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		<title>By: Do a search for &#8220;saving journalism&#8221; &#171; News Crucible</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-369912</link>
		<dc:creator>Do a search for &#8220;saving journalism&#8221; &#171; News Crucible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the second buzzmachine.com result was a (looong) blog on the Norg UnConferenceheld at the Annenberg School of Communications in Philadelphia. Although the title of the post [...]</description>
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		<title>By: newsroomnext &#187; Will cellphone novels kill &#8216;the author&#8217;? If you believe blogs will kill &#8216;the journalist,&#8217; then yes</title>
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		<dc:creator>newsroomnext &#187; Will cellphone novels kill &#8216;the author&#8217;? If you believe blogs will kill &#8216;the journalist,&#8217; then yes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Author&#8221; versus &#8220;Cellphone Author&#8221; reminds me of: &#8220;Bloggers&#8221; versus &#8220;journalists.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Author&#8221; versus &#8220;Cellphone Author&#8221; reminds me of: &#8220;Bloggers&#8221; versus &#8220;journalists.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Blogger-Journalists: A Subjective Slant Still = News Katy&#8217;s New Media Blog &#8216;07</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Blogger-Journalists: A Subjective Slant Still = News Katy&#8217;s New Media Blog &#8216;07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogging is whether it is eliminating the need for print news sources. Jeff Jarvis addresses this issue on his blog, Buzz Machine. He says that no longer should newspapers think of themselves as just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Pencil Guy &#187; Archive &#187; Discoveries in my inbox: PerthNorg!</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-113049</link>
		<dc:creator>The Pencil Guy &#187; Archive &#187; Discoveries in my inbox: PerthNorg!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The site is still light on content, albeit much less so than it was; I&#8217;m reluctant to add it to my feed reader until that changes. Indeed, Jeff Jarvis&#8217; excitement aside, I&#8217;ve not seen many other localised news plays that are built solely out of user-generated content, so I do wonder whether it will take hold. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The site is still light on content, albeit much less so than it was; I&#8217;m reluctant to add it to my feed reader until that changes. Indeed, Jeff Jarvis&#8217; excitement aside, I&#8217;ve not seen many other localised news plays that are built solely out of user-generated content, so I do wonder whether it will take hold. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Press in peace</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-40808</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Press in peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I go on to tell the story of the norgs meeting in Philadelphia, where journalists and bloggers got together to try to reinvent the news organization of the very near future. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robb Montgomery</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34896</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there - Interesting discussions you are having here.
I'm curious - would you consider a site like &lt;a href="http:visualeditors.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Visual Editors &lt;/a&gt; a norg?
I started out two years agoa as a peer-to-peer educational community for student and professional journalists. But it has evolved to include most of your norg definitions.

Just curious if can serve as a model for your studies.

