“The youngest foetus we have was 18 to 20 foetal weeks,” said US investigating anthropologist P Willey.”

Angelos rants about war deaths – perhaps one tenth of the murders during Saddam’s reign.

there may be as many as 1 million people buried in mass graves from that time period.

….can’t argue —– it nets out to LIVES SAVED!

GA, Truth and Justice? Where? When was the last time a Bush official spoke the truth? Justice = Shipment to Uzbekistan, in your formula.

Yes, I hate religion of the organized variety, any smart person would, having seen the damage it does, and how the mindless are led around by their fear of imaginary beings. But you extrapolated wildily to come up with the rest of your conclusions. It’s what you do.

It would be really silly of me to hate “white people” considering that I am one. I mean, there are specific white people that I hate, but their color has nothing to do with it.

Kat, you’re right. We should ban the web, telephones, TV, newspapers, everything. Uncle George will take care of us. Oh, where should we intern all the blacks, browns, and yellows? I’m thinking Wyoming. Nothing really going on there, and the square shape would be easy to fence. Of course, since we’re warring in Iraq and will soon be in Iran, we’ll need upstanding citizens such as yourself to guard the borders.

Angelos hates (in no particular order) religion, republicans, women, white people and any infringement of civil liberties. He also believes, without question, anything he reads in the NYT.

He’s also incapable of posting any comment without name calling at minimum and a descent into outright obscenity when he really gets rolling.

He’s also in favor of locking up all of the above groups judging from his last statement. Which hardly fits with his champion of civil liberties view of himself, but logical consistency isn’t really needed.

Keep commenting, Angelos. You are doing a mighty fine job of representing your views and winning converts to the side of Truth and Justice.

wow 30,000 to 100,000+! quite a delta. hope your not calibrating lab equipment. naw. civil service is my bet.

Ah Ron, nice try, but no. See, I’m smart enough to be able to differentiate between military action that was valid, justified, and actually successful until it was sabotaged (Afghanistan), and a total clusterfuck of an uncalled for and mismanaged disaster that is Iraq. See, Al Qaeda attacked us, killed 3000 people. So we attacked… Iraq. And killed 30000-100000+ Iraqis. Yeah, that makes sense.

But back to spying… can you all readily give up your basic civil liberties that easily, to such an unqualified moron? It doesn’t bother you? Well, your little minority has the power now, but the nation will survive, I guess. Later on, while we repair the damage, you can rant and rave in your little white padded rooms, about the bad brown people.

Classified vs. Covert. (time to turn the tv off)
there is a distinction. she may have been working with classified material but she was not a covert op. if she was then why wasn’t someone charged with breaking the law?

the front operation you are talking about is Brewster Jennings Associates. its cover was blown well before the “leak”.

also on cracking history books. you might want crack a book on the activities of lincoln, wilson, and fdr to name a few.

Kat, you’re fucking nuts. If your only response to anything anyone posts is to call them a terrorist, well, you done did good learning from Dear Leader, and President Cheney. Why do you hate your freedom so?

Ron, wrong again. I guess the statements of a UN Attorney mean nothing in your world of talking points and semantics. She wasn’t covert, she wasn’t covert! OK, you win. She was classified. And her outing was malicious, intentional, and damaging to national security, and she was involved with many other people and a till-then successful front operation.

not to meddle with your “magical” thinking but Val “pajama game” Plame was not a covert op. her cover was not blown by anybody. she was an analyst. if you know anyone who works for the CIA (I do) they are not all covert. You can know that they work for the agency. It is their responsibility to keep their cover (if indeed they have one) she was not sydney bristow or mrs. kensington. let me boil it down for you. Scooter Libby was indicted for lying about telling the truth about a liar (joe wilson).

In addition, all’s fair in love and media. If the NYT, WaPo, or O’Reilly’s can drum up some news that effects the credibility of our democracy, they should be within their rights to tell the nation. You can’t embrace freedom of the press only when it’s in your favor – you take the good (Anderson Cooper) and the bad (Bill O’Reilly) and then get to bed early. The president says that the leaks have compromised our security. Well, I would hope that all those with access to that kind of information would be under oath and at their level be able to know left from wrong. If he wasn’t full of causeless anger, maybe he’d have bi-partisan support to prevent these levee breaches. It’s a war in our nations capital, and the leaks are just the most recent rounds of mortar fire. Build trust, be a visionary, support a bi-partisan agenda, George, and maybe you’ll have lieutenants outside your party who will watch out for you. Learning English would help, too.

Auguri,

Fred

And that’s really the last word.

There’s no point in arguing about the details of US govt actions in the middle of a war with someone who thinks that the US govt is a bigger problem than the enemy (if there is such a thing). I think this view informs much of the left.

Wouldn’t want to hurt yourself thinking.

I was writing a speech on welfare reform, and the president looks at it and says, “OK, I’ll go with it, but this is not going to get covered. Leak it as far and wide as you can beforehand. Maybe we’ll get something in the paper.” And so I go back to my office and I get a call from a reporter, and he wants to know about foreign affairs or something, and I said, “Hey, you want a leak? I’ll tell you what the president will say tomorrow about welfare reform.” And he took it down and wrote a little story about it. But the FBI was illegally tapping his phone at the time, and so they hear a White House speechwriter say, “Hey, you want a leak?” And so they tapped my phone, and for six months, every home phone call I got was tapped. I didn’t like that. And when it finally broke–it did me a lot of good at the time, frankly, because then I was on the right side–but it told me how easy it was to just take somebody who is not really suspected of anything for any good reason and listen to every conversation in his home–you know, my wife talking to her doctor, my–everything.

I’m much more worried about the threat to my liberty from my own government, than I am from kat’s Koranic bogeymen.

But it is funny to point out that when kat says “Followers of allah have openly and proudly declared they don’t have to obey the very constitution that is the USA.”, she ignores that her own King George doesn’t think he has to either. And what exactly is the “constitution that is the USA?” Bizarre.

Yup, to Koran has a lot of crazy shit in it. So does the Bible. And both books have literalist followers, imbeciles really, that will kill to enforce the tenets of their respective books. Whoopie!

And how this this excuse illegal wiretapping of private American citizens? And what does this have to do with our sending undocumented prisoner to our wonderful “allies” un Uzbekistan to be boiled alive? Are you saying, kat, that your fear of the brown people justifies the spying on and torture of innocents? Torture that only results in faulty information, when the torturees are just willing to anythig to make it stop. A fact that is widely accepted by intelligence experts worldwide? How much false info do we have (and are we acting on) that was extracted via torture?

Keep thumping that bible.

Let me say two things. Number one, I am not speaking to whether or not Valerie Wilson was covert. And anything I say is not intended to say anything beyond this: that she was a CIA officer from January 1st, 2002, forward. I will confirm that her association with the CIA was classified at that time through July 2003. And all I’ll say is that, look, we have not made any allegation that Mr. Libby knowingly, intentionally outed a covert agent. We have not charged that. And so I’m not making that assertion.

Fitzgerald said also broadly about her status in CIA, in the beginning of his press conference: “Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified”. And: “Valerie Wilson’s cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of that cover being blown, was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003.”‘

So Fitzgerald in that press conference doesn’t address her covert status but does speciify that her association with the agency was classified. In addition I notice that the right wingers never address that outing her also destroyed a carefully constructed cover operation and tainted everyone who had ever used it and eliminated its usefulness for any future operations. So your friends most definitely did something that had negative repercussions for American security.