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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: LabRat</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29496</link>
		<dc:creator>LabRat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eileen,

The editors of the University of Illinois Urbana-Chanpaign student newspaper who published the cartoons have been suspended until the university can conduct an "investigation" and fire them.  Keep in mind that this was supposed to be an independant student newspaper.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0602150267feb15,1,741296.story?coll=chi-news-hed

The days when universities were places where differing ideas could be discussed without retribution are long over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen,</p>
<p>The editors of the University of Illinois Urbana-Chanpaign student newspaper who published the cartoons have been suspended until the university can conduct an &#8220;investigation&#8221; and fire them.  Keep in mind that this was supposed to be an independant student newspaper.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0602150267feb15,1,741296.story?coll=chi-news-hed" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0602150267feb15,1,741296.story?coll=chi-news-hed</a></p>
<p>The days when universities were places where differing ideas could be discussed without retribution are long over.</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29176</link>
		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles Krauthammer has an excellent article in the Post. It's a must read.
{A true Muslim moderate is one who protests desecrations of all faiths. Those who don't are not moderates but hypocrites, opportunists and agents for the rioters, merely using different means to advance the same goal: to impose upon the West, with its traditions of freedom of speech, a set of taboos that is exclusive to the Islamic faith. These are not defenders of religion but Muslim supremacists trying to force their dictates upon the liberal West.
And these "moderates" are aided and abetted by Western "moderates" who publish pictures of the Virgin Mary covered with elephant dung and celebrate the "Piss Christ" (a crucifix sitting in a jar of urine) as art deserving public subsidy, but who are seized with a sudden religious sensitivity when the subject is Muhammad.}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Krauthammer has an excellent article in the Post. It&#8217;s a must read.<br />
{A true Muslim moderate is one who protests desecrations of all faiths. Those who don&#8217;t are not moderates but hypocrites, opportunists and agents for the rioters, merely using different means to advance the same goal: to impose upon the West, with its traditions of freedom of speech, a set of taboos that is exclusive to the Islamic faith. These are not defenders of religion but Muslim supremacists trying to force their dictates upon the liberal West.<br />
And these &#8220;moderates&#8221; are aided and abetted by Western &#8220;moderates&#8221; who publish pictures of the Virgin Mary covered with elephant dung and celebrate the &#8220;Piss Christ&#8221; (a crucifix sitting in a jar of urine) as art deserving public subsidy, but who are seized with a sudden religious sensitivity when the subject is Muhammad.}</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29166</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"The US press has been obediently in allowing the Pentagon ban in showing pictures of caskets arriving at Dover..........they have obeyed."&lt;/i&gt;

They haven't "obeyed".  Bush bashing is the creed of most of the MSM.  Get real.  They simply don't have access to the military base which the military has every right to restrict.  Big difference.

The &lt;a href="http://medialit.med.sc.edu/wardeadphotos.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;ban&lt;/a&gt; was reinstated in 1991.

&lt;i&gt;Military censors instituted a virtual blackout of such photos in World War I. That ban continued until nearly the 
end of World War II.&lt;/i&gt;

Ironic that the same MSM, who would love to have access to the pictures of the coffins to bash Bush, censored itself in showing pictures of people jumping out of the WTC as "too graphic".  God forbid that they are viewed as bashing the Islamofascists.  Haven't you noticed that each passing 9/11 anniversary has had less and less images and time devoted to it? 

