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	<title>Comments on: For shame, ABC</title>
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		<title>By: chelemer</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-100938</link>
		<dc:creator>chelemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people at ABC are not stupid, they just wanted to exploit Mel Gibson&#039;s antisemitism for big profits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people at ABC are not stupid, they just wanted to exploit Mel Gibson&#8217;s antisemitism for big profits.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-27869</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend that just got out of prison after 20 years. While in prison he was giving Methadone so he has a habit on about 30 Mg. They releaed him with no ID or Medeal covrege. so he can&#039;t get on a program or go to a Dr. This is ceazy, they gave him a few bottles and said good luck. I was hoping that you might help in this matter. I don&#039;t even know if I&#039;m writing this in the right place. Well may-be some one can help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend that just got out of prison after 20 years. While in prison he was giving Methadone so he has a habit on about 30 Mg. They releaed him with no ID or Medeal covrege. so he can&#8217;t get on a program or go to a Dr. This is ceazy, they gave him a few bottles and said good luck. I was hoping that you might help in this matter. I don&#8217;t even know if I&#8217;m writing this in the right place. Well may-be some one can help.</p>
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		<title>By: Ozdachs</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17872</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozdachs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABC views the world through entertainment lenses, so I guess their PR-focused insensitivity with a Holocaust mini-series should be no surprise.  I&#039;m still shaking my head over the ABC radio decision yesterday to slot Richard Pryor&#039;s death over that of Senator Gene McCarthy&#039;s in their hourly news.  There&#039;s something very Disney Dumbo in their view of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABC views the world through entertainment lenses, so I guess their PR-focused insensitivity with a Holocaust mini-series should be no surprise.  I&#8217;m still shaking my head over the ABC radio decision yesterday to slot Richard Pryor&#8217;s death over that of Senator Gene McCarthy&#8217;s in their hourly news.  There&#8217;s something very Disney Dumbo in their view of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: MrBuddwing</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17815</link>
		<dc:creator>MrBuddwing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glyn:

I remember a few years ago that when the British actress Vanessa Redgrave was picked to play a Jewish Holocaust victim in a big movie, there were organized protests against her choice; because she was and is extremely pro-Palestinian. In fact, she did what everyone agreed was an excellent job.

Me:

Ah, yes. I remember. One of those who objected was Fania Fenelon, the woman whose real-life story was being portrayed by Vanessa Redgrave. When Fenelon protested the casting of the pro-Palestinian Redgrave to play her, the producers kicked into freedom-of-expression mode and charged ahead. I don&#039;t know what Fenelon thought of the end result, or even if she saw the film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glyn:</p>
<p>I remember a few years ago that when the British actress Vanessa Redgrave was picked to play a Jewish Holocaust victim in a big movie, there were organized protests against her choice; because she was and is extremely pro-Palestinian. In fact, she did what everyone agreed was an excellent job.</p>
<p>Me:</p>
<p>Ah, yes. I remember. One of those who objected was Fania Fenelon, the woman whose real-life story was being portrayed by Vanessa Redgrave. When Fenelon protested the casting of the pro-Palestinian Redgrave to play her, the producers kicked into freedom-of-expression mode and charged ahead. I don&#8217;t know what Fenelon thought of the end result, or even if she saw the film.</p>
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		<title>By: Glyn</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17553</link>
		<dc:creator>Glyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems a little bit early to make any negative judgements about Mel Gibson&#039;s project.

I remember a few years ago that when the British actress Vanessa Redgrave was picked to play a Jewish Holocaust victim in a big movie, there were organized protests against her choice; because she was and is extremely pro-Palestinian. In fact, she did what everyone agreed was an excellent job.

Maybe that&#039;s what will happen here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems a little bit early to make any negative judgements about Mel Gibson&#8217;s project.</p>
<p>I remember a few years ago that when the British actress Vanessa Redgrave was picked to play a Jewish Holocaust victim in a big movie, there were organized protests against her choice; because she was and is extremely pro-Palestinian. In fact, she did what everyone agreed was an excellent job.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s what will happen here.</p>
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		<title>By: The Zoner</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17528</link>
		<dc:creator>The Zoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Passion is not anti-semitic. If Jesus was in Africa, then Africans would have killed him. The people that had him crucified represent the entire human population. The people weeping for him were also Jews. I guess people see what they want to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Passion is not anti-semitic. If Jesus was in Africa, then Africans would have killed him. The people that had him crucified represent the entire human population. The people weeping for him were also Jews. I guess people see what they want to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17389</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 05:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure many people have parents with views that are different to their own. My dad lives in an area where he rarely comes into contact with anyone who isn&#039;t white and, though I wouldn&#039;t say he was racist, he has some odd ideas that are completely at odds with my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure many people have parents with views that are different to their own. My dad lives in an area where he rarely comes into contact with anyone who isn&#8217;t white and, though I wouldn&#8217;t say he was racist, he has some odd ideas that are completely at odds with my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17384</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lengthier article I read about the whole thing contained several instances of Gibson not only tap-dancing around whether or not his father was a Holocaust denier but also doing the same about the question of his own beliefs on the issue with statements about how lots of people died in World War II, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lengthier article I read about the whole thing contained several instances of Gibson not only tap-dancing around whether or not his father was a Holocaust denier but also doing the same about the question of his own beliefs on the issue with statements about how lots of people died in World War II, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17383</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

