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		<title>By: large round mirrors</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-121898</link>
		<dc:creator>large round mirrors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 02:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good site. Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Who needs critics?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-88301</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Who needs critics?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The day of the scoop is over. And the day of investing in a platform for one critic&#8217;s ego is long gone, as well. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The next Romenesko</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-64780</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The next Romenesko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (I agreed on scoops here.) [...]</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New News: Deconstructing the newspaper</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25808</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New News: Deconstructing the newspaper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again: It is absolutely pointless to be the paper that sends the 15,001st journalist to the political conventions, where nothing happens and what does happen can be seen on C-SPAN and the internet. Sending your own people to the conventions and other gang-up stories is fueled by one motivation: ego. Reporters want to be on what they think is the big &#8212; read: blanketed &#8212; story. And editors want to brag that they sent them. But readers don&#8217;t give a damn. See my post below on the value and cost of scoops and exclus. Following the mob to the story that&#8217;s already over-covered does not serve journalism. It serves the ego or reporters and their institutions. And it wastes money and space and opportunities to cover more important local stories that really matter to readers&#8217; lives. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again: It is absolutely pointless to be the paper that sends the 15,001st journalist to the political conventions, where nothing happens and what does happen can be seen on C-SPAN and the internet. Sending your own people to the conventions and other gang-up stories is fueled by one motivation: ego. Reporters want to be on what they think is the big &#8212; read: blanketed &#8212; story. And editors want to brag that they sent them. But readers don&#8217;t give a damn. See my post below on the value and cost of scoops and exclus. Following the mob to the story that&#8217;s already over-covered does not serve journalism. It serves the ego or reporters and their institutions. And it wastes money and space and opportunities to cover more important local stories that really matter to readers&#8217; lives. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Newspaperindex - the blog &#124; Newspapers of the world, media, free speech and update on the newspaper catalogue Newspaper Index &#187; Time to rethink the scoop mentality?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25773</link>
		<dc:creator>Newspaperindex - the blog &#124; Newspapers of the world, media, free speech and update on the newspaper catalogue Newspaper Index &#187; Time to rethink the scoop mentality?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Link: The value of scoops vs. collaboration; by Jeff Jarvis, BuzzMachine [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CaptiousNut</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25695</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptiousNut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to ask Mike if he was a Big Media guy but a link on his blog confirmed my suspicion.

Big Media content is already excessively &quot;diluted&quot;.  You guys simply do not get it.  No one is buying the products and I guess there has been some directive to go out and blog to defend your ineptitude.

If only it were so easy.

Incidentally, Rich Karlgaard recently did a blog post on &quot;Zero Summers&quot; and then wrote a column on it later.  Not sure if it was by design or aided in the writing process.  One would have to ask him, but it certainly didn&#039;t negatively affect the its outstanding quality.

But then again, the third-stringers at Forbes can out-pen anyone at Bweek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to ask Mike if he was a Big Media guy but a link on his blog confirmed my suspicion.</p>
<p>Big Media content is already excessively &#8220;diluted&#8221;.  You guys simply do not get it.  No one is buying the products and I guess there has been some directive to go out and blog to defend your ineptitude.</p>
<p>If only it were so easy.</p>
<p>Incidentally, Rich Karlgaard recently did a blog post on &#8220;Zero Summers&#8221; and then wrote a column on it later.  Not sure if it was by design or aided in the writing process.  One would have to ask him, but it certainly didn&#8217;t negatively affect the its outstanding quality.</p>
<p>But then again, the third-stringers at Forbes can out-pen anyone at Bweek.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Driehorst</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25593</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Driehorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While you raise some valid points about the benefits of collaboration and scoops, I tend to veer away from having &quot;too many cooks.&quot; 

&quot;Is it better for Steve and Business Week to have held back their story from public view until it was packaged and polished and delivered in print, or to have sought out the best advice on it from an informed public by seeking collaboration via Steveâ€™s blog as the story was being formed? Which produces a better product and a better business?&quot;