The MSM only comments on the Mohammed cartoons which they have no restriction in accessing unlike the coffins. Censoring the cartoons leaves the public with no context to judge for themselves. I like to form my own opinions with all of the facts presented to me.  Isn't it a service of the MSM to give people, like our courts to the jury, all of the facts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The US press has been obediently in allowing the Pentagon ban in showing pictures of caskets arriving at Dover&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.they have obeyed.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>They haven&#8217;t &#8220;obeyed&#8221;.  Bush bashing is the creed of most of the MSM.  Get real.  They simply don&#8217;t have access to the military base which the military has every right to restrict.  Big difference.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://medialit.med.sc.edu/wardeadphotos.htm" rel="nofollow">ban</a> was reinstated in 1991.</p>
<p><i>Military censors instituted a virtual blackout of such photos in World War I. That ban continued until nearly the<br />
end of World War II.</i></p>
<p>Ironic that the same MSM, who would love to have access to the pictures of the coffins to bash Bush, censored itself in showing pictures of people jumping out of the WTC as &#8220;too graphic&#8221;.  God forbid that they are viewed as bashing the Islamofascists.  Haven&#8217;t you noticed that each passing 9/11 anniversary has had less and less images and time devoted to it? </p>
<p>The MSM only comments on the Mohammed cartoons which they have no restriction in accessing unlike the coffins. Censoring the cartoons leaves the public with no context to judge for themselves. I like to form my own opinions with all of the facts presented to me.  Isn&#8217;t it a service of the MSM to give people, like our courts to the jury, all of the facts?</p>
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		<title>By: Phyllis Sato</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29150</link>
		<dc:creator>Phyllis Sato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US press has been obediently in allowing the Pentagon ban in showing pictures of caskets arriving at Dover.  Isn't that a violation of free speech - but they have obeyed.  There is self-censorship all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US press has been obediently in allowing the Pentagon ban in showing pictures of caskets arriving at Dover.  Isn&#8217;t that a violation of free speech - but they have obeyed.  There is self-censorship all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: News and New Media &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What is Too Offensive to Print?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29145</link>
		<dc:creator>News and New Media &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What is Too Offensive to Print?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Buzz Machine author also takes up the issue of the current controversy over publishing or broadcasting cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that are offensive to Muslims. Almost all American media organizations have chosen not to run them. But the author makes the argument that the media publishes offensive stuff all the time. He says murders are offensive, war is offensive, and we fill the news with those things. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Buzz Machine author also takes up the issue of the current controversy over publishing or broadcasting cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that are offensive to Muslims. Almost all American media organizations have chosen not to run them. But the author makes the argument that the media publishes offensive stuff all the time. He says murders are offensive, war is offensive, and we fill the news with those things. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29127</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonight is better.

Kudos to owl 1, Ravo, kat, penny, Patricia, Mike M, ct...and our host.
You know why I've stuck around here, Jeff.  Continuing prayers for your good health.

F*** Islam.

Never forget: 

The word ISLAM, translated = SUBMISSION.

I highly doubt the cult will survive this round of the 'clash of civilizations'.  We don't plan to be submittin' any time soon, now.  And our MSM will retire to the La Brea Tarpits where they belong.  How sad, really.

Here's some spine:  the college paper from the University of Illinois.  http://www.dailyillini.com/media/paper736/news/2006/02/09/Opinions/Cartoons.As.Published.In.The.Danish.JyllandsPosten-1606534.shtml?norewrite&#38;sourcedomain=www.dailyillini.com

