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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sucked into the web</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/17/one-newsrooms-two-newsrooms-or-none/#comment-206429</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sucked into the web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There&#8217;s some irony in the departure of John Harris, the Post&#8217;s political editor, to the web, considering the kerfuffle he had with WashingtonPost.com. And Harris himself makes the point that he&#8217;s not abandoning print. Says Kit Seelye in The Times: It is too soon to say whether the departures of Mr. Harris and Mr. VandeHei are early evidence of a migration by veteran print journalists away from ink-on-paper reporting. â€œNo one should interpret this as people are taking flight from the old media,â€ Mr. Harris said. â€œThis is a time, obviously, of change and unquestionable anxiety for the news business as a whole, but neither of us felt anxiety about our roles or pessimism about the robust future of The Post.â€ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There&#8217;s some irony in the departure of John Harris, the Post&#8217;s political editor, to the web, considering the kerfuffle he had with WashingtonPost.com. And Harris himself makes the point that he&#8217;s not abandoning print. Says Kit Seelye in The Times: It is too soon to say whether the departures of Mr. Harris and Mr. VandeHei are early evidence of a migration by veteran print journalists away from ink-on-paper reporting. â€œNo one should interpret this as people are taking flight from the old media,â€ Mr. Harris said. â€œThis is a time, obviously, of change and unquestionable anxiety for the news business as a whole, but neither of us felt anxiety about our roles or pessimism about the robust future of The Post.â€ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: honglian8</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/17/one-newsrooms-two-newsrooms-or-none/#comment-20488</link>
		<dc:creator>honglian8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2005 04:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoâ€™s trainable and whoâ€™s really needed. 


&lt;a href="http://www.honglian8.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;kaf,gd,cpr,aid,first,aid
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoâ€™s trainable and whoâ€™s really needed. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.honglian8.com" rel="nofollow">kaf,gd,cpr,aid,first,aid<br />
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		<title>By: CaNN :: We started it.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/17/one-newsrooms-two-newsrooms-or-none/#comment-19313</link>
		<dc:creator>CaNN :: We started it.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ONE NEWSROOM, two newsrooms, or none? New news: The fear factor &#8230;. (buzzmachine) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ONE NEWSROOM, two newsrooms, or none? New news: The fear factor &#8230;. (buzzmachine) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Merrell Ligons</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/17/one-newsrooms-two-newsrooms-or-none/#comment-19263</link>
		<dc:creator>Merrell Ligons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff although you're writing about newsrooms, a similar problems exists on the business side.  I can't tell you how many organizations struggle with online advertising sales.  Iâ€™ve talked to a number of Advertising Managers who have tried to encourage their existing reps to sell online advertising and more often than not they've opted for a separate advertising staff dedicated to online advertising sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff although you&#8217;re writing about newsrooms, a similar problems exists on the business side.  I can&#8217;t tell you how many organizations struggle with online advertising sales.  Iâ€™ve talked to a number of Advertising Managers who have tried to encourage their existing reps to sell online advertising and more often than not they&#8217;ve opted for a separate advertising staff dedicated to online advertising sales.</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New news: The fear factor</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/17/one-newsrooms-two-newsrooms-or-none/#comment-19055</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New news: The fear factor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Below, I promised to start making more tangible suggestions for remaking newspapers from papers into places. Here&#8217;s a start (they&#8217;ll all be tagged &#8216;newnews&#8217;): [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Below, I promised to start making more tangible suggestions for remaking newspapers from papers into places. Here&#8217;s a start (they&#8217;ll all be tagged &#8216;newnews&#8217;): [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/17/one-newsrooms-two-newsrooms-or-none/#comment-18932</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, JD. Yes, those are both on my list: Who's trainable and who's really needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, JD. Yes, those are both on my list: Who&#8217;s trainable and who&#8217;s really needed.</p>
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		<title>By: JennyD</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/17/one-newsrooms-two-newsrooms-or-none/#comment-18928</link>
		<dc:creator>JennyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, upend the newsroom. You assume that every reporter and editor in the newsroom is like a powder keg of skill and desire, ready to transform from a caterpillar into a butterfly without the cocoon stage. Wave a wand and poof! they'll reinvent themselves and their work. Hardly.

Doing this requires a lot of learning on the part of current staff. How will you teach them, partly to offer new skills and attitudes, and partly to gain trust.

I recently told a print editot that he should evaluate his newspaper personnel this way: what could I cut tomorrow that READERS wouldn't care about. 