I have read you a long time - but - I have just removed you and your blog from Bloglines. Your Jewish/Zionist supremacy is just too much. Many of us lowly white gentiles just can&#039;t quite do anything as well as you and your fellow  Jewish supremacists, huh? Well, I don&#039;t have to hear it all the time on the major networks, major film studios, major newspaper chains &lt;i&gt;and the blogosphere as well&lt;/i&gt;.

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I have read you a long time &#8211; but &#8211; I have just removed you and your blog from Bloglines. Your Jewish/Zionist supremacy is just too much. Many of us lowly white gentiles just can&#8217;t quite do anything as well as you and your fellow  Jewish supremacists, huh? Well, I don&#8217;t have to hear it all the time on the major networks, major film studios, major newspaper chains <i>and the blogosphere as well</i>.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: tim wg</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17378</link>
		<dc:creator>tim wg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 03:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is &quot;but it is obvious that Mel doesnâ€™t SHARE his fatherâ€™s beliefs.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is &#8220;but it is obvious that Mel doesnâ€™t SHARE his fatherâ€™s beliefs.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tim wg</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17376</link>
		<dc:creator>tim wg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 03:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its digusting to keep reviving the holocaust as a moral lesson because we clearly haven&#039;t learned anything.

Doesn&#039;t the recent African genocides mean anything?

It&#039;s time to move on. The holocaust is bad, but other genocides should get equal treatment or perhaps more because they happened in modern times. Yet I truly think Liberal distain with President Bush makes the prevention of such genocide impractical due to the lack of military commitment.

Also, the digust of Mel Gibson is completely wrongheaded. I shouldn&#039;t have to explain why, but it is obvious that Mel doesn&#039;t shall his father&#039;s beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its digusting to keep reviving the holocaust as a moral lesson because we clearly haven&#8217;t learned anything.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t the recent African genocides mean anything?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to move on. The holocaust is bad, but other genocides should get equal treatment or perhaps more because they happened in modern times. Yet I truly think Liberal distain with President Bush makes the prevention of such genocide impractical due to the lack of military commitment.</p>
<p>Also, the digust of Mel Gibson is completely wrongheaded. I shouldn&#8217;t have to explain why, but it is obvious that Mel doesn&#8217;t shall his father&#8217;s beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: richard mcenroe</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17368</link>
		<dc:creator>richard mcenroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 01:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what do you think is going to happen?  Do you believe they&#039;re going to be shoveled onto the boxcares leaking hoarded gold and wailing, &quot;Oi! If only we hadn&#039;t murdered the Messiah in our greedy pride!&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what do you think is going to happen?  Do you believe they&#8217;re going to be shoveled onto the boxcares leaking hoarded gold and wailing, &#8220;Oi! If only we hadn&#8217;t murdered the Messiah in our greedy pride!&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: EverKarl</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17357</link>
		<dc:creator>EverKarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Holocaust has already been the subject of &lt;a href=&quot;http://imdb.com/title/tt0077025/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;two&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://imdb.com/title/tt0267188/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;miniseries.&lt;/a&gt;  And I doubt any network would air anything worse than &lt;a href=&quot;http://imdb.com/title/tt0096725/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;War and Rememberance.&lt;/a&gt;  I suspect Gibson wants to do something that will answer -- and please -- his critics.  I would bet we won&#039;t see unsourced demonic children appearing in this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Holocaust has already been the subject of <a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0077025/" rel="nofollow">two</a> <a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0267188/" rel="nofollow">miniseries.</a>  And I doubt any network would air anything worse than <a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0096725/" rel="nofollow">War and Rememberance.</a>  I suspect Gibson wants to do something that will answer &#8212; and please &#8212; his critics.  I would bet we won&#8217;t see unsourced demonic children appearing in this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17344</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Holocaust is one story where truth must trump emotion and innuendo.  To get this experience wrong would be a shame on those responsible for leading humans to progress, much like the Holocaust itself. The Holocaust is an historical event not entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Holocaust is one story where truth must trump emotion and innuendo.  To get this experience wrong would be a shame on those responsible for leading humans to progress, much like the Holocaust itself. The Holocaust is an historical event not entertainment.</p>
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		<title>By: C Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17336</link>
		<dc:creator>C Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>APF: I did read it -- I wasn&#039;t referring to the mini-series, I was referring to the way in which publicity for it was generated.  My point, though not made very clearly, was that ABC views finding people who will deny an historical event as good publicity for a mini-series on that event (irrespective of how good the mini-series is).  Where I see denial of the holocaust as painful (and not honest questioning), I was dismayed to read that ABC sees it as &quot;good for publicity.&quot;  I hope the miniseries is a good one, but even if it is, I&#039;m dismayed about their attitude toward building an audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>APF: I did read it &#8212; I wasn&#8217;t referring to the mini-series, I was referring to the way in which publicity for it was generated.  My point, though not made very clearly, was that ABC views finding people who will deny an historical event as good publicity for a mini-series on that event (irrespective of how good the mini-series is).  Where I see denial of the holocaust as painful (and not honest questioning), I was dismayed to read that ABC sees it as &#8220;good for publicity.&#8221;  I hope the miniseries is a good one, but even if it is, I&#8217;m dismayed about their attitude toward building an audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17332</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

