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	<title>Comments on: Seems like old times</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Manuel</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/24/seems-like-old-times/#comment-34015</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, if I hear of chickens me badly the bird flu to have we of China get now the Chinese to have from the USA google gotten.  Unfortunately neither of them gives a vaccine, unfortunate or for.  I would like to mention still one the bird flu to have we soon in the grasp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, if I hear of chickens me badly the bird flu to have we of China get now the Chinese to have from the USA google gotten.  Unfortunately neither of them gives a vaccine, unfortunate or for.  I would like to mention still one the bird flu to have we soon in the grasp</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Doctor</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/24/seems-like-old-times/#comment-34013</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newspapers' marketing budgets are usually so minuscule that only their R &#38; D budgets are smaller. Since the R &#38; D line rarely shows up in news company financials, that's saying something.

This campaign is a major one --costing $50 million -- launched ahead of the annual NAA meeting in Chicago first week of April.

Yes, it is unintentionally Pythonesque, and, oh, it does give us the feeling of the life is being squeezed out of the industry some of us love.

"Destination, not Distraction," is an interesing choice. It's increasingly clear that in fact news companies' own websites, their "destination" sites, are in fact not an essential part of community life -- essential in the way the papers have long been. Too much of the industy is stuck in a destination mindset, as if this is time of Andrew Carnegie and not Sergei Brin. The old mindset of vertical integraton, and forcing reader customers to come to "destination" sites is working poorly and less well over time. It's hard for the industry to come to an inescapable conclusion: it must figure out a new compact with Googles and Yahoos, one that acknowledges who has the eyeballs and who has the content, and what's fair compensation.

Getting to a finish line with them won't be easy, but such campaigns as this are but distractions on the road to getting there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newspapers&#8217; marketing budgets are usually so minuscule that only their R &amp; D budgets are smaller. Since the R &amp; D line rarely shows up in news company financials, that&#8217;s saying something.</p>
<p>This campaign is a major one &#8211;costing $50 million &#8212; launched ahead of the annual NAA meeting in Chicago first week of April.</p>
<p>Yes, it is unintentionally Pythonesque, and, oh, it does give us the feeling of the life is being squeezed out of the industry some of us love.</p>
<p>&#8220;Destination, not Distraction,&#8221; is an interesing choice. It&#8217;s increasingly clear that in fact news companies&#8217; own websites, their &#8220;destination&#8221; sites, are in fact not an essential part of community life &#8212; essential in the way the papers have long been. Too much of the industy is stuck in a destination mindset, as if this is time of Andrew Carnegie and not Sergei Brin. The old mindset of vertical integraton, and forcing reader customers to come to &#8220;destination&#8221; sites is working poorly and less well over time. It&#8217;s hard for the industry to come to an inescapable conclusion: it must figure out a new compact with Googles and Yahoos, one that acknowledges who has the eyeballs and who has the content, and what&#8217;s fair compensation.</p>
<p>Getting to a finish line with them won&#8217;t be easy, but such campaigns as this are but distractions on the road to getting there.</p>
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		<title>By: Carson Fire</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/24/seems-like-old-times/#comment-33991</link>
		<dc:creator>Carson Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes! Fails both in presenting a coherent statement *and* in emulating Python.

Putting a photograph of a beanie on top of the same clip art you'd find in a Trader's Joe catalog hardly rates as Pythonesque.

Worse, from a graphic standpoint, the presentation features a big, centered block of absolutely nothing. Your eye just falls into that blue sky, and is only occasionally distracted by the pointlessly looping hand nearby.

If they had any faith in that almost meaningless slogan, it should have been floating in big, chunky, Gilliamesque block letters in the sky, where there is now only an empty blue field. But the look seems to be at odds with the slogan, anyway, doesn't it? Presumably, by "distraction" they mean web advertising, most of which generally looks more targeted and effective than that mess.

