Comments on: Dangerous dolts threaten our internet http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:40:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: FX http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-332348 FX Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:28:49 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-332348 "(why aren’t our speeds as fast as they are in Japan? why do we still have the speeds of 10 years ago?)" Perhaps population density and geographic expanse differences between USA and Japan/Korea/Hong Kong has something to do with it. Clearly you can see that each time the RBOCs (i.e. AT&T) drops their price for DSL, Cable raises their speed. You are getting your desired effect through normal course of market competitive forces. Where do you see the biggest value? More speed or lower monthly bills? I expect differences in opinion here. Most DSL and Cable customers (i.e. 90% plus) barely use 3Mbps concurrently with the current popular Internet applications available today. I wonder whether the mass population in Japan are 'subsidizing' the Internet infrastructure needed for a few percent of the population who are 'heavy users'. And what are they doing with all this bandwidth? Winee and similar P2P applications. “(why aren’t our speeds as fast as they are in Japan? why do we still have the speeds of 10 years ago?)”

Perhaps population density and geographic expanse differences between USA and Japan/Korea/Hong Kong has something to do with it.

Clearly you can see that each time the RBOCs (i.e. AT&T) drops their price for DSL, Cable raises their speed. You are getting your desired effect through normal course of market competitive forces. Where do you see the biggest value? More speed or lower monthly bills? I expect differences in opinion here. Most DSL and Cable customers (i.e. 90% plus) barely use 3Mbps concurrently with the current popular Internet applications available today. I wonder whether the mass population in Japan are ’subsidizing’ the Internet infrastructure needed for a few percent of the population who are ‘heavy users’. And what are they doing with all this bandwidth? Winee and similar P2P applications.

]]> By: anon http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-98352 anon Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:51:01 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-98352 Can you provide an email address for Milo Melin? I would very much like to contact him and give him a piece of my mind. He is widely hailed as an "internet legend" and yet has not used his influence to improve the net (why aren't our speeds as fast as they are in Japan? why do we still have the speeds of 10 years ago?) plus all of the dangerous issues you raise. It's all a matter of wealth and greed, isn't it, Mr. Melin? Thank you for listening. I wish your information would reach more people. Pass the word, everyone, please. Can you provide an email address for Milo Melin? I would very much like to contact him and give him a piece of my mind. He is widely hailed as an “internet legend” and yet has not used his influence to improve the net (why aren’t our speeds as fast as they are in Japan? why do we still have the speeds of 10 years ago?) plus all of the dangerous issues you raise. It’s all a matter of wealth and greed, isn’t it, Mr. Melin?

Thank you for listening. I wish your information would reach more people. Pass the word, everyone, please.

]]> By: Free Internet TV is an Internet television tuner program http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-70297 Free Internet TV is an Internet television tuner program Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:52:54 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-70297 Providing TV program through internet is broadband television. It makes possible to view live terrestrial channels. Many websites offer now legal TV and video download services with millions of files are offered by many websites. Free Internet TV is an Internet television tuner program that allows you to view over 750 online TV stations from around […] Providing TV program through internet is broadband television. It makes possible to view live terrestrial channels. Many websites offer now legal TV and video download services with millions of files are offered by many websites.
Free Internet TV is an Internet television tuner program that allows you to view over 750 online TV stations from around […]

]]> By: Blog Marketing, Blog Promotion for Newbies » Blog Archive » I’m Beginning To Get The Feeling http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-54116 Blog Marketing, Blog Promotion for Newbies » Blog Archive » I’m Beginning To Get The Feeling Wed, 24 May 2006 23:52:08 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-54116 [...] Discovered who the first enemies of Net Neutrality were today - Jeff Jarvis tells us it was @Home, “The Enron of the Internet.” [...] [...] Discovered who the first enemies of Net Neutrality were today – Jeff Jarvis tells us it was @Home, “The Enron of the Internet.” [...]