Clearly you have some animosity to Mel Gibson.  However, I was surprised that you stooped to the level of holding him responsible for his father&#039;s views.  What does that have to do with anyting?  That was a shameless guilt by association charge.  I&#039;m actually surprised and very disappointed you actually wrote something like that, because your views are generally very considered.  Would you be comfortable posting all of your father&#039;s views on every major issue, so that we can judge you in a similar fashion?

I also question your comments regarding the Holocaust.  I&#039;m not Jewish, so perhaps my point of view isn&#039;t as &quot;real&quot; as yours, but why is this particular episode in history off limits?  It was a modern horror, but I&#039;m certain we can find other episodes in human history of ghastly exterminations - the sack of Jerusalem by the crusaders perhaps?  My point is not to compare atrocities.  I just don&#039;t think anything should be off limits.  Why can&#039;t drama tell the story of the holocaust?  

I agree wholeheartedly that Quinn Taylor&#039;s comments were cynical and disgusting.  Certainly a television drama has boundless potential for trivializing the holocaust.  But shouldn&#039;t we wait to see it before we condemn it?

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>Clearly you have some animosity to Mel Gibson.  However, I was surprised that you stooped to the level of holding him responsible for his father&#8217;s views.  What does that have to do with anyting?  That was a shameless guilt by association charge.  I&#8217;m actually surprised and very disappointed you actually wrote something like that, because your views are generally very considered.  Would you be comfortable posting all of your father&#8217;s views on every major issue, so that we can judge you in a similar fashion?</p>
<p>I also question your comments regarding the Holocaust.  I&#8217;m not Jewish, so perhaps my point of view isn&#8217;t as &#8220;real&#8221; as yours, but why is this particular episode in history off limits?  It was a modern horror, but I&#8217;m certain we can find other episodes in human history of ghastly exterminations &#8211; the sack of Jerusalem by the crusaders perhaps?  My point is not to compare atrocities.  I just don&#8217;t think anything should be off limits.  Why can&#8217;t drama tell the story of the holocaust?  </p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly that Quinn Taylor&#8217;s comments were cynical and disgusting.  Certainly a television drama has boundless potential for trivializing the holocaust.  But shouldn&#8217;t we wait to see it before we condemn it?</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: APF</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17320</link>
		<dc:creator>APF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C Bennett: I think it&#039;s obvious you didn&#039;t read the article.  This miniseries isn&#039;t presenting a controversy over whether the Holocaust happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C Bennett: I think it&#8217;s obvious you didn&#8217;t read the article.  This miniseries isn&#8217;t presenting a controversy over whether the Holocaust happened.</p>
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		<title>By: C Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17311</link>
		<dc:creator>C Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was so hurt reading the quote from ABC about the benefits of &#039;controversy&#039; with no reference to its context.  The controversy in point is whether six million Jews from tiny babies to the elderly were exterminated -- to view both sides of this discussion as equally plausible and identify the discussion as &quot;publicity&quot; was so painful to read.  

Perhaps ABC can find some people who deny that Columbine occurred or that the tsunami actually killed people or that the little girl in Florida wasn&#039;t really killed by being buried alive -- three more mini-series with &quot;attention-getting value&quot; once the &quot;controversy&quot; is taped and put into 60-second spots.  