Whiteboard definitions:
Continuous; 24/7 hour 
Credible 
Risky. Composed of risk-takers. Stretching the limits of technology, content and money.
Willing to embrace and seek failure. 
Willing to see the union as a partner.
Interactive. Gives voice to the readers. 
Realizes that journalism is not always a story. It might be a database.
Multiplatform, including a free print edition. Multimedia; offering different platorms for different audiences. 
Not a one-way street. Not print into multimediaâ€”both ways 
Ethical 
Transparent. 
Allows reporters to express what they think and feel. 
A watchdog of the eternal spin machine. Please, of state government. 
Committed to freedom of information.
Financially viable And generous with the money it makes.
Supports the acts of journalism. 
PERSONAL. Facilitates actual human interaction. 
Distributed widely â€“ transit 
Devoted to Media literacy â€“ not how to use the media, how to BE the media. 
Should empower its users to be citizens 
Has a voice. Have a personality. 
Enables the community to inform each other. 
May offer layers of journalism: Old-school, trained journalism; community journalism 
 Uses a new metric for measuring success. Should enjoy first-amendment protection</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there - Interesting discussions you are having here.<br />
I&#8217;m curious - would you consider a site like <a href="http:visualeditors.com" rel="nofollow">Visual Editors </a> a norg?<br />
I started out two years agoa as a peer-to-peer educational community for student and professional journalists. But it has evolved to include most of your norg definitions.</p>
<p>Just curious if can serve as a model for your studies.</p>
<p>Whiteboard definitions:<br />
Continuous; 24/7 hour<br />
Credible<br />
Risky. Composed of risk-takers. Stretching the limits of technology, content and money.<br />
Willing to embrace and seek failure.<br />
Willing to see the union as a partner.<br />
Interactive. Gives voice to the readers.<br />
Realizes that journalism is not always a story. It might be a database.<br />
Multiplatform, including a free print edition. Multimedia; offering different platorms for different audiences.<br />
Not a one-way street. Not print into multimediaâ€”both ways<br />
Ethical<br />
Transparent.<br />
Allows reporters to express what they think and feel.<br />
A watchdog of the eternal spin machine. Please, of state government.<br />
Committed to freedom of information.<br />
Financially viable And generous with the money it makes.<br />
Supports the acts of journalism.<br />
PERSONAL. Facilitates actual human interaction.<br />
Distributed widely â€“ transit<br />
Devoted to Media literacy â€“ not how to use the media, how to BE the media.<br />
Should empower its users to be citizens<br />
Has a voice. Have a personality.<br />
Enables the community to inform each other.<br />
May offer layers of journalism: Old-school, trained journalism; community journalism<br />
 Uses a new metric for measuring success. Should enjoy first-amendment protection</p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34847</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 05:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps all these discussions point to an 'unknown better,' but much of the hue reminds me of other topics where there's too much emotion - not enough logic.

Some religious issues, politics, Green Peace, and
the National Rifle Association come to mind. The real problem is we can't get past our own limitations and ignorance.

Part of this challenge generally is akin to a singer
finding their own voice.

Being a journalist is far more complex than knowing how to use a keyboard, or being able to
be a 'so-called' witness to events. 

This runs parallel to a concept 'professional
photographers' understand and others don't. Taking a photograph doesn't equate to "being
a photograper" in the strictest sense.

I'm sure the Dalia Lama could provide eloquent insight using a similar metaphor regarding spirituality.

Excellence in any field is perhaps rare. There
are likely just as many mediocre "over-paid mechanic" physicians as there are average journalists - I'm sure. But, like excellence in the arts, an insightful journalist can make words burn or sooth at will.

Perhaps the difference is doctors have somewhat of a curtain to hide behind, and by comparison
journalism is somewhat naked. However, let us not be so naive as to believe any individual on a stage is an actor.

Generally speaking, advertising follows
excellence, as well as circulation. Journalistically wallowing in a political gutter and slanting coverage leads first to a loss of credibility, then failure. At least this is true for the audience of individuals with a moderate IQ.

For example, do you really think Rush Limbaugh believes everything he says? Or, is it possible he just created a "character" to take material advantage of persons of a particular bent? How
different are much of the events we all bear witness to from 'McCarthyism' of the 1950s.

Flood waters recede. Soon also will this 'Twilight
Zone' era of masquerade and mediocrity. Revolution in thought may be dancing around any corner. When that time comes there may be screaming in the cheap seats.

