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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If dinosaurs could type</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-33667</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If dinosaurs could type</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What a load of claptrap, what incredible hubris, what foot-dragging stupidity, what an insult to a democracy. And what a good laugh. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What a load of claptrap, what incredible hubris, what foot-dragging stupidity, what an insult to a democracy. And what a good laugh. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Apesnake</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-33617</link>
		<dc:creator>Apesnake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Mr. Jarvis, Thanks.

CaptiousNut says: &lt;i&gt;&quot;The most â€œjustifiableâ€ reason for that anonymous post was its untrammeled ignorance.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I disagree. As someone who posts to a blog under a pseudonym as I do, I suspect that you might agree that anonymity allows people to express thoughts and ideas which they would otherwise feel pressured by society to keep to themselves. While I make it a point to try to never say anything online that I could not defend if confronted with in my personal life (anonymity is never absolute after all), I find that being free of the immediate pressure of family, peers and coworkers allows me to ask questions, make criticisms, arguments and observations that I would not feel free to in my personal life. 

Just because the comments of this anonymous &quot;journalist&quot; are unimpressive does not change the fact that anonymity can be a beneficial thing and in no way detracts from the worth of the comment maker. There is also the fact that anyone (who has not already lost all anonymity by being in the public eye) who puts their real name up on the Internet is riding for a fall. If this journalist fellow had felt obliged to use his real name he probably would not have risked bringing embarrassment to his employer (which, given his arguments is a near certainty) so we would not have gotten to see Mr. Jarvis&#039; reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Mr. Jarvis, Thanks.</p>
<p>CaptiousNut says: <i>&#8220;The most â€œjustifiableâ€ reason for that anonymous post was its untrammeled ignorance.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I disagree. As someone who posts to a blog under a pseudonym as I do, I suspect that you might agree that anonymity allows people to express thoughts and ideas which they would otherwise feel pressured by society to keep to themselves. While I make it a point to try to never say anything online that I could not defend if confronted with in my personal life (anonymity is never absolute after all), I find that being free of the immediate pressure of family, peers and coworkers allows me to ask questions, make criticisms, arguments and observations that I would not feel free to in my personal life. </p>
<p>Just because the comments of this anonymous &#8220;journalist&#8221; are unimpressive does not change the fact that anonymity can be a beneficial thing and in no way detracts from the worth of the comment maker. There is also the fact that anyone (who has not already lost all anonymity by being in the public eye) who puts their real name up on the Internet is riding for a fall. If this journalist fellow had felt obliged to use his real name he probably would not have risked bringing embarrassment to his employer (which, given his arguments is a near certainty) so we would not have gotten to see Mr. Jarvis&#8217; reply.</p>
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		<title>By: Brewed Fresh Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Boring Made Dull: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32938</link>
		<dc:creator>Brewed Fresh Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Boring Made Dull: Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tim Russo sent me this link, that he got from Jeff Hess&#8217; HaveCoffeeWillWrite.com, but I didn&#8217;t get a chance to read it then and I like what McKee has to say: Takes some poor ol&#8217; &#8220;journalist&#8221; and beats &#8216;im like a rented mule. Except the mule doesn&#8217;t get hit this hard. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tim Russo sent me this link, that he got from Jeff Hess&#8217; HaveCoffeeWillWrite.com, but I didn&#8217;t get a chance to read it then and I like what McKee has to say: Takes some poor ol&rsquo; &ldquo;journalist&rdquo; and beats &lsquo;im like a rented mule. Except the mule doesn&rsquo;t get hit this hard. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: think mojo &#187; Feeling like a cheap spammer</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32734</link>
		<dc:creator>think mojo &#187; Feeling like a cheap spammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] No sudden spike in donations, but readership went up by 600%, leaving me to feel like a cheap spammer, the description fittingly used by Scott Chaffin to describe Matt Stover&#8217;s efforts in the comments section over at the Buzzmachine, where his comment was so completely unrelated to the Jeff Jarvis post it beggared belief. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] No sudden spike in donations, but readership went up by 600%, leaving me to feel like a cheap spammer, the description fittingly used by Scott Chaffin to describe Matt Stover&#8217;s efforts in the comments section over at the Buzzmachine, where his comment was so completely unrelated to the Jeff Jarvis post it beggared belief. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Maverick Bibliographer</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32646</link>
		<dc:creator>Maverick Bibliographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would not usually comment here, but the part of the post about some people not having online access did bother me. Just because NetZero has internet access for $9.95 does not automatically mean that everyone has a computer. And before you say that computers are getting cheaper, which they are (I will certainly grant that), there is still a significant segment of the population that does not have computer access. And while many public libraries do provide free access to the internet, not everyone has access to a public library in an era where libraries are facing major budget and funding cuts, often from people who fail to see the public good as they jump online to leave others behind. Now, I am certainly not saying we should use your rocketship image of waiting for everyone to go on board, nor am I saying that newspapers should not be moving online, because they should. But if 60-70% of people are online, that still leaves another large segment without access. Are they to be left behind because they may or not be able to get on a computer? Are they any less worthy of being informed? Is it just tend to the rich and wealthy, and forget everyone else? 