The first things to go would be the local columnists. They;re boring, old, predictable, and not interesting. No one cares, Move them only the web only, and make the blog everyday, and answer comments. But that runs into the heart of the newspaper's reputation and honor. Bad columnists are a sign of strength.

As someone who studies the transition from idea to enactment, I know you've got your work cut out for you. I said more over at Jay's. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, upend the newsroom. You assume that every reporter and editor in the newsroom is like a powder keg of skill and desire, ready to transform from a caterpillar into a butterfly without the cocoon stage. Wave a wand and poof! they&#8217;ll reinvent themselves and their work. Hardly.</p>
<p>Doing this requires a lot of learning on the part of current staff. How will you teach them, partly to offer new skills and attitudes, and partly to gain trust.</p>
<p>I recently told a print editot that he should evaluate his newspaper personnel this way: what could I cut tomorrow that READERS wouldn&#8217;t care about. </p>
<p>The first things to go would be the local columnists. They;re boring, old, predictable, and not interesting. No one cares, Move them only the web only, and make the blog everyday, and answer comments. But that runs into the heart of the newspaper&#8217;s reputation and honor. Bad columnists are a sign of strength.</p>
<p>As someone who studies the transition from idea to enactment, I know you&#8217;ve got your work cut out for you. I said more over at Jay&#8217;s. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: MediaBlog &#187; Twee zielen in een redactie</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/17/one-newsrooms-two-newsrooms-or-none/#comment-18916</link>
		<dc:creator>MediaBlog &#187; Twee zielen in een redactie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The New York Times, USA Today en het NOS Journaal - om er maar drie te noemen - integreren hun redacties, ofwel &#8216;newsrooms&#8217;. Online gaat samen met print, twee zielen in een zaal, maar de vraag is of we daar beter van worden. Alleen als de cultuur op die redacties ook veranderd, zegt blogger Jeff Jarvis. Alleen als alle journalisten verantwoordelijk worden voor al het nieuws, zowel online als in print. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The New York Times, USA Today en het NOS Journaal - om er maar drie te noemen - integreren hun redacties, ofwel &#8216;newsrooms&#8217;. Online gaat samen met print, twee zielen in een zaal, maar de vraag is of we daar beter van worden. Alleen als de cultuur op die redacties ook veranderd, zegt blogger Jeff Jarvis. Alleen als alle journalisten verantwoordelijk worden voor al het nieuws, zowel online als in print. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MediaBlog &#187; USA Today voegt print en web samen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/17/one-newsrooms-two-newsrooms-or-none/#comment-18914</link>
		<dc:creator>MediaBlog &#187; USA Today voegt print en web samen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Voor commentaar op de vraag of een redactie geintegreerd moet zijn of niet, kijk bij Jay Rosen en Jeff Darvis, twee bekende Amerikaanse bloggers over media. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Voor commentaar op de vraag of een redactie geintegreerd moet zijn of niet, kijk bij Jay Rosen en Jeff Darvis, twee bekende Amerikaanse bloggers over media. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/17/one-newsrooms-two-newsrooms-or-none/#comment-18888</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 06:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy vey. News is news. Audience is audience. Writers are writers. 

I sit here in Oregon in a town that only gets the Times in print only on Sundays. I do not make a distinction between print and online. It is all the same. The Times IS the Times. Why WOULD, if one could start from scratch, make these worlds separate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy vey. News is news. Audience is audience. Writers are writers. </p>
<p>I sit here in Oregon in a town that only gets the Times in print only on Sundays. I do not make a distinction between print and online. It is all the same. The Times IS the Times. Why WOULD, if one could start from scratch, make these worlds separate?</p>
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		<title>By: CaptiousNut</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2005/12/17/one-newsrooms-two-newsrooms-or-none/#comment-18863</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptiousNut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not just the medium of information that print media has to adjust to, it is the style of delivery.

Nowadays people are less tolerant of "word of God" monologues - the modus operandi of 90% of print writers.  I am unconvinced that many of them can make the transition to the sourced open-dialogue architecture of the internet.

Furthermore, these print writers are not the best writers in the country.  They have been sheltered from any real competition for decades.  Watching Big Media founder is not schadenfreude but rather a celebration of progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just the medium of information that print media has to adjust to, it is the style of delivery.</p>
<p>Nowadays people are less tolerant of &#8220;word of God&#8221; monologues - the modus operandi of 90% of print writers.  I am unconvinced that many of them can make the transition to the sourced open-dialogue architecture of the internet.</p>
<p>Furthermore, these print writers are not the best writers in the country.  They have been sheltered from any real competition for decades.  Watching Big Media founder is not schadenfreude but rather a celebration of progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I believe the WSJ runs separate newsrooms for print and the Web, there appears to be a much smoother coordination between them than among most other print/online news operations. I'd argue that this stems from a quirk in the WSJ's history that's quite instructive.