While seeking assistance is nice, Stephen Baker has newsrooms filled with other professional journalists, plus the expert sources he did -- and did not -- seek out to assist with his story. Making the story development and writing process public would only drag it out, and dilute the final quality.
-- Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you raise some valid points about the benefits of collaboration and scoops, I tend to veer away from having &#8220;too many cooks.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Is it better for Steve and Business Week to have held back their story from public view until it was packaged and polished and delivered in print, or to have sought out the best advice on it from an informed public by seeking collaboration via Steveâ€™s blog as the story was being formed? Which produces a better product and a better business?&#8221;</p>
<p>While seeking assistance is nice, Stephen Baker has newsrooms filled with other professional journalists, plus the expert sources he did &#8212; and did not &#8212; seek out to assist with his story. Making the story development and writing process public would only drag it out, and dilute the final quality.<br />
&#8211; Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey Exile</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25416</link>
		<dc:creator>Jersey Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I just came back from the Online Publishers Association confab, where I spoke at the end, and I said that we waste too much resource and money on ego: on having our own movie critic, though the movies are the same everywhere and the opinions that matter are those of the audience; on having our own golf writer go to the tournament far away, though the score is the same as the one reported hours before on TV; on sending our own political pundits to the political conventions, when nothing happens there.&lt;/em&gt;

But what&#039;s left when we&#039;ve effaced the ego entirely, Jeff?  While it&#039;s true that the new media works through aggregation and collaboration, remember that what is being aggregated has a significant &quot;old media&quot; component.  Think of the movie criticism site Rotten Tomatoes -- what makes it work is that it turns all of those superfluous movie critics you deride into a fairly good metric of a film&#039;s worth.  Would the site be nearly as useful or well-visited if it were composed only of audience feedback?  Probably not.

Like it or not the ego matters in the new media just as much as it did in the old.  Would I rather read Peter Gammons&#039; take on the 2006 baseball season or YankeeFan647 who thinks the Red Sox are &quot;teh sux0r&quot;?  Here in Boston I have all manners of local quality sportswriting to choose from, as well as websites who specifically aggregate and comment on the old media&#039;s coverage.  While I enjoy the new media&#039;s metacommentary, would it be nearly as valuable or entertaining without a good old fashioned ego-driven commentary at its root?

This is not so much about the value of the &quot;scoop&quot; as it is the singular narrative voice.  Truly no one is disputing the usefulness of the open-source approach in the new media, but does that mean every effort must be a collaborative one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I just came back from the Online Publishers Association confab, where I spoke at the end, and I said that we waste too much resource and money on ego: on having our own movie critic, though the movies are the same everywhere and the opinions that matter are those of the audience; on having our own golf writer go to the tournament far away, though the score is the same as the one reported hours before on TV; on sending our own political pundits to the political conventions, when nothing happens there.</em></p>
<p>But what&#8217;s left when we&#8217;ve effaced the ego entirely, Jeff?  While it&#8217;s true that the new media works through aggregation and collaboration, remember that what is being aggregated has a significant &#8220;old media&#8221; component.  Think of the movie criticism site Rotten Tomatoes &#8212; what makes it work is that it turns all of those superfluous movie critics you deride into a fairly good metric of a film&#8217;s worth.  Would the site be nearly as useful or well-visited if it were composed only of audience feedback?  Probably not.</p>
<p>Like it or not the ego matters in the new media just as much as it did in the old.  Would I rather read Peter Gammons&#8217; take on the 2006 baseball season or YankeeFan647 who thinks the Red Sox are &#8220;teh sux0r&#8221;?  Here in Boston I have all manners of local quality sportswriting to choose from, as well as websites who specifically aggregate and comment on the old media&#8217;s coverage.  While I enjoy the new media&#8217;s metacommentary, would it be nearly as valuable or entertaining without a good old fashioned ego-driven commentary at its root?</p>
<p>This is not so much about the value of the &#8220;scoop&#8221; as it is the singular narrative voice.  Truly no one is disputing the usefulness of the open-source approach in the new media, but does that mean every effort must be a collaborative one?</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik on Broadband : &#187; Gather Them Eyeballs!</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25368</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik on Broadband : &#187; Gather Them Eyeballs!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You want to see a true model of the new-new media, then look at PaidContent. Two reporters, two laptops and a whole lot of money. Staci and Rafat, like true reporters, dig dig dig, and scoop, scoop and scoop. (Sorry Jeff, scoop is the honey that gets the flies!) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You want to see a true model of the new-new media, then look at PaidContent. Two reporters, two laptops and a whole lot of money. Staci and Rafat, like true reporters, dig dig dig, and scoop, scoop and scoop. (Sorry Jeff, scoop is the honey that gets the flies!) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brucc Winter</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25308</link>
		<dc:creator>Brucc Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attribution would seem to be a key component in maintaining the &#039;credit for originality. Customer focus is a major issue, particularly, the contention it is lacking in traditional media.