Take a note, eh, U.S. MSM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonight is better.</p>
<p>Kudos to owl 1, Ravo, kat, penny, Patricia, Mike M, ct&#8230;and our host.<br />
You know why I&#8217;ve stuck around here, Jeff.  Continuing prayers for your good health.</p>
<p>F*** Islam.</p>
<p>Never forget: </p>
<p>The word ISLAM, translated = SUBMISSION.</p>
<p>I highly doubt the cult will survive this round of the &#8216;clash of civilizations&#8217;.  We don&#8217;t plan to be submittin&#8217; any time soon, now.  And our MSM will retire to the La Brea Tarpits where they belong.  How sad, really.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some spine:  the college paper from the University of Illinois.  <a href="http://www.dailyillini.com/media/paper736/news/2006/02/09/Opinions/Cartoons.As.Published.In.The.Danish.JyllandsPosten-1606534.shtml?norewrite&amp;sourcedomain=www.dailyillini.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailyillini.com/media/paper736/news/2006/02/09/Opinions/Cartoons.As.Published.In.The.Danish.JyllandsPosten-1606534.shtml?norewrite&amp;sourcedomain=www.dailyillini.com</a></p>
<p>Take a note, eh, U.S. MSM?</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29094</link>
		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same here, I have been avoiding AS like the plague and in my mind have labelled him a fundamentalist gayist-but I have followed links on the danish cartoon to Andrew's blog, and I have to admit I respect and admire his stand on this.  He did a good job on CNN standing up to the rude muslim guy who kept cutting Andrew off and insisted on having the first and last word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here, I have been avoiding AS like the plague and in my mind have labelled him a fundamentalist gayist-but I have followed links on the danish cartoon to Andrew&#8217;s blog, and I have to admit I respect and admire his stand on this.  He did a good job on CNN standing up to the rude muslim guy who kept cutting Andrew off and insisted on having the first and last word.</p>
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		<title>By: ct</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29091</link>
		<dc:creator>ct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I agree totally with Andrew Sullivan on something for the first time in about three years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I agree totally with Andrew Sullivan on something for the first time in about three years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike M</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29090</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find less and less reason to pay attention to "traditional media" outlets. 
These guys are Chicken S__T. How can I judge for myself how offensive (or simply PI) they are unless I at least see them, or at least describe them in some detail. How will I learn what is offensive to certain groups of people?

Anyway - if traditional media was more enthusiastic about getting the facts straight instead of offending people, it would be much more useful.
(sigh)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find less and less reason to pay attention to &#8220;traditional media&#8221; outlets.<br />
These guys are Chicken S__T. How can I judge for myself how offensive (or simply PI) they are unless I at least see them, or at least describe them in some detail. How will I learn what is offensive to certain groups of people?</p>
<p>Anyway - if traditional media was more enthusiastic about getting the facts straight instead of offending people, it would be much more useful.<br />
(sigh)</p>
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		<title>By: Ravo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29077</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wise One,  ...your anger is understandable.

But God does not need man to punish or kill for Him.  The Creator is fully capable of easily killing or punishing in a blink...should &lt;i&gt;He&lt;/i&gt; so desire, without assistance from man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wise One,  &#8230;your anger is understandable.</p>
<p>But God does not need man to punish or kill for Him.  The Creator is fully capable of easily killing or punishing in a blink&#8230;should <i>He</i> so desire, without assistance from man.</p>
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		<title>By: Wise One</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29072</link>
		<dc:creator>Wise One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point RAVO. I will repent after the Godless, secular-humanists are punished.

I have seen and heard their filthy trash for decades. Now it is payback time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point RAVO. I will repent after the Godless, secular-humanists are punished.</p>
<p>I have seen and heard their filthy trash for decades. Now it is payback time</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29067</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This pretty much sums it up:

http://media.putfile.com/Taqiyya78</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This pretty much sums it up:</p>
<p><a href="http://media.putfile.com/Taqiyya78" rel="nofollow">http://media.putfile.com/Taqiyya78</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ravo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29065</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...what the cartoon rage is really all about: criminalizing criticism of Islam in the West, which would, of course, allow jihadists a virtually free hand."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;what the cartoon rage is really all about: criminalizing criticism of Islam in the West, which would, of course, allow jihadists a virtually free hand.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29061</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Iâ€™d disagree that AP is wrong here. Why should they carry something they find offensive and maybe taseless?&lt;/i&gt;

Like the media doesn't offend someone, somewhere every day?

I'll repeat again:

&lt;b&gt;How the hell can you provide commentary on cartoons that you refuse to show as context - a necessary service to the audience so they can arrive at an informed opinion? &lt;/b&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Somewhere a line should be drawn...&lt;/i&gt;

And who should draw it?  The self-serving agenda and ratings driven commercial MSM?  Amazing how some people readily give up their freedom of speech.  The Russians have given it back to Putin. The state has taken back all of the TV stations with hardly a wimper from the populace. Not all people cherish free speech.  Leftists sure as hell don't.

