I Googled for something completely different, but found your page…and have to say thanks. nice read….

Currently, we believe there are four dimensions – the first being an infinitely small spot that has no height, no depth, no width. The second is just height and width but no depth. The third is the 3D space we know so well from living in. The fourth is time.

Einstein’s Theory of Relativity says that these 4 elements comprise a malleable structure that gets altered when mass is placed within them, e.g. you walking down the street. Quantum theory, on the other hand, says that the purpose of these 4 elements that comprise our current understanding of space is to allow things to exist on it, not be altered by it. It suggests that space is constructed of tiny elements such as those you mention, the purpose of which is to accomodate mass without being affected by it. In other words, these two theories disagree on the basic structure of space.

When dealing with the large, the Theory of Relativity makes sense, but when dealing with the small, it is Quantum Theory that makes sense. Both theories have fundamental differences in how they understand the universe.

There’s a whole new world opening up in physics and it bridges the gap between both.

Burkhard Heim, an obscure German physicist, put forward the idea (Heim’s Quantum Theory) that there are 8 dimensions, 4 more than we previously knew about, before he discarded 2 of them. Walter Droscher, another German scientist, has since come along and offered a mathematical theory to support Heim’s original claim of 8 dimensions. It’s known as Heim-Dröscher Space and it is a mathematical description of an eight-dimensional universe which couples the forces of gravity and electromagnetism.

The math is confusing everyone, but if the theory is right (and they have come up with a way of testing it to prove it), it means that hyperspace travel, i.e., travelling to Mars and back in under 5 hours or visiting a star 11 light years away in around 80 days, would be possible.

To answer your questions, I think the particles you mention that exist in Quantum theory probably do exist. Notice that I say probably. In China, scientists have recently completed an experiment which accurately predicted the mass of subatomic particles and also showed that they could not only exist in clusters of 3, but in clusters of 6 as well. So my ‘probably’ comes with evidence.

What I have always found interesting about science is what we do not know, but are constantly working on understanding. Much of our science is incomplete, but I’ll take incomplete knowledge over ancient, man-made stories invented to explain away natural forces, stories that have no basis in fact. We still do not understand everything. Science, as I have said, is incomplete and is not ashamed to admit it, but it is far more interesting than clinging to what some fellow supposedly thought about the universe 2,000 years ago (remember, Jesus didn’t write any books himself. It’s worth keeping in mind that what we have from him is hearsay written decades after his death and subsequently translated into several different versions of his ‘truth’).

When you look up into the sky, you cannot see a black hole through any telescope. It is only by observing the effects of the enormous gravitational force exerted by the black hole on the surrounding stars that we can figure out where it is. We can also figure out where a black hole is by photographing levels of radiation our eyes cannot see. It is the same with Quantum Mechanics. It is the behavior of atomic particles that allows us to understand the properties and behavior of subatomic particles.

When you look at your arm, you cannot see the tiny cells that make up your skin anymore than you can see the miniature dustmites crawling on the tiny hairs of your arm. This does not mean that they are not there. People will say “Aha, just because you can’t see God doesn’t mean God isn’t there.” What makes all the difference is being able to test our theories through the use of our reasoning minds, whether it’s through using the microscope or the telescope or the very advanced equipment used in China to predict the mass of subatomic particles.

God is just an idea. It’s not even a theory since a theory requires evidence to support it. The idea of God does not come with evidence. Science may not currently be able to show me a pretty picture of a subatomic particle, but if I can be shown the math and the observations that support the theory for their existence, I’ll take that over 2000-year-old fables about a superbeing no one has ever been able to prove the existence of.

I’d be interested in your thoughts on the subatomic world. Quarks, bosons, u-mesons, etc. Do these particles exist? And how do you account for them, personally?

Hitler pretended to be a Christian, but, like many modern-day politicians, spoke out of both sides of his mouth

Bill said:

This is how a charismatic leader such as Hitler operates; exploit the religious weakness of the people (most were good Catholics and Lutherans) by introducing your particular philosophy along side their religious beliefs.

Oh my deity, has the world gone mad? Bill and Kat agree with each other!

Wait, don’t forget! When you’re out today with your friends, ask them if they’ve ever tried any of these barley cakes, right from a “steamy” bible recipe, no less:

Ezekiel 4:12: And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.

Yum-yum!

It seems Hitler, like many modern-day politicians, spoke out of both sides of his mouth. And when he didn’t, his lackeys did. It may have been political pandering, just like many of our current politicians who invoke God’s name to gain support.

Also, it seems probable that Hitler, being the great manipulator, knew that he couldn’t fight the Christian churches and their members right off the bat. So he made statements to put the church at ease and may have patronized religion as a way to prevent having to fight the Christian-based church.
I have one more quote to share on this topic. This, again, from David Gehrig: “Let’s save the rhetorical comparisons to Hitler and Nazis for those who really deserve them–hate groups who proudly assume the Nazi mantle, and ‘Holocaust revisionists’ who would fantasize away Hitler’s genocidal crimes.”
Also{Adolf Hitler once ordered his SS troops to level the Vatican with “blood and fire” and kidnap Pope Pius XII, a new book says.

In “Pius XII, Pope of the Jews,” Italian historian Andrea Tornielli reveals that Hitler ordered the destruction of the Vatican and the deportation of Pius XII to Liechtenstein in 1943, in reprisal for the Pontiff´s reported assistance to Jews and for the Church´s opposition to the Nazi regime.

