Comments on: Splitting newsrooms and hairs http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:40:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Washington Post shows it values accuracy, audience engagement | NewspaperTurnaround.Com http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-441563 Washington Post shows it values accuracy, audience engagement | NewspaperTurnaround.Com Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:17:21 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-441563 [...] the fact that it comes from a Top 5 major American newspaper that has been criticized strongly for allowing “the print guys” to win must offer a glimmer of hope to new media thought leaders such as Jay Rosen, Craig Silverman and [...] [...] the fact that it comes from a Top 5 major American newspaper that has been criticized strongly for allowing “the print guys” to win must offer a glimmer of hope to new media thought leaders such as Jay Rosen, Craig Silverman and [...]

]]> By: ‘My Job Is To Watch The White House Like A Hawk’ | Got Access News http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-388627 ‘My Job Is To Watch The White House Like A Hawk’ | Got Access News Fri, 02 Jan 2009 00:13:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-388627 [...] added further insight into how he sees his job in an entry on the Post’s blog (via BuzzMachine): There is undeniably a certain irreverence to the column. But I do not advocate policy, liberal [...] [...] added further insight into how he sees his job in an entry on the Post’s blog (via BuzzMachine): There is undeniably a certain irreverence to the column. But I do not advocate policy, liberal [...]

]]> By: ‘My Job Is To Watch The White House Like A Hawk’ | Latest Technology News - Business News And Expert Advice http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-388619 ‘My Job Is To Watch The White House Like A Hawk’ | Latest Technology News - Business News And Expert Advice Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:13:12 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-388619 [...] added further insight into how he sees his job in an entry on the Post’s blog (via BuzzMachine): There is undeniably a certain irreverence to the column. But I do not advocate policy, liberal [...] [...] added further insight into how he sees his job in an entry on the Post’s blog (via BuzzMachine): There is undeniably a certain irreverence to the column. But I do not advocate policy, liberal [...]

]]> By: ‘My Job Is To Watch The White House Like A Hawk’ | Business Opportuinty Buzz And Web News http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-388616 ‘My Job Is To Watch The White House Like A Hawk’ | Business Opportuinty Buzz And Web News Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:50:28 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-388616 [...] added further insight into how he sees his job in an entry on the Post’s blog (via BuzzMachine): There is undeniably a certain irreverence to the column. But I do not advocate policy, liberal [...] [...] added further insight into how he sees his job in an entry on the Post’s blog (via BuzzMachine): There is undeniably a certain irreverence to the column. But I do not advocate policy, liberal [...]

]]> By: The Enlightened Redneck » Dan Froomkin Should Be Ashamed http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-388611 The Enlightened Redneck » Dan Froomkin Should Be Ashamed Thu, 01 Jan 2009 19:14:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-388611 [...] Froomkin added further insight into how he sees his job in an entry on the Post’s blog (via BuzzMachine): There is undeniably a certain irreverence to the column. But I do not advocate policy, liberal or [...] [...] Froomkin added further insight into how he sees his job in an entry on the Post’s blog (via BuzzMachine): There is undeniably a certain irreverence to the column. But I do not advocate policy, liberal or [...]

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » One newsrooms, two newsrooms, or none? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18827 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » One newsrooms, two newsrooms, or none? Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:35:11 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18827 [...] Jay argues persuasively that in l’affaire Froomkin, the ability of online monarch Jim Brady to make appropriate decisions for the dot-com apart from newsroom king Len Downie is productive: They’re not equals (780 in one newsroom vs. 65 in the other; fewer than one million subscribers vs. eight million users), but Washington and Arlington have their own spheres. Over the newspaper and reporting beats Len Downie is king. Over the website Jim Brady is sovereign. Over the user’s experience no one has total control. There’s tension because there’s supposed to be tension. It makes for a more dynamic site. [...] [...] Jay argues persuasively that in l’affaire Froomkin, the ability of online monarch Jim Brady to make appropriate decisions for the dot-com apart from newsroom king Len Downie is productive: They’re not equals (780 in one newsroom vs. 65 in the other; fewer than one million subscribers vs. eight million users), but Washington and Arlington have their own spheres. Over the newspaper and reporting beats Len Downie is king. Over the website Jim Brady is sovereign. Over the user’s experience no one has total control. There’s tension because there’s supposed to be tension. It makes for a more dynamic site. [...]