Consider a newspaper that scores a sponsorship deal for a series on a new, locally developed, technology, for waste management. What&#039;s the key factor in this scenario, first to publish, or taking an originator position,  creating discussion? Which of the three parties media company , sponsor, and audience benefits the most from which action?

Managing the client relationship, while promoting discussion is high risk wire act.  until the value in discussion can be quantified. When that happens, &#039;scoop&#039; takes on new relevancy morphing from destination to origination. Then scoop becomes source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attribution would seem to be a key component in maintaining the &#8216;credit for originality. Customer focus is a major issue, particularly, the contention it is lacking in traditional media.</p>
<p>Consider a newspaper that scores a sponsorship deal for a series on a new, locally developed, technology, for waste management. What&#8217;s the key factor in this scenario, first to publish, or taking an originator position,  creating discussion? Which of the three parties media company , sponsor, and audience benefits the most from which action?</p>
<p>Managing the client relationship, while promoting discussion is high risk wire act.  until the value in discussion can be quantified. When that happens, &#8217;scoop&#8217; takes on new relevancy morphing from destination to origination. Then scoop becomes source.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Karp</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25268</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Karp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Marina Architect has it right.  Linking and citing in the blogosphere make it possible to track a conversation back to its source.  We may spend time here discussing it on Jeff&#039;s blog, but we can still see that it originated with Steve Baker -- Jeff&#039;s post is probably generating a lot of traffic for Steve.

Recently, a post on Lloyd Shepherd&#039;s site ignited a debate about DRM, which I followed across numerous blogs, but everywhere I went -- and this is remarkable -- Lloyd was cited as the source of the debate.  Lloyd could publish an article in the Guardian, and the blogosphere would probably make the link for him.

If journalists open-sources their writing processes, the quality of their ideas will in effect protect the &quot;scoop&quot; -- the blogosphere may run off with the conversation, but, at least among Old Media, if another brand tries to to scoop the topic, the blogosphere will keep credit where credit is due.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Marina Architect has it right.  Linking and citing in the blogosphere make it possible to track a conversation back to its source.  We may spend time here discussing it on Jeff&#8217;s blog, but we can still see that it originated with Steve Baker &#8212; Jeff&#8217;s post is probably generating a lot of traffic for Steve.</p>
<p>Recently, a post on Lloyd Shepherd&#8217;s site ignited a debate about DRM, which I followed across numerous blogs, but everywhere I went &#8212; and this is remarkable &#8212; Lloyd was cited as the source of the debate.  Lloyd could publish an article in the Guardian, and the blogosphere would probably make the link for him.</p>
<p>If journalists open-sources their writing processes, the quality of their ideas will in effect protect the &#8220;scoop&#8221; &#8212; the blogosphere may run off with the conversation, but, at least among Old Media, if another brand tries to to scoop the topic, the blogosphere will keep credit where credit is due.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25254</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captious clearly didn&#039;t understand that the first publ 2.0 link was WordPress&#039; form of a trackback and overreacted.
Scott, I think you, in turn, overreacted.
That&#039;s all a misunderstanding.
Now let&#039;s get back to the conversation, which I&#039;m enjoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captious clearly didn&#8217;t understand that the first publ 2.0 link was WordPress&#8217; form of a trackback and overreacted.<br />
Scott, I think you, in turn, overreacted.<br />
That&#8217;s all a misunderstanding.<br />
Now let&#8217;s get back to the conversation, which I&#8217;m enjoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Karp</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25246</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Karp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stopped by to post a comment -- to contribute to the conversation here after having drafted off of Jeff&#039;s post in a post on my site -- when I saw CaptiousNut&#039;s comment calling the automatic trackback from my site &quot;spam.&quot;  There are so many things wrong with CaptiousNut&#039;s argument, but I&#039;m really glad he posted the comment because it&#039;s a crucial issue in this conversation.

