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	<title>Comments on: The first layer of transparency: Identity</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Everything Between &#187; L.A. Times Cuts Column After &#8216;Misrepresentation&#8217;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everything Between &#187; L.A. Times Cuts Column After &#8216;Misrepresentation&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41277</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"He used a pseudonym for one reason only, because he didnâ€™t want people to know it was him saying bad things about his competition."

Actually, I don't think that's true. As Howard Kurtz detailed this morning, Hiltzik said equally nasty things about his competition under his own name, all the time.

I am on record (repeatedly) as saying he should not be fired or disciplined for this any further.  Suspension of the blog and humiliation are enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He used a pseudonym for one reason only, because he didnâ€™t want people to know it was him saying bad things about his competition.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s true. As Howard Kurtz detailed this morning, Hiltzik said equally nasty things about his competition under his own name, all the time.</p>
<p>I am on record (repeatedly) as saying he should not be fired or disciplined for this any further.  Suspension of the blog and humiliation are enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Shelton (aka Redhawke)</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41241</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Shelton (aka Redhawke)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect, Mr. Jarvis, I must disagree with you as to whether Mr. Hiltzik deserves to be fired.  For merely inventing a scokpuppet (not just a pseudonym), who argued for him, and who said things that he apparently felt he could not say, and to create a false consensus of opinion in his favor, he deserves at least suspension of his bloging "privileges."  

However, I understand that, on at least one occasion, Mr. Hiltzik posted to a conservative-leaning blog (Patterico's, IIRC) a comment (as mikekoshi)attacking Sen. Specter in a manner that parroted his own criticisms of Specter.  He then shortly thereafter reported in his own blog of how Sen. Specter was taking heat "even on a conservative blog."  This was (as I understand it) in no small part to add credence to his earlier attacks on Specter in his own blog.

Here's the $64,000 question - how is that any different from a reporter inventing a source for a story?  Mr. Hiltzik "created" his own story by posting as mikekoshi, and I don't think it's too much to presume that he did so as mikekoshi, at least in part, so that he could turn around and report that there was some kind of groundswell from conservatives against Specter.  Needless to say, I doubt it would have had much punch to have said "As I was ripping on Specter here, I was also ripping on Specter in a conservative blog.  Doesn't that add weight to my position?"

For attempting to defraud his readers by manufacturing a "groundswell" in favor of a position he stated, by repeating his accusations in another's blog, then reporting his own acts as the acts of others, he deserves no better than to have his journalistic epaulets ripped from him, and be expelled from the journalistic service.  To do less now would be one more blackeye on a profession that is already suffering from a deficit of eyes to blacken.  IMO.  FWIW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect, Mr. Jarvis, I must disagree with you as to whether Mr. Hiltzik deserves to be fired.  For merely inventing a scokpuppet (not just a pseudonym), who argued for him, and who said things that he apparently felt he could not say, and to create a false consensus of opinion in his favor, he deserves at least suspension of his bloging &#8220;privileges.&#8221;  </p>
<p>However, I understand that, on at least one occasion, Mr. Hiltzik posted to a conservative-leaning blog (Patterico&#8217;s, IIRC) a comment (as mikekoshi)attacking Sen. Specter in a manner that parroted his own criticisms of Specter.  He then shortly thereafter reported in his own blog of how Sen. Specter was taking heat &#8220;even on a conservative blog.&#8221;  This was (as I understand it) in no small part to add credence to his earlier attacks on Specter in his own blog.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the $64,000 question - how is that any different from a reporter inventing a source for a story?  Mr. Hiltzik &#8220;created&#8221; his own story by posting as mikekoshi, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s too much to presume that he did so as mikekoshi, at least in part, so that he could turn around and report that there was some kind of groundswell from conservatives against Specter.  Needless to say, I doubt it would have had much punch to have said &#8220;As I was ripping on Specter here, I was also ripping on Specter in a conservative blog.  Doesn&#8217;t that add weight to my position?&#8221;</p>
<p>For attempting to defraud his readers by manufacturing a &#8220;groundswell&#8221; in favor of a position he stated, by repeating his accusations in another&#8217;s blog, then reporting his own acts as the acts of others, he deserves no better than to have his journalistic epaulets ripped from him, and be expelled from the journalistic service.  To do less now would be one more blackeye on a profession that is already suffering from a deficit of eyes to blacken.  IMO.  FWIW.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41203</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Hiltzik ought to be held to the same ethical standard that would have had him fired if he was caught writing letters to the editor at the LA Times under a pseudonym. 

