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	<title>Comments on: The ghosts of newsrooms present and future</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: idav &#187; Ghosts from the past&#8230;and Doug&#8217;s TV Book&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/18/the-ghosts-of-newsrooms-present-and-future/#comment-26498</link>
		<dc:creator>idav &#187; Ghosts from the past&#8230;and Doug&#8217;s TV Book&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] At the same time, Doug has a great link to an article by Jeff Jarvis titled &#8216;Deconstructing The Newspaper.&#8221; It&#8217;s a great brainstorm and link repository that deserves attention by anyone in the publishing business if nothing else than to adapt an awareness about how some businesses seek old habits for new revenue and growth and I&#8217;m not convinced that works anymore. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] At the same time, Doug has a great link to an article by Jeff Jarvis titled &#8216;Deconstructing The Newspaper.&#8221; It&#8217;s a great brainstorm and link repository that deserves attention by anyone in the publishing business if nothing else than to adapt an awareness about how some businesses seek old habits for new revenue and growth and I&#8217;m not convinced that works anymore. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/18/the-ghosts-of-newsrooms-present-and-future/#comment-25871</link>
		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started my newspaper website career back to 10 years ago. Back then, I was told to put our group of newspapers online because it was important, but I still had to do my regular editing job, too. 

It took a year and a half before I could concentrate on just online, but was still operating by myself, taking care of half a dozen websites. I wrote dozens of business plans over the next five years, calling for an online staff and showing how much money we could be making. They all ended up in the trash can. I was so depressed, I went back to the print side for a few years. 

But a couple of years ago, they lured me back. I saw the promise of things like blogging, open-source journalism, we media, and was excited again. Finally, Internet was the main topic of discussion at my companyâ€™s strategy sessions. Itâ€™s where the promise is.

Of course, Iâ€™m still alone, taking care of all these websites with little help, writing more business plans to no avail. They will talk Internet, but they will not open their wallets, not even a sliver, to fund anything. Mention blogging and they sigh. Talk open-source journalism and they cringe. Tell them they have to be part of the conversation, and they say thatâ€™s what letters to the editor are for. Tell them the Internet is a threat, and they agree, which is why they wonâ€™t fund it. 

Itâ€™s sad. There is so much potential, and so many journalists I work with are excited to contribute online. But there is no investment in infrastructure, so there is no improvement. Local bloggers laugh at us, or curse us for our failings. We could be the best site in town, but no, that would require commitment to something my bosses, deep down, despise. Change is hard.   

We need the journalistic equivalent of 9/11 before they will wake up. Maybe a metro like the SF Chron will go down, with a helping hand from Craigslist. Perhaps that would not only get their attention, but open those deep pockets. 

Until then, Iâ€™m just hanging on, fighting the good fight. I donâ€™t know how long that will last. My wife complains every week about how little respect I get despite the 10 years of work and all the projects Iâ€™ve done pretty much on my own. She now makes more than me, doing a job that doesnâ€™t even require any college. 

Iâ€™d go work somewhere else, but I was born into this business. Iâ€™m determined not to die with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started my newspaper website career back to 10 years ago. Back then, I was told to put our group of newspapers online because it was important, but I still had to do my regular editing job, too. </p>
<p>It took a year and a half before I could concentrate on just online, but was still operating by myself, taking care of half a dozen websites. I wrote dozens of business plans over the next five years, calling for an online staff and showing how much money we could be making. They all ended up in the trash can. I was so depressed, I went back to the print side for a few years. </p>
<p>But a couple of years ago, they lured me back. I saw the promise of things like blogging, open-source journalism, we media, and was excited again. Finally, Internet was the main topic of discussion at my companyâ€™s strategy sessions. Itâ€™s where the promise is.</p>
<p>Of course, Iâ€™m still alone, taking care of all these websites with little help, writing more business plans to no avail. They will talk Internet, but they will not open their wallets, not even a sliver, to fund anything. Mention blogging and they sigh. Talk open-source journalism and they cringe. Tell them they have to be part of the conversation, and they say thatâ€™s what letters to the editor are for. Tell them the Internet is a threat, and they agree, which is why they wonâ€™t fund it. </p>
<p>Itâ€™s sad. There is so much potential, and so many journalists I work with are excited to contribute online. But there is no investment in infrastructure, so there is no improvement. Local bloggers laugh at us, or curse us for our failings. We could be the best site in town, but no, that would require commitment to something my bosses, deep down, despise. Change is hard.   </p>
<p>We need the journalistic equivalent of 9/11 before they will wake up. Maybe a metro like the SF Chron will go down, with a helping hand from Craigslist. Perhaps that would not only get their attention, but open those deep pockets. </p>
<p>Until then, Iâ€™m just hanging on, fighting the good fight. I donâ€™t know how long that will last. My wife complains every week about how little respect I get despite the 10 years of work and all the projects Iâ€™ve done pretty much on my own. She now makes more than me, doing a job that doesnâ€™t even require any college. </p>
<p>Iâ€™d go work somewhere else, but I was born into this business. Iâ€™m determined not to die with it.</p>
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		<title>By: JennyD</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/18/the-ghosts-of-newsrooms-present-and-future/#comment-25866</link>
		<dc:creator>JennyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the best people I know left newspapers a long time ago, driven out by the problems Hawkins notes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the best people I know left newspapers a long time ago, driven out by the problems Hawkins notes.</p>
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		<title>By: Have Coffee Will Write &#187; DECONSTRUCTING THE NEWSPAPER&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/18/the-ghosts-of-newsrooms-present-and-future/#comment-25857</link>
		<dc:creator>Have Coffee Will Write &#187; DECONSTRUCTING THE NEWSPAPER&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis does an excellent job today of deconstructing the newspaper. With the swing of his internet scythe, Jarvis whacks out huge chunks of dead tree nonsense. Stock tables? Crashed. Critics? Panned. TV and movie listings? Canceled. Sports columinists? Out of here. Comics? Don&#8217;t make me laugh. Did your ox get gored? Good. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis does an excellent job today of deconstructing the newspaper. With the swing of his internet scythe, Jarvis whacks out huge chunks of dead tree nonsense. Stock tables? Crashed. Critics? Panned. TV and movie listings? Canceled. Sports columinists? Out of here. Comics? Don&#8217;t make me laugh. Did your ox get gored? Good. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Feinman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Feinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see any action that could be taken by a newspaper these days that would get my adult children to subscribe or buy one regularly. They get their news online and via TV and radio.

When would a young person read a newspaper. Except for inner city commuters people can&#039;t read during the trip to/from work. Over breakfast at home? Who does that anymore - take out Starbucks or the like. After getting home with slippers and a pipe? I think Ward Cleever was the last one to do that.

The problem is not the organization of the paper, the content, or the design of the newsroom, it&#039;s that they are selling buggy whips.
Jeff: When you get your CUNY project going why don&#039;t you ask your students about their news sources?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see any action that could be taken by a newspaper these days that would get my adult children to subscribe or buy one regularly. They get their news online and via TV and radio.</p>
<p>When would a young person read a newspaper. Except for inner city commuters people can&#8217;t read during the trip to/from work. Over breakfast at home? Who does that anymore &#8211; take out Starbucks or the like. After getting home with slippers and a pipe? I think Ward Cleever was the last one to do that.</p>
<p>The problem is not the organization of the paper, the content, or the design of the newsroom, it&#8217;s that they are selling buggy whips.<br />
Jeff: When you get your CUNY project going why don&#8217;t you ask your students about their news sources?</p>
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