-- ADM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps all these discussions point to an &#8216;unknown better,&#8217; but much of the hue reminds me of other topics where there&#8217;s too much emotion - not enough logic.</p>
<p>Some religious issues, politics, Green Peace, and<br />
the National Rifle Association come to mind. The real problem is we can&#8217;t get past our own limitations and ignorance.</p>
<p>Part of this challenge generally is akin to a singer<br />
finding their own voice.</p>
<p>Being a journalist is far more complex than knowing how to use a keyboard, or being able to<br />
be a &#8217;so-called&#8217; witness to events. </p>
<p>This runs parallel to a concept &#8216;professional<br />
photographers&#8217; understand and others don&#8217;t. Taking a photograph doesn&#8217;t equate to &#8220;being<br />
a photograper&#8221; in the strictest sense.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the Dalia Lama could provide eloquent insight using a similar metaphor regarding spirituality.</p>
<p>Excellence in any field is perhaps rare. There<br />
are likely just as many mediocre &#8220;over-paid mechanic&#8221; physicians as there are average journalists - I&#8217;m sure. But, like excellence in the arts, an insightful journalist can make words burn or sooth at will.</p>
<p>Perhaps the difference is doctors have somewhat of a curtain to hide behind, and by comparison<br />
journalism is somewhat naked. However, let us not be so naive as to believe any individual on a stage is an actor.</p>
<p>Generally speaking, advertising follows<br />
excellence, as well as circulation. Journalistically wallowing in a political gutter and slanting coverage leads first to a loss of credibility, then failure. At least this is true for the audience of individuals with a moderate IQ.</p>
<p>For example, do you really think Rush Limbaugh believes everything he says? Or, is it possible he just created a &#8220;character&#8221; to take material advantage of persons of a particular bent? How<br />
different are much of the events we all bear witness to from &#8216;McCarthyism&#8217; of the 1950s.</p>
<p>Flood waters recede. Soon also will this &#8216;Twilight<br />
Zone&#8217; era of masquerade and mediocrity. Revolution in thought may be dancing around any corner. When that time comes there may be screaming in the cheap seats.</p>
<p>&#8211; ADM</p>
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		<title>By: newsaddict</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34835</link>
		<dc:creator>newsaddict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 01:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am thinking of starting a blog geared to local people; I live in a small town in a mostly rural area, where the only decent (?) newspaper covers little, if any, news of national import. I would like to work out some ways of bringing the national/international news home so local people can see hwo these issues affect them, directly or indirectly. Maybe it wouldn't be news so much as showing the connections.

All that being said, I have neither the expertise nor the means to do this. It's just an idea. I'd wager there are many communities like mine.

Further, I still appreciate having the text on paper, in my hands, portable, and non-electric. We lose power frequently where I live. The unplugged population is still huge--how would you get to them? What if there's a huge power blackout? How to woo those whose only contact with a computer may be a video game?

Cart before horse, I realize...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am thinking of starting a blog geared to local people; I live in a small town in a mostly rural area, where the only decent (?) newspaper covers little, if any, news of national import. I would like to work out some ways of bringing the national/international news home so local people can see hwo these issues affect them, directly or indirectly. Maybe it wouldn&#8217;t be news so much as showing the connections.</p>
<p>All that being said, I have neither the expertise nor the means to do this. It&#8217;s just an idea. I&#8217;d wager there are many communities like mine.</p>
<p>Further, I still appreciate having the text on paper, in my hands, portable, and non-electric. We lose power frequently where I live. The unplugged population is still huge&#8211;how would you get to them? What if there&#8217;s a huge power blackout? How to woo those whose only contact with a computer may be a video game?</p>
<p>Cart before horse, I realize&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: This Time Before An Event at Podcast on the Floor</title>
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		<dc:creator>This Time Before An Event at Podcast on the Floor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Winer, whose posts directed me to Ingram&#8217;s commentary, as always, is keeping us one our toes about unconferences, giving some tips, based on his work, producing BloggerCon events. His comments, follow the insights of Jeff Jarvis, who wrote over the weekend that Norg, an unconference hosted by the Annenberg School of Communications, may turn out to be a historic event. The topic: saving news. Newspaper people gathering to discuss the future of a craft and perhaps marking a day we will remember as the one where the war stopped between bloggers and the news media. Now, isn&#8217;t that an excellent topic for an unconference? We need more unconferences like Norg. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dave Winer, whose posts directed me to Ingram&#8217;s commentary, as always, is keeping us one our toes about unconferences, giving some tips, based on his work, producing BloggerCon events. His comments, follow the insights of Jeff Jarvis, who wrote over the weekend that Norg, an unconference hosted by the Annenberg School of Communications, may turn out to be a historic event. The topic: saving news. Newspaper people gathering to discuss the future of a craft and perhaps marking a day we will remember as the one where the war stopped between bloggers and the news media. Now, isn&#8217;t that an excellent topic for an unconference? We need more unconferences like Norg. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CaptiousNut</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34349</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptiousNut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to see people losing jobs.

It means capitalism is functioning.

Look where people can't lose their job: France, Congress, Supreme Court, American car companies (until recently), public school teachers (only 2 fired out of 80,000 in nyc over the last 2 yrs), etc.

