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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: TheRottenWord</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-359326</link>
		<dc:creator>TheRottenWord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lean left, generally speaking.  But I do my best not to lean at all, or even hang out in the same ideological arenas as main stream US politics.

The truth is that the whole system is grinding to a halt, essentially because Republicans are so riddled with corruption and arrogance that they are confusing their own spin with reality, while Democrats rarely have any spin anyway and are totally powerless to fill the void left by a self-destructing GOP.  

Bush isn't evil and I know that.  He's just not particularly competent and the limp and impotent excuses for political parties in the US don't give a leg to stand on or a decent political enemy to combat.

So vote for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lean left, generally speaking.  But I do my best not to lean at all, or even hang out in the same ideological arenas as main stream US politics.</p>
<p>The truth is that the whole system is grinding to a halt, essentially because Republicans are so riddled with corruption and arrogance that they are confusing their own spin with reality, while Democrats rarely have any spin anyway and are totally powerless to fill the void left by a self-destructing GOP.  </p>
<p>Bush isn&#8217;t evil and I know that.  He&#8217;s just not particularly competent and the limp and impotent excuses for political parties in the US don&#8217;t give a leg to stand on or a decent political enemy to combat.</p>
<p>So vote for me!</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The bell tolls for thee</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The bell tolls for thee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This reminded me of the column by BBC correspondent Justin Webb, who argued that the left has also lost its message and its medium. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This reminded me of the column by BBC correspondent Justin Webb, who argued that the left has also lost its message and its medium. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Oren</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30821</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Oren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think you have to go McLuhanesque on broadcast/narrowcast/citizens' media to explain the initial political adoption pattern.  Comparative advantage on political niches does just fine:

I'll stipulate (with backup above and from readily available surveys) that the MSM average soft-left, with a two-sigma distribution spread out between the DLC on one end and Nancy Pelosi on the other.  If your views and political 'voice' fell in that span BCM (before citizen's media), then your itch was being scratched pretty well.

Come the blogosphere, who adopts most quickly?  The libertarians, who had essentially no media voice.  The Deaniacs / hard left, who fell outside the MSM span.  Followed in not too long by many conservatives, for whom the limited number of pulpits afforded by narrowcast weren't sufficient.

McLuhan may have something to say, but that looks more like fairly standard 'market entry' phenomena, where immediate comparative advantage is what counts, not long term absolute value.

Now speculating:  In the short/mid term this may be / have been a significant disadvantage to the Dem party, assuming you're not of the Deaniac persuasion.  One of the rarer blogging birds to sight is the principled centrist liberal, say an Armed Liberal, a Marc Cooper, a liberalhawk, or our host.  Hard for them to carry on a discourse while dodging incoming from the far left and mid to far-right; come watch A.L. try it on Winds of Change.  

That largely leaves the swath of political opinion represented by the MSM to carry out its discourse through the MSM.  I can't think that's any advantage, given its atrophy of critical thinking over the years of monopoly.

If those who see citizens' media ascendent over the long run are correct, this should all even out.  The MSM are dying demographically, and the soft left will have to chase the votes into new media at some point.

Watch where the parties and fellow travelers spend their money, and the candidates their time, in '06 and '08.  Should be a couple of fascinating data points to tack onto the '02 and '04 time series to see how political opinion is being addressed in a mixed old/new media world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you have to go McLuhanesque on broadcast/narrowcast/citizens&#8217; media to explain the initial political adoption pattern.  Comparative advantage on political niches does just fine:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stipulate (with backup above and from readily available surveys) that the MSM average soft-left, with a two-sigma distribution spread out between the DLC on one end and Nancy Pelosi on the other.  If your views and political &#8216;voice&#8217; fell in that span BCM (before citizen&#8217;s media), then your itch was being scratched pretty well.</p>
<p>Come the blogosphere, who adopts most quickly?  The libertarians, who had essentially no media voice.  The Deaniacs / hard left, who fell outside the MSM span.  Followed in not too long by many conservatives, for whom the limited number of pulpits afforded by narrowcast weren&#8217;t sufficient.</p>
<p>McLuhan may have something to say, but that looks more like fairly standard &#8216;market entry&#8217; phenomena, where immediate comparative advantage is what counts, not long term absolute value.</p>
<p>Now speculating:  In the short/mid term this may be / have been a significant disadvantage to the Dem party, assuming you&#8217;re not of the Deaniac persuasion.  One of the rarer blogging birds to sight is the principled centrist liberal, say an Armed Liberal, a Marc Cooper, a liberalhawk, or our host.  Hard for them to carry on a discourse while dodging incoming from the far left and mid to far-right; come watch A.L. try it on Winds of Change.  </p>
<p>That largely leaves the swath of political opinion represented by the MSM to carry out its discourse through the MSM.  I can&#8217;t think that&#8217;s any advantage, given its atrophy of critical thinking over the years of monopoly.</p>
<p>If those who see citizens&#8217; media ascendent over the long run are correct, this should all even out.  The MSM are dying demographically, and the soft left will have to chase the votes into new media at some point.</p>
<p>Watch where the parties and fellow travelers spend their money, and the candidates their time, in &#8216;06 and &#8216;08.  Should be a couple of fascinating data points to tack onto the &#8216;02 and &#8216;04 time series to see how political opinion is being addressed in a mixed old/new media world.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30763</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake is right about the bias of media...I've repped consumer and trade magazines for over 20 years, and the only conservative editors I have ever met worked at a conservative Catholic publication...