And in case you wonder why I don&#039;t post my real name? I like my job just fine. 

Best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not usually comment here, but the part of the post about some people not having online access did bother me. Just because NetZero has internet access for $9.95 does not automatically mean that everyone has a computer. And before you say that computers are getting cheaper, which they are (I will certainly grant that), there is still a significant segment of the population that does not have computer access. And while many public libraries do provide free access to the internet, not everyone has access to a public library in an era where libraries are facing major budget and funding cuts, often from people who fail to see the public good as they jump online to leave others behind. Now, I am certainly not saying we should use your rocketship image of waiting for everyone to go on board, nor am I saying that newspapers should not be moving online, because they should. But if 60-70% of people are online, that still leaves another large segment without access. Are they to be left behind because they may or not be able to get on a computer? Are they any less worthy of being informed? Is it just tend to the rich and wealthy, and forget everyone else? </p>
<p>And in case you wonder why I don&#8217;t post my real name? I like my job just fine. </p>
<p>Best.</p>
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		<title>By: Veeshir</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32633</link>
		<dc:creator>Veeshir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;An uninformed society quickly becomes feudal.&lt;/b&gt;
Examples? Or just something that &quot;journalist&quot; heard somewhere that sounded profound? But that&#039;s not really important. 

What is important is that newspapers are not a way to become informed. They pass along so much dis- and mis-information that they&#039;re not really useful as a source of information. They have a front page, above the fold article on something they really feel passionate about. Then, when it turns out the story was really too good to be true, the correction goes on pg 17. 

I used to read the NY Times every day. Then, they were my Internet home-page from 1997-2004. I don&#039;t even bother reading them anymore as they no longer inform so much as slant what they tell so I think &#039;correctly&#039;. 

Newspapers don&#039;t &quot;inform&quot;, they spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>An uninformed society quickly becomes feudal.</b><br />
Examples? Or just something that &#8220;journalist&#8221; heard somewhere that sounded profound? But that&#8217;s not really important. </p>
<p>What is important is that newspapers are not a way to become informed. They pass along so much dis- and mis-information that they&#8217;re not really useful as a source of information. They have a front page, above the fold article on something they really feel passionate about. Then, when it turns out the story was really too good to be true, the correction goes on pg 17. </p>
<p>I used to read the NY Times every day. Then, they were my Internet home-page from 1997-2004. I don&#8217;t even bother reading them anymore as they no longer inform so much as slant what they tell so I think &#8216;correctly&#8217;. </p>
<p>Newspapers don&#8217;t &#8220;inform&#8221;, they spin.</p>
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		<title>By: journalist</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32622</link>
		<dc:creator>journalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We are all â€œweb journalistsâ€ you dope.&lt;/i&gt;

Amazing. Enjoy your echo chamber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We are all â€œweb journalistsâ€ you dope.</i></p>
<p>Amazing. Enjoy your echo chamber.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32618</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic response Jeff. To be honest, I&#039;d never read a piece of yours that had me totally nodding along. I know that doens&#039;t matter, but it&#039;s a compliment: this is the best piece (to me) that you&#039;ve ever written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic response Jeff. To be honest, I&#8217;d never read a piece of yours that had me totally nodding along. I know that doens&#8217;t matter, but it&#8217;s a compliment: this is the best piece (to me) that you&#8217;ve ever written.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptiousNut</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32570</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptiousNut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Behold, the anonymous &quot;journalist&quot; has unleashed his &quot;rejoinder&quot;.