With this approach to human tragedy, the greater the calamity, the greater the &quot;controversy&quot; associated with its denial and the greater the publicity.  I pray I never have a job that encourages this level of cynicism 

I can hardly believe this callousness toward the memory of those who perished and the pain of those families that survive.  It is painful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was so hurt reading the quote from ABC about the benefits of &#8216;controversy&#8217; with no reference to its context.  The controversy in point is whether six million Jews from tiny babies to the elderly were exterminated &#8212; to view both sides of this discussion as equally plausible and identify the discussion as &#8220;publicity&#8221; was so painful to read.  </p>
<p>Perhaps ABC can find some people who deny that Columbine occurred or that the tsunami actually killed people or that the little girl in Florida wasn&#8217;t really killed by being buried alive &#8212; three more mini-series with &#8220;attention-getting value&#8221; once the &#8220;controversy&#8221; is taped and put into 60-second spots.  </p>
<p>With this approach to human tragedy, the greater the calamity, the greater the &#8220;controversy&#8221; associated with its denial and the greater the publicity.  I pray I never have a job that encourages this level of cynicism </p>
<p>I can hardly believe this callousness toward the memory of those who perished and the pain of those families that survive.  It is painful.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should the holocaust of Jews in WWII be singled out for no-drama-allowed? Should it be okay to portray WWII at all? After all, we must not exploit the emotions of war for the sake of drama or think that drama can adequately tell the story. Oh, wait...Steven Spielberg (Saving Private Ryan) and others did that just fine. What about the Soviet gulag? Can drama adequately tell &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; story? Why not be honest about the whole thing, Jeff? The problem is it is MEL GIBSON. How dare a Gentile try to tell the story! Truth be told, Mel Gibson (and other non-Jewish directors) are looked down on in Hollywood by the elite who believe only &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; can &quot;convey emotion through drama.&quot; Singling out one horrible chapter in history for some sort of &quot;special&quot; status is not just wrong - it is immoral. That&#039;s not anti-semitic, it&#039;s just the truth. Sometimes the truth is often side-stepped and ignored by using that &quot;anti-semitic&quot; label - that, too, is immoral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should the holocaust of Jews in WWII be singled out for no-drama-allowed? Should it be okay to portray WWII at all? After all, we must not exploit the emotions of war for the sake of drama or think that drama can adequately tell the story. Oh, wait&#8230;Steven Spielberg (Saving Private Ryan) and others did that just fine. What about the Soviet gulag? Can drama adequately tell <i>that</i> story? Why not be honest about the whole thing, Jeff? The problem is it is MEL GIBSON. How dare a Gentile try to tell the story! Truth be told, Mel Gibson (and other non-Jewish directors) are looked down on in Hollywood by the elite who believe only <i>they</i> can &#8220;convey emotion through drama.&#8221; Singling out one horrible chapter in history for some sort of &#8220;special&#8221; status is not just wrong &#8211; it is immoral. That&#8217;s not anti-semitic, it&#8217;s just the truth. Sometimes the truth is often side-stepped and ignored by using that &#8220;anti-semitic&#8221; label &#8211; that, too, is immoral.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17304</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, Mel&#039;s rumored delusions about the holocaust are irrelevant.  The trivialization of the atrocities in order to sell a sappy, television, love drama are the issue here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, Mel&#8217;s rumored delusions about the holocaust are irrelevant.  The trivialization of the atrocities in order to sell a sappy, television, love drama are the issue here.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy S.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17302</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Mel deny the Holocaust?  Then who cares what his dad thinks.  May be Mel is doing it to show his dad that it did happen.

&quot;I wonâ€™t even get into the way in which Conservative Christians uses Jews for their own machinations.&quot;  Why not Jimmy?  Because you can&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Mel deny the Holocaust?  Then who cares what his dad thinks.  May be Mel is doing it to show his dad that it did happen.</p>
<p>&#8220;I wonâ€™t even get into the way in which Conservative Christians uses Jews for their own machinations.&#8221;  Why not Jimmy?  Because you can&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: Carson Fire</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17295</link>
		<dc:creator>Carson Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine, a suit making decisions for all the wrong reasons. And I suppose the recent upswing in Hollywood films friendly to Christians and families is due to a selfless desire to create quality entertainment, and not just Hollywood suddenly realizing there&#039;s money to be made.

If the Narnia film is made right, nobody&#039;s going to complain that the studio suits didn&#039;t set the ball rolling for altruistic purposes. So far, audiences who care about Narnia are reporting that they were faithful to the themes that mattered.