This is about the right to free speech.  It's worth dying for. Not killing because you are offended.  That's the difference between Islam and us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Iâ€™d disagree that AP is wrong here. Why should they carry something they find offensive and maybe taseless?</i></p>
<p>Like the media doesn&#8217;t offend someone, somewhere every day?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll repeat again:</p>
<p><b>How the hell can you provide commentary on cartoons that you refuse to show as context - a necessary service to the audience so they can arrive at an informed opinion? </b></p>
<p><i>Somewhere a line should be drawn&#8230;</i></p>
<p>And who should draw it?  The self-serving agenda and ratings driven commercial MSM?  Amazing how some people readily give up their freedom of speech.  The Russians have given it back to Putin. The state has taken back all of the TV stations with hardly a wimper from the populace. Not all people cherish free speech.  Leftists sure as hell don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>This is about the right to free speech.  It&#8217;s worth dying for. Not killing because you are offended.  That&#8217;s the difference between Islam and us.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29057</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wise One: &lt;b&gt; Christ NEVER approved of violence and/or coercion as a way to bring man to God.&lt;/b&gt;  

His entire life was based on showing that man's way to God is not thru pride. Christians consider pride a source of most sin.

&lt;i&gt;"The work of Muhammad is based on being honored and the work of Christ is based on being insulted. This produces two &lt;b&gt;very different reactions to mockery.&lt;/b&gt;

If Christ had not been insulted, there would be no salvation. This was his saving work: to be insulted and die to rescue sinners from the wrath of God. 

Already in the Psalms the path of mockery was promised: "&lt;/i&gt;

â€œAll who see me mock me; they make mouths at me; they wag their headsâ€ (Psalm 22:7). 

â€œHe was despised and rejected by men . . . as one from whom men hide their faces . . . and we esteemed him notâ€ (Isaiah 53:3).

â€œBlessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my accountâ€ (Matthew 5:11).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wise One: <b> Christ NEVER approved of violence and/or coercion as a way to bring man to God.</b>  </p>
<p>His entire life was based on showing that man&#8217;s way to God is not thru pride. Christians consider pride a source of most sin.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The work of Muhammad is based on being honored and the work of Christ is based on being insulted. This produces two <b>very different reactions to mockery.</b></p>
<p>If Christ had not been insulted, there would be no salvation. This was his saving work: to be insulted and die to rescue sinners from the wrath of God. </p>
<p>Already in the Psalms the path of mockery was promised: &#8220;</i></p>
<p>â€œAll who see me mock me; they make mouths at me; they wag their headsâ€ (Psalm 22:7). </p>
<p>â€œHe was despised and rejected by men . . . as one from whom men hide their faces . . . and we esteemed him notâ€ (Isaiah 53:3).</p>
<p>â€œBlessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my accountâ€ (Matthew 5:11).</p>
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		<title>By: Ravo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29055</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Is that why they refused to print the pictures? I donâ€™t think so! They print Piss Christ and Dung Mary, also offensive. They were afraid, for crying out loud, and I would be too!! What angers most of us is that they LIE about their fear and make excuse after excuse for these violent thugs whose only goal is to destroy free societies as well as the free press.

When the media lie about something as important as free speech or fear of intimidation, they lose it.&lt;/i&gt;

The  absolute truth about this situation millions of posts all over the internet have failed to illuminate since this controversy began, has been aptly captured in those few sentences.  Thank you Patricia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is that why they refused to print the pictures? I donâ€™t think so! They print Piss Christ and Dung Mary, also offensive. They were afraid, for crying out loud, and I would be too!! What angers most of us is that they LIE about their fear and make excuse after excuse for these violent thugs whose only goal is to destroy free societies as well as the free press.</p>
<p>When the media lie about something as important as free speech or fear of intimidation, they lose it.</i></p>
<p>The  absolute truth about this situation millions of posts all over the internet have failed to illuminate since this controversy began, has been aptly captured in those few sentences.  Thank you Patricia.</p>
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		<title>By: Wise One</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29054</link>
		<dc:creator>Wise One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three cheers for all moslems. They do not sit by while the trendy crowd mocks their religion. Christians should riot too over the many insulting anti christian "works of art." 
Three cheers again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three cheers for all moslems. They do not sit by while the trendy crowd mocks their religion. Christians should riot too over the many insulting anti christian &#8220;works of art.&#8221;<br />
Three cheers again.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29050</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Why should they carry something they find offensive and maybe taseless?"

