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	<title>Comments on: Does the &#8216;P&#8217; in &#8216;PR&#8217; stand for &#8216;press&#8217; or &#8216;public&#8217;?</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: How To Run an Effective Blogger Review Program &#124; Gauravonomics Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-370181</link>
		<dc:creator>How To Run an Effective Blogger Review Program &#124; Gauravonomics Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogger relations program: Shel Holtz 1, Shel Holtz 2, Richard Edelman 1, Richard Edelman 2, Jeff Jarvis, Dan Gillmor, New York Times. Share This If you enjoyed this post, make sure you subscribe to my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blogger relations program: Shel Holtz 1, Shel Holtz 2, Richard Edelman 1, Richard Edelman 2, Jeff Jarvis, Dan Gillmor, New York Times. Share This If you enjoyed this post, make sure you subscribe to my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: qcontent</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-32186</link>
		<dc:creator>qcontent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff wrote, "Does the â€˜Pâ€™ in â€˜PRâ€™ stand for â€˜pressâ€™ or â€˜publicâ€™?". . .which I would add to in this manner. . ."Does the â€˜Pâ€™ in â€˜PRâ€™ stand for â€˜pressâ€™ or â€˜publicâ€™ OR 'PROPAGANDA'?"--WHICH IN THE END, IS WHAT IT IS REALLY ALL ABOUT, NO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff wrote, &#8220;Does the â€˜Pâ€™ in â€˜PRâ€™ stand for â€˜pressâ€™ or â€˜publicâ€™?&#8221;. . .which I would add to in this manner. . .&#8221;Does the â€˜Pâ€™ in â€˜PRâ€™ stand for â€˜pressâ€™ or â€˜publicâ€™ OR &#8216;PROPAGANDA&#8217;?&#8221;&#8211;WHICH IN THE END, IS WHAT IT IS REALLY ALL ABOUT, NO?</p>
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		<title>By: qcontent</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-32185</link>
		<dc:creator>qcontent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œA lie is only a lie until people start believing it.â€ (Because it was told over and over again, over time, by many diverse and seemingly creditable sources, until many people started to believe it and have faith in it; then most eventually bought into it). â€“Qu paraphrasing Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minster.--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œA lie is only a lie until people start believing it.â€ (Because it was told over and over again, over time, by many diverse and seemingly creditable sources, until many people started to believe it and have faith in it; then most eventually bought into it). â€“Qu paraphrasing Joseph Goebbels, Hitler&#8217;s Propaganda Minster.&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gatekeeper v. amateurs</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31975</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gatekeeper v. amateurs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve been thinking about this because I&#8217;m appearing on Howie Kurtz&#8217; Reliable Sources this morning with PR mogul and blogger Richard Edelman to talk about the Walmart story. And so I&#8217;ve been mulling what he and fellow flack Andy Plesser said in the Observer: Edelman said that journalists &#8220;are not God anymore&#8221; and Plesser said that PR people are &#8220;the gatekeepers for news and information.&#8221; They&#8217;re both right but I hope they&#8217;ll both soon be wrong. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve been thinking about this because I&#8217;m appearing on Howie Kurtz&#8217; Reliable Sources this morning with PR mogul and blogger Richard Edelman to talk about the Walmart story. And so I&#8217;ve been mulling what he and fellow flack Andy Plesser said in the Observer: Edelman said that journalists &#8220;are not God anymore&#8221; and Plesser said that PR people are &#8220;the gatekeepers for news and information.&#8221; They&#8217;re both right but I hope they&#8217;ll both soon be wrong. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: reine Formsache &#187; Wie flirtet man mit Bloggern?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31826</link>
		<dc:creator>reine Formsache &#187; Wie flirtet man mit Bloggern?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In den USA scheint die Diskussion um Wal-Mart und die Blogger abgeebbt - dort bleibt die Frage, warum PR sich nicht auch an Blogger wenden d&#252;rfen soll,was die traditionellen Medien augenscheinlich ablehnen. Warum?Â  Ein wenig klingt es so, als w&#228;ren Redaktionen dort noch immer verunsichert, wenn sie feststellen, dass auch die neuen Kommunikatoren angesprochen und damit &#8220;ernstgenommen&#8221; werden. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In den USA scheint die Diskussion um Wal-Mart und die Blogger abgeebbt - dort bleibt die Frage, warum PR sich nicht auch an Blogger wenden d&#252;rfen soll,was die traditionellen Medien augenscheinlich ablehnen. Warum?Â  Ein wenig klingt es so, als w&#228;ren Redaktionen dort noch immer verunsichert, wenn sie feststellen, dass auch die neuen Kommunikatoren angesprochen und damit &#8220;ernstgenommen&#8221; werden. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The flack flack</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31754</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The flack flack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ll say again: What The Times story about Walmart PR and blogs really exposes is the journalism business&#8217; dependence on flackery and its lack of transparency about that. That&#8217;s a big story that the press should do on the press. I still want to see a PR audit of a day&#8217;s news in the paper and on TV: How many of the stories there and how much of the information there came from PR or from reporting? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ll say again: What The Times story about Walmart PR and blogs really exposes is the journalism business&#8217; dependence on flackery and its lack of transparency about that. That&#8217;s a big story that the press should do on the press. I still want to see a PR audit of a day&#8217;s news in the paper and on TV: How many of the stories there and how much of the information there came from PR or from reporting? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Crazy Politico</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31725</link>
		<dc:creator>Crazy Politico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TLB- I never thought I'd see "Crazy Politico's Rantings" in the NY Times either, especially since I normally beat them like a drum on their one sided coverage :)

