Comments on: Bravo http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/10/bravo-2/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:34:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Robert Feinman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/10/bravo-2/#comment-37575 Robert Feinman Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:46:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/04/10/bravo-2/#comment-37575 There is a strain of person in the US that is fundamentally optimistic about government. I think Jeff belongs to this category. Then there are those who think that governments, like all organizations, ultimately are more concerned for their own well being and survival than for those they are supposed to serve. History has shown that the pessimists are right entirely too often. I gave a historical example in this essay: <a href="http://robertdfeinman.com/society/surveillance_vs_liberty.html" rel="nofollow">Surveillance vs Civil Liberties</a> But, we don't have to look far back to see current abuses. Not only do we have the NSA issue in the news, but there have been other stories about the CIFA program of DoD. During the Republican convention in NYC there were undercover police acting as <i>agents provocateurs</i> in the crowd of protestors. There were mass arrests on trumped up charges that were later dismmised. The ACLU is also involved in a series of cases over surveillance and, perhaps, physical break ins of activists and their lawyers. So, Jeff may want to think that cookies are benign, but they allow for detailed tracking of people's behavior without them understanding the consequences. Google already uses cookies to keep track of every search you make, for example. Notice that the existence of this information has inspired the government to ask for it. The point of my essay, cited above, is to point out how quickly surveillance of external enemies gets redirected towards spying on domestic political opponents. There is no reason to think that our government won't abuse civil liberties in the future either. There is a strain of person in the US that is fundamentally optimistic about government. I think Jeff belongs to this category. Then there are those who think that governments, like all organizations, ultimately are more concerned for their own well being and survival than for those they are supposed to serve.

History has shown that the pessimists are right entirely too often. I gave a historical example in this essay:
Surveillance vs Civil Liberties

But, we don’t have to look far back to see current abuses. Not only do we have the NSA issue in the news, but there have been other stories about the CIFA program of DoD. During the Republican convention in NYC there were undercover police acting as agents provocateurs in the crowd of protestors. There were mass arrests on trumped up charges that were later dismmised. The ACLU is also involved in a series of cases over surveillance and, perhaps, physical break ins of activists and their lawyers.

So, Jeff may want to think that cookies are benign, but they allow for detailed tracking of people’s behavior without them understanding the consequences. Google already uses cookies to keep track of every search you make, for example. Notice that the existence of this information has inspired the government to ask for it.

The point of my essay, cited above, is to point out how quickly surveillance of external enemies gets redirected towards spying on domestic political opponents. There is no reason to think that our government won’t abuse civil liberties in the future either.

]]> By: peter http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/10/bravo-2/#comment-37393 peter Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:58:01 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/04/10/bravo-2/#comment-37393 OK. Bravo. Some of the site is free. Note however that most of Ad Age is mired in the past glories of advertising as if it was still 1998. Interactive is a “special section.” Huh…. Google did over $6 billion in ad sales last year. I don’t have the time to look up all of the numbers of the interactive industry but you know what I am talking about. Most advertising professionals have never even bothered to try to figure out how to do a Google ad. Not even bothered. Dig? I read Ad Age. But when was the last time I was stimulated to write a letter to the editor? I’d rather write here. Ad Age = Stimulation free zone. OK. Bravo. Some of the site is free.

Note however that most of Ad Age is mired in the past glories of advertising as if it was still 1998.

Interactive is a “special section.” Huh…. Google did over $6 billion in ad sales last year. I don’t have the time to look up all of the numbers of the interactive industry but you know what I am talking about.

Most advertising professionals have never even bothered to try to figure out how to do a Google ad. Not even bothered. Dig?

I read Ad Age. But when was the last time I was stimulated to write a letter to the editor? I’d rather write here.

Ad Age = Stimulation free zone.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/10/bravo-2/#comment-37381 anonymous Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:18:44 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/04/10/bravo-2/#comment-37381 Yeah, and it seems like most of American Demographics isn't free, either, even to registered users... Yeah, and it seems like most of American Demographics isn’t free, either, even to registered users…

]]> By: Tim Windsor http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/10/bravo-2/#comment-37320 Tim Windsor Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:18:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/04/10/bravo-2/#comment-37320 There's still a fair amount of paid wall left. I tried reading a Steve Garfield column and hit the intercept. Accoding to an editor's note: <blockquote>We no longer require registration for access to daily news, but we encourage you to register to receive all of our newsletters (such as Ad Age China, Mediaworks and Madison & Vine) and to subscribe to take full advantage of all of our weekly content and a year's worth of archives and full-screen broadband video. </blockquote> There’s still a fair amount of paid wall left. I tried reading a Steve Garfield column and hit the intercept.

Accoding to an editor’s note:

We no longer require registration for access to daily news, but we encourage you to register to receive all of our newsletters (such as Ad Age China, Mediaworks and Madison & Vine) and to subscribe to take full advantage of all of our weekly content and a year’s worth of archives and full-screen broadband video.

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