Comments on: The lion’s den http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:43:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Dericco http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-351338 Dericco Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:07:52 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-351338 <strong>Dericco...</strong> I Googled for something completely different, but found your page...and have to say thanks. nice read.... Dericco…

I Googled for something completely different, but found your page…and have to say thanks. nice read….

]]> By: BETH MCNEELY http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-28092 BETH MCNEELY Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:03:56 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-28092 All this show needed was a lighter comedic touch ala Scrubs, Housewives, Seinfeld...you can have all the non PC characters you want but they can't just plod about slowly as they did on this show. A bit more deftness and this could've been a big hit, it had all the wackiness set into the plot line but failed on the wacky. With a few punchlines it would have found a huge audience, including the most conservative families, even we like to have fun. Sorry, this wasn't in the least offensive, it was just dull. All this show needed was a lighter comedic touch ala Scrubs, Housewives, Seinfeld…you can have all the non PC characters you want but they can’t just plod about slowly as they did on this show. A bit more deftness and this could’ve been a big hit, it had all the wackiness set into the plot line but failed on the wacky.

With a few punchlines it would have found a huge audience, including the most conservative families, even we like to have fun.

Sorry, this wasn’t in the least offensive, it was just dull.

]]> By: real hyp http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27692 real hyp Sun, 29 Jan 2006 03:34:00 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27692 "Oh, come on, no one is so simpleminded as to credit anyone who claims these are the agenda of the left. And define Christians as those who make these false claims." What is the left doing to counter the misconception? Jeff Jarvis is blaming the "religious right nutjobs" which is a rather simple of defining his position and framing his argument. Quite easy really!!! “Oh, come on, no one is so simpleminded as to credit anyone who claims these are the agenda of the left. And define Christians as those who make these false claims.”

What is the left doing to counter the misconception?

Jeff Jarvis is blaming the “religious right nutjobs” which is a rather simple of defining his position and framing his argument.

Quite easy really!!!

]]> By: ruth http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27622 ruth Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:35:42 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27622 'My impressions are based on what I see/hear/read coming from the left in many ways. Here are a few: Anything goes ala moral relativism. Push the gay agenda. Mock Christians. Mock the concept that anyone (most particularly, a preacher) could have faith and not also *in fact* be a drug taking reprobate. ' Oh, come on, no one is so simpleminded as to credit anyone who claims these are the agenda of the left. And define Christians as those who make these false claims. ‘My impressions are based on what I see/hear/read coming from the left in many ways. Here are a few: Anything goes ala moral relativism. Push the gay agenda. Mock Christians. Mock the concept that anyone (most particularly, a preacher) could have faith and not also *in fact* be a drug taking reprobate. ‘

Oh, come on, no one is so simpleminded as to credit anyone who claims these are the agenda of the left. And define Christians as those who make these false claims.

]]> By: Eileen http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27605 Eileen Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:27:29 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27605 "Please don’t stereotype lefties, and I won’t stereotype rightwingers." Agreed, Deborah. I hope that means you'll refrain from using the term 'rightwing nutjobs' for an opening salvo, then, eh? I saw one episode. And I saw several lefty issues prominently displayed. Whether you'll consider it stereotyping or not is up to you. My impressions are based on what I see/hear/read coming from the left in many ways. Here are a few: Anything goes ala moral relativism. Push the gay agenda. Mock Christians. Mock the concept that anyone (most particularly, a preacher) could have faith and not also *in fact* be a drug taking reprobate. Shock. Push envelopes to the point where the shock value supplants all vestige of morality or 'wholesomeness' and instead becomes reality...in order to push to the next shock level. (Very similar to fake but accurate in the news: Rather. Fake but accurate in today's news? Hamas aren't terrorists per NBC nightly news; they're just peaceful 'activists' who provide 'social services'. Never ever mention that their Charter calls for finishing the job of the Third Reich.) Speak out against anything even remotely akin to 'family values' because that represents the lefty enemy, the 'religious right nutjobs'. Foster atheism, for secular socialism is the way to go.......to the dark side. It was all dark, in my view. The preacher tells the congregation to NOT communicate with the Divine regarding their personal problems. One shot was enough for me. “Please don’t stereotype lefties, and I won’t stereotype rightwingers.”

Agreed, Deborah. I hope that means you’ll refrain from using the term ‘rightwing nutjobs’ for an opening salvo, then, eh?