Hell, if I knew it was going to be there, the Washington Post, and 3 TV stations (that I've heard of so far) I probably would have thought of a more conventional name!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TLB- I never thought I&#8217;d see &#8220;Crazy Politico&#8217;s Rantings&#8221; in the NY Times either, especially since I normally beat them like a drum on their one sided coverage <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hell, if I knew it was going to be there, the Washington Post, and 3 TV stations (that I&#8217;ve heard of so far) I probably would have thought of a more conventional name!</p>
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		<title>By: reine Formsache &#187; Update: Wal-Mart, Edelman und die Blogger</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31689</link>
		<dc:creator>reine Formsache &#187; Update: Wal-Mart, Edelman und die Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Richard Edelman (President und CEO, Edelman) auf seinem Blog 6 A.M. Paul Holmes (Editor, The Holmes Report) â€“ Holmes Report Blog, hier und hier. Jeff Jarvis auf Buzz Machine. Duncan Black (Left-Leaning Blogger aka â€œAtriosâ€) â€“ Eschaton. Scott Baradell (Idea Grove) â€“ Media Orchard Blog. Dan Gillmor (Autor: â€œWe the Mediaâ€) â€“ Center for Citizen Media: Blog. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Richard Edelman (President und CEO, Edelman) auf seinem Blog 6 A.M. Paul Holmes (Editor, The Holmes Report) â€“ Holmes Report Blog, hier und hier. Jeff Jarvis auf Buzz Machine. Duncan Black (Left-Leaning Blogger aka â€œAtriosâ€) â€“ Eschaton. Scott Baradell (Idea Grove) â€“ Media Orchard Blog. Dan Gillmor (Autor: â€œWe the Mediaâ€) â€“ Center for Citizen Media: Blog. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Feinman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31681</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Feinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an ongoing discussion on the topic of Walmart and bloggers at the Writing on the Wal web site:
http://thewritingonthewal.net

One of the comments is from someone who details the relationships between the PR firm, the Republican party and key members of the Walton family.

By the way Walmart Facts is an astroturf site set up by Walmart, so it is not surprising that the press releases show up there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an ongoing discussion on the topic of Walmart and bloggers at the Writing on the Wal web site:<br />
<a href="http://thewritingonthewal.net" rel="nofollow">http://thewritingonthewal.net</a></p>
<p>One of the comments is from someone who details the relationships between the PR firm, the Republican party and key members of the Walton family.</p>
<p>By the way Walmart Facts is an astroturf site set up by Walmart, so it is not surprising that the press releases show up there.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Guinane</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31676</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Guinane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://bloodandtreasure.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt; Whose Bread I Eat, His Song I Sing.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://bloodandtreasure.com/" rel="nofollow"> Whose Bread I Eat, His Song I Sing.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31672</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With many government agencies sealed off from the public, frequently the only way you find out about something is through a press release.  I used to cover a government demilitarization facility for one of my newspapers, one that handled sarin and VX.  Obviously, there wasn't any way I was getting close to that building.  So all we knew came from the PIOs (who were very good at getting good and bad news out).