&lt;em&gt;As to why Iâ€™m anonymous, youâ€™ve invited that, and I prefer it to the spotlight.&lt;/em&gt;

Spotlight?

Don&#039;t you mean the ignominy of having getting lambasted on a worldwide stage?

We are all &quot;web journalists&quot; you dope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Behold, the anonymous &#8220;journalist&#8221; has unleashed his &#8220;rejoinder&#8221;.</p>
<p><em>As to why Iâ€™m anonymous, youâ€™ve invited that, and I prefer it to the spotlight.</em></p>
<p>Spotlight?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you mean the ignominy of having getting lambasted on a worldwide stage?</p>
<p>We are all &#8220;web journalists&#8221; you dope.</p>
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		<title>By: NotEdwardRMurrow</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32527</link>
		<dc:creator>NotEdwardRMurrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, is it your opinion that there&#039;s no need for, no value to having, a &quot;Fourth Estate&quot;?

And what in your opinion constitutes &quot;Merit&quot; in online news?
Flawed and biased, at least the print media has a form of meritocracy.
Not every numbskull who can scribble is given a voice.  
Is that bad?

I dunno, it seems like &quot;serious news&quot; has become so trivialized and diluted with the thousands of clown acts posing as News Sites that important issues no longer have any weight at all and no longer force any attention.  The murder of civilians in Iraq by US troops is reduced to &quot;d3wd u sux0r!&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, is it your opinion that there&#8217;s no need for, no value to having, a &#8220;Fourth Estate&#8221;?</p>
<p>And what in your opinion constitutes &#8220;Merit&#8221; in online news?<br />
Flawed and biased, at least the print media has a form of meritocracy.<br />
Not every numbskull who can scribble is given a voice.<br />
Is that bad?</p>
<p>I dunno, it seems like &#8220;serious news&#8221; has become so trivialized and diluted with the thousands of clown acts posing as News Sites that important issues no longer have any weight at all and no longer force any attention.  The murder of civilians in Iraq by US troops is reduced to &#8220;d3wd u sux0r!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: journalist</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32493</link>
		<dc:creator>journalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 03:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you and many of the comments above argue with a voice you assume comes from an ink-stained dinosaur.  

I&#039;m a longtime web journalist living the day-to-day reality of what I wrote.

These are real problems. The people who might nod at that sentence are not here. That&#039;s one of the problems.

As to why I&#039;m anonymous, you&#039;ve invited that, and I prefer it to the spotlight. Since my early days online I&#039;ve kept a self apart from my job.

It doesn&#039;t matter who I am, or who says this. A report from a different edge got dropped at your place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you and many of the comments above argue with a voice you assume comes from an ink-stained dinosaur.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a longtime web journalist living the day-to-day reality of what I wrote.</p>
<p>These are real problems. The people who might nod at that sentence are not here. That&#8217;s one of the problems.</p>
<p>As to why I&#8217;m anonymous, you&#8217;ve invited that, and I prefer it to the spotlight. Since my early days online I&#8217;ve kept a self apart from my job.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter who I am, or who says this. A report from a different edge got dropped at your place.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32487</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Harding Davis wrote a short story - &quot;Gallegher: A Newspaper Story&quot;.  I doubt Journalist would recognize that Philadelphia or the kind of news-nose that young Gallegher had.

I bet some others would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Harding Davis wrote a short story &#8211; &#8220;Gallegher: A Newspaper Story&#8221;.  I doubt Journalist would recognize that Philadelphia or the kind of news-nose that young Gallegher had.</p>
<p>I bet some others would.</p>
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		<title>By: JennyD</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32477</link>
		<dc:creator>JennyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 01:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You tell &#039;em, Jeff. No one cares about the pack at the press conference, all covering the same thing.