A "conservative" in an editorial department is generally a moderate lefty....

As for the business side-I have found most of the males to be right-of-center, while the ladies to be as lefty as the editorial staffs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake is right about the bias of media&#8230;I&#8217;ve repped consumer and trade magazines for over 20 years, and the only conservative editors I have ever met worked at a conservative Catholic publication&#8230;</p>
<p>A &#8220;conservative&#8221; in an editorial department is generally a moderate lefty&#8230;.</p>
<p>As for the business side-I have found most of the males to be right-of-center, while the ladies to be as lefty as the editorial staffs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30728</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Erica, I've noticed you've addressed every question but mine.

You've addressed chickens**t technicalities, try major themes and content next.

Oh, and Bill O'Reilly is an easy target. No points there.  It's  one program, hardly a counterpoint to the well documented liberal landscape.

Keep them coming, Erica. 

About the yearly number of conservative movies or the counter-balance to the leftist agendas on campus.......I'm waiting for your refutations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Erica, I&#8217;ve noticed you&#8217;ve addressed every question but mine.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve addressed chickens**t technicalities, try major themes and content next.</p>
<p>Oh, and Bill O&#8217;Reilly is an easy target. No points there.  It&#8217;s  one program, hardly a counterpoint to the well documented liberal landscape.</p>
<p>Keep them coming, Erica. </p>
<p>About the yearly number of conservative movies or the counter-balance to the leftist agendas on campus&#8230;&#8230;.I&#8217;m waiting for your refutations.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30725</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it's Sunday talk, it's conservative.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200602140002</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s Sunday talk, it&#8217;s conservative.</p>
<p><a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200602140002" rel="nofollow">http://mediamatters.org/items/200602140002</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Jaffa</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30724</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Jaffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patricia -

Regarding "Stephanopolous, Colms, Mathews, David Letterman, Jon Stewart, Colbert" as liberal hosts who give their opinions:

George Stephanopous doesn't give his opinion on "This Week" since he became a host.  He asks questions.

Alan Colmes is balanced by Sean Hannity, whom I didn't mention above.

David Letterman isn't doing a political show and doesn't give his opinion on politics a fraction of the times Bill O'Reilly does.

Jon Stewart - OK.

Stephen Colbert doesn't express liberal views.  He expresses right-wing views, ironically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patricia -</p>
<p>Regarding &#8220;Stephanopolous, Colms, Mathews, David Letterman, Jon Stewart, Colbert&#8221; as liberal hosts who give their opinions:</p>
<p>George Stephanopous doesn&#8217;t give his opinion on &#8220;This Week&#8221; since he became a host.  He asks questions.</p>
<p>Alan Colmes is balanced by Sean Hannity, whom I didn&#8217;t mention above.</p>
<p>David Letterman isn&#8217;t doing a political show and doesn&#8217;t give his opinion on politics a fraction of the times Bill O&#8217;Reilly does.</p>
<p>Jon Stewart - OK.</p>
<p>Stephen Colbert doesn&#8217;t express liberal views.  He expresses right-wing views, ironically.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30719</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Perhaps you like to think of Republicans as the underdog, but that view doesnâ€™t have much in common with what is going on in the world.&lt;/i&gt; 

Hey, Erica............

Even after considering that leftist tenured faculties, secured and cultivated over decades, get to indoctrinate our kids with their dribble on our nickel, it is amazing that we haven't lost Republicans among the higher educated. 

Remove FOX from the media equation, then count on your hands and toes all of the major media outlets that run left-of-center? Take away Mel Gibson and how many conservative movies come out of Hollywood a year?  Name them? The majority of movies are based on the pc, multi-culti, and corporate America as evil leftist's screed.

