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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Lapre Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/31/chinese-excuses/#comment-175638</link>
		<dc:creator>Lapre Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it' sabout time to take a stand with regards to what is right and not just about what the bottom line is when conducting business not only abroad but at home as well.  Let's see if there are any large corporations that would care.....  UHHHH  NOOOOO!!!  Regardless it's still sad to see.  My comment to MR. Semel, GET some B&#62;&#62;&#62;&#62;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217; sabout time to take a stand with regards to what is right and not just about what the bottom line is when conducting business not only abroad but at home as well.  Let&#8217;s see if there are any large corporations that would care&#8230;..  UHHHH  NOOOOO!!!  Regardless it&#8217;s still sad to see.  My comment to MR. Semel, GET some B&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Google and China: On second thought&#8230;.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/31/chinese-excuses/#comment-65171</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Google and China: On second thought&#8230;.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 00:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well, that beats saying you&#8217;re not sure what you&#8217;d do about Hitler. At least someone is talking about principles. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Well, that beats saying you&#8217;re not sure what you&#8217;d do about Hitler. At least someone is talking about principles. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The China problem</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/31/chinese-excuses/#comment-63553</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The China problem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fred Wilson and I see things differently regarding Terry Semel&#8217;s responses to questions on China. Fred says: &#8230;Semel stated Yahoo!&#8217;s position that it was better to engage with China and push them at every opportunity to become more open than to leave the country entirely. It was a good position, in my opinion, and he made it well. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fred Wilson and I see things differently regarding Terry Semel&#8217;s responses to questions on China. Fred says: &#8230;Semel stated Yahoo!&#8217;s position that it was better to engage with China and push them at every opportunity to become more open than to leave the country entirely. It was a good position, in my opinion, and he made it well. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: OLDPUPPYMAX</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/31/chinese-excuses/#comment-62299</link>
		<dc:creator>OLDPUPPYMAX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't this guy a little to old to still be claiming that his dog ate his homework? But of course I suppose admitting the policy was pathetic would make it necessary to go out and find a job for an outfit that didn't help dictators put innocent people in prison. The heck with that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this guy a little to old to still be claiming that his dog ate his homework? But of course I suppose admitting the policy was pathetic would make it necessary to go out and find a job for an outfit that didn&#8217;t help dictators put innocent people in prison. The heck with that!</p>
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		<title>By: ruth</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/31/chinese-excuses/#comment-61652</link>
		<dc:creator>ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Semel has a corporate responsibility which is the present modus operandi in the business world, a 'charge to keep' for his stockholders, and if he were to bypass the market that China represents, he would be subject to charges of neglecting his responsibilities to those stockholders.  Ethics can be expensive in a world of business standards.  Can you say 'fiduciary'?  I agree, there are higher issues here, and if he were a bigger, better, richer man he would be praiseworthy by exercising a moral role unlike his peers or his government, which is dealing with China as if it were not guilty of innumerable human rights violations.   In his shoes, would I?  

I understand that users of the internet in repressive countries have found many ways to bypass the governments' controls, can access sites like CNN or WaPo by routing thru remote access sites in Singapore and other open locations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Semel has a corporate responsibility which is the present modus operandi in the business world, a &#8216;charge to keep&#8217; for his stockholders, and if he were to bypass the market that China represents, he would be subject to charges of neglecting his responsibilities to those stockholders.  Ethics can be expensive in a world of business standards.  Can you say &#8216;fiduciary&#8217;?  I agree, there are higher issues here, and if he were a bigger, better, richer man he would be praiseworthy by exercising a moral role unlike his peers or his government, which is dealing with China as if it were not guilty of innumerable human rights violations.   In his shoes, would I?  </p>
<p>I understand that users of the internet in repressive countries have found many ways to bypass the governments&#8217; controls, can access sites like CNN or WaPo by routing thru remote access sites in Singapore and other open locations.</p>
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		<title>By: StorageMojo &#187; Capitalism and Morality</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/31/chinese-excuses/#comment-61308</link>
		<dc:creator>StorageMojo &#187; Capitalism and Morality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Terry Semel, CEO of Yahoo, has been taking a beating in the blogosphere because Yahoo has helped the Chinese government nab dissidents. People are acting surprised that large multi-national corporations are aiding authoritarian governments. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Terry Semel, CEO of Yahoo, has been taking a beating in the blogosphere because Yahoo has helped the Chinese government nab dissidents. People are acting surprised that large multi-national corporations are aiding authoritarian governments. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/31/chinese-excuses/#comment-61181</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 17:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"Mr. Semel went on: â€œI donâ€™t think any one company is going to change a country, and I dont think any one industry is going to change a country."&lt;/i&gt;

Yep, so let's not even worry about trying to do what is right. Yes, he's "pissed off" and "outraged", but a media David like Yahoo is powerless to change anything, so might as well go with the flow. 