In his work, which has just gone on sale in Italy, Tornielli explains that the “Führer” was livid after the signing of the armistice between the Badoglio government and the Allies on Sept. 8, 1943, and ordered the SS to destroy the Holy See with “blood and fire.”

Hitler´s plan did not materialize, however, thanks to General Karl Wolff, then SS commander in Italy, who succeeded in dissuading the Nazi dictator from this course of action.

Former Italian Minister Giulio Andreotti defended the validity of Tornielli´s thesis last week when he addressed the meeting of the Catholic movement Communion and Liberation. The meeting ended Saturday in this northern coastal city.

Andreotti supported Pius XII and rejected the criticisms leveled against the Pontiff at the end of World War II, accusing him of passivity in face of the Holocaust.

“The hostility against Pope Pacelli was not due to his weakness against Nazism, but to his rejection of Communism,” Andreotti said.

Tornielli´s arguments had already been noted in recent years by historians and scholars, who quoted testimonies and documents from the time of the Nazi occupation of Rome.

Among Pius XII´s defenders is Antonio Gaspari, author of “The Jews, Pius XII, and the Black Legend,” which offers testimonies of Jews in Rome who were saved from the Nazi-Fascist persecution thanks to the help of men and women of the Church, as requested by Pius XII himself.
Pius XII´s actions helped save 800,000 Jewish lives, either directly or indirectly, according to Jewish researcher Pinchas Lapide.

Far from affinity with Hitler, as claimed by Rolf Hochhuth in his play “The Vicar,” Pius XII was actively involved in the German resistance´s plans to remove the tyrant, as revealed in the British Foreign Office documents on the so-called Schwarze Kapelle, which involved Admiral Canaris, Count Von Stauffenberg and other German personalities opposed to the Führer.}
http://home.olemiss.edu/~rrychlak/plan-destroy-vatican/outsideframe.htm
Hitler is like many of today’s leftists–a lapsed catholic or something else lapsed. As G.K. Chesterton pointed out, the problem when people don’t believe in God is not that they believe nothing, it is that they believe anything.”
Have a good day Bill Henry. I am going to celebrate with some orthodox friends today. You are not worth my time. You are a sad little man just like your hero who took his life in that cave. Do you hate Jews like you hate Christians? Here’s a Jew’s perspective:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19064

This is how a charismatic leader such as Hitler operates; exploit the religious weakness of the people (most were good Catholics and Lutherans) by introducing your particular philosophy along side their religious beliefs. You interweave them until they all shout Heil Hitler in unison and away you go; time to conquer the world! Today, people wonder how it was possible for a civilized country such as Germany to follow Hitler into the catastrophe of WW2. The answer is simple. When you have people who believe in such absurdities as Noah’s ark, talking snakes, original sin, heaven, hell, etc, they will be more than happy to follow you to world domination.

By the way, what has giving the land to the Palestinians got for the Israeli’s? Rockets, suicide bombers, and an Iranian extremist.

The Israelis lose again.

http://www.deism.org/frames.htm

Not even close

If there were a “Hall of Infamy” for false prophets, then Pat Robertson would have a wing of it all to himself.

Robertson is oblivious to the damage that he has done to the Christian faith.

Robertson’s delusion of grandeur was seen many years ago when he decided to become a presidential candidate.

Having been rejected by Republican voters, Robertson has appointed himself God’s spokesman.

While acting in his self-appointed role, Robertson proclaimed that an entire Pennsylvania city had evicted God from their community.

I don’t object to Robertson playing the role of the village idiot, but I do object to Robertson making the entire USA his village.

The Christian religion is playing a more active role in America, going so far as trying to turn the clock back by demanding evolution, a proven scientific process, be removed from the science curriculum and replaced by creationism and intelligent design, unproven religious theories with no basis in science. Atheists aren’t the only people alarmed by this desire of conservative Christians to force their unproven, religious views on everybody’s children in public classrooms.

Again, as John Danforth, the moderate Christian and former Missouri Senator, put it:

“Republicans have transformed our party into the political arm of conservative Christians.”

Your “status quo” is actively trying to alter the “basic structure.”

The “First Amendment, traveling in a direction that favors secularism and the humanistic worldview over religion in general and Christianity specifically.

It amazes me how the First Amendment, which protected the public’s free religious exercise from intrusions by the government, now is twisted so that the Establishment Clause is used to sanitize the public square from any mention of God.” — Robert Meyer

Is there an officially atheistic regime which did not slaughter its people nor subvert their right to religious liberty? Atheism won’t admit it, but atheism is a ‘religion’ hell bent on imposing state sponsored atheism on all.

You push to hear the words you want, and when they don’t come you make them up Noel. There you go…telling me what I believe

I want to continue as is, and with our current success.

My words CLEARLY indicated I believe in:

the Status quo – the origin
the SAME level of involvement – not to alter the basic structure.

The “same means: not more – not less.

Only you could f–k that one up.

Let’s see, what did you friend Jesus say? Give up all your earthly possessions and follow me. He said it was easier for a camel to enter through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into Heaven. Sounds to me that the main difference between communism and Christianity is you get into utopia now, instead of waiting until you die! Me? I’ll take good old fashioned atheistic capitalism under the US Constitution every time!