Maybe Republicans are better adept at seeing past the insipid self-censoring mass media and the pc, multi-culti leftist dribble on campuses, Erica. Maybe most of us Republicans aren't good at regurgitating like sheeple the cherished popular memes without scrutiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Perhaps you like to think of Republicans as the underdog, but that view doesnâ€™t have much in common with what is going on in the world.</i> </p>
<p>Hey, Erica&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Even after considering that leftist tenured faculties, secured and cultivated over decades, get to indoctrinate our kids with their dribble on our nickel, it is amazing that we haven&#8217;t lost Republicans among the higher educated. </p>
<p>Remove FOX from the media equation, then count on your hands and toes all of the major media outlets that run left-of-center? Take away Mel Gibson and how many conservative movies come out of Hollywood a year?  Name them? The majority of movies are based on the pc, multi-culti, and corporate America as evil leftist&#8217;s screed.</p>
<p>Maybe Republicans are better adept at seeing past the insipid self-censoring mass media and the pc, multi-culti leftist dribble on campuses, Erica. Maybe most of us Republicans aren&#8217;t good at regurgitating like sheeple the cherished popular memes without scrutiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30714</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff

The internet does not seem to be tailored to any one party or ideology but give the greatest return to the group that knows how to exploit it.  The problems with the Dems is, as the article pointed out, they have no message.  They do have a message and that seems to be that "we know best and you are scum".  That's the impression I get listening to them.  The libertarians have a different problem.  They're message is unpalatable to the mass of voting Americans.  It makes no difference the media the message will be continually reject.  In this case success means the number of libertarian office holders.  They make much more impact in the research and think-tank work than they do as politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff</p>
<p>The internet does not seem to be tailored to any one party or ideology but give the greatest return to the group that knows how to exploit it.  The problems with the Dems is, as the article pointed out, they have no message.  They do have a message and that seems to be that &#8220;we know best and you are scum&#8221;.  That&#8217;s the impression I get listening to them.  The libertarians have a different problem.  They&#8217;re message is unpalatable to the mass of voting Americans.  It makes no difference the media the message will be continually reject.  In this case success means the number of libertarian office holders.  They make much more impact in the research and think-tank work than they do as politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,
Stephanopolous, Colms, Mathews, David Letterman, Jon Stewart, Colbert...and many others that I can't name because I stopped watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,<br />
Stephanopolous, Colms, Mathews, David Letterman, Jon Stewart, Colbert&#8230;and many others that I can&#8217;t name because I stopped watching.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Zalotocky</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30700</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Zalotocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's worth remembering that libertarians had a far stronger incentive to make use of the Internet than either liberals or conservatives because they had so little presence in the established media. People who already had powerful  tools like TV networks, talk radio or major newspapers on their side were much less likely to see the then-obscure new medium of blogging as important. After all, what effect could a personal web site ever have on the likes of CBS?

Also, the computer industry contains a lot of strong-willed individualists because its geeky image has traditionally been a deterrent to anyone who is easily swayed by peer pressure. It's also experienced years of rapid growth and technological advance which encourages a confident, optimistic outlook.  Many of the early bloggers were computer professionals or enthusiasts because they had the technical skills to do it and few other people had heard of it anyway. So the early-adopters came from a group that was particularly likely to be sympathetic to the libertarian vision of free, powerful individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth remembering that libertarians had a far stronger incentive to make use of the Internet than either liberals or conservatives because they had so little presence in the established media. People who already had powerful  tools like TV networks, talk radio or major newspapers on their side were much less likely to see the then-obscure new medium of blogging as important. After all, what effect could a personal web site ever have on the likes of CBS?</p>
<p>Also, the computer industry contains a lot of strong-willed individualists because its geeky image has traditionally been a deterrent to anyone who is easily swayed by peer pressure. It&#8217;s also experienced years of rapid growth and technological advance which encourages a confident, optimistic outlook.  Many of the early bloggers were computer professionals or enthusiasts because they had the technical skills to do it and few other people had heard of it anyway. So the early-adopters came from a group that was particularly likely to be sympathetic to the libertarian vision of free, powerful individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Jaffa</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30694</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Jaffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;dick -&lt;/b&gt;

It isn't "so unusual" for "Hardball" to have a panel consisting of Tucker Carlson, Rita Cosby and Joe Scarborough.  They have done it before.

"Meet the Press" &lt;a href="http://www.speakspeak.org/speak-blog/2006/02/27/meet-the-press-panel-without-liberals/" rel="nofollow"&gt;also&lt;/a&gt; had more conservatives than liberals the week before Sunday.