]]> By: CaNN :: We started it. http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18510 CaNN :: We started it. Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:27:08 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18510 [...] THE CLUELESS, destructive, and snobbish territoriality between print and online is killing newspapers …. (buzzmachine) [...] [...] THE CLUELESS, destructive, and snobbish territoriality between print and online is killing newspapers …. (buzzmachine) [...]

]]> By: John Davidson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18484 John Davidson Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:47:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18484 Jim S. -- I haven't voted for a Republican since 1988. You embarass yourself with your assumptions of me, and it exposes your partisan bigotry. Jim S. — I haven’t voted for a Republican since 1988. You embarass yourself with your assumptions of me, and it exposes your partisan bigotry.

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » The emperors’ new underwear http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18412 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » The emperors’ new underwear Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:12:49 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18412 [...] : Some are positioning l’affaire Froomkin as political: See Kos. Others are gamely trying to laugh it off as a turf war over a home page. See Aschenblog. Some see it as resistance to change: See Yelvington — “It’s time to change your people, or change your people.” I see it as that and as a war of journalistic worldviews about alleged objectivity vs. transparency. [...] [...] : Some are positioning l’affaire Froomkin as political: See Kos. Others are gamely trying to laugh it off as a turf war over a home page. See Aschenblog. Some see it as resistance to change: See Yelvington — “It’s time to change your people, or change your people.” I see it as that and as a war of journalistic worldviews about alleged objectivity vs. transparency. [...]

]]> By: AlanDownunder http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18397 AlanDownunder Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:48:30 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18397 Judy Miller called Scooter Libby a "former hill staffer" when he was actually the Veep's Chief of Staff. John Harris calls his only named or identified complainant a "rightwing blogger" when he is actually a paid party operative. If this is Harris' initiative, he should stop pretending to be an objective editor of White House news reporters and try to wangle a pundit column. If this is a party's initiative, Harris has a story he's sitting on in best Miller/Woodward tradition. Note to Fotos, Davison et al ... This post confines itself to journalism. Substitute red for blue and it's all the same as far as the journalism comment is concerned. Judy Miller called Scooter Libby a “former hill staffer” when he was actually the Veep’s Chief of Staff. John Harris calls his only named or identified complainant a “rightwing blogger” when he is actually a paid party operative.

If this is Harris’ initiative, he should stop pretending to be an objective editor of White House news reporters and try to wangle a pundit column.

If this is a party’s initiative, Harris has a story he’s sitting on in best Miller/Woodward tradition.

Note to Fotos, Davison et al …
This post confines itself to journalism. Substitute red for blue and it’s all the same as far as the journalism comment is concerned.

]]> By: Jim S http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18371 Jim S Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:38:54 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18371 Notice how any criticism of this Administration's actions is pure Bush bashing? Wouldn't Bush have to have made no mistakes or done anything wrong in any way for that to be true? Oh, yeah, I forgot what passes for reality in the world of people like John Davidson, Dave in Boca and Christopher Fotos. Republicans do no wrong. Does anyone else ever get the feeling that these people don't really like our system and would be perfectly happy with a one party system and a president-for-life? They'll deny this, of course but from the kinds of things they post I think the only opposition party they'd be happy with would be a party that didn't really provide any opposition. Notice how any criticism of this Administration’s actions is pure Bush bashing? Wouldn’t Bush have to have made no mistakes or done anything wrong in any way for that to be true? Oh, yeah, I forgot what passes for reality in the world of people like John Davidson, Dave in Boca and Christopher Fotos. Republicans do no wrong. Does anyone else ever get the feeling that these people don’t really like our system and would be perfectly happy with a one party system and a president-for-life? They’ll deny this, of course but from the kinds of things they post I think the only opposition party they’d be happy with would be a party that didn’t really provide any opposition.