I was once a local journalist, and we were looked down on by the bigfoots from national news, or from the big newspaper. They swooped in for a murder or some other big story. But they weren&#039;t there for the daily life of a community.

Big newspapers, with their bureaus and zoned editions, fractions of staff for a big geographical region, while everyone at the newspaper knew the big stuff happened at the big newsroom. Did you ever see a reporter get promoted to bureau...besides Washington DC?

Tell Journalist to tell Debbie Galant about how local news is something no one cares about.

Jeff the reason the editors, from Fred Flinstone to Interested in Internet, will never get it is because their worldview is built on the notion that local news, news close to people&#039;s lives, is boring and unimportant. But news from the Statehouse or from some federal bureau of something is important. These bigshot editors think having someone stationed on Air Force One, or having a reporter in London when you&#039;re coverage area is a city in the Midwest, is prestigious and important. It&#039;s not. 

I&#039;ve got so much to say about this, I can barely organize my thoughts. (PS. Please tell your former employer to do something about their dreadful websites.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You tell &#8216;em, Jeff. No one cares about the pack at the press conference, all covering the same thing.</p>
<p>I was once a local journalist, and we were looked down on by the bigfoots from national news, or from the big newspaper. They swooped in for a murder or some other big story. But they weren&#8217;t there for the daily life of a community.</p>
<p>Big newspapers, with their bureaus and zoned editions, fractions of staff for a big geographical region, while everyone at the newspaper knew the big stuff happened at the big newsroom. Did you ever see a reporter get promoted to bureau&#8230;besides Washington DC?</p>
<p>Tell Journalist to tell Debbie Galant about how local news is something no one cares about.</p>
<p>Jeff the reason the editors, from Fred Flinstone to Interested in Internet, will never get it is because their worldview is built on the notion that local news, news close to people&#8217;s lives, is boring and unimportant. But news from the Statehouse or from some federal bureau of something is important. These bigshot editors think having someone stationed on Air Force One, or having a reporter in London when you&#8217;re coverage area is a city in the Midwest, is prestigious and important. It&#8217;s not. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got so much to say about this, I can barely organize my thoughts. (PS. Please tell your former employer to do something about their dreadful websites.)</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Lynch</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32468</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

Fantastic job of beating back his arguments. I admire your organized and logical thinking.

He had his plays well memorized though...digital divide, corporate profits, execs fleeing for the beaches. 

Of course, he forgets to mention the former Inquirer writers and editors that now are well paid and work for NPR (William Marimow) or those at the Pew Foundation (forget the name) or The Constitution center (Jane Eisner). 

Lastly, I drove a truck for the Evening Bulletin (Philly) for 7 years (late 1970&#039;s) while I was in college (tells you I was a great student huh). It was union job and paid great.  The old union guys had a saying &quot;if you got fired by the Inquirer, go and get a job at the Daily news, if they fire you, go to work for the Bulletin for the rest of your life&quot;). That was true until like most afternoon papers it folded in 1982. 

Really enjoy your work.