I don't think that getting a story from a public relations person is a bad thing; in many instances, it's the only way the press can learn what's going on.  And the PR people I've worked with, generally speaking, have been good at disseminating information.  Keep in mind, though, that a typical newspaper office gets dozens of press releases a day, from the serious to announcements about a revolutionary new toothbrush.  Most reporters work daily beats, and they can come up with stories on their own.  When I've written something from a press release, my editors and I have generally tried to go beyond it, either by looking for additional information or putting the information in the context of what we know.  That's the best approach -- it usually turns an announcement into a good story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With many government agencies sealed off from the public, frequently the only way you find out about something is through a press release.  I used to cover a government demilitarization facility for one of my newspapers, one that handled sarin and VX.  Obviously, there wasn&#8217;t any way I was getting close to that building.  So all we knew came from the PIOs (who were very good at getting good and bad news out).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that getting a story from a public relations person is a bad thing; in many instances, it&#8217;s the only way the press can learn what&#8217;s going on.  And the PR people I&#8217;ve worked with, generally speaking, have been good at disseminating information.  Keep in mind, though, that a typical newspaper office gets dozens of press releases a day, from the serious to announcements about a revolutionary new toothbrush.  Most reporters work daily beats, and they can come up with stories on their own.  When I&#8217;ve written something from a press release, my editors and I have generally tried to go beyond it, either by looking for additional information or putting the information in the context of what we know.  That&#8217;s the best approach &#8212; it usually turns an announcement into a good story.</p>
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		<title>By: NBN - Nothing But Net &#187; links for 2006-03-08</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31669</link>
		<dc:creator>NBN - Nothing But Net &#187; links for 2006-03-08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Does the â€˜Pâ€™ in â€˜PRâ€™ stand for â€˜pressâ€™ or â€˜publicâ€™? &#8220;press optimization companies&#8221; (tags: blog pr media) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TLB</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31653</link>
		<dc:creator>TLB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought I'd read the phrase "Crazy Politico's Rantings" in the NYT. I'll bet they never thought they'd print anything like that phrase either.

While some flackage is no doubt fairly innocent, some kinds are a bit more sinister.

For instance, in 2002 the &lt;a href="http://www.illegalaliens.us/thedenverpost.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Denver Post collaborated with the government of Mexico&lt;/a&gt; on a story supporting illegal immigration. They went on to attack Rep. Tom Tancredo after he complained about the story.