Technology disrupts careers every single day, why should journalists be exempt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to see people losing jobs.</p>
<p>It means capitalism is functioning.</p>
<p>Look where people can&#8217;t lose their job: France, Congress, Supreme Court, American car companies (until recently), public school teachers (only 2 fired out of 80,000 in nyc over the last 2 yrs), etc.</p>
<p>Technology disrupts careers every single day, why should journalists be exempt?</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34299</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 03:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, JJ, I suppose legacy media at whatever level can elect to mischaracterize their detractors as 'ranters' and attempt to discredit them/shut them up... or they can continue to ignore our very real complaints and continue to go out of business... or they can include us in 'the conversation', face some unwelcome facts about how half their readers and viewers see Them (talk about forests and trees), and seriously work to correct them.
  
As much as I object to MSM and its long list of problems, I also hate to see a lot of people losing their jobs or failing to find any work out of journalism school.

Fortunately, it's no skin off my teeth regardless of what the MSM decides to do.  I no longer rely on them to get the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, JJ, I suppose legacy media at whatever level can elect to mischaracterize their detractors as &#8216;ranters&#8217; and attempt to discredit them/shut them up&#8230; or they can continue to ignore our very real complaints and continue to go out of business&#8230; or they can include us in &#8216;the conversation&#8217;, face some unwelcome facts about how half their readers and viewers see Them (talk about forests and trees), and seriously work to correct them.</p>
<p>As much as I object to MSM and its long list of problems, I also hate to see a lot of people losing their jobs or failing to find any work out of journalism school.</p>
<p>Fortunately, it&#8217;s no skin off my teeth regardless of what the MSM decides to do.  I no longer rely on them to get the news.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34286</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eileen: The more you say, the more you rant. Tree, forest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen: The more you say, the more you rant. Tree, forest.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptiousNut</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34283</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptiousNut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly many daydreamers think that focusing more on local events is going to sustain the jurassic papers.  I disagree.

If you look at the United States, people move much more now than ever - a trend that is unlikely to reverse or even slow.  Personally I have lived in four cities in the last 5 years (and I am hellbent on leaving Boston now).  The country has been moving toward a national culture and away from a parochial one.  I know I couldn't give a sh*t about local news here.  I caught a minute of it the other day and the story they were on was about a Harvard kid mooning someone.  Seriously.

I suspect that the people interested in local events are the ones who have lived in an area their entire lives.  Unfortunately for the daydreamers, this is a shrinking demographic as well.  Even worse, I think these are the only people that buy papers now.

Focusing on local events is not only a needless surrender on global and national ones, it is a pathetic clinging to existing customers.  And it is far from a pro-growth strategy.

Like I said before, just about all of their ideas amount to tinkering with a fundamentally flawed business model.

The beauty of the blogosphere is not only that it's killing the papers, but that it also provides a front row seat to view the carnage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly many daydreamers think that focusing more on local events is going to sustain the jurassic papers.  I disagree.</p>
<p>If you look at the United States, people move much more now than ever - a trend that is unlikely to reverse or even slow.  Personally I have lived in four cities in the last 5 years (and I am hellbent on leaving Boston now).  The country has been moving toward a national culture and away from a parochial one.  I know I couldn&#8217;t give a sh*t about local news here.  I caught a minute of it the other day and the story they were on was about a Harvard kid mooning someone.  Seriously.</p>
<p>I suspect that the people interested in local events are the ones who have lived in an area their entire lives.  Unfortunately for the daydreamers, this is a shrinking demographic as well.  Even worse, I think these are the only people that buy papers now.</p>
<p>Focusing on local events is not only a needless surrender on global and national ones, it is a pathetic clinging to existing customers.  And it is far from a pro-growth strategy.</p>
<p>Like I said before, just about all of their ideas amount to tinkering with a fundamentally flawed business model.</p>
<p>The beauty of the blogosphere is not only that it&#8217;s killing the papers, but that it also provides a front row seat to view the carnage.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34265</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much anything I say here is apparently characterized by you as 'ranting', Jeff.  This dates to our original debates regarding the legalities of the FCC.  That's because I'm not part of your choir.  Quite frankly, I'm a little weary of your insulting admonishments as you otherwise preach about fostering a conversation.   

