Comments on: Enabling v. owning http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:17:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: brad staker http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-76873 brad staker Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:21:49 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-76873 I wonder how myspace.com fits into a model lke salesforce.com I have been studying the morphing of the corporate nework with the personal network. I have thought there may be a middle ground that has thebest of both worlds I wonder how myspace.com fits into a model lke salesforce.com
I have been studying the morphing of the corporate nework with the personal network. I have thought there may be a middle ground that has thebest of both worlds

]]> By: Confused Of Calcutta » Blog Archive » Four Pillars: Because Of rather than With: A very provisional post http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-66857 Confused Of Calcutta » Blog Archive » Four Pillars: Because Of rather than With: A very provisional post Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:51:09 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-66857 [...] Not that long ago, Jeff Jarvis was talking about Enabling versus Owning and its impact in this space, and, more recently, on the concept of Everybody’s a Network. [...] [...] Not that long ago, Jeff Jarvis was talking about Enabling versus Owning and its impact in this space, and, more recently, on the concept of Everybody’s a Network. [...]

]]> By: Identity is Art at JG etc. http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-60786 Identity is Art at JG etc. Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:11:00 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-60786 [...] Owning your Space Good comment by Jeff Jarvis: but I still say that the issue for MySpace is that it isn’t really my space; it’s their space. And that’s weak glue. [...] [...] Owning your Space Good comment by Jeff Jarvis: but I still say that the issue for MySpace is that it isn’t really my space; it’s their space. And that’s weak glue. [...]

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Whose space? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-59566 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Whose space? Tue, 30 May 2006 17:59:54 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-59566 [...] In the UK, a MySpace competitor called Bebo has been challenging the king for the top spot in traffic, says The Guardian. Scott Karp has been asking whether the MySpace fizzle has begun. I don’t know, but I still say that the issue for MySpace is that it isn’t really my space; it’s their space. And that’s weak glue. [...] [...] In the UK, a MySpace competitor called Bebo has been challenging the king for the top spot in traffic, says The Guardian. Scott Karp has been asking whether the MySpace fizzle has begun. I don’t know, but I still say that the issue for MySpace is that it isn’t really my space; it’s their space. And that’s weak glue. [...]

]]> By: Web2.0Sceptic http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-54793 Web2.0Sceptic Thu, 25 May 2006 10:52:56 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-54793 I have done some analysis on this recently (on the frontispiece of Firedman's <i>The World is Flat</i> an airplane flying back from Moscow actually). Two points that back you way up and Umair way down: 1) The creator <b>is one of the consumers</b>. 2) Given (1): enabling creators creates consumers. I have many slides on this. Email to discuss. Sid I have done some analysis on this recently (on the frontispiece of Firedman’s The World is Flat an airplane flying back from Moscow actually).

Two points that back you way up and Umair way down:

1) The creator is one of the consumers.

2) Given (1): enabling creators creates consumers.

I have many slides on this. Email to discuss.

