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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m hugging my Treo 650</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Just the Right Brew at The Flack</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/05/im-hugging-my-treo-650/#comment-59881</link>
		<dc:creator>Just the Right Brew at The Flack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 00:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Should PR pros start with the blogosphere&#8217;s influentials to build a viral buzz, or are the Mossbergs and Pogues of the world sufficiently contagious to drive the online buzz? Rubel reports today on gizmodo&#8217;s story about a new digital tablet from SONY that he predicts (erroneously I think) will spell the end of dead tree forms of media consumption. Did SONY purposely plant this item with gizmodo first? Jarvis picked up on Pogue&#8217;s less-than-flattering assessment of the new Treo, and it reverberated in the blogosphere, likely to the chagrin of its maker Palm. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Should PR pros start with the blogosphere&#8217;s influentials to build a viral buzz, or are the Mossbergs and Pogues of the world sufficiently contagious to drive the online buzz? Rubel reports today on gizmodo&#8217;s story about a new digital tablet from SONY that he predicts (erroneously I think) will spell the end of dead tree forms of media consumption. Did SONY purposely plant this item with gizmodo first? Jarvis picked up on Pogue&#8217;s less-than-flattering assessment of the new Treo, and it reverberated in the blogosphere, likely to the chagrin of its maker Palm. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: morituri</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/05/im-hugging-my-treo-650/#comment-23720</link>
		<dc:creator>morituri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own Treo 650 is also firmly hugged.  What I really want is more memory, 3G/UMTS support, and support for WiFi SD cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own Treo 650 is also firmly hugged.  What I really want is more memory, 3G/UMTS support, and support for WiFi SD cards.</p>
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		<title>By: Scote</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/05/im-hugging-my-treo-650/#comment-22763</link>
		<dc:creator>Scote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethan writes, "Locative services != GPS. It uses triangulation with the cell towers (which have long/lat data) to pinpoint a rough location."

I believe that you are only half right. "Locative services" doesn't *necessarily* mean GPS but it often does, as in the case of the Treo and many other cell phones it. You can turn off the "location" feature on a Treo which disables the GPS receiver and then Sprint, for example, uses triangulation as a back up.

But, it seems you can use the GPS on the 700 anymore than on the 650. Wheww. Gadget envy narrowly averted.

It seems that Sprint and other carriers want to sell you the location data that the cell phone you own generates. 

http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/28/telenav-gps-comes-to-sprint/

(Don't tell me about how the cell phone company subsidies the cost of the phone because if I leave my contract early my carrier charges a flat fee that covers the cost of the subsidy--a cost which is not, I might add, pro-rated based on how long I've had the contract which is a kind of damages clause that some think is illegal based on California law regarding contracts.)

There is a thread at treocentral about the AGPS and its possible availability for Location Based Services.

"http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=66803"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethan writes, &#8220;Locative services != GPS. It uses triangulation with the cell towers (which have long/lat data) to pinpoint a rough location.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe that you are only half right. &#8220;Locative services&#8221; doesn&#8217;t *necessarily* mean GPS but it often does, as in the case of the Treo and many other cell phones it. You can turn off the &#8220;location&#8221; feature on a Treo which disables the GPS receiver and then Sprint, for example, uses triangulation as a back up.</p>
<p>But, it seems you can use the GPS on the 700 anymore than on the 650. Wheww. Gadget envy narrowly averted.</p>
<p>It seems that Sprint and other carriers want to sell you the location data that the cell phone you own generates. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/28/telenav-gps-comes-to-sprint/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/28/telenav-gps-comes-to-sprint/</a></p>
<p>(Don&#8217;t tell me about how the cell phone company subsidies the cost of the phone because if I leave my contract early my carrier charges a flat fee that covers the cost of the subsidy&#8211;a cost which is not, I might add, pro-rated based on how long I&#8217;ve had the contract which is a kind of damages clause that some think is illegal based on California law regarding contracts.)</p>
<p>There is a thread at treocentral about the AGPS and its possible availability for Location Based Services.</p>
<p>&#8220;http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=66803&#8243;</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/05/im-hugging-my-treo-650/#comment-22754</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm hugging my PPC-6700 from Sprint, because it does all that this one can do, but at higher resolution, more speed and more capacity with Wi-Fi :) And it cost me the same amount. I hate the PalmOS because its multitasking support sucks.