I saw one episode. And I saw several lefty issues prominently displayed. Whether you’ll consider it stereotyping or not is up to you. My impressions are based on what I see/hear/read coming from the left in many ways. Here are a few: Anything goes ala moral relativism. Push the gay agenda. Mock Christians. Mock the concept that anyone (most particularly, a preacher) could have faith and not also *in fact* be a drug taking reprobate. Shock. Push envelopes to the point where the shock value supplants all vestige of morality or ‘wholesomeness’ and instead becomes reality…in order to push to the next shock level. (Very similar to fake but accurate in the news: Rather. Fake but accurate in today’s news? Hamas aren’t terrorists per NBC nightly news; they’re just peaceful ‘activists’ who provide ’social services’. Never ever mention that their Charter calls for finishing the job of the Third Reich.) Speak out against anything even remotely akin to ‘family values’ because that represents the lefty enemy, the ‘religious right nutjobs’. Foster atheism, for secular socialism is the way to go…….to the dark side. It was all dark, in my view. The preacher tells the congregation to NOT communicate with the Divine regarding their personal problems.

One shot was enough for me.

]]> By: Deborah White http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27603 Deborah White Sat, 28 Jan 2006 05:28:57 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27603 Please don't stereotype lefties, and I won't stereotype rightwingers. I thought it was a stupid program, undeserving of any broadcast time. If that particular program had a serious or politically-correct message, I can't imagine what it was. As a Christian, I thought it was a strange slap in the face by an atheist. Please don’t stereotype lefties, and I won’t stereotype rightwingers. I thought it was a stupid program, undeserving of any broadcast time.

If that particular program had a serious or politically-correct message, I can’t imagine what it was. As a Christian, I thought it was a strange slap in the face by an atheist.

]]> By: Eileen http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27598 Eileen Sat, 28 Jan 2006 04:28:48 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27598 It seems the left is intent on cramming (yes, that's the word) their agendas down our throat every which way but loose - in every quarter. Those who object are automatically denigrated as censors or religious right nutjobs. (Charming, eh?) Lefties don't Like having to admit the enemy has free speech rights; they do their damndest to just try to make them STFU...to no avail, alas. Everywhere you look, the enemy is speaking (oh my) and exercising their free market decisions to reject the products of the left. Yes, MSM, I'm especially referring to yours. Must be maddening, particularly because it (also) represents Capitalism at its best! The funniest part of all is that while the left Insists it's entitled to shovel its shit on the public airways in whatever way It sees fit, all the while graciously suggesting the rest of us can just FO, click off and turn the tv off if we don't like it, they're actually surprised when our choices instead effectively shut THEM off! Hahahahahaha! Maybe it has something to do with their approach, or decided lack thereof? [Aside from the 'meat' they're selling, of course.] Is it that gamey liberal, dictatorial flavor we find to be so distasteful? Is it really 'my way or the highway', libs? It seems the left is intent on cramming (yes, that’s the word) their agendas down our throat every which way but loose – in every quarter. Those who object are automatically denigrated as censors or religious right nutjobs. (Charming, eh?) Lefties don’t Like having to admit the enemy has free speech rights; they do their damndest to just try to make them STFU…to no avail, alas. Everywhere you look, the enemy is speaking (oh my) and exercising their free market decisions to reject the products of the left. Yes, MSM, I’m especially referring to yours.

Must be maddening, particularly because it (also) represents Capitalism at its best!

The funniest part of all is that while the left Insists it’s entitled to shovel its shit on the public airways in whatever way It sees fit, all the while graciously suggesting the rest of us can just FO, click off and turn the tv off if we don’t like it, they’re actually surprised when our choices instead effectively shut THEM off! Hahahahahaha!

Maybe it has something to do with their approach, or decided lack thereof? [Aside from the 'meat' they're selling, of course.] Is it that gamey liberal, dictatorial flavor we find to be so distasteful? Is it really ‘my way or the highway’, libs?