Last I read and heard, local news typically includes national and global news coverage as well.  My local lefty paper and local networks are just as guilty of the failings I listed as is the NYT.  The UNC incident, for example, is local news that the rest of us should be made aware of at both the local And national level.  And if town councils AREN'T concerned with the very real threats and news regarding sharia then they should be.  They are our primary responders in the WOT.

I included numerous topics and failings which apply to journalism across the board.  Your description of the conference certainly wasn't restricted to local issues; to wit, your intro:  "Iâ€™m in Philly at the Annenberg School of Communication for the Norg unconference: A remarkable, perhaps historic, gathering of newspaper people and bloggers starting a conversation about saving news."

Excuse the hell out of me for addressing precisely that topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much anything I say here is apparently characterized by you as &#8216;ranting&#8217;, Jeff.  This dates to our original debates regarding the legalities of the FCC.  That&#8217;s because I&#8217;m not part of your choir.  Quite frankly, I&#8217;m a little weary of your insulting admonishments as you otherwise preach about fostering a conversation.   </p>
<p>Last I read and heard, local news typically includes national and global news coverage as well.  My local lefty paper and local networks are just as guilty of the failings I listed as is the NYT.  The UNC incident, for example, is local news that the rest of us should be made aware of at both the local And national level.  And if town councils AREN&#8217;T concerned with the very real threats and news regarding sharia then they should be.  They are our primary responders in the WOT.</p>
<p>I included numerous topics and failings which apply to journalism across the board.  Your description of the conference certainly wasn&#8217;t restricted to local issues; to wit, your intro:  &#8220;Iâ€™m in Philly at the Annenberg School of Communication for the Norg unconference: A remarkable, perhaps historic, gathering of newspaper people and bloggers starting a conversation about saving news.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excuse the hell out of me for addressing precisely that topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cite Phillyblog, and suddenly I see rewrite men and women.  Hey sweetheart, gimme rewrite.  6,000 reporters, a dozen rewrite desks going full blast.  Heck of a concept for the future of newspapering, but be damn sure the 6,000 reporters get some training in what news is.  I am discouraged at present by the so-called media blogosphere which is mainly populated by blogs conceived on a left-right agree-disagree model.  There will be a huge media blog shake-out in a year or so, as people grow weary of the snipping and sniping, and the professional media blogs, on something like the phillyblog model, will emerge and thrive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cite Phillyblog, and suddenly I see rewrite men and women.  Hey sweetheart, gimme rewrite.  6,000 reporters, a dozen rewrite desks going full blast.  Heck of a concept for the future of newspapering, but be damn sure the 6,000 reporters get some training in what news is.  I am discouraged at present by the so-called media blogosphere which is mainly populated by blogs conceived on a left-right agree-disagree model.  There will be a huge media blog shake-out in a year or so, as people grow weary of the snipping and sniping, and the professional media blogs, on something like the phillyblog model, will emerge and thrive.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eileen,
This meeting was entire about LOCAL news. Last I checked, Islamofascist sharia law was not a big issue in the Philadelphia City Council. 
You might want to consider the context of your ranting ortherwise it will be seen as, well, ranting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen,<br />
This meeting was entire about LOCAL news. Last I checked, Islamofascist sharia law was not a big issue in the Philadelphia City Council.<br />
You might want to consider the context of your ranting ortherwise it will be seen as, well, ranting.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34254</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'I see,' Jeff.  I guess, then, the answer to my questions would be "No."  And I guess the brethren don't wish to hear any real suggestions for saving journalism.

CaptiousNut is right on all counts.  I have never read or heard about any media confab, conference or unconference in which an honest assessment of "fundamental" flaws and failings is made.  Why ARE readers and viewers *really* tuning the MSM out?  Far be it for me to state the obvious and use current examples to illustrate, I suppose.