Thanks,

AJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>Fantastic job of beating back his arguments. I admire your organized and logical thinking.</p>
<p>He had his plays well memorized though&#8230;digital divide, corporate profits, execs fleeing for the beaches. </p>
<p>Of course, he forgets to mention the former Inquirer writers and editors that now are well paid and work for NPR (William Marimow) or those at the Pew Foundation (forget the name) or The Constitution center (Jane Eisner). </p>
<p>Lastly, I drove a truck for the Evening Bulletin (Philly) for 7 years (late 1970&#8217;s) while I was in college (tells you I was a great student huh). It was union job and paid great.  The old union guys had a saying &#8220;if you got fired by the Inquirer, go and get a job at the Daily news, if they fire you, go to work for the Bulletin for the rest of your life&#8221;). That was true until like most afternoon papers it folded in 1982. </p>
<p>Really enjoy your work.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>AJ</p>
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		<title>By: Grayson</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32462</link>
		<dc:creator>Grayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awww Dude... not the golf writers. How&#039;m I gonna get my child support check every month? Leave one or two of &#039;em sprinkled around to bear witness to the carnage. Lord knows, the golf writers aren&#039;t bothering anyone. Haven&#039;t for years, now that I think about it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awww Dude&#8230; not the golf writers. How&#8217;m I gonna get my child support check every month? Leave one or two of &#8216;em sprinkled around to bear witness to the carnage. Lord knows, the golf writers aren&#8217;t bothering anyone. Haven&#8217;t for years, now that I think about it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Have Coffee Will Write &#187; OUT IN THE COLD&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32448</link>
		<dc:creator>Have Coffee Will Write &#187; OUT IN THE COLD&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis delivers a longish fisking of an anonymous journalists pleas for job security. The poor fellow is seeing his dead-tree media job swirling down the porcelien bowl and he doesn&#8217;t seem to be prepared to actually get up off his butt and do something that would actually make what he does valuable to the people who really do need his expert services. Writes Jarvis: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis delivers a longish fisking of an anonymous journalists pleas for job security. The poor fellow is seeing his dead-tree media job swirling down the porcelien bowl and he doesn&#8217;t seem to be prepared to actually get up off his butt and do something that would actually make what he does valuable to the people who really do need his expert services. Writes Jarvis: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32443</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Change journalist to autoworker, and you get the same thing.

Same whine, different bottle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Change journalist to autoworker, and you get the same thing.</p>
<p>Same whine, different bottle.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Feinman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32441</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Feinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:
Seems like you are taking on a job in a dying industry. Should CUNY change the name of their new program to blogging instead of journalism? (wink)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:<br />
Seems like you are taking on a job in a dying industry. Should CUNY change the name of their new program to blogging instead of journalism? (wink)</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Shelton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32432</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Shelton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in college I remember meeting a woman who was in the library science graduate program.  I asked her, why is it that you decided to study library science?  To which she replied that she hated computers and loved books and wanted a career where she would be around books...  I am afraid I couldn&#039;t stop laughing.  I told her that she had chosen exactly the wrong profession as libraries were going to become increasingly computerized over the coming decades.  That was 1980 something.  25 years later it seems we still have people seeking out professions where they think will avoid these things called computers - this time it is a &quot;Journalist.&quot; 

How ironic that anyone (librarian or journalist) in a field that is all about information would hate the idea that information could spread more quickly, more widely, and be discovered by interested people more precisely.  And how sad.  

Change is hard.  People do it poorly.  And yet somehow we live in a world with flush toilets and jet airplanes, and the Internet.  So luckily for the rest of us Ludd and his kin keep losing this battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in college I remember meeting a woman who was in the library science graduate program.  I asked her, why is it that you decided to study library science?  To which she replied that she hated computers and loved books and wanted a career where she would be around books&#8230;  I am afraid I couldn&#8217;t stop laughing.  I told her that she had chosen exactly the wrong profession as libraries were going to become increasingly computerized over the coming decades.  That was 1980 something.  25 years later it seems we still have people seeking out professions where they think will avoid these things called computers &#8211; this time it is a &#8220;Journalist.&#8221; </p>
<p>How ironic that anyone (librarian or journalist) in a field that is all about information would hate the idea that information could spread more quickly, more widely, and be discovered by interested people more precisely.  And how sad.  </p>
<p>Change is hard.  People do it poorly.  And yet somehow we live in a world with flush toilets and jet airplanes, and the Internet.  So luckily for the rest of us Ludd and his kin keep losing this battle.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Zimmer</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32427</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff: &lt;i&gt;Iâ€™m criticizing the culture that not only discourages but even punishes conversation. Iâ€™d like to hear Journalist say why she or he is anonymous; thatâ€™s why I made a point of it.&lt;/i&gt;

Got it - thanks for the clarification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff: <i>Iâ€™m criticizing the culture that not only discourages but even punishes conversation. Iâ€™d like to hear Journalist say why she or he is anonymous; thatâ€™s why I made a point of it.</i></p>
<p>Got it &#8211; thanks for the clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Chaffin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32426</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Chaffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb, Jeffro.  Go get &#039;em, pard.