There isn't really a big difference.

It's all about integrity and ethics. He's a sneaky liar that got outed. Period. More than the reprehensible actions of journalists like him, it's the defense of this behavior by peers and publishers that has brought the MSM to where it stands today, distrusted and disliked.  Hopefully, more broke with time too.

Not firing him on the spot is a dumb move by the Times and will cost them. Can they really afford to preserve his by-line and be admired for that by the public?  I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Hiltzik ought to be held to the same ethical standard that would have had him fired if he was caught writing letters to the editor at the LA Times under a pseudonym. </p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t really a big difference.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about integrity and ethics. He&#8217;s a sneaky liar that got outed. Period. More than the reprehensible actions of journalists like him, it&#8217;s the defense of this behavior by peers and publishers that has brought the MSM to where it stands today, distrusted and disliked.  Hopefully, more broke with time too.</p>
<p>Not firing him on the spot is a dumb move by the Times and will cost them. Can they really afford to preserve his by-line and be admired for that by the public?  I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dusty</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41198</link>
		<dc:creator>Dusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pro Cynic invites a great hypothetical question:  How would Patterico have acted and the blogosphere reacted if Hiltzik had pulled a Benjamin Franklin and used his sock puppetry to counter his own arguments.

I certainly would have been impressed and would have applauded the effort.  I think most in the blogosphere would have reacted that way, too, and particularly so if the effort was a serious one.

And therein lies the difference in having three Hiltziks in the blogosphere and how much value he puts in conceit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pro Cynic invites a great hypothetical question:  How would Patterico have acted and the blogosphere reacted if Hiltzik had pulled a Benjamin Franklin and used his sock puppetry to counter his own arguments.</p>
<p>I certainly would have been impressed and would have applauded the effort.  I think most in the blogosphere would have reacted that way, too, and particularly so if the effort was a serious one.</p>
<p>And therein lies the difference in having three Hiltziks in the blogosphere and how much value he puts in conceit.</p>
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		<title>By: The Monster</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41190</link>
		<dc:creator>The Monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I post pseudonymously so that my employer has no legal reason to claim that I am violating company policy on public statements.  Since I never identify myself or my employer, I can't be construed as speaking on behalf of the company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I post pseudonymously so that my employer has no legal reason to claim that I am violating company policy on public statements.  Since I never identify myself or my employer, I can&#8217;t be construed as speaking on behalf of the company.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Strauss</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41178</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Strauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He used a pseudonym for one reason only, because he didn't want people to know it was him saying bad things about his competition.</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Peters</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41177</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fernie:
      Some people use psuedonyms because they fear retribution. Some people use them because they just are not comfortable speaking out in public, even online. There are many commenters who use pseud's but they use the same name consistently so you can track their pattern of arguments and respond to them. I don't do it anymore but after a few nasty e-mails I did for a while. Hiltziks use of pseudonyms were not done for any legit reason, he used them to create a false image. Hiltziks use of pseudonyms were not used to extend the debate. he used them to create the false image of a community of opinion that was not there. he used them to hurl insults without standing behind them himself. He even used them to praise himself on a comment he signed his real name to. 