Long before there was a Web, reporters at the print WSJ had to file immediate stories for the Dow Jones news service wire throughout the day, as soon as the news occurred. So the paper's internal culture was oriented toward immediate news before the Web site even came along. That greatly smoothed the Journal's transition to the Web--while other newsrooms (including the WashPost's, I know from firsthand experience) grumbled that there was some sort of magic in waiting until 6 pm, to let stories marinate and age before filing them, the Journal reporters already were conditioned to filing news in real time. That made WSJ.com a superb news-breaking online product right out of the box when it launched in 1995. So regardless of how the Journal's newsrooms are set up, its culture historically has been based on immediate, 24/7 story production. That makes a big difference.

Incidentally, at least one top WSJ editor wisely suggested years ago that the Web site should essentially be the primary product; the newspaper, ideally, would be just a snapshot of what was on the Web site at 11 pm. That's not quite true in reality, but philosophically, it's absolutely spot on. All newspapers should think that way: the Web site is the dog and the newspaper is the tail, when it comes to wagging--not the other way around.

For all these reasons and many more, the online WSJ is an outstanding product. I use it multiple times a day and have zero problem paying for the privilege. Like many people I talk to, I actually think it's underpriced. Take that, anti-Web-subscription zealots!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I believe the WSJ runs separate newsrooms for print and the Web, there appears to be a much smoother coordination between them than among most other print/online news operations. I&#8217;d argue that this stems from a quirk in the WSJ&#8217;s history that&#8217;s quite instructive.</p>
<p>Long before there was a Web, reporters at the print WSJ had to file immediate stories for the Dow Jones news service wire throughout the day, as soon as the news occurred. So the paper&#8217;s internal culture was oriented toward immediate news before the Web site even came along. That greatly smoothed the Journal&#8217;s transition to the Web&#8211;while other newsrooms (including the WashPost&#8217;s, I know from firsthand experience) grumbled that there was some sort of magic in waiting until 6 pm, to let stories marinate and age before filing them, the Journal reporters already were conditioned to filing news in real time. That made WSJ.com a superb news-breaking online product right out of the box when it launched in 1995. So regardless of how the Journal&#8217;s newsrooms are set up, its culture historically has been based on immediate, 24/7 story production. That makes a big difference.</p>
<p>Incidentally, at least one top WSJ editor wisely suggested years ago that the Web site should essentially be the primary product; the newspaper, ideally, would be just a snapshot of what was on the Web site at 11 pm. That&#8217;s not quite true in reality, but philosophically, it&#8217;s absolutely spot on. All newspapers should think that way: the Web site is the dog and the newspaper is the tail, when it comes to wagging&#8211;not the other way around.</p>
<p>For all these reasons and many more, the online WSJ is an outstanding product. I use it multiple times a day and have zero problem paying for the privilege. Like many people I talk to, I actually think it&#8217;s underpriced. Take that, anti-Web-subscription zealots!</p>
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		<title>By: Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media &#187; Saturday squibs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media &#187; Saturday squibs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One newsroom, two newsrooms, or none? Jeff Jarvis responds to Jay Rosen, also with compelling arguments. On balance, I&#8217;m with Jay at the moment, but give me a year and we&#8217;ll be at the stage where I&#8217;ll be backing Jeff. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One newsroom, two newsrooms, or none? Jeff Jarvis responds to Jay Rosen, also with compelling arguments. On balance, I&#8217;m with Jay at the moment, but give me a year and we&#8217;ll be at the stage where I&#8217;ll be backing Jeff. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: chuckR</title>
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		<dc:creator>chuckR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does the Wall Street Journal handle it? I subscribed from the get go and have never regretted not having to dispose of 1/3 cubic yard (guesstimate) of dead trees per year. Its my preception that its pretty much the same online and in hand, except it was Best of the Web Today that got me hooked on perusing blogs. And BTW, I never had a problem paying the $60 per year to get the WSJ electronically.

chuckR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does the Wall Street Journal handle it? I subscribed from the get go and have never regretted not having to dispose of 1/3 cubic yard (guesstimate) of dead trees per year. Its my preception that its pretty much the same online and in hand, except it was Best of the Web Today that got me hooked on perusing blogs. And BTW, I never had a problem paying the $60 per year to get the WSJ electronically.</p>
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