If they were set on Pythonesque, they should have pasted together old clown images and made clear that the carnival presentation represented a waste of their advertising dollars on the internet, then work the rest of the ad's graphics in such a way to show more normal people showing interest in newspaper advertising. I may not be a big fan of newspapers, but I do think there's a reasonable pitch, there... they just failed to make it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes! Fails both in presenting a coherent statement *and* in emulating Python.</p>
<p>Putting a photograph of a beanie on top of the same clip art you&#8217;d find in a Trader&#8217;s Joe catalog hardly rates as Pythonesque.</p>
<p>Worse, from a graphic standpoint, the presentation features a big, centered block of absolutely nothing. Your eye just falls into that blue sky, and is only occasionally distracted by the pointlessly looping hand nearby.</p>
<p>If they had any faith in that almost meaningless slogan, it should have been floating in big, chunky, Gilliamesque block letters in the sky, where there is now only an empty blue field. But the look seems to be at odds with the slogan, anyway, doesn&#8217;t it? Presumably, by &#8220;distraction&#8221; they mean web advertising, most of which generally looks more targeted and effective than that mess.</p>
<p>If they were set on Pythonesque, they should have pasted together old clown images and made clear that the carnival presentation represented a waste of their advertising dollars on the internet, then work the rest of the ad&#8217;s graphics in such a way to show more normal people showing interest in newspaper advertising. I may not be a big fan of newspapers, but I do think there&#8217;s a reasonable pitch, there&#8230; they just failed to make it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/24/seems-like-old-times/#comment-33975</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I clicked the "Presentation" link at that site and was subjected to what must be one of the worst PowerPoint presentations ever made.  The presentation actually cites studies that supposedly "prove" wonderful things about newspaper advertising &lt;i&gt;but they don't link to the studies&lt;/i&gt;.

Talk about not getting it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I clicked the &#8220;Presentation&#8221; link at that site and was subjected to what must be one of the worst PowerPoint presentations ever made.  The presentation actually cites studies that supposedly &#8220;prove&#8221; wonderful things about newspaper advertising <i>but they don&#8217;t link to the studies</i>.</p>
<p>Talk about not getting it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ashok</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intially, I was going to leave this one alone. The ads seemed harmless enough, quirky &#38; playfully out of touch. I was taken aback slightly by the fact I had to click twice to get at any substance - I wanted some bullet point facts or ideas behind why "newspaper advertising" is as good as they claim.

Then I saw the "Why was Freedom of the Press so important to the Founders? Maybe it was the coupons" ad and realized that this campaign is damning - it's far too juvenile to take seriously the people who would be receptive to it (the best article I remember reading on such people was Joseph Epstein's "Are Newspapers Doomed?" in Commentary magazine, but you have to pay to get it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intially, I was going to leave this one alone. The ads seemed harmless enough, quirky &amp; playfully out of touch. I was taken aback slightly by the fact I had to click twice to get at any substance - I wanted some bullet point facts or ideas behind why &#8220;newspaper advertising&#8221; is as good as they claim.</p>
<p>Then I saw the &#8220;Why was Freedom of the Press so important to the Founders? Maybe it was the coupons&#8221; ad and realized that this campaign is damning - it&#8217;s far too juvenile to take seriously the people who would be receptive to it (the best article I remember reading on such people was Joseph Epstein&#8217;s &#8220;Are Newspapers Doomed?&#8221; in Commentary magazine, but you have to pay to get it).</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/24/seems-like-old-times/#comment-33960</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

Third-hand reports from the NNA convention say that this campaign is supposed to emulate Monty Python in order to get the 18-34 set interested. 

Success of the broadway revision of "Holy Grail" has gathered an entirely new generation around the antics of the Python troupe so the association is trying to use pop culture to attract readers.

That's the thinking, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>Third-hand reports from the NNA convention say that this campaign is supposed to emulate Monty Python in order to get the 18-34 set interested. </p>
<p>Success of the broadway revision of &#8220;Holy Grail&#8221; has gathered an entirely new generation around the antics of the Python troupe so the association is trying to use pop culture to attract readers.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the thinking, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dermitt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/24/seems-like-old-times/#comment-33929</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Dermitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the line, "a destination, not a distraction" is a sort of cry for help.
They are at 1921 Gallows Road, which sounds about right.  Make a right on Lynch and hang another right at Gallows.  We're the building with the giant propeller out front.  " In newspaper media, advertising is an integral and desired part of the content."  I always thought the ads and the content were not supposed to be integral.  Don't they call that creep, when the ads get mixed with the editorial content?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the line, &#8220;a destination, not a distraction&#8221; is a sort of cry for help.<br />
They are at 1921 Gallows Road, which sounds about right.  Make a right on Lynch and hang another right at Gallows.  We&#8217;re the building with the giant propeller out front.  &#8221; In newspaper media, advertising is an integral and desired part of the content.&#8221;  I always thought the ads and the content were not supposed to be integral.  Don&#8217;t they call that creep, when the ads get mixed with the editorial content?</p>
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		<title>By: Mumblix Grumph</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/24/seems-like-old-times/#comment-33917</link>
		<dc:creator>Mumblix Grumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  They have free propeller beanies for advertisers!  Nothing says "relevance" like a friggin propeller beanie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  They have free propeller beanies for advertisers!  Nothing says &#8220;relevance&#8221; like a friggin propeller beanie!</p>
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