    This isn't complicated, or hairsplitting. Hiltzik used false id's to create a false image of a community of people who agreed with him and praised him when it was a community of just one person. He used them to give compliments to himself and to pretend that other people were insulting his opponents when it was actually him. This is simple. It's dishonest and cowardly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fernie:<br />
      Some people use psuedonyms because they fear retribution. Some people use them because they just are not comfortable speaking out in public, even online. There are many commenters who use pseud&#8217;s but they use the same name consistently so you can track their pattern of arguments and respond to them. I don&#8217;t do it anymore but after a few nasty e-mails I did for a while. Hiltziks use of pseudonyms were not done for any legit reason, he used them to create a false image. Hiltziks use of pseudonyms were not used to extend the debate. he used them to create the false image of a community of opinion that was not there. he used them to hurl insults without standing behind them himself. He even used them to praise himself on a comment he signed his real name to. </p>
<p>    This isn&#8217;t complicated, or hairsplitting. Hiltzik used false id&#8217;s to create a false image of a community of people who agreed with him and praised him when it was a community of just one person. He used them to give compliments to himself and to pretend that other people were insulting his opponents when it was actually him. This is simple. It&#8217;s dishonest and cowardly.</p>
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		<title>By: mcg</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41171</link>
		<dc:creator>mcg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fernie, I might add: Michael H. used at least one of those pseudonyms in comments posted &lt;i&gt;to his own blog.&lt;/i&gt; Why did he feel the need to conceal his identity in the comments sections of his own posts!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fernie, I might add: Michael H. used at least one of those pseudonyms in comments posted <i>to his own blog.</i> Why did he feel the need to conceal his identity in the comments sections of his own posts!?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Jefferson</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41169</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Jefferson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pro Cynic: I knew Ben Franklin. I served with Ben Franklin. Michael Hiltzik is no Ben Franklin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pro Cynic: I knew Ben Franklin. I served with Ben Franklin. Michael Hiltzik is no Ben Franklin.</p>
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		<title>By: mcg</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41168</link>
		<dc:creator>mcg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What the hell is the difference? Talk about hair-splitting.&lt;/i&gt;

The difference is actually tremendous; and it's pretty sad if you don't see the difference.

We're not talking about someone who chooses a single pseudonym and uses it consistently and exclusively. That's just someone who chooses to be anonymous, and we can assign less credibility to what we read from that person as a result.

What we are talking about here is someone who chose to pose as &lt;i&gt;multiple&lt;/i&gt; people on the Web, under his own name and more than one pseudonym. By his writings he deliberately led people to believe that each of these characters was &lt;i&gt;distinct&lt;/i&gt;; e.g., that "mikekoshi" was not, in fact, "Michael Hiltzik." He then did this to offer his "real" identity support from those who would challenge or attack him.

Imagine if he wrote a post on his Golden State blog, and then "mikekoshi" came up and said "this is a fantastic article." Obviously he tried to be slightly more clever than that, but that's the spirit of the distinction we are making.

There is also the little matter that this practice violated his employer's code of ethics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What the hell is the difference? Talk about hair-splitting.</i></p>
<p>The difference is actually tremendous; and it&#8217;s pretty sad if you don&#8217;t see the difference.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not talking about someone who chooses a single pseudonym and uses it consistently and exclusively. That&#8217;s just someone who chooses to be anonymous, and we can assign less credibility to what we read from that person as a result.</p>
<p>What we are talking about here is someone who chose to pose as <i>multiple</i> people on the Web, under his own name and more than one pseudonym. By his writings he deliberately led people to believe that each of these characters was <i>distinct</i>; e.g., that &#8220;mikekoshi&#8221; was not, in fact, &#8220;Michael Hiltzik.&#8221; He then did this to offer his &#8220;real&#8221; identity support from those who would challenge or attack him.</p>
<p>Imagine if he wrote a post on his Golden State blog, and then &#8220;mikekoshi&#8221; came up and said &#8220;this is a fantastic article.&#8221; Obviously he tried to be slightly more clever than that, but that&#8217;s the spirit of the distinction we are making.</p>
<p>There is also the little matter that this practice violated his employer&#8217;s code of ethics.</p>
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		<title>By: Pro Cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pro Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm kinda torn on the issue of Hiltzik's conduct. It looks bad and dishonest on its surface. But we have a tradition of this type of deception to spur debate. Ben Franklin would often opine, then write in letters under a pseudonym criticizing the position his real self had taken. Just to further the discussion on the issue at hand.

I suppose the critical difference is that Franklin was trying to spur debate, not squelch it, which is what Hiltzik appears to have been attempting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m kinda torn on the issue of Hiltzik&#8217;s conduct. It looks bad and dishonest on its surface. But we have a tradition of this type of deception to spur debate. Ben Franklin would often opine, then write in letters under a pseudonym criticizing the position his real self had taken. Just to further the discussion on the issue at hand.</p>
<p>I suppose the critical difference is that Franklin was trying to spur debate, not squelch it, which is what Hiltzik appears to have been attempting.</p>
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		<title>By: TomK</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41163</link>
		<dc:creator>TomK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't the Golden State blog a "publication" of the LA Times? In using pseudonyms (more than 1) to make comments on the blog, didn't Hiltzik in essence make up quotes (Joeblow says X. janeblow says you are absolutely right joeblow)? Isn't making up people and quotes verboten in the newspaper world?