]]> By: sooze http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27572 sooze Sat, 28 Jan 2006 03:30:46 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27572 Lousy show+lousy ratings= cancellation No conspiracy, no boycott. Market dictates.......no one watches, no one makes money. Networks in business to make money.....ziltch ratings, no money. Crappy ratings,no money. I just don't understand what Jeff DOES NOT understand about this. Sign me, Confounded Lousy show+lousy ratings= cancellation
No conspiracy, no boycott. Market dictates…….no one watches, no one makes money. Networks in business to make money…..ziltch ratings, no money. Crappy ratings,no money. I just don’t understand what Jeff DOES NOT understand about this. Sign me,
Confounded

]]> By: kat http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27566 kat Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:31:43 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27566 I guess leftwing nutjobs had better think twice before pedaling their crap. There had better be a large enough market for it. In this case there weren't enough leftwing loons to buy the product. I guess leftwing nutjobs had better think twice before pedaling their crap. There had better be a large enough market for it. In this case there weren’t enough leftwing loons to buy the product.

]]> By: Deborah White http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27561 Deborah White Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:47:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27561 Truthfully, it was dumb TV with a bad script. It should have been cancelled, but not because of the complaints of rightwing nutjobs...but because it was just overwrought and bad. We dubbed it "Desperate Housewives meets Seventh Heaven" on steroids. Truthfully, it was dumb TV with a bad script. It should have been cancelled, but not because of the complaints of rightwing nutjobs…but because it was just overwrought and bad.

We dubbed it “Desperate Housewives meets Seventh Heaven” on steroids.

]]> By: kat http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27538 kat Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:10:49 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27538 Yes, Ruth, I take a tiny bit of credit for shelving the show. I, along with millions of others, took Jeff's advise and used my clicker, to turn to another channel. And, yes, I will boycott Burlington Coat factory---because I can. Don't shop there anyways. You can produce shit like this, but you can't make people watch it. And you can't brand me a religious nutjob simply because I won't buy what you are selling. The real bigots are the people who are trying to force this crap on the rest of us, and whining like spoiled children when the show is cancelled because it has no audience. Yes, Ruth, I take a tiny bit of credit for shelving the show. I, along with millions of others, took Jeff’s advise and used my clicker, to turn to another channel. And, yes, I will boycott Burlington Coat factory—because I can. Don’t shop there anyways. You can produce shit like this, but you can’t make people watch it. And you can’t brand me a religious nutjob simply because I won’t buy what you are selling. The real bigots are the people who are trying to force this crap on the rest of us, and whining like spoiled children when the show is cancelled because it has no audience.

]]> By: Ruth http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27475 Ruth Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:48:25 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27475 Ravo: David2's point #3: 3. I don’t care what reason NBC gives for shelving the show. The fact that it got shelved gives the bible-thumpers the excuse to crow about how “THEY” managed to get rid of the program. Their shallow narcisistic egos will not see it as anything else, and they wil refuse to allow any other explination be mentioned. Which I quoted Wildmon substantiating. Ravo: David2’s point #3:
3. I don’t care what reason NBC gives for shelving the show. The fact that it got shelved gives the bible-thumpers the excuse to crow about how “THEY” managed to get rid of the program. Their shallow narcisistic egos will not see it as anything else, and they wil refuse to allow any other explination be mentioned.

Which I quoted Wildmon substantiating.

]]> By: Ravo http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27419 Ravo Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:10:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27419 Ruth NBC ate millions of dollars because they didn't have the audience. People were turned off and didn't watch...for whatever the reason. Had people been flocking to watch, the program would have stayed on. The audience spoke. Ruth

NBC ate millions of dollars because they didn’t have the audience. People were turned off and didn’t watch…for whatever the reason.

Had people been flocking to watch, the program would have stayed on.

The audience spoke.

]]> By: Ruth http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27418 Ruth Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:53:59 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27418 David2's point 3. is borne out by AFA's Wildmon's website where he says: 'Had NBC not had to eat millions of dollars each time it aired, NBC would have kept The Book of Daniel on the air. Because of your efforts, the sponsors dropped the program.' David2’s point 3. is borne out by AFA’s Wildmon’s website where he says:
‘Had NBC not had to eat millions of dollars each time it aired, NBC would have kept The Book of Daniel on the air. Because of your efforts, the sponsors dropped the program.’