]]> By: Richard Bennett http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-54033 Richard Bennett Wed, 24 May 2006 21:50:01 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-54033 That's silly. Google buys bandwidth wholesale, and they can crush any startup search company by jamming ISPs with data from their video downloads. Content discrimination simply levels the playing field. That’s silly. Google buys bandwidth wholesale, and they can crush any startup search company by jamming ISPs with data from their video downloads. Content discrimination simply levels the playing field.

]]> By: Andy Freeman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-53732 Andy Freeman Wed, 24 May 2006 13:45:38 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-53732 Actually, Jarvis is consistent. He thinks that ISPs and bandwidth providers should not discriminate between different service providers and customers except on the basis of bandwidth. In other words, he thinks that it's wrong for an ISP to block Yahoo or to provide better service for folks using Yahoo because Yahoo paid money to the ISP and some other search engine didn't. Remind me - why should 1kb from Yahoo get preferential treatment over 1kb from Google? As I recall, the old AT&T didn't get a cut of IBM's revenues when I called IBM on the phone. Why should the new AT&T get a cut of Yahoo's revenues when I use Yahoo? (The latter is AT&T's proposal.) Actually, Jarvis is consistent. He thinks that ISPs and bandwidth providers should not discriminate between different service providers and customers except on the basis of bandwidth.

In other words, he thinks that it’s wrong for an ISP to block Yahoo or to provide better service for folks using Yahoo because Yahoo paid money to the ISP and some other search engine didn’t.

Remind me – why should 1kb from Yahoo get preferential treatment over 1kb from Google?

As I recall, the old AT&T didn’t get a cut of IBM’s revenues when I called IBM on the phone. Why should the new AT&T get a cut of Yahoo’s revenues when I use Yahoo? (The latter is AT&T’s proposal.)

]]> By: Mark Wade http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-53678 Mark Wade Wed, 24 May 2006 12:24:02 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-53678 Let's see... since so many are already FOR giving the Telcos, who're $200 Billion richer without providing the services they promised, what they want, what's another billion or so for VC's to give to another group who ought not be trusted. It's the American way, isn't it? It's only money, har har... Let’s see… since so many are already FOR giving the Telcos, who’re $200 Billion richer without providing the services they promised, what they want, what’s another billion or so for VC’s to give to another group who ought not be trusted.

It’s the American way, isn’t it? It’s only money, har har…

]]> By: Successful Blog - Net Neutrality 5-24-2006 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-53636 Successful Blog - Net Neutrality 5-24-2006 Wed, 24 May 2006 11:12:45 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-53636 [...] Dangerous dolts threaten our internet When I started reading this story about an effort to use radio bandwidth to provide ubiquitous, cheap or free (ad-supported), broadband internet access across the country, I started to get happy. But then I saw the dolts who were proposing this and the dangerous things they doing and I want to make sure they don’t get anywhere near our internet. [...] [...] Dangerous dolts threaten our internet When I started reading this story about an effort to use radio bandwidth to provide ubiquitous, cheap or free (ad-supported), broadband internet access across the country, I started to get happy. But then I saw the dolts who were proposing this and the dangerous things they doing and I want to make sure they don’t get anywhere near our internet. [...]

]]> By: Richard Bennett http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-53197 Richard Bennett Tue, 23 May 2006 21:41:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-53197 Uh, Jeff, weren't you just arguing for FCC regulation of ISP business practices in the name of "net neutrality?" Your reversals are making my head hurt, dude. Uh, Jeff, weren’t you just arguing for FCC regulation of ISP business practices in the name of “net neutrality?”

Your reversals are making my head hurt, dude.

]]> By: all your internet are belong to us… at connecting*the*dots http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-53192 all your internet are belong to us… at connecting*the*dots Tue, 23 May 2006 21:29:35 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-53192 [...] Jeff Jarvis: …”If this post were a podcast, you’d hear an anguished and angry scream right now. Evil fools. They invite government censorship of our internet, a Trojan horse that would only lead to more censorship (insert idiotic level-playing-field argument here).”… [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis: …”If this post were a podcast, you’d hear an anguished and angry scream right now. Evil fools. They invite government censorship of our internet, a Trojan horse that would only lead to more censorship (insert idiotic level-playing-field argument here).”… [...]