&lt;b&gt;Patricia -&lt;/b&gt;

How many liberal TV talk show hosts can you name who regularly give their opinions like Bill O'Reilly, Tucker Carlson, and Joe Scarborough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>dick -</b></p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t &#8220;so unusual&#8221; for &#8220;Hardball&#8221; to have a panel consisting of Tucker Carlson, Rita Cosby and Joe Scarborough.  They have done it before.</p>
<p>&#8220;Meet the Press&#8221; <a href="http://www.speakspeak.org/speak-blog/2006/02/27/meet-the-press-panel-without-liberals/" rel="nofollow">also</a> had more conservatives than liberals the week before Sunday.</p>
<p><b>Patricia -</b></p>
<p>How many liberal TV talk show hosts can you name who regularly give their opinions like Bill O&#8217;Reilly, Tucker Carlson, and Joe Scarborough?</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30692</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The real problem for the Dems is that their 60s goals that were good have been implemented, and accepted by the Reps."

So true--all the goals I fought for as a young liberal have been largely achieved.  And trying to convince Americans to vote for Dems by telling them that they are bad people simply will not work.  

And Bold Eric, 
&lt;b&gt;The media and education and popular entertainment are all dominated by the left.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The real problem for the Dems is that their 60s goals that were good have been implemented, and accepted by the Reps.&#8221;</p>
<p>So true&#8211;all the goals I fought for as a young liberal have been largely achieved.  And trying to convince Americans to vote for Dems by telling them that they are bad people simply will not work.  </p>
<p>And Bold Eric,<br />
<b>The media and education and popular entertainment are all dominated by the left.</b></p>
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		<title>By: dick</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30686</link>
		<dc:creator>dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

That set of circumstances is so unusual that it bears looking into.  The normal practice is that if you have a conservative guest then you have to balance that with a liberal at the same panel to discuss while if you have a liberal guest he is there alone.  The other normal practice is that when you introduce the conservative guest, you emphasize that he is a conservative or if you mention an organization or think tank you emphasize that it is conservative;  for a liberal guest you mention his job (congressman or senator or professor) without mentioning his being a liberal and the same goes for your organizations which are either not classified or are classified as non-partisan.  That is still what is going on in the most of the media world.  Liberals don't notice because that seems right and proper to them; we conservatives have known this and complained for decades.

The funny part is that the more partisan the liberal media becomes, the more seats the republicans win; then we hear all about how the media is owned by the conservatives and their lackies with rles and positions coming straight from Karl Rove and the liberals actually say this with a straight face!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>That set of circumstances is so unusual that it bears looking into.  The normal practice is that if you have a conservative guest then you have to balance that with a liberal at the same panel to discuss while if you have a liberal guest he is there alone.  The other normal practice is that when you introduce the conservative guest, you emphasize that he is a conservative or if you mention an organization or think tank you emphasize that it is conservative;  for a liberal guest you mention his job (congressman or senator or professor) without mentioning his being a liberal and the same goes for your organizations which are either not classified or are classified as non-partisan.  That is still what is going on in the most of the media world.  Liberals don&#8217;t notice because that seems right and proper to them; we conservatives have known this and complained for decades.</p>
<p>The funny part is that the more partisan the liberal media becomes, the more seats the republicans win; then we hear all about how the media is owned by the conservatives and their lackies with rles and positions coming straight from Karl Rove and the liberals actually say this with a straight face!!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Jaffa</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30679</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Jaffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;Patricia Says: 

&#62;February 27th, 2006 at 2:22 am 
&#62;Question authority.

&#62;But now â€œauthorityâ€ is the left. 

&lt;b&gt;Republicans control all three branches of the federal government.&lt;/b&gt;

"Hardball" had a &lt;a href="http://www.speakspeak.org/speak-blog/2006/02/24/hardball-tonight-panel-without-liberals/" rel="nofollow"&gt;panel&lt;/a&gt; last week of Tucker Carlson, Joe Scarborough, and Rita Cosby. "Meet the Press" had a &lt;a href="http://www.speakspeak.org/speak-blog/2006/02/27/meet-the-press-panel-without-liberals/" rel="nofollow"&gt;guest list&lt;/a&gt; yesterday of Arnold Schwarzenegger, John Warner and Peter King.