]]> By: Ravo http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27414 Ravo Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:30:29 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27414 <i>If NBC ran a show that seemed to be aimed at demeaning Buddhists or Muslims on a weekly basis, I don’t think anyone would begrudge them their objections, and I don’t think we’d be calling their protests *censorship*.</i> EXACTLY! And the folks here complaining of censorship, would be the first ones calling for it in THAT case. Speaking of the liberal propensity to do the twist .... After fighting forever against it, the Democrats have suddenly introduced a bill to teach the Bible in school! Senate President Pro Tem Eric Johnson, R-Savannah, calls it "election year pandering using voters' deepest beliefs as a tool." How about true desperation. If NBC ran a show that seemed to be aimed at demeaning Buddhists or Muslims on a weekly basis, I don’t think anyone would begrudge them their objections, and I don’t think we’d be calling their protests *censorship*.

EXACTLY!

And the folks here complaining of censorship, would be the first ones calling for it in THAT case.

Speaking of the liberal propensity to do the twist ….

After fighting forever against it, the Democrats have suddenly introduced a bill to teach the Bible in school!

Senate President Pro Tem Eric Johnson, R-Savannah, calls it “election year pandering using voters’ deepest beliefs as a tool.”

How about true desperation.

]]> By: Winger Blog » http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27269 Winger Blog » Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:18:43 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27269 [...] Jeff Jarvis’ blog gave me the idea for today’s strip. [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis’ blog gave me the idea for today’s strip. [...]

]]> By: Carson Fire http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27247 Carson Fire Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:55:31 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27247 This wouldn't be happening if not for the fact that networks and media in general have lost the trust of its Christian viewers. It would be one thing for a Christian-friendly media producer to make a show featuring Jesus as an incidental character in a modern situation; but big media have been openly hostile towards Christians for the last two decades, at least. And what's wrong with Christians objecting to their treatment in TV and movies, anyway? Isn't this the same kind of interactivity that you promote online, JJ? If NBC ran a show that seemed to be aimed at demeaning Buddhists or Muslims on a weekly basis, I don't think anyone would begrudge them their objections, and I don't think we'd be calling their protests *censorship*. Meanwhile, a European newspaper is faced with serious death threats because it ran cartoons of Mohammed. Show some *real* courage, NBC, and run the Merry Mohammed sitcom. Somehow I don't see that happening... it takes a lot less guts to parody and demean people who are only going to write letters. This wouldn’t be happening if not for the fact that networks and media in general have lost the trust of its Christian viewers. It would be one thing for a Christian-friendly media producer to make a show featuring Jesus as an incidental character in a modern situation; but big media have been openly hostile towards Christians for the last two decades, at least.

And what’s wrong with Christians objecting to their treatment in TV and movies, anyway? Isn’t this the same kind of interactivity that you promote online, JJ? If NBC ran a show that seemed to be aimed at demeaning Buddhists or Muslims on a weekly basis, I don’t think anyone would begrudge them their objections, and I don’t think we’d be calling their protests *censorship*.

Meanwhile, a European newspaper is faced with serious death threats because it ran cartoons of Mohammed. Show some *real* courage, NBC, and run the Merry Mohammed sitcom. Somehow I don’t see that happening… it takes a lot less guts to parody and demean people who are only going to write letters.

]]> By: Ravo http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27224 Ravo Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:23:24 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27224 David 2.... First, all we hear from the left for weeks are screaming and wailing at Bible thumpers TELLING them they ARE the reason leftists won't be able to watch the BOD show. Then after the show is cancelled because even leftists found they don't want to watch it: ....now the left is worried that (after telling them so for weeks), Bible thumpers <b>might think </b>they are the reason the show is gone. Too Funny!! Nobody twists stuff to fit their agenda quite like the left. <i>3. I don’t care what reason NBC gives for shelving the show. The fact that it got shelved gives the bible-thumpers the excuse to crow about how “THEY” managed to get rid of the program. Their shallow narcisistic egos will not see it as anything else, and they wil refuse to allow any other explination be mentioned. </i> David 2….

First, all we hear from the left for weeks are screaming and wailing at Bible thumpers TELLING them they ARE the reason leftists won’t be able to watch the BOD show.

Then after the show is cancelled because even leftists found they don’t want to watch it:

….now the left is worried that (after telling them so for weeks), Bible thumpers might think they are the reason the show is gone.

Too Funny!!

Nobody twists stuff to fit their agenda quite like the left.

3. I don’t care what reason NBC gives for shelving the show. The fact that it got shelved gives the bible-thumpers the excuse to crow about how “THEY” managed to get rid of the program. Their shallow narcisistic egos will not see it as anything else, and they wil refuse to allow any other explination be mentioned.