Sid

]]> By: Johnny Triangles http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-52078 Johnny Triangles Mon, 22 May 2006 16:22:12 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-52078 Great, GREAT points. I've been watching to see exactly what the next steps will be by Fox and the Myspace execs, because while it's definitely got undeniable power, size and influence, it's not a force of nature like a mighty river or the sun, but rather it's akin to a tornado or hurricane. You can harness solar power and direct its uses. You can harness the force of a river and use it for irrigation, hydroelectricity, drinking water, etc. All you can do with tornados and hurricanes is duck for cover and get out of their way. Right now Myspace, with its overall skankiness, pedophila problems and bad image issues is just too hard to control and direct. The powers-that-be need to rein the site in and try to reshape it in a way that allows them to control and harness its power better, but the problem is that the problems inherent in the site (its unpredictablity, viral nature, crassness) are also some of the biggest reasons for its popularity. The very steps you need to make it more manageable will also make it less powerful. Add to that the chronic fear of any whiff of censorship by the sites hyperemotional young users and that makes any sort of regulation even less likely. Sorry if my thoughts are poorly organized or unclear, I'm writing this kind of quickly (I'm at work! lol). Anyway, great piece. <a href="http://johnnytriangles.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Johnny Triangles</a> Great, GREAT points. I’ve been watching to see exactly what the next steps will be by Fox and the Myspace execs, because while it’s definitely got undeniable power, size and influence, it’s not a force of nature like a mighty river or the sun, but rather it’s akin to a tornado or hurricane. You can harness solar power and direct its uses. You can harness the force of a river and use it for irrigation, hydroelectricity, drinking water, etc. All you can do with tornados and hurricanes is duck for cover and get out of their way. Right now Myspace, with its overall skankiness, pedophila problems and bad image issues is just too hard to control and direct. The powers-that-be need to rein the site in and try to reshape it in a way that allows them to control and harness its power better, but the problem is that the problems inherent in the site (its unpredictablity, viral nature, crassness) are also some of the biggest reasons for its popularity. The very steps you need to make it more manageable will also make it less powerful. Add to that the chronic fear of any whiff of censorship by the sites hyperemotional young users and that makes any sort of regulation even less likely.

Sorry if my thoughts are poorly organized or unclear, I’m writing this kind of quickly (I’m at work! lol). Anyway, great piece.

Johnny Triangles

]]> By: Publishing 2.0 » The Unbearable Lightness of 2.0 Business Strategy http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-51263 Publishing 2.0 » The Unbearable Lightness of 2.0 Business Strategy Sun, 21 May 2006 20:11:23 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-51263 [...] Here’s a counterpoint from Jeff: Now I’m not denying the incredible power of MySpace. But I am wondering whether it is really fully at the edge — yet. In fact, I questioned here whether there is a disadvantage in trying to own a community — because then you become responsible for the community’s actions and its worst (i.e., the molester’s home page). And so I wonder, in turn, whether the real relationship play in the future is not to try to own community but to enable it. And enabling is sometimes known as infrastructure. That’s the point I want to probe. If they’re still “consumers,” is this really the edge? I say the edge is all about control by creators: That is, I control my own space, this space at the edge, Buzzmachine; I am subject to no one’s rules; I hold responsibility; I reap the benefits, if any; I have relationships as a result of having this presence online; this is mine, all mine; thus I can also relinquish control and, for example, put out full text on RSS and I can realize that the real conversation is not just the one in the comments but the one distributed across others’ sites. That is qualitatively different from a community destination: You go there, you benefit from their infrastructure but you are subject to their rules, you live in someone else’s space. [...] [...] Here’s a counterpoint from Jeff: Now I’m not denying the incredible power of MySpace. But I am wondering whether it is really fully at the edge — yet. In fact, I questioned here whether there is a disadvantage in trying to own a community — because then you become responsible for the community’s actions and its worst (i.e., the molester’s home page). And so I wonder, in turn, whether the real relationship play in the future is not to try to own community but to enable it. And enabling is sometimes known as infrastructure. That’s the point I want to probe. If they’re still “consumers,” is this really the edge? I say the edge is all about control by creators: That is, I control my own space, this space at the edge, Buzzmachine; I am subject to no one’s rules; I hold responsibility; I reap the benefits, if any; I have relationships as a result of having this presence online; this is mine, all mine; thus I can also relinquish control and, for example, put out full text on RSS and I can realize that the real conversation is not just the one in the comments but the one distributed across others’ sites. That is qualitatively different from a community destination: You go there, you benefit from their infrastructure but you are subject to their rules, you live in someone else’s space. [...]

]]> By: Stephen Chanasyk http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-51220 Stephen Chanasyk Sun, 21 May 2006 17:38:01 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/05/21/enabling-v-owning/#comment-51220 Is it just me or do find it funny that Umair managed to write Myspace and proprietary in the same sentence. Is it just me or do find it funny that Umair managed to write Myspace and proprietary in the same sentence.

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