Perhaps you like to think of Republicans as the underdog, but that view doesn't have much in common with what is going on in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Patricia Says: </p>
<p>&gt;February 27th, 2006 at 2:22 am<br />
&gt;Question authority.</p>
<p>&gt;But now â€œauthorityâ€ is the left. </p>
<p><b>Republicans control all three branches of the federal government.</b></p>
<p>&#8220;Hardball&#8221; had a <a href="http://www.speakspeak.org/speak-blog/2006/02/24/hardball-tonight-panel-without-liberals/" rel="nofollow">panel</a> last week of Tucker Carlson, Joe Scarborough, and Rita Cosby. &#8220;Meet the Press&#8221; had a <a href="http://www.speakspeak.org/speak-blog/2006/02/27/meet-the-press-panel-without-liberals/" rel="nofollow">guest list</a> yesterday of Arnold Schwarzenegger, John Warner and Peter King.</p>
<p>Perhaps you like to think of Republicans as the underdog, but that view doesn&#8217;t have much in common with what is going on in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Greenlee</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30678</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth Greenlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff Jarvis:
&lt;blockquote&gt;But what about the internet? Itâ€™s tailor-made for the libertarians. The internet is the embodiment of individual liberty, the great product and celebration of freedom.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Jeff,

I came to the same conclusion in my March, 2005 post &lt;a&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;One final thought before I go earn my daily bread. As a small-l libertarian, I am greatly heartened by the rise of the blogospere. Why? Again, let's look back at the architecture. Journalists have readers. Bloggers have ... bloggers! Again, the devil's advocate says: nonsense! Bloggers have blog readers (or lurkers, to dredge up old Usenet terminology). I am quite willing to admit that many blog readers are content to remain just that. But the Welcome Mat to join the blogging ranks is forever and always there. An intermediate rank between blogger and blog reader is blog commenter. Bloggers love good commenters! Bill Whittle credits getting his start as a commenter on Rachel Lucas' and Kim du Toit's sites. Frank Martin got encouragement as a commenter on Stephen Green's site. And Hugh Hewitt I believe has got be credited with encouraging more bloggers to get started than any other blogger with his Vox Blogoli series, where he introduces a discussion thread and vows to post a link to every response he receives.

So why does this hearten me as a libertarian? Because I want to be surrounded by empowered individuals. When I read a great post on Powerline, or Just One Minute, or Little Green Footballs, I can righteously walk away saying "Yeah, what he said!". Well that's pretty easy, isn't it? But for me to go from "what he said" to "what I say" requires traversing a huge gulf. People will read what you have to say, and many may not like what you say. To articulate your thoughts in writing takes focus, knowledge, and courage. Passivity (even well-informed passivity) takes no particular talent at all.

&lt;b&gt;Another way of putting this is that the blog is a particularly well-suited tool for the libertarian, and, if not an ill-suited tool, at least not a very useful tool for the liberal.&lt;/b&gt; Why? Because the libertarian's wet dream is to live in a world of empowered, expressive adults (those who acknowledge that it is up to each individual to know what's good for themselves, even when it's "obvious" that there are those who don't). The liberal wet dream is to live in a caste society of parents (those who know what's good for everyone else) and children (victims who don't, and can't possibly, know what's good for themselves). Why anyone would want to be a "child" (or a "parent"!) is beyond me.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sorry for the long quote.  There is more "setup" to this passage if you follow the link.  Great insight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Jarvis:</p>
<blockquote><p>But what about the internet? Itâ€™s tailor-made for the libertarians. The internet is the embodiment of individual liberty, the great product and celebration of freedom.</p></blockquote>
<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I came to the same conclusion in my March, 2005 post <a>here</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>One final thought before I go earn my daily bread. As a small-l libertarian, I am greatly heartened by the rise of the blogospere. Why? Again, let&#8217;s look back at the architecture. Journalists have readers. Bloggers have &#8230; bloggers! Again, the devil&#8217;s advocate says: nonsense! Bloggers have blog readers (or lurkers, to dredge up old Usenet terminology). I am quite willing to admit that many blog readers are content to remain just that. But the Welcome Mat to join the blogging ranks is forever and always there. An intermediate rank between blogger and blog reader is blog commenter. Bloggers love good commenters! Bill Whittle credits getting his start as a commenter on Rachel Lucas&#8217; and Kim du Toit&#8217;s sites. Frank Martin got encouragement as a commenter on Stephen Green&#8217;s site. And Hugh Hewitt I believe has got be credited with encouraging more bloggers to get started than any other blogger with his Vox Blogoli series, where he introduces a discussion thread and vows to post a link to every response he receives.</p>
<p>So why does this hearten me as a libertarian? Because I want to be surrounded by empowered individuals. When I read a great post on Powerline, or Just One Minute, or Little Green Footballs, I can righteously walk away saying &#8220;Yeah, what he said!&#8221;. Well that&#8217;s pretty easy, isn&#8217;t it? But for me to go from &#8220;what he said&#8221; to &#8220;what I say&#8221; requires traversing a huge gulf. People will read what you have to say, and many may not like what you say. To articulate your thoughts in writing takes focus, knowledge, and courage. Passivity (even well-informed passivity) takes no particular talent at all.</p>
<p><b>Another way of putting this is that the blog is a particularly well-suited tool for the libertarian, and, if not an ill-suited tool, at least not a very useful tool for the liberal.</b> Why? Because the libertarian&#8217;s wet dream is to live in a world of empowered, expressive adults (those who acknowledge that it is up to each individual to know what&#8217;s good for themselves, even when it&#8217;s &#8220;obvious&#8221; that there are those who don&#8217;t). The liberal wet dream is to live in a caste society of parents (those who know what&#8217;s good for everyone else) and children (victims who don&#8217;t, and can&#8217;t possibly, know what&#8217;s good for themselves). Why anyone would want to be a &#8220;child&#8221; (or a &#8220;parent&#8221;!) is beyond me.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry for the long quote.  There is more &#8220;setup&#8221; to this passage if you follow the link.  Great insight!</p>
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		<title>By: LIKELIHOOD OF CONFUSION &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Yahoo! gives &#8220;comfort&#8221; to trademark owners</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30675</link>
		<dc:creator>LIKELIHOOD OF CONFUSION &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Yahoo! gives &#8220;comfort&#8221; to trademark owners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Meanwhile some people still think the Internet is a libertarian paradise.Â  Dream on, fellows. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30674</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm.