There&#039;s a reason why blogging software like Wordpress automatically generates these trackbacks -- to expand the conversation (or the collaboration, to use Jeff&#039;s term). I didn&#039;t consciously generate the trackback above.  Wordpress did it automatically when I linked to Jeff&#039;s post -- someone will no doubt point out that there&#039;s a way to turn that off.

But even if there is a way to turn off the trackback feature, CaptiousNut&#039;s comment still smacks of censorship.  Does Jeff have a copyright on this conversation? What about Jeff linikng to Steve Baker&#039;s blog post.  By this logic, Jeff should have posted his thoughts there rather than post his thoughts on his own site.

There&#039;s a bigger issue, though, that gets to Jeff&#039;s question about scooping vs. collaboration.  Did Jeff &quot;scoop&quot; this issue by writing about it first, so that I shouldn&#039;t be permitted to write about it also and then generate a link here?  (Sounds pretty Old Media to me.) Or is this linking from one blog to another an essential part of collaboration? CaptiousNut seems to suggest that Jeff &quot;owns&quot; the conversation, but it was actually Steve Baker who started it.

Think of it in terms of brand.  BuzzMachine has a huge amount of brand equity, while Publishing 2.0 has none at this point.  Why shouldn&#039;t there be an open competition between brands?  The power of BuzzMachine&#039;s brand should keep the conversation here, not censorship of a link to Publishing 2.0. And if people link of Jeff&#039;s site to my site, it doesn&#039;t mean they won&#039;t come back.

If Jeff agrees with CaptiousNut that my trackback is spam, then he should just delete it.  But I suspect he won&#039;t because he practices what he preaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped by to post a comment &#8212; to contribute to the conversation here after having drafted off of Jeff&#8217;s post in a post on my site &#8212; when I saw CaptiousNut&#8217;s comment calling the automatic trackback from my site &#8220;spam.&#8221;  There are so many things wrong with CaptiousNut&#8217;s argument, but I&#8217;m really glad he posted the comment because it&#8217;s a crucial issue in this conversation.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason why blogging software like Wordpress automatically generates these trackbacks &#8212; to expand the conversation (or the collaboration, to use Jeff&#8217;s term). I didn&#8217;t consciously generate the trackback above.  Wordpress did it automatically when I linked to Jeff&#8217;s post &#8212; someone will no doubt point out that there&#8217;s a way to turn that off.</p>
<p>But even if there is a way to turn off the trackback feature, CaptiousNut&#8217;s comment still smacks of censorship.  Does Jeff have a copyright on this conversation? What about Jeff linikng to Steve Baker&#8217;s blog post.  By this logic, Jeff should have posted his thoughts there rather than post his thoughts on his own site.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a bigger issue, though, that gets to Jeff&#8217;s question about scooping vs. collaboration.  Did Jeff &#8220;scoop&#8221; this issue by writing about it first, so that I shouldn&#8217;t be permitted to write about it also and then generate a link here?  (Sounds pretty Old Media to me.) Or is this linking from one blog to another an essential part of collaboration? CaptiousNut seems to suggest that Jeff &#8220;owns&#8221; the conversation, but it was actually Steve Baker who started it.</p>
<p>Think of it in terms of brand.  BuzzMachine has a huge amount of brand equity, while Publishing 2.0 has none at this point.  Why shouldn&#8217;t there be an open competition between brands?  The power of BuzzMachine&#8217;s brand should keep the conversation here, not censorship of a link to Publishing 2.0. And if people link of Jeff&#8217;s site to my site, it doesn&#8217;t mean they won&#8217;t come back.</p>
<p>If Jeff agrees with CaptiousNut that my trackback is spam, then he should just delete it.  But I suspect he won&#8217;t because he practices what he preaches.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Feinman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Feinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jeff may be pleased with the new site Josh Marshall is starting, TPMmuckraker.com.