Is that why they refused to print the pictures?  I don't think so!  They print Piss Christ and Dung Mary, also offensive.  They were afraid, for crying out loud, and I would be too!!    What angers most of us is that they LIE about their fear and make excuse after excuse for these violent thugs whose only goal is to destroy free societies as well as the free press.

When the media lie about something as important as free speech or fear of intimidation, they lose it.  It weakens democracy itself.  That's why the cartoons are important.

Now, back to our regular programming: bashing Bush.  He won't chop their heads off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why should they carry something they find offensive and maybe taseless?&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that why they refused to print the pictures?  I don&#8217;t think so!  They print Piss Christ and Dung Mary, also offensive.  They were afraid, for crying out loud, and I would be too!!    What angers most of us is that they LIE about their fear and make excuse after excuse for these violent thugs whose only goal is to destroy free societies as well as the free press.</p>
<p>When the media lie about something as important as free speech or fear of intimidation, they lose it.  It weakens democracy itself.  That&#8217;s why the cartoons are important.</p>
<p>Now, back to our regular programming: bashing Bush.  He won&#8217;t chop their heads off.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Dylko</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29038</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Dylko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd disagree that AP is wrong here. Why should they carry something they find offensive and maybe taseless? It's been an old journalistic tradition to choose material that provides more benifits to readers than harm. Depending on who your readers are - and AP has a very diverse group - some of whome aren't as sophisticated as to maybe take some of the information the "right" way... So, why incite hatred, or make people disgusted, or make them feel like their most sacred beliefs are being trashed in public? While the cartoons themselves became the news, I'd argue that some media outlets may be justified in deciding not to run them.

There was a similar debate about publishing photos of people jumping down from WTC, or photos of maimed bodies of dead Iraqis, behadings of hostages, etc. etc. Somewhere a line should be drawn - not everyone can process/interprete this info in a proper manner - understand what a huge tragedy 9/11 was, or how bad terrorists are, or what the realities of distant war are, for example.

The beauty of today's media environment is that you can get almost any information deemed not appropriate by some channels, but deemed totally appropriate by others. So, as long as there's a choice, I see no problem here. People are served well as long as they have choice, imo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d disagree that AP is wrong here. Why should they carry something they find offensive and maybe taseless? It&#8217;s been an old journalistic tradition to choose material that provides more benifits to readers than harm. Depending on who your readers are - and AP has a very diverse group - some of whome aren&#8217;t as sophisticated as to maybe take some of the information the &#8220;right&#8221; way&#8230; So, why incite hatred, or make people disgusted, or make them feel like their most sacred beliefs are being trashed in public? While the cartoons themselves became the news, I&#8217;d argue that some media outlets may be justified in deciding not to run them.</p>
<p>There was a similar debate about publishing photos of people jumping down from WTC, or photos of maimed bodies of dead Iraqis, behadings of hostages, etc. etc. Somewhere a line should be drawn - not everyone can process/interprete this info in a proper manner - understand what a huge tragedy 9/11 was, or how bad terrorists are, or what the realities of distant war are, for example.</p>
<p>The beauty of today&#8217;s media environment is that you can get almost any information deemed not appropriate by some channels, but deemed totally appropriate by others. So, as long as there&#8217;s a choice, I see no problem here. People are served well as long as they have choice, imo.</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-29028</link>
		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed--as a member of the MSM, you had best get your facts straight. Islam is not the world's largest religion.  It,however, has the largest number of terrorists--about 20% of the flock.  You, as a member of the MSM, are ready and willing to excuse and condone their terrorism by finding excuses and fearing them.  You are willing to allow islam to dictate to you.  Appeasing islams is what you you best, and you do it with searching for equivalencies in other religions, but you fail, becuse the type of lunacy we are seeing is only found in islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed&#8211;as a member of the MSM, you had best get your facts straight. Islam is not the world&#8217;s largest religion.  It,however, has the largest number of terrorists&#8211;about 20% of the flock.  You, as a member of the MSM, are ready and willing to excuse and condone their terrorism by finding excuses and fearing them.  You are willing to allow islam to dictate to you.  Appeasing islams is what you you best, and you do it with searching for equivalencies in other religions, but you fail, becuse the type of lunacy we are seeing is only found in islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-28997</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the interest of transparancy, I need to say I accidentally used a nickname I go by elsewhere in the blogosphere.  Sprite should have read, Eileen, for those of you who know me here.