Matt, you&#039;re a spamming toad...I&#039;d ban your lame ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb, Jeffro.  Go get &#8216;em, pard.</p>
<p>Matt, you&#8217;re a spamming toad&#8230;I&#8217;d ban your lame ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Halbur</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32425</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Halbur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the last few months I have been reading a number of blogs predicting the demise of the newspaper.  As a matter of disclosure, I&#039;m in no way affiliated with any newspaper but instead am just an avid reader of them.  I am also an avid reader of blogs, meme&#039;s, and news web sites.

I like getting my information in a variety of ways, including the newspaper.  While I realize that the information may not be up to the second, I really don&#039;t need up to the second for a lot of information.  I&#039;m not making stock trades based on this information, I&#039;m just learning about what is going on in the world, and in the country, and the state, and the county, and the local area.  If I were making trades, sure, I would use the real time information sources, but other than a small minority of the time, who really needs the information blasting to them at every turn of their head or click of the keyboard.

As for getting the information when I want to and not on the newspapers schedule, well, I suppose I could read the paper at 7:00 in the morning, or, 7:00 at night.  Sure, I&#039;m on their schedule rather than mine for the next day&#039;s news, but again, does it matter if it&#039;s current to the minute?  

What I find humorous about the meme&#039;s out there, Digg, memorandum, Tailrank, etc, is that what are they, but a summary of the news.  And, what is a newspaper, but a summary of the news.  How often do articles change on the meme&#039;s?  I don&#039;t know, but, we have Scoble and Weiner talking about new way&#039;s to present the news because the main articles in the middle of the screen just don&#039;t change often enough to warrent checking all day long.

And what about the fact that most blog&#039;s don&#039;t break news stories, but instead add subjective, and valuable, context to the stories?  There certainly are blogs that break stories, as documented in Paul Kedrosky&#039;s blog, but, are there that many?  And not to say that newspapers break all the stories either, they don&#039;t, they regurgitate a lot of stores just like the blogs.  But, they do break a fair number of stories, and, if we depend on blogs for our information, who&#039;s going to break the stories that they add commentary on?  

So the loss of the newspaper journalist does concern me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the last few months I have been reading a number of blogs predicting the demise of the newspaper.  As a matter of disclosure, I&#8217;m in no way affiliated with any newspaper but instead am just an avid reader of them.  I am also an avid reader of blogs, meme&#8217;s, and news web sites.</p>
<p>I like getting my information in a variety of ways, including the newspaper.  While I realize that the information may not be up to the second, I really don&#8217;t need up to the second for a lot of information.  I&#8217;m not making stock trades based on this information, I&#8217;m just learning about what is going on in the world, and in the country, and the state, and the county, and the local area.  If I were making trades, sure, I would use the real time information sources, but other than a small minority of the time, who really needs the information blasting to them at every turn of their head or click of the keyboard.</p>
<p>As for getting the information when I want to and not on the newspapers schedule, well, I suppose I could read the paper at 7:00 in the morning, or, 7:00 at night.  Sure, I&#8217;m on their schedule rather than mine for the next day&#8217;s news, but again, does it matter if it&#8217;s current to the minute?  </p>
<p>What I find humorous about the meme&#8217;s out there, Digg, memorandum, Tailrank, etc, is that what are they, but a summary of the news.  And, what is a newspaper, but a summary of the news.  How often do articles change on the meme&#8217;s?  I don&#8217;t know, but, we have Scoble and Weiner talking about new way&#8217;s to present the news because the main articles in the middle of the screen just don&#8217;t change often enough to warrent checking all day long.</p>
<p>And what about the fact that most blog&#8217;s don&#8217;t break news stories, but instead add subjective, and valuable, context to the stories?  There certainly are blogs that break stories, as documented in Paul Kedrosky&#8217;s blog, but, are there that many?  And not to say that newspapers break all the stories either, they don&#8217;t, they regurgitate a lot of stores just like the blogs.  But, they do break a fair number of stories, and, if we depend on blogs for our information, who&#8217;s going to break the stories that they add commentary on?  </p>
<p>So the loss of the newspaper journalist does concern me.</p>
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		<title>By: Cain</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32423</link>
		<dc:creator>Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday, Senator Russell Feingold (D-WI) introduced a Motion of Censure on the floor of the US Senate, to formally take Our Commander in Cheat to task for violating the Constitution and the law in his illegal domestic wiretapping program. Astonishingly enough, the main response from the Republican leadership (specifically, Dr. Bill &quot;I&#039;ve seen the videotape and in my medical opinion she&#039;s conscious&quot; Frist) was they they couldn&#039;t support the motion on the grounds that -- and this is a direct quote -- &quot;it would send the wrong signal around the world.&quot;

This is the man, by the way, who wants to be the next Republican President of the United States.

