with the Sunnis and thus makes wildly exaggerated claims in the run-up to the election. Much like Ted Kennedy.
December 1st, 2005 at 7:55 pm
Gray: Blowback, in fact you are implying that Cole has a lot of hidden motives and wants to hurt US personal in Iraq. None of you accusations can be proven, this is just a bad cospiracy theory.
These are your implications, not mine. Juan Cole is so obviously ideological in his rantings and this to his discredit. His prejudice against the establishement of a democratic order in Iraq, is so astounding, that it indeed makes you wonder what his motives may be - as you have noticed.
I am not accusing Cole of being a paid agent - that is your words. His ideological preferences for the establishment of a religious society at the expense of a free and open society is self-evident and speaks volumes. Cole is a deeply religious person himself, once being a card carrying member of the Bahai cult believing in theistic rubbish, and all of this is well documented. He has now turned against Bahai officialdom, but still is a firm believer in such rubbish. Go to the Usenet to view his rantings in support of angels and a god and the prophets (Baha’ulla, Mohammad) and other such anti-rational and anti-scientific low-class and low-intellect tripe. No wonder reactionary pro-Islamist leftists like yourself have taken a liking to his deranged opinion as you see him a BIG SUPPORTER of Islamism, which you find as a “rational” counterbalance to the western discourse.
As they say in my country, “water must be flowing uphill” for Herr Professor Dr. Juan Cole to claim that the death squads of Sadr’s Mahdi Army is a “social movement”. Or to claim the Salafi suicide bomber who is seeking 72 virgins in the other world, and blowing up a marketplce and 85 innocent individuals, and maiming and burning 200 others, to be a “guerrila legitimate resistance fighter”.
December 1st, 2005 at 8:24 pm
Zimmer: … but I hope you continue your practice of making mention when comments are indeed deleted.
And is Juan Cole going to post a note everytime he BLOCKS a comment submission by JJ or myself or others, on his blog?
I mean that guy is BUFFERING and BLOCKING any critical comment. And the Cole-cultists have NOTHING to say about it?
Since you cannot post your criticism on Cole’s blog, you might as well post them here.
Gary, you are now in a Stalinist interrogation room. I want you to DENOUNCE Cole for BUFFERING and BLOCKING comments on his blog. If you do not denounce Cole, I will have to conclude you are a BIG SUPPORTER of said intellectually corrupt person (for blocking criticism). I will have to conclude that YOU ARE IN FAVOR of buffering and blocking commentary and in favor of intellectual corruption.
December 2nd, 2005 at 1:30 am
Gray: Blowback, in fact you are implying that Cole has a lot of hidden motives …
But what does Juan Cole insinuate? He has called the two liberal and secular bloggers Mohammad and Omar who provide the best Iraqi blog “IRAQ THE MODEL” as paid agents of the Americans. Go and do a search for Cole’s attack on the Fadhila brothers and weep.
Your cult-master does not even abide by your oh-so self-righteous rants.
And then Cole had to once again apologize for victimizing a blogger -http://www.mahmood.tv/index.php/blog/1494
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