Sorry, I'm tired and am truly done in by the news of this day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the interest of transparancy, I need to say I accidentally used a nickname I go by elsewhere in the blogosphere.  Sprite should have read, Eileen, for those of you who know me here.</p>
<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m tired and am truly done in by the news of this day.</p>
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		<title>By: Sprite</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-28994</link>
		<dc:creator>Sprite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Islam has been counting on the leftist U.S. MSM to back them up every step of the way in the ongoing jihad, as well as the current Cartoon Jihad of the disaffected youth all over the Earth.  With this deal of the cards they've shown they In Fact had the winning bet.  The MSM has proven itself to be as loyal as expected.  Congratulations, U.S. MSM.   You have definitively proven your true colors for all the world to see. 

MSM's spinelessness is as apparant as that of ONE BILLION so-called moderate Muslims.

Oh, did you know that an Egyptian paper, Al Faqr,  printed all 12 cartoons in October, 2005, without even a hint of rampaging in response?  If it's so fatwahwable to show the craven image of Allah, how is it that MUSLIMS can do it with impunity?  Google it, please, I don't feel like providing the link.  And did you know that the very Iranian paper which is organizing a Holocaust Cartoon Contest Also has images of Allah on it's own web site?  Again, google it.  Sometimes I can deal with the lunacy of our world.  But tonight, it just makes me feel ill as it is too effin' sick to behold.

Right on and fight on, owl 1 and Ravo.

Ed, I couldn't stand the thought of even clicking into your blog.

Good night, All.  I surely hope tomorrow will be a better day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islam has been counting on the leftist U.S. MSM to back them up every step of the way in the ongoing jihad, as well as the current Cartoon Jihad of the disaffected youth all over the Earth.  With this deal of the cards they&#8217;ve shown they In Fact had the winning bet.  The MSM has proven itself to be as loyal as expected.  Congratulations, U.S. MSM.   You have definitively proven your true colors for all the world to see. </p>
<p>MSM&#8217;s spinelessness is as apparant as that of ONE BILLION so-called moderate Muslims.</p>
<p>Oh, did you know that an Egyptian paper, Al Faqr,  printed all 12 cartoons in October, 2005, without even a hint of rampaging in response?  If it&#8217;s so fatwahwable to show the craven image of Allah, how is it that MUSLIMS can do it with impunity?  Google it, please, I don&#8217;t feel like providing the link.  And did you know that the very Iranian paper which is organizing a Holocaust Cartoon Contest Also has images of Allah on it&#8217;s own web site?  Again, google it.  Sometimes I can deal with the lunacy of our world.  But tonight, it just makes me feel ill as it is too effin&#8217; sick to behold.</p>
<p>Right on and fight on, owl 1 and Ravo.</p>
<p>Ed, I couldn&#8217;t stand the thought of even clicking into your blog.</p>
<p>Good night, All.  I surely hope tomorrow will be a better day.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-28993</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Freedom of the press includes not only the right to freely publish, but also the right not to publish. Every news organization has its own standards, when those come in conflict with readers or viewers, the audience should pick up another newspaper or turn the channel.&lt;/i&gt;

What crap. You still don't get it.