Mike Royko in the old Chicago Daily News days used pseudonyms and fake quotes in his column (Good Jane, Bad Jane (Byrne) and Slats Grobnick (sp?). But that was very clearly satire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the Golden State blog a &#8220;publication&#8221; of the LA Times? In using pseudonyms (more than 1) to make comments on the blog, didn&#8217;t Hiltzik in essence make up quotes (Joeblow says X. janeblow says you are absolutely right joeblow)? Isn&#8217;t making up people and quotes verboten in the newspaper world?</p>
<p>Mike Royko in the old Chicago Daily News days used pseudonyms and fake quotes in his column (Good Jane, Bad Jane (Byrne) and Slats Grobnick (sp?). But that was very clearly satire.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Hiltzigâ€™s offense is not the use of false IDâ€™s, it the use of pseudinyms to deceive his readers. &lt;/em&gt;

What the hell is the difference? Talk about hair-splitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Hiltzigâ€™s offense is not the use of false IDâ€™s, it the use of pseudinyms to deceive his readers. </em></p>
<p>What the hell is the difference? Talk about hair-splitting.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Peters</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41157</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:
    I don't use pseudonyms anymore. I did for a while after I received some very nasty e-mail's. I understand why some still do. Hiltzig's offense is not the use of false ID's, it the use of pseudinyms to deceive his readers. He wasn't advancing his arguments. He was creating a false impression. On some of the threads he commented under his name and then praised himself under a pseudonym. The only MSM comparison would be if you found out that the letters to the editor section of the paper were not written by readers but were written by the reporters under false names Hiltzik wants to frame the debate strictly around the use of pseudonyms because he knows that he will have many bloggers who will defend that practice. And the MSM will join the fray around that issue because it allows them to trash the blogs. To psued or not to pseud is a valid discussion but if Hiltzik and his friends are allowed to frame the debate around this narrow popint he will be able to hide what he did. I don't think he should be fired. I have read the L.A. Times for the last 38 years and I would get rid of him for other reasons but this action is very tacky, very unproffessional, but not a firing defense.

Kevin Peters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:<br />
    I don&#8217;t use pseudonyms anymore. I did for a while after I received some very nasty e-mail&#8217;s. I understand why some still do. Hiltzig&#8217;s offense is not the use of false ID&#8217;s, it the use of pseudinyms to deceive his readers. He wasn&#8217;t advancing his arguments. He was creating a false impression. On some of the threads he commented under his name and then praised himself under a pseudonym. The only MSM comparison would be if you found out that the letters to the editor section of the paper were not written by readers but were written by the reporters under false names Hiltzik wants to frame the debate strictly around the use of pseudonyms because he knows that he will have many bloggers who will defend that practice. And the MSM will join the fray around that issue because it allows them to trash the blogs. To psued or not to pseud is a valid discussion but if Hiltzik and his friends are allowed to frame the debate around this narrow popint he will be able to hide what he did. I don&#8217;t think he should be fired. I have read the L.A. Times for the last 38 years and I would get rid of him for other reasons but this action is very tacky, very unproffessional, but not a firing defense.</p>
<p>Kevin Peters</p>
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		<title>By: Mumblix Grumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mumblix Grumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't comment if I couldn't use a pseudonym.  (I'm sure that there are many who would applaud such a development).  
Any "733t H4xx0r" could figure out my identity in about 12 seconds.  I just don't want my real name floating around out there in case I say something that my free speech loving boss might dissagree with and have me canned. (She is NOT a "733t H4xx0r"!)
If I was trying to build a following, or a career, I would use my real name, but I'm not, so just call me Mumblix Grumph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t comment if I couldn&#8217;t use a pseudonym.  (I&#8217;m sure that there are many who would applaud such a development).<br />
Any &#8220;733t H4xx0r&#8221; could figure out my identity in about 12 seconds.  I just don&#8217;t want my real name floating around out there in case I say something that my free speech loving boss might dissagree with and have me canned. (She is NOT a &#8220;733t H4xx0r&#8221;!)<br />
If I was trying to build a following, or a career, I would use my real name, but I&#8217;m not, so just call me Mumblix Grumph.</p>
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		<title>By: Unarmed Don S</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41150</link>
		<dc:creator>Unarmed Don S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use psueds from time to time (I'm using one now). But using them in concert with each other to shape a debate or to make it appear that there is more interest in a debate than actually exists seems a bit sicko. 