(READ MORE HERE: http://mattstover.blogspot.com/2006/03/so.html)

None of these idiots seems to comprehend that invading a nation which has not attacked us, killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians (the current best estimate, which our Pentagon continues to suppress, is 25-30,000 Iraqi civilians died in the actual fighting, and the bump in overall death rate from all factors, comparing pre- and post-invasion, suggests that the invasion of Iraq was responsible, by the end of 2004, for 130,000 Iraqi civilian deaths. And we wonder why they hate us . . .), kidnapping innocent citizens of friendly nations and shipping them off without trial or even the faintest shred of evidentiary review to be tortured -- not to mention maintaining our own officially-sanctioned torture chambers in Cuba, Iraq and Afghanistan, and having an executive banch of government (Constitutionally charged with enforcing the our nation&#039;s laws) openly declaring that our nation&#039;s law does not apply to them . . .

I mean, how much more wrong can our fucking signals get? Ahhh, anyway. Anyone still wondering about the actual legality of the domestic wiretap program might want to check out the details here:  www.nybooks.com/articles/18650</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, Senator Russell Feingold (D-WI) introduced a Motion of Censure on the floor of the US Senate, to formally take Our Commander in Cheat to task for violating the Constitution and the law in his illegal domestic wiretapping program. Astonishingly enough, the main response from the Republican leadership (specifically, Dr. Bill &#8220;I&#8217;ve seen the videotape and in my medical opinion she&#8217;s conscious&#8221; Frist) was they they couldn&#8217;t support the motion on the grounds that &#8212; and this is a direct quote &#8212; &#8220;it would send the wrong signal around the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the man, by the way, who wants to be the next Republican President of the United States.</p>
<p>(READ MORE HERE: <a href="http://mattstover.blogspot.com/2006/03/so.html)" rel="nofollow">http://mattstover.blogspot.com/2006/03/so.html)</a></p>
<p>None of these idiots seems to comprehend that invading a nation which has not attacked us, killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians (the current best estimate, which our Pentagon continues to suppress, is 25-30,000 Iraqi civilians died in the actual fighting, and the bump in overall death rate from all factors, comparing pre- and post-invasion, suggests that the invasion of Iraq was responsible, by the end of 2004, for 130,000 Iraqi civilian deaths. And we wonder why they hate us . . .), kidnapping innocent citizens of friendly nations and shipping them off without trial or even the faintest shred of evidentiary review to be tortured &#8212; not to mention maintaining our own officially-sanctioned torture chambers in Cuba, Iraq and Afghanistan, and having an executive banch of government (Constitutionally charged with enforcing the our nation&#8217;s laws) openly declaring that our nation&#8217;s law does not apply to them . . .</p>
<p>I mean, how much more wrong can our fucking signals get? Ahhh, anyway. Anyone still wondering about the actual legality of the domestic wiretap program might want to check out the details here:  <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18650" rel="nofollow">http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18650</a></p>
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		<title>By: Question for "journalist"</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32417</link>
		<dc:creator>Question for "journalist"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internet = Hitler?</description>
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		<title>By: LeatherPenguin: &#8220;Umbrage&#8221; is Just a Start &#187; A &#8220;Fisking?&#8221; More Like an &#8220;Obliterating&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/15/get-me-rewrite/#comment-32415</link>
		<dc:creator>LeatherPenguin: &#8220;Umbrage&#8221; is Just a Start &#187; A &#8220;Fisking?&#8221; More Like an &#8220;Obliterating&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read the whole thing.  Filed under: Staten Island and Media Comments: [...]</description>
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