I think what you're ignoring is the impact of a controlled media on a political party.  Consider the following: 

*Politics is a highly competitive venue where the best survive and the worst are weeded out.*

Which on it's face does seem to be rather true.  Now consider what possible outside forces would in fact act as "predators" within this system.  One such predator would be the various media organizations.  As they search for vulnerable prey they force a survival pressure on the population of politicians.  Yet if the media applied this pressure in a biased manner then this predatory pressure would be applied in an unbalanced manner.

In such a circumstance one group would winnowed on a regular basis with the weaker candidates weeded out of office or contention, and the remainder hardened by their experiences.  On the other hand the safe group would not be burdened with such pressures.  In that case the weak would have the same opportunities as the strong, and it would be very difficult to distinguish amongst them when attempting to determine the relative strengths and weaknesses.

Which frankly explains the rather bizzare set of candidates put forth by the Democratic party in 2000, 2002 and 2004.

So my opinion on the impact of the media?  That politics is subject to the process of natural selection and that this helps improve the political parties so subjected.  That political parties that are not subjected to this natural selection risk putting forth candidates that are in fact incapable of winning or, having won, succeeding.

*shrug* my 2 shekels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm.</p>
<p>I think what you&#8217;re ignoring is the impact of a controlled media on a political party.  Consider the following: </p>
<p>*Politics is a highly competitive venue where the best survive and the worst are weeded out.*</p>
<p>Which on it&#8217;s face does seem to be rather true.  Now consider what possible outside forces would in fact act as &#8220;predators&#8221; within this system.  One such predator would be the various media organizations.  As they search for vulnerable prey they force a survival pressure on the population of politicians.  Yet if the media applied this pressure in a biased manner then this predatory pressure would be applied in an unbalanced manner.</p>
<p>In such a circumstance one group would winnowed on a regular basis with the weaker candidates weeded out of office or contention, and the remainder hardened by their experiences.  On the other hand the safe group would not be burdened with such pressures.  In that case the weak would have the same opportunities as the strong, and it would be very difficult to distinguish amongst them when attempting to determine the relative strengths and weaknesses.</p>
<p>Which frankly explains the rather bizzare set of candidates put forth by the Democratic party in 2000, 2002 and 2004.</p>
<p>So my opinion on the impact of the media?  That politics is subject to the process of natural selection and that this helps improve the political parties so subjected.  That political parties that are not subjected to this natural selection risk putting forth candidates that are in fact incapable of winning or, having won, succeeding.</p>
<p>*shrug* my 2 shekels.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Lillywhite</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30666</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Lillywhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting - coming from someone at BBC.  I lived in England and other parts of Europe on and off until 2003 and until 2001 there was no alternative to a liberal/left-wing/socialist/big government/anti-american television media.  Then Fox News stepped in on cable.  Even Sky News (Murdoch owned) was pretty much left-center.  Labor and the Libs had no problem getting their message out since there was no challenging media from the Conservatives.  In fact, apoplexy set in when Blair endorsed the Bush view of WOT.  It through the traditional leftist media for a loop since Labor was their knee-mounted dummy.  If anyone here thinks the NYT or LAT or WAPO or Nation are bastions of left-wing/socialistic secular humanism thought in their reportorial and editorial style manuals then you haven't watched mainstream British television lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting - coming from someone at BBC.  I lived in England and other parts of Europe on and off until 2003 and until 2001 there was no alternative to a liberal/left-wing/socialist/big government/anti-american television media.  Then Fox News stepped in on cable.  Even Sky News (Murdoch owned) was pretty much left-center.  Labor and the Libs had no problem getting their message out since there was no challenging media from the Conservatives.  In fact, apoplexy set in when Blair endorsed the Bush view of WOT.  It through the traditional leftist media for a loop since Labor was their knee-mounted dummy.  If anyone here thinks the NYT or LAT or WAPO or Nation are bastions of left-wing/socialistic secular humanism thought in their reportorial and editorial style manuals then you haven&#8217;t watched mainstream British television lately.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30658</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Andrew Tyndall said.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30652</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any publication or news outlet that can discuss the Supreme Court nomination, mention the Roe decision abortion debate, but FAIL to show any pictures of an aborted fetus, can be called liberal biased -- if such outlet has shown Abu Ghraib pictures, or the Pulitzer Prize winning terrorist execution of innocent Iraqi election workers, or the dung covered Virgin Mary.