I use psueds for two reasons primarily. For years I posted using my own name and rigorously never used a psued. One day I was called into my manager's office and given a written warning over something which I had written under my own  name (on my personal time). Someone had reported me to the management and they disagreed. I would be fired if I continued. 

I began using a psued that night and have never stopped. I now use my proper name only to express views I think uncontroversial. I also shook the dust of that place from my feet as soon after as I could manage. Actually both the employer and the BB where the squealer resided. It's a nasty judgemental world out there so the #1 reason to use a pseud is self-protection. 

I also use pseuds to express a viewpoint, particularly when I need to pile sarcasm onto a worthy head. In this case the psuedname is carefully chosen and the medium is indeed part of the message in those situations. This kind of pseud has a half-life of maybe 3 comments and a day or two at most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use psueds from time to time (I&#8217;m using one now). But using them in concert with each other to shape a debate or to make it appear that there is more interest in a debate than actually exists seems a bit sicko. </p>
<p>I use psueds for two reasons primarily. For years I posted using my own name and rigorously never used a psued. One day I was called into my manager&#8217;s office and given a written warning over something which I had written under my own  name (on my personal time). Someone had reported me to the management and they disagreed. I would be fired if I continued. </p>
<p>I began using a psued that night and have never stopped. I now use my proper name only to express views I think uncontroversial. I also shook the dust of that place from my feet as soon after as I could manage. Actually both the employer and the BB where the squealer resided. It&#8217;s a nasty judgemental world out there so the #1 reason to use a pseud is self-protection. </p>
<p>I also use pseuds to express a viewpoint, particularly when I need to pile sarcasm onto a worthy head. In this case the psuedname is carefully chosen and the medium is indeed part of the message in those situations. This kind of pseud has a half-life of maybe 3 comments and a day or two at most.</p>
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		<title>By: Armed and Legged</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41146</link>
		<dc:creator>Armed and Legged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What they said.</description>
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		<title>By: Armed Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41137</link>
		<dc:creator>Armed Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto.</description>
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		<title>By: Armed Moderate</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41136</link>
		<dc:creator>Armed Moderate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What he said.</description>
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		<title>By: Armed Liberal</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41135</link>
		<dc:creator>Armed Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you've been areound the Internet long enough to know that the issue wasn't anonymity or even his belligerent affect; the issue was, pure and simply, fraud.

If I were to invent two other online persona - "Armed Moderate" and "Armed Thinker" and use them to extol my - and each other's - positions while bashing people who agreed with me, I'd be defrauding the people I'm in dialog with.

Here's part of what I wrote about this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;If Hiltzik were - as a hypothetical - in a recovery program, and someone who posted on a recovery website or discussion board under a pseudonym, to protect his privacy in "the world", to have connected the pseudonym and the person would be an act of gratuitous cruelty.

But there would be no intersection between his life in the world - as a reporter, columnist of blogger - and the personal world in which he was talking about issues related to his recovery (or sexuality or diet or whatever).

Patterico and I both started out blogging under pseudonyms that we defended - there were very few people who knew that Armed Liberal was Marc Danziger, and at my first blogger events, TG awkwardly introduced herself as "Mrs. Armed Liberal". We both did it for what we felt were valid reasons, and have both since come out.

But no one has ever wonder what I wrote or where I stand.

Everything I've written as a blogger is out there, and there's a very simple and transparent ability of any reader to look at my words and, if they so choose, form an impression about who I am and what I think.