]]> By: P. http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18344 P. Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:18:46 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18344 Historically, newspapers' practice of trying to achieve balance arose when publishers noticed that if they took a distinctly one-sided approach to news, they lost all the readers on the other side and some of their own, who wanted to know more than just the party line. Journalists found they liked balance because, while it was a constraint, it was a less difficult collar to wear than they'd have when they had to stick to the party line. Ad salesmen liked it because they could take a nickel from either side. No one knows if Froomkin is being read only by the left, but I suspect that's the case. Now, it's true that in a climate where a lot of people think the administration is lying half the time, "objectivity" loses some of its cachet, and frankly, I don't know what the solution to that is. I do know that the public doesn't really have a lot of patience for being told again and again that the president is lying. I think that in the long run, the only thing to do is to stick to your guns and try to be fair and to avoid taking positions. Historically, newspapers’ practice of trying to achieve balance arose when publishers noticed that if they took a distinctly one-sided approach to news, they lost all the readers on the other side and some of their own, who wanted to know more than just the party line. Journalists found they liked balance because, while it was a constraint, it was a less difficult collar to wear than they’d have when they had to stick to the party line. Ad salesmen liked it because they could take a nickel from either side. No one knows if Froomkin is being read only by the left, but I suspect that’s the case.
Now, it’s true that in a climate where a lot of people think the administration is lying half the time, “objectivity” loses some of its cachet, and frankly, I don’t know what the solution to that is. I do know that the public doesn’t really have a lot of patience for being told again and again that the president is lying. I think that in the long run, the only thing to do is to stick to your guns and try to be fair and to avoid taking positions.

]]> By: Robert Feinman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18335 Robert Feinman Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:30:37 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18335 Check Josh Marshall for latest on this as having been started by political operative Patrick Ruffini. Here is the link: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/007245.php This is starting to smack of the indecency TV claims sent to the FCC being all traceable to one family values organization. The use of modern agents provocateurs by the admin is now standard operating procedure. Check Josh Marshall for latest on this as having been started by political operative Patrick Ruffini.

Here is the link:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/007245.php

This is starting to smack of the indecency TV claims sent to the FCC being all traceable to one family values organization.

The use of modern agents provocateurs by the admin is now standard operating procedure.

]]> By: John Davidson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18330 John Davidson Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:07:15 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18330 "wouldn't" have such an obvious... “wouldn’t” have such an obvious…

]]> By: John Davidson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18329 John Davidson Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:06:25 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18329 interesting way of dodging the issue, ch2. The point is that Froomkin sets himself up as some sort of altruistic truth-detector, yet shines his pious beacon of light only on the president and then acts surprised when people assume he has an agenda. There's no column called "Harry Reid's Briefing", even though the Senator puts out press releases either for himself or the minority party on a daily basis, and the same is true for Pelosi in the House. Maybe if the Post had an attack dog like Froomkin on the front lines of every battle (how about a column that went after Senate & House leadership on both sides of the aisle for starters) then maybe Froomkin's quest for responsibility would have such an obvious partisan air about it. interesting way of dodging the issue, ch2.

The point is that Froomkin sets himself up as some sort of altruistic truth-detector, yet shines his pious beacon of light only on the president and then acts surprised when people assume he has an agenda. There’s no column called “Harry Reid’s Briefing”, even though the Senator puts out press releases either for himself or the minority party on a daily basis, and the same is true for Pelosi in the House. Maybe if the Post had an attack dog like Froomkin on the front lines of every battle (how about a column that went after Senate & House leadership on both sides of the aisle for starters) then maybe Froomkin’s quest for responsibility would have such an obvious partisan air about it.

]]> By: Suburban Guerrilla » Smackdown http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18298 Suburban Guerrilla » Smackdown Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:42:04 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18298 [...] insists on mixing reporters with political hacks on talk shows. Talk about blurring the line! Permalink| [...] [...] insists on mixing reporters with political hacks on talk shows. Talk about blurring the line! Permalink| [...]

]]> By: Jeff Jarvis http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18297 Jeff Jarvis Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:21:42 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18297 Ethan: That was from a strange spammer; it's gone now. Ethan: That was from a strange spammer; it’s gone now.

]]> By: Ethan http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18245 Ethan Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:32:32 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18245 what the hell is that stuff up above.. what the hell is that stuff up above..

]]> By: Know More Media http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18233 Know More Media Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:16:08 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18233 <strong>We Drink Their Kool-Aid</strong> While our inspiration in 1999 was Scott Kurnit and Jeff Jarvis, in 2005 it was the people we met and heard from at the Business Blog Summit and BlogOn. Please forgive the shameless name-dropping but it was the ideas, enthusiasm, and encouragement of se... We Drink Their Kool-Aid

While our inspiration in 1999 was Scott Kurnit and Jeff Jarvis, in 2005 it was the people we met and heard from at the Business Blog Summit and BlogOn. Please forgive the shameless name-dropping but it was the ideas, enthusiasm, and encouragement of se…