He has solicited contributions to enable him to hire two muckrakers and is already asking readers to forward news items to be investigated. While he is getting his new site operational he has a daily muck posting on his TPMcafe.com site.

By getting his funding from viewers he insulates himself from the problems that advertising brings up as well. I assume there will be some degree of interactivity on the new site as well.

I&#039;m constantly surprised how such a young fellow can channel I.F. Stone so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jeff may be pleased with the new site Josh Marshall is starting, TPMmuckraker.com.</p>
<p>He has solicited contributions to enable him to hire two muckrakers and is already asking readers to forward news items to be investigated. While he is getting his new site operational he has a daily muck posting on his TPMcafe.com site.</p>
<p>By getting his funding from viewers he insulates himself from the problems that advertising brings up as well. I assume there will be some degree of interactivity on the new site as well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m constantly surprised how such a young fellow can channel I.F. Stone so well.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptiousNut</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25191</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptiousNut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t speak for anyone else, but comments like the prior one by Publishing 2.0 really chafe me.

There are other ways to generate web traffic to one&#039;s site.  Cluttering up these message threads with &quot;I am talking about it too&quot; posts reeks more of spam than anything else.

Just my humble opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t speak for anyone else, but comments like the prior one by Publishing 2.0 really chafe me.</p>
<p>There are other ways to generate web traffic to one&#8217;s site.  Cluttering up these message threads with &#8220;I am talking about it too&#8221; posts reeks more of spam than anything else.</p>
<p>Just my humble opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Publishing 2.0 &#187; Media Should Start With Conversation, Then Synthesis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25186</link>
		<dc:creator>Publishing 2.0 &#187; Media Should Start With Conversation, Then Synthesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After reading Jeff Jarvis&#8217; though-provoking piece on the value of scoop vs. collaboration, it occurred to me that there might be a new model for publishing online that is neither pure conversation nor purely structured, one-way content. Right now consumers have two basic choices: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After reading Jeff Jarvis&#8217; though-provoking piece on the value of scoop vs. collaboration, it occurred to me that there might be a new model for publishing online that is neither pure conversation nor purely structured, one-way content. Right now consumers have two basic choices: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marina Architect</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25179</link>
		<dc:creator>Marina Architect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, breaking news and off-record insight of an insider is what excites people and builds loyalty. No question that&#039;s what gets your feed subscribed.

Investigative journalism that requires 6 weeks of research definitely benefits from open source community involvement. Look at Chris Anderson, Scoble and others who have written books and blogged simultaneously. 

If you are worried about someone running with your idea, then you are in the closed mindspace. Despite the lack of explicit hierarchy, an implicit consensus cred exists. People credit those who originate ideas. 

In fact, let people build on your ideas and potentially improve them without your subsequnet contribution: hat the life of the modern man/woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, breaking news and off-record insight of an insider is what excites people and builds loyalty. No question that&#8217;s what gets your feed subscribed.</p>
<p>Investigative journalism that requires 6 weeks of research definitely benefits from open source community involvement. Look at Chris Anderson, Scoble and others who have written books and blogged simultaneously. </p>
<p>If you are worried about someone running with your idea, then you are in the closed mindspace. Despite the lack of explicit hierarchy, an implicit consensus cred exists. People credit those who originate ideas. </p>
<p>In fact, let people build on your ideas and potentially improve them without your subsequnet contribution: hat the life of the modern man/woman.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard Witt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25177</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonard Witt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff:

This discussion is treating the story as a finished product. But that is not how information works. Each bit of information helps grow new information. So when Business Week releases a story isn&#039;t as important as when Business Week or its author or it audience walks away from a story. If this package were considered as Business Week story release 1.0, then there would be plenty of room to get readers interested in helping develop the next rendition of this story into 2.0. 

