Comments on: Regulating the rabble http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/ by Jeff Jarvis Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:36:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Spalpeen :: Am I really the first blogger to join the NUJ? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-363128 Spalpeen :: Am I really the first blogger to join the NUJ? Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:18:41 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-363128 [...] in an attempt to enact some basic changes at the NUJ using a method other than arguing online with Donnacha DeLong (setting up a form based online application system, publishing The Journalist magazine online, and [...] [...] in an attempt to enact some basic changes at the NUJ using a method other than arguing online with Donnacha DeLong (setting up a form based online application system, publishing The Journalist magazine online, and [...]

]]> By: The NUJ fuss - now I’m spitting « Online Journalism Blog http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-362606 The NUJ fuss - now I’m spitting « Online Journalism Blog Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:46:33 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-362606 [...] some of the best citizen journalism (i.e. ongoing reporting that justifies a press card, not ‘witness contributions‘) with membership of the [...] [...] some of the best citizen journalism (i.e. ongoing reporting that justifies a press card, not ‘witness contributions‘) with membership of the [...]

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Will they boycott reality? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-351916 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Will they boycott reality? Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:51:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-351916 [...] Here was the NUJ’s effort to regulate citizen journalists and here was some professional reaction at the [...] [...] Here was the NUJ’s effort to regulate citizen journalists and here was some professional reaction at the [...]

]]> By: Donnacha DeLong http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-28259 Donnacha DeLong Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:30:59 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-28259 Apologies, I misread your post. And, yes, I'm not only an NUJ member, but also an elected representative. However, you might want to read <a href="http://www.nuj.org.uk/inner.php?docid=824" rel="nofollow">this</a> and possibly look again at the claims your making. The vast majority of the new code is aimed at protecting the rights of witness contributors, matched with our purpose as a trade union to defend our members. You'll generally find that that's what trade unions are for. Apologies, I misread your post. And, yes, I’m not only an NUJ member, but also an elected representative.

However, you might want to read this and possibly look again at the claims your making. The vast majority of the new code is aimed at protecting the rights of witness contributors, matched with our purpose as a trade union to defend our members. You’ll generally find that that’s what trade unions are for.

]]> By: Bill Doskoch http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-28157 Bill Doskoch Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:17:35 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-28157 Anything wrong with this part of the code? <blockquote>4. Such organisations accept that appropriate and agreed payments will be made to witness contributors for all uses of their material and that the terms of licensing will be easily available and clear;</blockquote> Anything wrong with this part of the code?

4. Such organisations accept that appropriate and agreed payments will be made to witness contributors for all uses of their material and that the terms of licensing will be easily available and clear;

]]> By: Jeff Jarvis http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-28129 Jeff Jarvis Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:53:39 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-28129 Well, Donnacha, as far as I can see that is a download of a DOC file and not a WEB page. A web page could be seen in a BROWSER. This doc file required four attempts for me to download it to see the page. It undermines your case if you can't get the simple facts right, eh? Jeff: Well, you may give a shit but I don't. As far as I'm concerned the priority should not be protecting jobs -- I saw far too much of that with pressmen being paid for nonjobs and killing U.S. newspapers -- but instead it should be to expand journalism and better inform society, eh? Care to let us know whether you are members of the NUJ? Full disclosure, please. Well, Donnacha, as far as I can see that is a download of a DOC file and not a WEB page. A web page could be seen in a BROWSER. This doc file required four attempts for me to download it to see the page. It undermines your case if you can’t get the simple facts right, eh?

Jeff: Well, you may give a shit but I don’t. As far as I’m concerned the priority should not be protecting jobs — I saw far too much of that with pressmen being paid for nonjobs and killing U.S. newspapers — but instead it should be to expand journalism and better inform society, eh?

Care to let us know whether you are members of the NUJ? Full disclosure, please.

]]> By: Donnacha DeLong http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-28127 Donnacha DeLong Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:43:45 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-28127 The NUJ Code is published on their website, try the link at the bottom of this page - <a>http://www.nuj.org.uk/inner.php?docid=1208</a>. It undermines your case somewhat if you can't get the simple facts right. The NUJ Code is published on their website, try the link at the bottom of this page - http://www.nuj.org.uk/inner.php?docid=1208. It undermines your case somewhat if you can’t get the simple facts right.

]]> By: jeff Capes http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-28121 jeff Capes Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:05:40 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-28121 And who the hell are you to comment on what the NUJ does. Protecting NUJ jobs doesnt seem like a bad idea to me. And who the hell are you to comment on what the NUJ does. Protecting NUJ jobs doesnt seem like a bad idea to me.

]]> By: Pigsaw Blog » Blog Archive » How did the NUJ get to this? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-28042 Pigsaw Blog » Blog Archive » How did the NUJ get to this? Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:16:25 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-28042 [...] Into this debate walks the National Union of Journalists. Following a sadly unremarkable roundtable discussion of citizen journalism they have published a “code of conduct” of how to deal with citizen journalists. Or, as they have chosen to call them, “witness contributors”. Card-carrying NUJ member Neil McIntosh calls it “witless”. Emily Bell says it’s impractical. Media pundit Jeff Jarvis calls it “braindead”. You couldn’t possibly guess what Simon Waldman thinks. [...] [...] Into this debate walks the National Union of Journalists. Following a sadly unremarkable roundtable discussion of citizen journalism they have published a “code of conduct” of how to deal with citizen journalists. Or, as they have chosen to call them, “witness contributors”. Card-carrying NUJ member Neil McIntosh calls it “witless”. Emily Bell says it’s impractical. Media pundit Jeff Jarvis calls it “braindead”. You couldn’t possibly guess what Simon Waldman thinks. [...]

]]> By: Martin Stabe » The NUJ on “witness contributors” http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-27990 Martin Stabe » The NUJ on “witness contributors” Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:21:53 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-27990 [...] As Jeff Jarvis (among others) says, it’s a pretty silly document. I’m reminded of the Jack Schafer’s column from Slate that I read this weekend: … the next entrenched “guild” that technology is likely to bulldoze is the “newspaper guild.” I’m not speaking of the union of the same name, but of those who work in the news business—reporters, editors, publishers, radio and TV broadcasters, etc. [...] [...] As Jeff Jarvis (among others) says, it’s a pretty silly document. I’m reminded of the Jack Schafer’s column from Slate that I read this weekend: … the next entrenched “guild” that technology is likely to bulldoze is the “newspaper guild.” I’m not speaking of the union of the same name, but of those who work in the news business—reporters, editors, publishers, radio and TV broadcasters, etc. [...]

]]> By: Terry Heaton http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-27910 Terry Heaton Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:05:23 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/01/30/regulating-the-rabble/#comment-27910 Why don't we hear anything about the advances in astronomy brought about by amateur discoveries (like, every new finding includes at least one amateur). I imagine the PhDs in that field are upset by these upstarts, but, man, look at what they're producing! A code is a way of managing from the top. After all, if you have a code, then you must have an enforcement mechanism. We need an internal governor more than a codified set of rules and regulations (that the lawyers can then twist to meet their self-centered needs). Grrrrr. Why don’t we hear anything about the advances in astronomy brought about by amateur discoveries (like, every new finding includes at least one amateur). I imagine the PhDs in that field are upset by these upstarts, but, man, look at what they’re producing!

A code is a way of managing from the top. After all, if you have a code, then you must have an enforcement mechanism. We need an internal governor more than a codified set of rules and regulations (that the lawyers can then twist to meet their self-centered needs).

Grrrrr.

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