And, if you think either the Chicago Tribune or the N.Y. Daily News have any credibility, look at &lt;a href="http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/003576.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;. Two stories about different sympathetic illegal aliens printed 6 weeks apart, but virtually identical in structure and what they propose. And, there are several more very similar puff pieces in that post's category. I'd really love to know which organization (or country) is providing those puff pieces in case any brave reporters want to come forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought I&#8217;d read the phrase &#8220;Crazy Politico&#8217;s Rantings&#8221; in the NYT. I&#8217;ll bet they never thought they&#8217;d print anything like that phrase either.</p>
<p>While some flackage is no doubt fairly innocent, some kinds are a bit more sinister.</p>
<p>For instance, in 2002 the <a href="http://www.illegalaliens.us/thedenverpost.htm" rel="nofollow">Denver Post collaborated with the government of Mexico</a> on a story supporting illegal immigration. They went on to attack Rep. Tom Tancredo after he complained about the story.</p>
<p>And, if you think either the Chicago Tribune or the N.Y. Daily News have any credibility, look at <a href="http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/003576.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>. Two stories about different sympathetic illegal aliens printed 6 weeks apart, but virtually identical in structure and what they propose. And, there are several more very similar puff pieces in that post&#8217;s category. I&#8217;d really love to know which organization (or country) is providing those puff pieces in case any brave reporters want to come forward.</p>
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		<title>By: John Porcaro</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31645</link>
		<dc:creator>John Porcaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting topic.  We've had similar discussions internally in my team at Microsoft.</description>
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		<title>By: Nancy Swaim</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31644</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Swaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While you're on the subject of full disclosure, the print and electronic
 "reporters" could mention their membership in AFTRA or Newspaper Guild (AFL-CIO).  Labor unions are the source of complaints about Walmart (in collusion with MSM)  because they NEED the 400,000 Walmart employees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you&#8217;re on the subject of full disclosure, the print and electronic<br />
 &#8220;reporters&#8221; could mention their membership in AFTRA or Newspaper Guild (AFL-CIO).  Labor unions are the source of complaints about Walmart (in collusion with MSM)  because they NEED the 400,000 Walmart employees.</p>
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		<title>By: Basic Thinking Blog &#187; Walmart und Edelman im Bloggerpitch</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31643</link>
		<dc:creator>Basic Thinking Blog &#187; Walmart und Edelman im Bloggerpitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis, ein alter Medienhase, gibt den Bloggern einen gut gemeinten Rat:  There is no scandal in the Times story. And in fairness, the Times doesnâ€™t directly present it as a scandal. It points out how Edelman is transparent about its activities and even advises bloggers to be open. No, The Times is merely reporting how PR works. Only the object of this PR is the public, not the press. And some of these people, these bloggers, arenâ€™t as slick as reporters in knowing how to deal with this. So my first reponse is to help bloggers with advice: If you write a post inspired by what you get from a company or its PR agent, say so. If you use facts or quotes from a company, politician, PR agent, or press release, say so (better yet, link to it). If you get anything from a PR agent â€” things, business meetings, social events â€” say so. Your public has a right to know where your information comes from so they can judge it accordingly. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis, ein alter Medienhase, gibt den Bloggern einen gut gemeinten Rat:  There is no scandal in the Times story. And in fairness, the Times doesnâ€™t directly present it as a scandal. It points out how Edelman is transparent about its activities and even advises bloggers to be open. No, The Times is merely reporting how PR works. Only the object of this PR is the public, not the press. And some of these people, these bloggers, arenâ€™t as slick as reporters in knowing how to deal with this. So my first reponse is to help bloggers with advice: If you write a post inspired by what you get from a company or its PR agent, say so. If you use facts or quotes from a company, politician, PR agent, or press release, say so (better yet, link to it). If you get anything from a PR agent â€” things, business meetings, social events â€” say so. Your public has a right to know where your information comes from so they can judge it accordingly. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>jblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as there are lazy reporters, there will be press releases.

And there's certainly no shortage of the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as there are lazy reporters, there will be press releases.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s certainly no shortage of the former.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Schraad</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31635</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Schraad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PR = Public Relations (an action)
PR = Press Release (a thing)

This is not news. For years I have been told by local and national news media that if I wrote an article about my company (or hopefully an issue) it would likely get published. Many publications are ONLY a collection of press releases. The content side of publishing is expensive. The revenue comes from ads. Journalistic integrity aside (which is where it often is) the solution to this equation is not rocket science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PR = Public Relations (an action)<br />
PR = Press Release (a thing)</p>
<p>This is not news. For years I have been told by local and national news media that if I wrote an article about my company (or hopefully an issue) it would likely get published. Many publications are ONLY a collection of press releases. The content side of publishing is expensive. The revenue comes from ads. Journalistic integrity aside (which is where it often is) the solution to this equation is not rocket science.</p>
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		<title>By: Crazy Politico</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31634</link>
		<dc:creator>Crazy Politico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job on the CNBC Closing Bell show. I mentioned your first point on my blog last night, the MSM has been using PR tips for years, and doesn't have a problem with their own lack of disclosure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job on the CNBC Closing Bell show. I mentioned your first point on my blog last night, the MSM has been using PR tips for years, and doesn&#8217;t have a problem with their own lack of disclosure.</p>
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		<title>By: Fard Johnmar</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31633</link>
		<dc:creator>Fard Johnmar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, well, well.  I guess the comments in this thread put to rest the whole debate over whether the press release is dead. It's not, not by a long shot.  See the article that rekindled this sad debate &lt;a href="http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/mt/archives/2006/02/die_press_relea.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, well, well.  I guess the comments in this thread put to rest the whole debate over whether the press release is dead. It&#8217;s not, not by a long shot.  See the article that rekindled this sad debate <a href="http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/mt/archives/2006/02/die_press_relea.php" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Zimmerman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31627</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Zimmerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 21:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully agree Jeff.  Right on the money.  I adopted a policy on AgWired from the beginning to to put anything that I copy out of a release or from someone else's document in italics.  I try always to provide links to where that information came from or at least attribute it, and I specifically mention an item or something that was given to me from a PR person.  These parts of my posts are always accompanied by my own editorial prose.