When Hiltzik (or John Lott, who did the same thing) broke that rule, what he did was to poison the dialog by creating a situation where readers can't trust writers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Marc Danziger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you&#8217;ve been areound the Internet long enough to know that the issue wasn&#8217;t anonymity or even his belligerent affect; the issue was, pure and simply, fraud.</p>
<p>If I were to invent two other online persona - &#8220;Armed Moderate&#8221; and &#8220;Armed Thinker&#8221; and use them to extol my - and each other&#8217;s - positions while bashing people who agreed with me, I&#8217;d be defrauding the people I&#8217;m in dialog with.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s part of what I wrote about this:</p>
<blockquote><p>If Hiltzik were - as a hypothetical - in a recovery program, and someone who posted on a recovery website or discussion board under a pseudonym, to protect his privacy in &#8220;the world&#8221;, to have connected the pseudonym and the person would be an act of gratuitous cruelty.</p>
<p>But there would be no intersection between his life in the world - as a reporter, columnist of blogger - and the personal world in which he was talking about issues related to his recovery (or sexuality or diet or whatever).</p>
<p>Patterico and I both started out blogging under pseudonyms that we defended - there were very few people who knew that Armed Liberal was Marc Danziger, and at my first blogger events, TG awkwardly introduced herself as &#8220;Mrs. Armed Liberal&#8221;. We both did it for what we felt were valid reasons, and have both since come out.</p>
<p>But no one has ever wonder what I wrote or where I stand.</p>
<p>Everything I&#8217;ve written as a blogger is out there, and there&#8217;s a very simple and transparent ability of any reader to look at my words and, if they so choose, form an impression about who I am and what I think.</p>
<p>When Hiltzik (or John Lott, who did the same thing) broke that rule, what he did was to poison the dialog by creating a situation where readers can&#8217;t trust writers.</p></blockquote>
<p>Marc Danziger</p>
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		<title>By: richard mcenroe</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41134</link>
		<dc:creator>richard mcenroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, of course he shouldn't be fired; he's a Democrat misquoting conservatives.  Besides, it's not like he did anything serious like plagiarize a movie review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, of course he shouldn&#8217;t be fired; he&#8217;s a Democrat misquoting conservatives.  Besides, it&#8217;s not like he did anything serious like plagiarize a movie review.</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guilty by association</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-41075</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guilty by association</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well, that&#8217;s like saying that The New York Times&#8217; experiment in journalism backfired with Jayson Blair. This isn&#8217;t about blogging as a form. This is about journalists being afraid to deal with people, eye-to-eye. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Well, that&#8217;s like saying that The New York Times&#8217; experiment in journalism backfired with Jayson Blair. This isn&#8217;t about blogging as a form. This is about journalists being afraid to deal with people, eye-to-eye. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The ethics of anonymous commenting challenged &#187; Peoria Pundit</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-40895</link>
		<dc:creator>The ethics of anonymous commenting challenged &#187; Peoria Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis, a leading blogger who focuses on the conflict between the new media and the old, makes a good argument that this behavior this not only unethical, it&#8217;s s aign of the self-defeating attitudes that are pervasive in the mainstream media. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis, a leading blogger who focuses on the conflict between the new media and the old, makes a good argument that this behavior this not only unethical, it&#8217;s s aign of the self-defeating attitudes that are pervasive in the mainstream media. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Mosher</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/04/21/identity/#comment-40837</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Mosher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The actual facts of the Hiltzik case go beyond mere anonymity.

The guy was getting hammered by critical comments on his own L.A. Times sponsored blog. His normal response to disagreement was to pompously decree that all who differed with him were idiots.

He seemingly was trying to build traffic by starting flame wars with established bloggers like Hugh Hewitt, Mickey Kaus and others. For the most part, the other bloggers refused to take the bait.

No matter what he tried, the comment traffic on his blog was normally extremely sparse, with the exception of occasional waves of comments defending a blogger he had recently attacked.

Outnumbered, maybe fifty to one, he invented imaginary friendly commenters to come to his rescue against his hordes of critics.

The L.A. Times Golden State blog could have worked, if they had staffed the position with someone who could take the heat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The actual facts of the Hiltzik case go beyond mere anonymity.</p>
<p>The guy was getting hammered by critical comments on his own L.A. Times sponsored blog. His normal response to disagreement was to pompously decree that all who differed with him were idiots.</p>
<p>He seemingly was trying to build traffic by starting flame wars with established bloggers like Hugh Hewitt, Mickey Kaus and others. For the most part, the other bloggers refused to take the bait.</p>
<p>No matter what he tried, the comment traffic on his blog was normally extremely sparse, with the exception of occasional waves of comments defending a blogger he had recently attacked.</p>
<p>Outnumbered, maybe fifty to one, he invented imaginary friendly commenters to come to his rescue against his hordes of critics.</p>
<p>The L.A. Times Golden State blog could have worked, if they had staffed the position with someone who could take the heat.</p>
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