The *reality pill* so many will be forced to swallow as a result of this myopia And MO is sad indeed.  As you said, Jeff, it's not clear that those students will be able to even  find jobs or earn a living in their chosen profession.  And as long as the club continues to not only ignore its fundamental problems but also foster and encourage its editorialized, fictionalized, agenda driven and politicized 'news' reporting, I'm quite certain you're right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I see,&#8217; Jeff.  I guess, then, the answer to my questions would be &#8220;No.&#8221;  And I guess the brethren don&#8217;t wish to hear any real suggestions for saving journalism.</p>
<p>CaptiousNut is right on all counts.  I have never read or heard about any media confab, conference or unconference in which an honest assessment of &#8220;fundamental&#8221; flaws and failings is made.  Why ARE readers and viewers *really* tuning the MSM out?  Far be it for me to state the obvious and use current examples to illustrate, I suppose.</p>
<p>The *reality pill* so many will be forced to swallow as a result of this myopia And MO is sad indeed.  As you said, Jeff, it&#8217;s not clear that those students will be able to even  find jobs or earn a living in their chosen profession.  And as long as the club continues to not only ignore its fundamental problems but also foster and encourage its editorialized, fictionalized, agenda driven and politicized &#8216;news&#8217; reporting, I&#8217;m quite certain you&#8217;re right.</p>
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		<title>By: everybuddy.org &#187; Newspaper&#8217;s Value is in the Channel</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34243</link>
		<dc:creator>everybuddy.org &#187; Newspaper&#8217;s Value is in the Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The idea of a new medium being causal for a new business model cannot be greeted with a nod of the head, while clinging to the baggage held from an extinct value chain, one which is hard to mentally dismiss since it engulfed society for many decades. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The idea of a new medium being causal for a new business model cannot be greeted with a nod of the head, while clinging to the baggage held from an extinct value chain, one which is hard to mentally dismiss since it engulfed society for many decades. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kirabug</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34241</link>
		<dc:creator>kirabug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The idea of a â€œnorgâ€ as a coop. I think of that as a coop of news gatherers and sharers (e.g., the coop sells your ads and promotes you but you still own what you do: your reporting and content). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is a model that appears to be working pretty well for the fledgling webcomic industry - see &lt;a href="http://www.blanklabelcomics.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Blank Label Comics&lt;/a&gt; for an example. I don't know how well it'll scale, but so far so good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The idea of a â€œnorgâ€ as a coop. I think of that as a coop of news gatherers and sharers (e.g., the coop sells your ads and promotes you but you still own what you do: your reporting and content). </p></blockquote>
<p>This is a model that appears to be working pretty well for the fledgling webcomic industry - see <a href="http://www.blanklabelcomics.com/" rel="nofollow">Blank Label Comics</a> for an example. I don&#8217;t know how well it&#8217;ll scale, but so far so good.</p>
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		<title>By: kirabug</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34238</link>
		<dc:creator>kirabug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoo boy, isn't this suddenly a bucket of optimism?

Jeff, thanks for the links!</description>
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<p>Jeff, thanks for the links!</p>
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		<title>By: CaptiousNut</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34235</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptiousNut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eileen,

No, they continually skate around that problem.  But that fits in with their modus operandi quite well.

Remember these are the people who look at fundamentally flawed problems and only want to tinker with the current failing solutions.

Somehow the layoffs will end, the audiences will come back, and their credibility will return if only they have the courage to .....

.....eliminate the stock tables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen,</p>
<p>No, they continually skate around that problem.  But that fits in with their modus operandi quite well.</p>
<p>Remember these are the people who look at fundamentally flawed problems and only want to tinker with the current failing solutions.</p>
<p>Somehow the layoffs will end, the audiences will come back, and their credibility will return if only they have the courage to &#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8230;..eliminate the stock tables.</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The unconference</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34228</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The unconference</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#171; Saving journalism (and killing the press) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &laquo; Saving journalism (and killing the press) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: George Nimeh</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34225</link>
		<dc:creator>George Nimeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.i-boy.com/weblog/2006/03/are-newspapers-yesterdays-news-we-had.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;It isn't a war, Jeff. It's a revolution.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

We had 8-tracks, vinyl and CDs. Now we have MP3s. Most stockbrokers and travel agents are dinosaurs. &lt;a href="http://www.rocketboom.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Rocketboom&lt;/a&gt; now has 300K daily viewers and there are 1.2 million blog posts every day. The recent sale of Knight Ridder to McClatchyhe should worry the entire publishing industry, if they weren't already concerned about the state of their declining business. It has been a horrible year for the newspaper business, in particular, but should that come as a surprise to anyone? &lt;a href="http://www.i-boy.com/weblog/2006/03/internet-means-end-for-media-barons.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Even Rupert Murdoch seems to know better&lt;/a&gt; these days.