I wonder how often we read something thinking it's what that person wrote when they did just copy and paste someone else's words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree Jeff.  Right on the money.  I adopted a policy on AgWired from the beginning to to put anything that I copy out of a release or from someone else&#8217;s document in italics.  I try always to provide links to where that information came from or at least attribute it, and I specifically mention an item or something that was given to me from a PR person.  These parts of my posts are always accompanied by my own editorial prose.</p>
<p>I wonder how often we read something thinking it&#8217;s what that person wrote when they did just copy and paste someone else&#8217;s words.</p>
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		<title>By: Bloggers and Disclosure &#124; Center for Citizen Media: Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31623</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloggers and Disclosure &#124; Center for Citizen Media: Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis: I think some newspaper ombudsmen should do PR audits of their papers. How many stories come from flacks without disclosure? How much of the substance of stories comes from flacks without disclosure? How many benefits accrue from flacks and companies without disclosure? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis: I think some newspaper ombudsmen should do PR audits of their papers. How many stories come from flacks without disclosure? How much of the substance of stories comes from flacks without disclosure? How many benefits accrue from flacks and companies without disclosure? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jim in LA</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31619</link>
		<dc:creator>jim in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony is killing me. Being a PR guy, I had an intense conversation with an angry NY Times reporter at 5:30 AM Pacific on the Monday after the Sunday evening when I disclosed material news on behalf of a client to The Wall Street Journal. The Journal, of course, ran the story in Monday's paper. The Times reporter was calling my cell phone to complain that I did not give him the story.

I didn't feel badly at the time: that company, I reasoned, the NY Times didn't really matter all that much, and so what if they were mad. But, reading how The Times really feels about PR stuff, I'm feeling even better...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony is killing me. Being a PR guy, I had an intense conversation with an angry NY Times reporter at 5:30 AM Pacific on the Monday after the Sunday evening when I disclosed material news on behalf of a client to The Wall Street Journal. The Journal, of course, ran the story in Monday&#8217;s paper. The Times reporter was calling my cell phone to complain that I did not give him the story.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t feel badly at the time: that company, I reasoned, the NY Times didn&#8217;t really matter all that much, and so what if they were mad. But, reading how The Times really feels about PR stuff, I&#8217;m feeling even better&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jblog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31618</link>
		<dc:creator>jblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, considering the NY Times' recent reputation for botching (Judith Miller) and fabricating (Jayson Blair) stories, they have no business critiquing the reporting practices of others.

Second, this is the most "Earth Still Orbiting Sun" non-news story in the world.

Speaking as someone who has worked for and with the media for more than 20 years, I can state categorically that reporters regularly and routinely swallow pitches whole from flacks -- even at the New York Times.

The dirty little secret is that many reporters don't mind getting rolled if they agree with the viewpoint of the pitch or if the story is juicy enough, and will happily print verbatim what's handed to them. No work or critical thought required.

Take a look at the publicity antics of groups like PETA and the resulting press coverage and that becomes plain.

For the Times to accuse bloggers of doing something that conventional media do routinely is hypocritical.