I'll repeat what I said earlier:

&lt;b&gt;How the hell can you provide commentary on cartoons that you refuse to show as context- a necessary service to the audience so they can arrive at an informed opinion? &lt;/b&gt;

Please don't envoke the "sensivity" argument, the public isn't buying that hypocrisy anymore. We've noticed how selectively it has been applied over the years by the media.

&lt;i&gt;Every news organization has its own standards, when those come in conflict with readers or viewers, the audience should pick up another newspaper or turn the channel.&lt;/i&gt;

In other words ratings = standards. Trust me, the only ones that will be your viewers or readers will be the Islamofascists eventually.  They will feel protected and right at home with the American MSM's self-censorship on their behalf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Freedom of the press includes not only the right to freely publish, but also the right not to publish. Every news organization has its own standards, when those come in conflict with readers or viewers, the audience should pick up another newspaper or turn the channel.</i></p>
<p>What crap. You still don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll repeat what I said earlier:</p>
<p><b>How the hell can you provide commentary on cartoons that you refuse to show as context- a necessary service to the audience so they can arrive at an informed opinion? </b></p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t envoke the &#8220;sensivity&#8221; argument, the public isn&#8217;t buying that hypocrisy anymore. We&#8217;ve noticed how selectively it has been applied over the years by the media.</p>
<p><i>Every news organization has its own standards, when those come in conflict with readers or viewers, the audience should pick up another newspaper or turn the channel.</i></p>
<p>In other words ratings = standards. Trust me, the only ones that will be your viewers or readers will be the Islamofascists eventually.  They will feel protected and right at home with the American MSM&#8217;s self-censorship on their behalf.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-28988</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BRAVO Owl

And ED..the stench of what YOU say would "knock a buzzard off an outhouse"!  

None of the world's other religions have condoned and committed violence in modern living history...none.

As far as the Crusades....leftists have rewritten history.  The Crusades were in retaliation for the brutality and mayhem perpetrated upon them my the Islamics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BRAVO Owl</p>
<p>And ED..the stench of what YOU say would &#8220;knock a buzzard off an outhouse&#8221;!  </p>
<p>None of the world&#8217;s other religions have condoned and committed violence in modern living history&#8230;none.</p>
<p>As far as the Crusades&#8230;.leftists have rewritten history.  The Crusades were in retaliation for the brutality and mayhem perpetrated upon them my the Islamics.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/08/offensive/#comment-28985</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Back to addressing the underlying question again: â€œwhy do they hate usâ€. &lt;/i&gt;

Robert asks that old leftist question...

Look around Robert ...they've hated everybody - even each other --- for centuries.  They are taught to hate practically from the day they are born.

They'll  even snuff out the lives of their own small children in order to bite their enemies.  

They expect the rewards in their afterlife for all this bloodshed they've committed to consist of a  " feast of riches and virgin slaves for neverending sexual exploits.

Hardly along the lines of most religions which "convey the idea that the afterlife is a spiritual place.

Answering your question Robert, even if an answer existed, wouldn't change anything.  Nothing short of our complete dhimmitude would, and then they'd still continue to to kill one another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Back to addressing the underlying question again: â€œwhy do they hate usâ€. </i></p>
<p>Robert asks that old leftist question&#8230;</p>
<p>Look around Robert &#8230;they&#8217;ve hated everybody - even each other &#8212; for centuries.  They are taught to hate practically from the day they are born.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll  even snuff out the lives of their own small children in order to bite their enemies.  </p>
<p>They expect the rewards in their afterlife for all this bloodshed they&#8217;ve committed to consist of a  &#8221; feast of riches and virgin slaves for neverending sexual exploits.</p>
<p>Hardly along the lines of most religions which &#8220;convey the idea that the afterlife is a spiritual place.</p>
<p>Answering your question Robert, even if an answer existed, wouldn&#8217;t change anything.  Nothing short of our complete dhimmitude would, and then they&#8217;d still continue to to kill one another.</p>
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