~ Declining circulation (-3%)
~ Declining revenue (circ. revenue -7% at the Tribune)
~ Profit margins down 1.5%, to just below 20%
~ Classified ad revenue is drying up
~ Worsening mix of circulation to advertising revenue
~ Falling stock prices (-20% on Wall Street)
~ Mature industry
~ Job losses
~ No archival value of product
~ And you still get ink all over your hands when you read 'em

The sad thing for many publishers and other &lt;a href="http://www.i-boy.com/weblog/2006/03/live-blogging-future-of-marketing.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;dinosaurs&lt;/a&gt;, is that this story is only news to them.

It is always nice to see ASC encouraging conversation and a good debate. I was a graduate fellow there, and the school has always been good about that. If you're at UPenn, however, I think the best thinking on the issue is coming out of Wharton. See: &lt;a href="http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/1425.cfm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Are Newspapers Yesterday's News?&lt;/a&gt;

Hope you're well, 
&lt;a href="http://www.i-boy.com/weblog/" rel="nofollow"&gt;~G~&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://www.i-boy.com/weblog/2006/03/are-newspapers-yesterdays-news-we-had.html" rel="nofollow">It isn&#8217;t a war, Jeff. It&#8217;s a revolution.</a></strong></p>
<p>We had 8-tracks, vinyl and CDs. Now we have MP3s. Most stockbrokers and travel agents are dinosaurs. <a href="http://www.rocketboom.com/" rel="nofollow">Rocketboom</a> now has 300K daily viewers and there are 1.2 million blog posts every day. The recent sale of Knight Ridder to McClatchyhe should worry the entire publishing industry, if they weren&#8217;t already concerned about the state of their declining business. It has been a horrible year for the newspaper business, in particular, but should that come as a surprise to anyone? <a href="http://www.i-boy.com/weblog/2006/03/internet-means-end-for-media-barons.html" rel="nofollow">Even Rupert Murdoch seems to know better</a> these days.</p>
<p>~ Declining circulation (-3%)<br />
~ Declining revenue (circ. revenue -7% at the Tribune)<br />
~ Profit margins down 1.5%, to just below 20%<br />
~ Classified ad revenue is drying up<br />
~ Worsening mix of circulation to advertising revenue<br />
~ Falling stock prices (-20% on Wall Street)<br />
~ Mature industry<br />
~ Job losses<br />
~ No archival value of product<br />
~ And you still get ink all over your hands when you read &#8216;em</p>
<p>The sad thing for many publishers and other <a href="http://www.i-boy.com/weblog/2006/03/live-blogging-future-of-marketing.html" rel="nofollow">dinosaurs</a>, is that this story is only news to them.</p>
<p>It is always nice to see ASC encouraging conversation and a good debate. I was a graduate fellow there, and the school has always been good about that. If you&#8217;re at UPenn, however, I think the best thinking on the issue is coming out of Wharton. See: <a href="http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/1425.cfm" rel="nofollow">Are Newspapers Yesterday&#8217;s News?</a></p>
<p>Hope you&#8217;re well,<br />
<a href="http://www.i-boy.com/weblog/" rel="nofollow">~G~</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dermitt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34222</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Dermitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is not such a thing as new future. There is FUTURE.
I remember ith old past.  Maybe it's a new age scam to make paper a
luxury good or something.  The new boss is the same as the old boss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is not such a thing as new future. There is FUTURE.<br />
I remember ith old past.  Maybe it&#8217;s a new age scam to make paper a<br />
luxury good or something.  The new boss is the same as the old boss.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/03/25/saving-journalism-and-killing-the-press/#comment-34219</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time for the chill pill, Eileen.</description>
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