The reason to show a few Abu Ghraib pictures is to show part of the "truth"; to show dozens the purpose becomes to change policy.  The reason to NOT show abortion results, especially partial-birth abortions, is to avoid showing that part of the "truth", because of a biased desire to NOT change policy.

The real problem for the Dems is that their 60s goals that were good have been implemented, and accepted by the Reps.  Only the extreme stuff (gay marriage &#38; adoption &#38; total equal gov't support) hasn't been.  And it's obvious that Summers was booted because of violating the PC thought police code of "equality of the sexes (irrespective of the facts)".  

The centrist position is civil unions, not marriage -- but since Bush supports this, the Dems can't.  The centrist position on abortions is "legal, but rare" -- meaning support for parental notification laws; ending partial birth abortions after 6 months (5 months? 4?); waiting periods; no gov't funding. More gov't support for adoption; for single mothers in schools; for part-time jobs (like more gov't part time jobs?).  No party is consistent yet on this -- but the Dems are radical pro-abortion absolutists.

Sorry; but a "bias press" article can only talk about bias with respect to positions.  And the Dems don't have centrist positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any publication or news outlet that can discuss the Supreme Court nomination, mention the Roe decision abortion debate, but FAIL to show any pictures of an aborted fetus, can be called liberal biased &#8212; if such outlet has shown Abu Ghraib pictures, or the Pulitzer Prize winning terrorist execution of innocent Iraqi election workers, or the dung covered Virgin Mary.</p>
<p>The reason to show a few Abu Ghraib pictures is to show part of the &#8220;truth&#8221;; to show dozens the purpose becomes to change policy.  The reason to NOT show abortion results, especially partial-birth abortions, is to avoid showing that part of the &#8220;truth&#8221;, because of a biased desire to NOT change policy.</p>
<p>The real problem for the Dems is that their 60s goals that were good have been implemented, and accepted by the Reps.  Only the extreme stuff (gay marriage &amp; adoption &amp; total equal gov&#8217;t support) hasn&#8217;t been.  And it&#8217;s obvious that Summers was booted because of violating the PC thought police code of &#8220;equality of the sexes (irrespective of the facts)&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The centrist position is civil unions, not marriage &#8212; but since Bush supports this, the Dems can&#8217;t.  The centrist position on abortions is &#8220;legal, but rare&#8221; &#8212; meaning support for parental notification laws; ending partial birth abortions after 6 months (5 months? 4?); waiting periods; no gov&#8217;t funding. More gov&#8217;t support for adoption; for single mothers in schools; for part-time jobs (like more gov&#8217;t part time jobs?).  No party is consistent yet on this &#8212; but the Dems are radical pro-abortion absolutists.</p>
<p>Sorry; but a &#8220;bias press&#8221; article can only talk about bias with respect to positions.  And the Dems don&#8217;t have centrist positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question authority.

But now "authority" is the left.</description>
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		<title>By: Jack Straw</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/02/25/what-liberal-bbc/#comment-30627</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Straw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the medium determines the audience as much as the messenger. Consider who listens to the radio at all during the afternoon (a big generalization coming, with no demographics to support): men and women who are working with their hands, outdoors, or in factories, and can listen to radio while doing other tasks. Those folks are not necessarily GOP, but they are conservative to Clinton-centrist at most. They have jobs, hate taxes, and hold to traditional values. Liberal talk radio has no chance in the daytime environment. 