Let&#039;s stop treating stories as corpses that get sent to the morgue, but as living pieces of information that can still grow and be transformed into other forms of knowledge. Of course, that already happens informally with anything worthwhile that is written. It becomes part of a greater knowledge pool, which then helps produce new ideas. 

The question for places like Business Week is: Does it make sense to help formalize the process? Does Business Week want to write the definite story with help of its audience over a longer period of time or just release the story --the kernel idea -- and let it develop as it may?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff:</p>
<p>This discussion is treating the story as a finished product. But that is not how information works. Each bit of information helps grow new information. So when Business Week releases a story isn&#8217;t as important as when Business Week or its author or it audience walks away from a story. If this package were considered as Business Week story release 1.0, then there would be plenty of room to get readers interested in helping develop the next rendition of this story into 2.0. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s stop treating stories as corpses that get sent to the morgue, but as living pieces of information that can still grow and be transformed into other forms of knowledge. Of course, that already happens informally with anything worthwhile that is written. It becomes part of a greater knowledge pool, which then helps produce new ideas. </p>
<p>The question for places like Business Week is: Does it make sense to help formalize the process? Does Business Week want to write the definite story with help of its audience over a longer period of time or just release the story &#8211;the kernel idea &#8212; and let it develop as it may?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25175</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m&#039; using &quot;scoop&quot; broadly because big media outlets tend to treat most of their stories as if they were scoops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m&#8217; using &#8220;scoop&#8221; broadly because big media outlets tend to treat most of their stories as if they were scoops.</p>
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		<title>By: FYJ</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25171</link>
		<dc:creator>FYJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, there&#039;s no scoop in that piece. Baker&#039;s tied together developments in different parts of the business world to show a pattern or a trend that readers might not have been aware of, but I didn&#039;t see anything in the story that was a secret before Baker got to it.

A scoop is when you find out your city&#039;s major-league baseball team is on the verge of picking up and moving, or a major company is about to go bust (or start a massive hiring spree), or the mayor&#039;s up to his neck in kickbacks -- when you uncover important facts that had not previously been public. You keep those secret until you can publish them because the fact they&#039;re not publicly known constitutes your whole competitive advantage. If you run a daily paper, all you want is to be first by one day; if you put the information out for free on the afternoon you learn about it, and let the other guy match it in time for tomorrow&#039;s paper, you&#039;re giving up one major reason why people buy your newspaper instead of the other guy&#039;s.

Even if consumers aren&#039;t as focused on particular scoops and exclusives as the journalists are, such things must play a role in readers&#039;/viewers&#039; choice of media outlet. If you&#039;re at all interested in the news, you&#039;re going to be aware of it when your morning paper includes nothing you didn&#039;t hear on the radio on the drive home yesterday.