The real agenda here, I suspect, is to undermine the credibility of bloggers, who are siphoning off readership from conventional media (like the Times)  at a phenomenal rate. Pretty hamhanded, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, considering the NY Times&#8217; recent reputation for botching (Judith Miller) and fabricating (Jayson Blair) stories, they have no business critiquing the reporting practices of others.</p>
<p>Second, this is the most &#8220;Earth Still Orbiting Sun&#8221; non-news story in the world.</p>
<p>Speaking as someone who has worked for and with the media for more than 20 years, I can state categorically that reporters regularly and routinely swallow pitches whole from flacks &#8212; even at the New York Times.</p>
<p>The dirty little secret is that many reporters don&#8217;t mind getting rolled if they agree with the viewpoint of the pitch or if the story is juicy enough, and will happily print verbatim what&#8217;s handed to them. No work or critical thought required.</p>
<p>Take a look at the publicity antics of groups like PETA and the resulting press coverage and that becomes plain.</p>
<p>For the Times to accuse bloggers of doing something that conventional media do routinely is hypocritical.</p>
<p>The real agenda here, I suspect, is to undermine the credibility of bloggers, who are siphoning off readership from conventional media (like the Times)  at a phenomenal rate. Pretty hamhanded, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Blackshaw</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/07/does-the-p-in-pr-stand-for-press-or-public/#comment-31615</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Blackshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, full disclosure.  I've worked in partnership with most of the major PR firms.  I used to be a press secretary for a California elected official. I presently put out a fair share of press releases, and usually hope (nay, pray) ever-volatile bloggers will create a positive "echo" on my stories.  Now...my comment.  The issue of "disclosure" is going to be one of the most difficult issues to grapple with in marketing and advertising.  It's laced with ambiguity, and some of this stems from the fact that we're all still "inventing things as we go" in this highly dynamic, sometimes turbulent online environment.   We've struggled with this particular issue a great deal with disclosure/transparency with WOMMA (Word of Mouth Marketing Association) in the context of "buzz building" programs, especially those targeted to teens.  This is what led to our draft ethics code (http://www.womma.org/ethicscode.htm).  Is it, for example, sufficient enough for a marketer to encourage teens (or any age segment for that matter) to "disclose" to their peers that the product they are recommending came directly from a marketer...or even a marketing incentive?  And what about product samples?  And then there's the larger issue which web buzz already seems to be suggesting could be an even bigger looming issue: disclosure in "product placement."  Should the same rule Jeff Jarvis alludes to above for media relations also apply to one of the fastest growing advertising arenas?  Will this be a buzz-kill for consumers when watching movies or television shows, or is this, in their eyes, the ultimate triumph of truth.  What does seem clear (and transparent) is that consumers are more demanding and attentive than ever before, and carry far higher expectations about just about anything we say or share; disclose or don't disclose.  This is a very important debate, and it should be continued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, full disclosure.  I&#8217;ve worked in partnership with most of the major PR firms.  I used to be a press secretary for a California elected official. I presently put out a fair share of press releases, and usually hope (nay, pray) ever-volatile bloggers will create a positive &#8220;echo&#8221; on my stories.  Now&#8230;my comment.  The issue of &#8220;disclosure&#8221; is going to be one of the most difficult issues to grapple with in marketing and advertising.  It&#8217;s laced with ambiguity, and some of this stems from the fact that we&#8217;re all still &#8220;inventing things as we go&#8221; in this highly dynamic, sometimes turbulent online environment.   We&#8217;ve struggled with this particular issue a great deal with disclosure/transparency with WOMMA (Word of Mouth Marketing Association) in the context of &#8220;buzz building&#8221; programs, especially those targeted to teens.  This is what led to our draft ethics code (http://www.womma.org/ethicscode.htm).  Is it, for example, sufficient enough for a marketer to encourage teens (or any age segment for that matter) to &#8220;disclose&#8221; to their peers that the product they are recommending came directly from a marketer&#8230;or even a marketing incentive?  And what about product samples?  And then there&#8217;s the larger issue which web buzz already seems to be suggesting could be an even bigger looming issue: disclosure in &#8220;product placement.&#8221;  Should the same rule Jeff Jarvis alludes to above for media relations also apply to one of the fastest growing advertising arenas?  Will this be a buzz-kill for consumers when watching movies or television shows, or is this, in their eyes, the ultimate triumph of truth.  What does seem clear (and transparent) is that consumers are more demanding and attentive than ever before, and carry far higher expectations about just about anything we say or share; disclose or don&#8217;t disclose.  This is a very important debate, and it should be continued.</p>
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