]]> By: Eileen http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27219 Eileen Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:35:30 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27219 Jeff, I see you're back to the 'ole "religious right nutjobs" tag (although the tag you used for the post is Howie Baby). I guess your change in mission allows you to revert back to overt denigration, eh? This kind of demeaning rhetoric is as offensive as the BOD was, which apparently failed to win hearts and minds. Message: LIBERAL Christians (like Jeff) are sane/holier than thou; conservative Christians are crazy. Sad, really. And I'm not even a Christian, but I was raised a Methodist and am semi-familiar with the teachings. I doubt many Christians would label conservative 'Christians/the religious' as nutjobs, regardless of political suasion. And I doubt the haughty, superior rhetoric will win you many points in other than leftist circles. That's right, you don't care any more. Got the MSM gigs and appearances; move along now. For all your talk about interactivity, you're doing your damndest to just preach to a little Jeff choir here. So which is it, the "religious" or "the right" who are the nutjobs? Or do they have to be both conservative AND Christian in order to win the honor? Jeff,

I see you’re back to the ‘ole “religious right nutjobs” tag (although the tag you used for the post is Howie Baby). I guess your change in mission allows you to revert back to overt denigration, eh? This kind of demeaning rhetoric is as offensive as the BOD was, which apparently failed to win hearts and minds.

Message: LIBERAL Christians (like Jeff) are sane/holier than thou; conservative Christians are crazy.

Sad, really. And I’m not even a Christian, but I was raised a Methodist and am semi-familiar with the teachings. I doubt many Christians would label conservative ‘Christians/the religious’ as nutjobs, regardless of political suasion. And I doubt the haughty, superior rhetoric will win you many points in other than leftist circles. That’s right, you don’t care any more. Got the MSM gigs and appearances; move along now.

For all your talk about interactivity, you’re doing your damndest to just preach to a little Jeff choir here.

So which is it, the “religious” or “the right” who are the nutjobs? Or do they have to be both conservative AND Christian in order to win the honor?

]]> By: Eileen http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27183 Eileen Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:12:18 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27183 It must be driving Hollywood nuts to see that they can no longer force their ever increasingly edgy (that IS the goal, isn't it) garbage on mainstream America - at least over the public airways - and expect them to...er...actually watch it! Yep, we're exercising our clicker rights, all right. Heh. May advertisers continue to leave in droves. Eventually Hollyweird will grasp that we're not into their form of 'shock' entertainment, drenched in a hefty dose of left wing ideological crap. If they don't, well, best of luck, Bub. To blame BOD's demise on the Christian right is, well, comical. But then, what value or issue in the liberals' quiver DOESN'T make the Christian right their number one nemesis, along with the always evil Boosh? Too bad the left can't paint their enemies as being responsible for their Very Own Failures with easy, broad, brush strokes any more, either. Powerless and impotent, they just keep digging deeper graves pretty much every place they seek to entertain, propagandize, govern or otherwise control their (purported) inferiors, the plebes. In this fashion, the left really Does end up unwittingly providing their very own brand of entertainment: comic relief. :) It must be driving Hollywood nuts to see that they can no longer force their ever increasingly edgy (that IS the goal, isn’t it) garbage on mainstream America – at least over the public airways – and expect them to…er…actually watch it! Yep, we’re exercising our clicker rights, all right. Heh. May advertisers continue to leave in droves. Eventually Hollyweird will grasp that we’re not into their form of ’shock’ entertainment, drenched in a hefty dose of left wing ideological crap. If they don’t, well, best of luck, Bub.

To blame BOD’s demise on the Christian right is, well, comical. But then, what value or issue in the liberals’ quiver DOESN’T make the Christian right their number one nemesis, along with the always evil Boosh? Too bad the left can’t paint their enemies as being responsible for their Very Own Failures with easy, broad, brush strokes any more, either. Powerless and impotent, they just keep digging deeper graves pretty much every place they seek to entertain, propagandize, govern or otherwise control their (purported) inferiors, the plebes.