]]> By: Andy Freeman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-53160 Andy Freeman Tue, 23 May 2006 20:39:08 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-53160 > are lot’s of folks who have figured out once you are connected, you can use the browser of your choice to go where and see what you want. Not if they're blocking IPs and proxy services, which seems to be exactly what they're proposing. > are lot’s of folks who have figured out once you are connected, you can use the browser of your choice to go where and see what you want.

Not if they’re blocking IPs and proxy services, which seems to be exactly what they’re proposing.

]]> By: Tom Evslin http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-53120 Tom Evslin Tue, 23 May 2006 19:05:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-53120 Jeff: It sounds like the Chinese Internet @home. Couldn't agree more with your angry scream. Posted <a href="http://blog.tomevslin.com/2006/05/m2z_the_chinese.html" rel="nofollow">my own</a>. Jeff:

It sounds like the Chinese Internet @home. Couldn’t agree more with your angry scream. Posted my own.

]]> By: alan herrell - the head lemur http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-52983 alan herrell - the head lemur Tue, 23 May 2006 15:21:09 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-52983 Jeff, The current players may be the wrong ones, if your view of them is accurate, but the concept remains viable. You assert the spectrum is a giveaway. According to this Business Week article, http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2006/tc20060522_430352.htm?campaign_id=rss_tech the spectrum assignment is a revenue sharing arrangment with the FCC, 5% is the quoted figure. This seems to be a better arrangement for re-occurring revenue, than a one time payment under the current auction scene, regardless of the price. As for your assertion that the Auction system goes to the *best players*, step back and see who the backers of the tiered internet are. Seems to be the *best players*. As for the *decency* argument, this is silly. There are lot's of folks who have figured out once you are connected, you can use the browser of your choice to go where and see what you want. Jeff,

The current players may be the wrong ones, if your view of them is accurate, but the concept remains viable.

You assert the spectrum is a giveaway. According to this Business Week article, http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2006/tc20060522_430352.htm?campaign_id=rss_tech
the spectrum assignment is a revenue sharing arrangment with the FCC, 5% is the quoted figure. This seems to be a better arrangement for re-occurring revenue, than a one time payment under the current auction scene, regardless of the price.

As for your assertion that the Auction system goes to the *best players*, step back and see who the backers of the tiered internet are. Seems to be the *best players*.

As for the *decency* argument, this is silly. There are lot’s of folks who have figured out once you are connected, you can use the browser of your choice to go where and see what you want.

]]> By: Suebob http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-52967 Suebob Tue, 23 May 2006 15:03:06 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-52967 It's like playing Whack-a-Mole, isn't it? Just when you think you have one bad idea smashed down, more pop up. It’s like playing Whack-a-Mole, isn’t it? Just when you think you have one bad idea smashed down, more pop up.

]]> By: Liz Strauss http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/23/dangerous-dolts-threaten-internet/#comment-52952 Liz Strauss Tue, 23 May 2006 14:44:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=1552#comment-52952 What awful examples of the species seem to be showing up at this party -- the folks behind the curtain who use smoke and mirrors, the "see-hear-speak no evil" ones who think there's no problem, the patronizing self-interested who are just plain greedy, the carpetbaggers who play both sides for any opportunity, and now in comes the downright lacking of critical thinking skills . . . Perhaps we should start filming this as reality TV. We could then use the advertising dollars to fund content in Media 2.0. :) What awful examples of the species seem to be showing up at this party — the folks behind the curtain who use smoke and mirrors, the “see-hear-speak no evil” ones who think there’s no problem, the patronizing self-interested who are just plain greedy, the carpetbaggers who play both sides for any opportunity, and now in comes the downright lacking of critical thinking skills . . . Perhaps we should start filming this as reality TV.

We could then use the advertising dollars to fund content in Media 2.0. :)

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