And who is online developing cyberspace? The first wave were certainly small-L libertarians. Folks that distrust authority, government, Dems, and Republicans. They want reason to dominate, and blogs actually allow them to believe that reason just might stand a chance of surviving.

best,
Jack Straw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the medium determines the audience as much as the messenger. Consider who listens to the radio at all during the afternoon (a big generalization coming, with no demographics to support): men and women who are working with their hands, outdoors, or in factories, and can listen to radio while doing other tasks. Those folks are not necessarily GOP, but they are conservative to Clinton-centrist at most. They have jobs, hate taxes, and hold to traditional values. Liberal talk radio has no chance in the daytime environment. </p>
<p>And who is online developing cyberspace? The first wave were certainly small-L libertarians. Folks that distrust authority, government, Dems, and Republicans. They want reason to dominate, and blogs actually allow them to believe that reason just might stand a chance of surviving.</p>
<p>best,<br />
Jack Straw</p>
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		<title>By: W. James Au</title>
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		<dc:creator>W. James Au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I'm not sure it's accurate to say political bloggers are disproportionately libertarian.  That was definitely true a few years ago, but doesn't seem to be the case now, at least in terms of popularity.  Check out the political blogs in the Technorati top 50:

http://technorati.com/pop/blogs/

Eight are left-liberal, three are conservative, and only one, Instapundit, is consistently libertarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s accurate to say political bloggers are disproportionately libertarian.  That was definitely true a few years ago, but doesn&#8217;t seem to be the case now, at least in terms of popularity.  Check out the political blogs in the Technorati top 50:</p>
<p><a href="http://technorati.com/pop/blogs/" rel="nofollow">http://technorati.com/pop/blogs/</a></p>
<p>Eight are left-liberal, three are conservative, and only one, Instapundit, is consistently libertarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Tyndall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Tyndall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crucial assertion by Webb here is: "There was a belief that there was such a thing as society."

This seems an odd formulation to Americans since it is a reference to a famous assertion by Margaret Thatcher that "there is no such thing." This debate -- whether we live in society, with obligations to our fellow citizens, or whether we live as atomized individuals and families, only guided by self-interest -- is a fundamental difference between the political left and political right back in Britain.

Flowing from this is the idea held by those opposed to Thatcherism that the public square in civil society must be informed by a common set of news, values, information...so that society's debate about how to conduct itself can proceed.

Thus, from a British understanding, atomized, customized and idiosyncratic media -- what the BuzzMachine calls libertarian -- are by definition anti-progressive since they disavow the existence of civil society.

In the United States, Webb's observations carry less weight, in my opinion.

Here there are big-government society-minded liberals (who support, say, universal healthcare, envirnomental regulations, a social safety net) and big-government society-minded conservatives (who support, say, a strong military and law enforcement, stringent immigration border controls, strict laws upholding traditional institutions of marriage).

At the same time there are small-government, libertarian liberals (who support, say, sexual diversity, reproductive freedom, unrestricted narcotics use, multicultural expression) and small-government, libertarian conservatives (who support, say, freedom to bear arms, minimal taxation, unrestricted land-use zoning laws, rejection of so-called political correctness in speech).

Thus in this country both broadcasting and narrowcasting find fans, big government and libertarian respectively, both on left and right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The crucial assertion by Webb here is: &#8220;There was a belief that there was such a thing as society.&#8221;</p>
<p>This seems an odd formulation to Americans since it is a reference to a famous assertion by Margaret Thatcher that &#8220;there is no such thing.&#8221; This debate &#8212; whether we live in society, with obligations to our fellow citizens, or whether we live as atomized individuals and families, only guided by self-interest &#8212; is a fundamental difference between the political left and political right back in Britain.</p>
<p>Flowing from this is the idea held by those opposed to Thatcherism that the public square in civil society must be informed by a common set of news, values, information&#8230;so that society&#8217;s debate about how to conduct itself can proceed.</p>
<p>Thus, from a British understanding, atomized, customized and idiosyncratic media &#8212; what the BuzzMachine calls libertarian &#8212; are by definition anti-progressive since they disavow the existence of civil society.</p>
<p>In the United States, Webb&#8217;s observations carry less weight, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Here there are big-government society-minded liberals (who support, say, universal healthcare, envirnomental regulations, a social safety net) and big-government society-minded conservatives (who support, say, a strong military and law enforcement, stringent immigration border controls, strict laws upholding traditional institutions of marriage).</p>
<p>At the same time there are small-government, libertarian liberals (who support, say, sexual diversity, reproductive freedom, unrestricted narcotics use, multicultural expression) and small-government, libertarian conservatives (who support, say, freedom to bear arms, minimal taxation, unrestricted land-use zoning laws, rejection of so-called political correctness in speech).</p>
<p>Thus in this country both broadcasting and narrowcasting find fans, big government and libertarian respectively, both on left and right.</p>
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