Locative services != GPS. It uses triangulation with the cell towers (which have long/lat data) to pinpoint a rough location. It'd be nice if they opened an API to it, but I don't see it happening soon. I think you can get zipcode from the tower in the API though.

My dream device would have GPS to do geoloc on the pictures I take, update my location on my blog, etc. Some of the cheapo Nextel phones can do that, it seems silly that my 600+ PPC can't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hugging my PPC-6700 from Sprint, because it does all that this one can do, but at higher resolution, more speed and more capacity with Wi-Fi <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> And it cost me the same amount. I hate the PalmOS because its multitasking support sucks.</p>
<p>Locative services != GPS. It uses triangulation with the cell towers (which have long/lat data) to pinpoint a rough location. It&#8217;d be nice if they opened an API to it, but I don&#8217;t see it happening soon. I think you can get zipcode from the tower in the API though.</p>
<p>My dream device would have GPS to do geoloc on the pictures I take, update my location on my blog, etc. Some of the cheapo Nextel phones can do that, it seems silly that my 600+ PPC can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Marthirial</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/05/im-hugging-my-treo-650/#comment-22750</link>
		<dc:creator>Marthirial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering if Palm OS in the Treo can do this:

Access a mySQL server, update a record and then send the order to backup the database into an specific FTP server which you can later access to confirm it has the backup file and download into internal memory of handheld.

I can do it with Windows Mobile 2003 without extra software to install.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering if Palm OS in the Treo can do this:</p>
<p>Access a mySQL server, update a record and then send the order to backup the database into an specific FTP server which you can later access to confirm it has the backup file and download into internal memory of handheld.</p>
<p>I can do it with Windows Mobile 2003 without extra software to install.</p>
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		<title>By: Scote</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/05/im-hugging-my-treo-650/#comment-22727</link>
		<dc:creator>Scote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John writes, "If only theyâ€™d throw in GPSâ€¦"

And yet my Treo 650, like most newer cell phones including the 700, has GPS already as part of the 911 location service, but apparently the cell phone companies won't let Palm give Treo users access to the location data the phone is generating--or it is possible that Palm decided to withhold this feature on its own, but this seems less likely.

I'm not sure if the GPS data generated by the palm is as accurate as that from an external device like Tom Tom or Garmin, but it would still be very useful to have access to for basic location applications. It seems outrageous that cell phone vendors are such an oligopoly that Palm has to give into their whims--as proven with the way cell phone companies cripple the bluetooh compatibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John writes, &#8220;If only theyâ€™d throw in GPSâ€¦&#8221;</p>
<p>And yet my Treo 650, like most newer cell phones including the 700, has GPS already as part of the 911 location service, but apparently the cell phone companies won&#8217;t let Palm give Treo users access to the location data the phone is generating&#8211;or it is possible that Palm decided to withhold this feature on its own, but this seems less likely.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if the GPS data generated by the palm is as accurate as that from an external device like Tom Tom or Garmin, but it would still be very useful to have access to for basic location applications. It seems outrageous that cell phone vendors are such an oligopoly that Palm has to give into their whims&#8211;as proven with the way cell phone companies cripple the bluetooh compatibility.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/05/im-hugging-my-treo-650/#comment-22720</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a Treo 600 and loved that thing. It was the first all in one device I found myself using consistently on a daily basis. If only they'd throw in GPS...

Thanks,
John
http://www.deliveryblog.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a Treo 600 and loved that thing. It was the first all in one device I found myself using consistently on a daily basis. If only they&#8217;d throw in GPS&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
John<br />
<a href="http://www.deliveryblog.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.deliveryblog.com/</a></p>
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