&lt;i&gt;The Neville Chamberlain of the internet.&lt;/i&gt;

*departs airplane, waving document that advertises his stupidity *
"I believe it is peace for our time"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Mr. Semel went on: â€œI donâ€™t think any one company is going to change a country, and I dont think any one industry is going to change a country.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yep, so let&#8217;s not even worry about trying to do what is right. Yes, he&#8217;s &#8220;pissed off&#8221; and &#8220;outraged&#8221;, but a media David like Yahoo is powerless to change anything, so might as well go with the flow. </p>
<p><i>The Neville Chamberlain of the internet.</i></p>
<p>*departs airplane, waving document that advertises his stupidity *<br />
&#8220;I believe it is peace for our time&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: laurence haughton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/31/chinese-excuses/#comment-61148</link>
		<dc:creator>laurence haughton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before anyone writes Terry Semel off simply as a craven, opportunistic enabler of dictators consider:

It is possible to believe in freedom and tactically decide that engagement is the best way to change this unique situation.  Sure it's slower than a successful confrontation (and can look like enabling) but who's going to guarantee that a confrontation would be successful?    

I'm not saying that Semel shouldn't be questioned, asked to think through what Yahoo does to enable repression and what they should do behind the scenes to keep giving freedom a push and a nudge.  This is a good post that makes a great point.

But there's a strong case to be made for engagement and small steps.  As the Tao says "When two great forces oppose each other, the victory will go to the one that knows how to yield."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before anyone writes Terry Semel off simply as a craven, opportunistic enabler of dictators consider:</p>
<p>It is possible to believe in freedom and tactically decide that engagement is the best way to change this unique situation.  Sure it&#8217;s slower than a successful confrontation (and can look like enabling) but who&#8217;s going to guarantee that a confrontation would be successful?    </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that Semel shouldn&#8217;t be questioned, asked to think through what Yahoo does to enable repression and what they should do behind the scenes to keep giving freedom a push and a nudge.  This is a good post that makes a great point.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s a strong case to be made for engagement and small steps.  As the Tao says &#8220;When two great forces oppose each other, the victory will go to the one that knows how to yield.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/31/chinese-excuses/#comment-61060</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great ending!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great ending!</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/31/chinese-excuses/#comment-60858</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 02:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Hollywood ethics"?  What silly statement.

I totally agree Semel is beyond stupid on this issue, but Yahoo is far from the worst on this issue.  Google and Microsoft are just as bad and they have the same company line.  As always happens with these types of issues, it comes down to the bottom line.  Imagine how difficult it would have been for the Soviet Union to come apart if American corporations had become their great enablers as they have with China?  What it will take is courage, and stockholders don't like courage.  They like to see their shareholder wealth maximized.  Period.  

The thing is, I think all these companies could ban together and tell China to fuck off and little would happen to them.  China can threaten all she wants, but it's those corporate dollars flowing into the country that gives her the money to remain communist long after others have gone the way of the dodo.

Hypocritical note:  I am an avid Yahoo user and no plans to change that, communist enabler or no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hollywood ethics&#8221;?  What silly statement.</p>
<p>I totally agree Semel is beyond stupid on this issue, but Yahoo is far from the worst on this issue.  Google and Microsoft are just as bad and they have the same company line.  As always happens with these types of issues, it comes down to the bottom line.  Imagine how difficult it would have been for the Soviet Union to come apart if American corporations had become their great enablers as they have with China?  What it will take is courage, and stockholders don&#8217;t like courage.  They like to see their shareholder wealth maximized.  Period.  </p>
<p>The thing is, I think all these companies could ban together and tell China to fuck off and little would happen to them.  China can threaten all she wants, but it&#8217;s those corporate dollars flowing into the country that gives her the money to remain communist long after others have gone the way of the dodo.</p>
<p>Hypocritical note:  I am an avid Yahoo user and no plans to change that, communist enabler or no.</p>
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		<title>By: ZF</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/31/chinese-excuses/#comment-60754</link>
		<dc:creator>ZF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 23:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hollywood ethics on display. We can hardly claim to be surprised, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hollywood ethics on display. We can hardly claim to be surprised, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Buckley</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/05/31/chinese-excuses/#comment-60671</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 22:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Semel might do better to just answer, "Next!" from now on with respect to China. He's not going to win at any level on this one.

Also, did you know your site meter stats link (lower right) clicks through to someone else's site stats? (At least it appears to...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Semel might do better to just answer, &#8220;Next!&#8221; from now on with respect to China. He&#8217;s not going to win at any level on this one.</p>
<p>Also, did you know your site meter stats link (lower right) clicks through to someone else&#8217;s site stats? (At least it appears to&#8230;)</p>
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