In the case of the math story, the competition isn&#039;t likely to try to match it. The thing BusinessWeek is selling is less having spotted the pattern, and more the depth of the reporting and the quality of the writing, both of which can presumably be improved by &quot;open-sourcing&quot; the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, there&#8217;s no scoop in that piece. Baker&#8217;s tied together developments in different parts of the business world to show a pattern or a trend that readers might not have been aware of, but I didn&#8217;t see anything in the story that was a secret before Baker got to it.</p>
<p>A scoop is when you find out your city&#8217;s major-league baseball team is on the verge of picking up and moving, or a major company is about to go bust (or start a massive hiring spree), or the mayor&#8217;s up to his neck in kickbacks &#8212; when you uncover important facts that had not previously been public. You keep those secret until you can publish them because the fact they&#8217;re not publicly known constitutes your whole competitive advantage. If you run a daily paper, all you want is to be first by one day; if you put the information out for free on the afternoon you learn about it, and let the other guy match it in time for tomorrow&#8217;s paper, you&#8217;re giving up one major reason why people buy your newspaper instead of the other guy&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Even if consumers aren&#8217;t as focused on particular scoops and exclusives as the journalists are, such things must play a role in readers&#8217;/viewers&#8217; choice of media outlet. If you&#8217;re at all interested in the news, you&#8217;re going to be aware of it when your morning paper includes nothing you didn&#8217;t hear on the radio on the drive home yesterday.</p>
<p>In the case of the math story, the competition isn&#8217;t likely to try to match it. The thing BusinessWeek is selling is less having spotted the pattern, and more the depth of the reporting and the quality of the writing, both of which can presumably be improved by &#8220;open-sourcing&#8221; the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25170</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Robert, thanks, that&#039;s the obvious caveat I forgot to give: Of course, if a story can be ruined by being revealed, then it won&#039;t be revealed. And that holds not just for collaborative efforts such as I suggest here but also for making news meetings public, as CBS and others are trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Robert, thanks, that&#8217;s the obvious caveat I forgot to give: Of course, if a story can be ruined by being revealed, then it won&#8217;t be revealed. And that holds not just for collaborative efforts such as I suggest here but also for making news meetings public, as CBS and others are trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Feinman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25166</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Feinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the &quot;ambush&quot; story. If a reporter is getting info by playing one source against another premature revelation of what is afoot may cause others to clam up.

Sometimes keeping what one is working on secret seems like the best way to uncover the details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the &#8220;ambush&#8221; story. If a reporter is getting info by playing one source against another premature revelation of what is afoot may cause others to clam up.</p>
<p>Sometimes keeping what one is working on secret seems like the best way to uncover the details.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Chase</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25153</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A loose parallel to this situation is what Shel Israel &amp; Robert Scoble did with their book. They&#039;ve both been clear that the book is better for all the outside input they received. Though Baker, Israel &amp; Scoble all have large audiences from a blogosphere standpoint, they are small by comparison to the audience they&#039;d like their end product to reach so I really doubt &quot;open-sourcing&quot; it would have negatively affected their ultimate readership. Quite to the contrary as you point out (i.e., the potential for buzz by opening up). Having read &amp; subscribed to a boatload of magazines over the years, I never would have listed &quot;scoops&quot; and &quot;exclusives&quot; as on my top 10 list of why I read/subscribed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A loose parallel to this situation is what Shel Israel &amp; Robert Scoble did with their book. They&#8217;ve both been clear that the book is better for all the outside input they received. Though Baker, Israel &amp; Scoble all have large audiences from a blogosphere standpoint, they are small by comparison to the audience they&#8217;d like their end product to reach so I really doubt &#8220;open-sourcing&#8221; it would have negatively affected their ultimate readership. Quite to the contrary as you point out (i.e., the potential for buzz by opening up). Having read &amp; subscribed to a boatload of magazines over the years, I never would have listed &#8220;scoops&#8221; and &#8220;exclusives&#8221; as on my top 10 list of why I read/subscribed.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Guinane</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/14/the-value-of-scoops-vs-collaboration/#comment-25115</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Guinane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s what some reporters at the International Herald Tribune are doing, started by Thomas Crampton. They&#039;ve set up a blog invting people to comment on technology issues. Interesting comments may be reprinted in the technology pages of their newspaper - onlne and print. &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.iht.com/tribtalk/technology/index.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Worth a look&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s what some reporters at the International Herald Tribune are doing, started by Thomas Crampton. They&#8217;ve set up a blog invting people to comment on technology issues. Interesting comments may be reprinted in the technology pages of their newspaper &#8211; onlne and print. <a href="http://blogs.iht.com/tribtalk/technology/index.php" rel="nofollow">Worth a look</a>.<br />
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