What should be more worrisome, actually, is that Mel may be making the movie simply to prove something he shouldn&#039;t have to prove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine, a suit making decisions for all the wrong reasons. And I suppose the recent upswing in Hollywood films friendly to Christians and families is due to a selfless desire to create quality entertainment, and not just Hollywood suddenly realizing there&#8217;s money to be made.</p>
<p>If the Narnia film is made right, nobody&#8217;s going to complain that the studio suits didn&#8217;t set the ball rolling for altruistic purposes. So far, audiences who care about Narnia are reporting that they were faithful to the themes that mattered.</p>
<p>What should be more worrisome, actually, is that Mel may be making the movie simply to prove something he shouldn&#8217;t have to prove.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17290</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sorry, anti-Semitism resides much more on the Left these days.&lt;/i&gt;

That remark is just too silly to even comment on.  I won&#039;t even get into the way in which Conservative Christians uses Jews for their own machinations.

Second, while I was no fan of Gibson&#039;s Passion movie it wasn&#039;t because of the violence or any sort of anti-Semitism.  It was the way in which he marketed the film with a trumped up controversy about anti-Christian Hollywood, used the sensible concerns of ADL to fan the flames of that controversy, and how churches became little more than moneychangers in the Temple to market the film.

Third, I disagree with your assertion that &quot;...we must not exploit the emotions of the Holocaust for the sake of drama or think that drama can adequately tell the story.&quot;  Granted, it should be respectful, but some of the finest films about the Holocaust, including Schindler&#039;s List, were upfront and honest about the horrors of the Holocaust.  We have to confront the disgusting nature of the Holocaust in order to fully understand what was allowed to happen.  Now, I have concerns about a man whose own father questions the validity of the Holocaust and believes Jews are the world&#039;s scourge making this film.  However, the mistake made by the ADL is that they condemned The Passion of the Christ before it was ever seen.  We have to see what Gibson makes before we can judge it in any way.  Gibson, by the way, disavows his father&#039;s beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sorry, anti-Semitism resides much more on the Left these days.</i></p>
<p>That remark is just too silly to even comment on.  I won&#8217;t even get into the way in which Conservative Christians uses Jews for their own machinations.</p>
<p>Second, while I was no fan of Gibson&#8217;s Passion movie it wasn&#8217;t because of the violence or any sort of anti-Semitism.  It was the way in which he marketed the film with a trumped up controversy about anti-Christian Hollywood, used the sensible concerns of ADL to fan the flames of that controversy, and how churches became little more than moneychangers in the Temple to market the film.</p>
<p>Third, I disagree with your assertion that &#8220;&#8230;we must not exploit the emotions of the Holocaust for the sake of drama or think that drama can adequately tell the story.&#8221;  Granted, it should be respectful, but some of the finest films about the Holocaust, including Schindler&#8217;s List, were upfront and honest about the horrors of the Holocaust.  We have to confront the disgusting nature of the Holocaust in order to fully understand what was allowed to happen.  Now, I have concerns about a man whose own father questions the validity of the Holocaust and believes Jews are the world&#8217;s scourge making this film.  However, the mistake made by the ADL is that they condemned The Passion of the Christ before it was ever seen.  We have to see what Gibson makes before we can judge it in any way.  Gibson, by the way, disavows his father&#8217;s beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17286</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean trivializing the Holocaust for the sake of sappy drama is necessary?  Thanks Mel!</description>
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		<title>By: PSGInfinity</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/07/for-shame-abc/#comment-17282</link>
		<dc:creator>PSGInfinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Jeff, but I&#039;ve got to disagree with you.  We live in an era when a British prince thought it was cool to wear a Nazi armband to a costume party and Liberal activists equate an ordinary president with one of History&#039;s bottom five most vile monsters.  The stories need to be retold, in ALL of their horror.  Complete with CGI-renditions of the living skeletons our GI&#039;s found at Auschwitz, Mauthausen, Bergen-Belsen and similar death factories.

The actual disgusting shame is that only Mel is willing to do (even some) of what&#039;s necessary...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Jeff, but I&#8217;ve got to disagree with you.  We live in an era when a British prince thought it was cool to wear a Nazi armband to a costume party and Liberal activists equate an ordinary president with one of History&#8217;s bottom five most vile monsters.  The stories need to be retold, in ALL of their horror.  Complete with CGI-renditions of the living skeletons our GI&#8217;s found at Auschwitz, Mauthausen, Bergen-Belsen and similar death factories.</p>
<p>The actual disgusting shame is that only Mel is willing to do (even some) of what&#8217;s necessary&#8230;</p>
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