In this fashion, the left really Does end up unwittingly providing their very own brand of entertainment: comic relief. :)

]]> By: donna http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27181 donna Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:46:55 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27181 I watched it. I have absolutely no problems with a Jesus character, but I did have problems with the "Six Feet Under" "Desperate Housewives" wanna-be writing. It became very tedious with the constant trying to push the envelope characters that you couldn't care less about. Just a bad show, that I'd never tune in to again. I watched it. I have absolutely no problems with a Jesus character, but I did have problems with the “Six Feet Under” “Desperate Housewives” wanna-be writing. It became very tedious with the constant trying to push the envelope characters that you couldn’t care less about. Just a bad show, that I’d never tune in to again.

]]> By: kat http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27082 kat Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:11:42 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27082 So if there is no lesbianism, drugs, and gayetry , it's dull. I guess I like dull shows. The only way that Christians can be blamed for the demise of this show is that they did what they are supposed to do--they used the clicker and changed the channel...I never watched an episode. Poor ratings resulted in cancelled show...period. You can show crap, you can't make people watch it. So if there is no lesbianism, drugs, and gayetry , it’s dull. I guess I like dull shows.
The only way that Christians can be blamed for the demise of this show is that they did what they are supposed to do–they used the clicker and changed the channel…I never watched an episode. Poor ratings resulted in cancelled show…period. You can show crap, you can’t make people watch it.

]]> By: Tac Anderson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27071 Tac Anderson Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:11:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27071 " Old, mass media is doomed do dullness." Never saw the show because I already agreed with this point. Amen ” Old, mass media is doomed do dullness.” Never saw the show because I already agreed with this point. Amen

]]> By: penny http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27049 penny Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:41:04 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27049 i watched it and it wasnt that bad....watched in between commercials during Battlestar... But it shows the difference between a quality show and junk or cable and network tv....Rescue Me starring Denis Leary on FX has Jesus and Mary talking to Tommy all the time and not in a nice clean setting of a car as in "Daniel" but in bloody scenes in the bedroom...I never hear complaints about that show....but that show is Excellent also and on cable just my two cents... i watched it and it wasnt that bad….watched in between commercials during Battlestar…

But it shows the difference between a quality show and junk or cable and network tv….Rescue Me starring Denis Leary on FX has Jesus and Mary talking to Tommy all the time and not in a nice clean setting of a car as in “Daniel” but in bloody scenes in the bedroom…I never hear complaints about that show….but that show is Excellent also and on cable

just my two cents…

]]> By: David 2 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27039 David 2 Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:40:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/26/the-lions-den/#comment-27039 Angel actually got the issue right... but there are a few other things that need to be considered. 1. Yes networks DO have an unrealistic expectation of success for any show nowadays. Just about every show that we would consider to be a classic favorite today would never get past the first month if they were held up to the standards network executives impose today. EVERY show that wasn't an immediate #1 ratings hit when they made their debut would have been ditched in the first month, long before they ever could develop a following. 2. Fridays have always been the "death knell" for any TV network... with the exception of the SciFi channel. When NBC wanted to get rid of "Star Trek", they moved it to Fridays. When Paramount wanted to get rid of "Star Trek: Enterprise", they moved it to Fridays. Executives know that Fridays are usually a good day for people to go out and not watch TV, so they will usually fill that evening with stuff that they really don't give a crap about. 3. I don't care what reason NBC gives for shelving the show. The fact that it got shelved gives the bible-thumpers the excuse to crow about how "THEY" managed to get rid of the program. Their shallow narcisistic egos will not see it as anything else, and they wil refuse to allow any other explination be mentioned. Angel actually got the issue right… but there are a few other things that need to be considered.

1. Yes networks DO have an unrealistic expectation of success for any show nowadays. Just about every show that we would consider to be a classic favorite today would never get past the first month if they were held up to the standards network executives impose today. EVERY show that wasn’t an immediate #1 ratings hit when they made their debut would have been ditched in the first month, long before they ever could develop a following.

2. Fridays have always been the “death knell” for any TV network… with the exception of the SciFi channel. When NBC wanted to get rid of “Star Trek”, they moved it to Fridays. When Paramount wanted to get rid of “Star Trek: Enterprise”, they moved it to Fridays. Executives know that Fridays are usually a good day for people to go out and not watch TV, so they will usually fill that evening with stuff that they really don’t give a crap about.

3. I don’t care what reason NBC gives for shelving the show. The fact that it got shelved gives the bible-thumpers the excuse to crow about how “THEY” managed to get rid of the program. Their shallow narcisistic egos will not see it as anything else, and they wil refuse to allow any other explination be mentioned.

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