]]> By: Dave in Boca http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18231 Dave in Boca Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:26:06 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18231 Looks like a strange loonie has hijacked what was a one-sided discussion praising Froomkin's Bush-bashing. E.g., Froomkin today mentioned that a poll [USA Today?] of Iraqis has two-thirds against continued US "occupation." Duh.... What Froomkin doesn't mention is that over seventy percent of Iraqis think things are getting better. That doesn't fit Froomkin's Bush-bashing script. Liberals leave out any positive "good" news and accentuate any negative "bad" news. It's called agitprop and is an old liberal hard-left practice. Works every time in demoralizing the home front unless spinners follow the media/academia nihilists who say the glass is half empty. Read Thomas Sowell in RealClearPolitics or Prof Socolow in, surprise!, today's Boston Globe. Looks like a strange loonie has hijacked what was a one-sided discussion praising Froomkin’s Bush-bashing. E.g., Froomkin today mentioned that a poll [USA Today?] of Iraqis has two-thirds against continued US “occupation.” Duh…. What Froomkin doesn’t mention is that over seventy percent of Iraqis think things are getting better.

That doesn’t fit Froomkin’s Bush-bashing script.

Liberals leave out any positive “good” news and accentuate any negative “bad” news. It’s called agitprop and is an old liberal hard-left practice.

Works every time in demoralizing the home front unless spinners follow the media/academia nihilists who say the glass is half empty.

Read Thomas Sowell in RealClearPolitics or Prof Socolow in, surprise!, today’s Boston Globe.

]]> By: The Heretik http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18221 The Heretik Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:50:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18221 <strong>DANIEL IN THE WRITERS DEN</strong> DANIEL UPSET THE RULERS of the kingdom and now Froomkin finds himself among the lions. Or the hyenas. Or the high and mighty political writers at the Washington Post. The writers may be high and might be mighty sorry DANIEL IN THE WRITERS DEN

DANIEL UPSET THE RULERS of the kingdom and now Froomkin finds himself among the lions. Or the hyenas. Or the high and mighty political writers at the Washington Post. The writers may be high and might be mighty sorry

]]> By: Mike Clay http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18220 Mike Clay Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:39:59 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18220 Awesome post. Awesome post.

]]> By: ch2 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18218 ch2 Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:41:45 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18218 Poor Mr. Davidson is confused. Let me see if I can explain. Dan Froomkin's column is called "White House Briefings". Does that refer to Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi or 'anyone else' than Bush. Ok. So he focuses on Bush, who ALSO happens to lie like a m*ther-f@cker. So Dan has plenty of material, all provided by Bush's own mendacity. Does a writer start to develop a distate for a serial lier he covers ? Probably. But if so, what's your point ? Poor Mr. Davidson is confused.

Let me see if I can explain.

Dan Froomkin’s column is called

“White House Briefings”.

Does that refer to Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi or ‘anyone else’ than Bush.
Ok.
So he focuses on Bush, who ALSO happens to lie like a m*ther-f@cker. So Dan has plenty of material, all provided by Bush’s own mendacity.

Does a writer start to develop a distate for a serial lier he covers ? Probably. But if so, what’s your point ?

]]> By: John Davidson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18217 John Davidson Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:11:23 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18217 Froomkin's problem is that holding the president accountable (is there anything more nebulous than this time-honored cliche of the gumshoes taking aim at The Man? How about holding every member of Congress responsible? How about holding local D.C. officials responsible? How about holding the opposition responsible?) often involves the opposition's talking points. Froomkin doesn't need John Kerry--he can hold Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, or anyone else responsible for the truth, too. But he rarely does. Which I suppose means that the only liar in Washington these days is Bush. Froomkin’s problem is that holding the president accountable (is there anything more nebulous than this time-honored cliche of the gumshoes taking aim at The Man? How about holding every member of Congress responsible? How about holding local D.C. officials responsible? How about holding the opposition responsible?) often involves the opposition’s talking points. Froomkin doesn’t need John Kerry–he can hold Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, or anyone else responsible for the truth, too. But he rarely does. Which I suppose means that the only liar in Washington these days is Bush.

]]> By: Jorge http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/13/splitting-newsrooms-and-hairs/#comment-18199 Jorge Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:18:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=893#comment-18199 An honest person only cares that Mr Froomkin is reporting from the side of truth. Give the reader the facts and they can form their own conclusion. We God fearing people love the truth. That's probably why we hate it when the Administration lies to us. Spinning a lie into a fact is bearing false witness. An honest person only cares that Mr Froomkin is reporting from the side of truth. Give the reader the facts and they can form their own conclusion. We God fearing people love the truth. That’s probably why we hate it when the Administration lies to us. Spinning a lie into a fact is bearing false witness.

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