Comments on: In the hole http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:29:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: clinton http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-62019 clinton Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:51:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-62019 heres the thing about flight 93, since we know very little about the particulars of what happened, it leaves alot open to conjecture, politics, and formulaic tear jerking. i didnt see the movie but i dont need to. it really is too soon for these movies because we cant watch them with a cool head. knowing this movie makers capitalize on our still-oozing wounds by selling us something that has been scientifically proven to make 80% of viewers cry. they couldnt sell us someting objective, free of sentimental excesses, and fact based right now were still too angry. this isnt a protest, they can make their movies, im just sayin it like it is. if that day is a giant hole in your heart, a movie isnt going to fill it and the idea that it could is insulting. sorry i still havent seen the trailer but im sure this is what ill see, though it may be marketed to blue states instead of red. heres the thing about flight 93, since we know very little about the particulars of what happened, it leaves alot open to conjecture, politics, and formulaic tear jerking. i didnt see the movie but i dont need to. it really is too soon for these movies because we cant watch them with a cool head. knowing this movie makers capitalize on our still-oozing wounds by selling us something that has been scientifically proven to make 80% of viewers cry. they couldnt sell us someting objective, free of sentimental excesses, and fact based right now were still too angry. this isnt a protest, they can make their movies, im just sayin it like it is. if that day is a giant hole in your heart, a movie isnt going to fill it and the idea that it could is insulting.

sorry i still havent seen the trailer but im sure this is what ill see, though it may be marketed to blue states instead of red.

]]> By: JennyD http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61312 JennyD Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:29:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61312 I haven't seen it, but the flight 93 film seemed to be real, gritty, not overwrought. Look at the O. Stone trailer and tell me what you see... I haven’t seen it, but the flight 93 film seemed to be real, gritty, not overwrought.

Look at the O. Stone trailer and tell me what you see…

]]> By: clinton http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61268 clinton Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:39:13 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61268 Old Grouch likely has it right. The assumption that these funds are being appropriately used and, when appropriately used, will succeed in preventing anything is supercilious to say the least. "Its about pork". JennyD can a hollywood (or any other) production, no matter the budget or intent, really do justice to 9/11? Old Grouch likely has it right. The assumption that these funds are being appropriately used and, when appropriately used, will succeed in preventing anything is supercilious to say the least. “Its about pork”.

JennyD can a hollywood (or any other) production, no matter the budget or intent, really do justice to 9/11?

]]> By: JennyD http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61232 JennyD Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:57:02 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61232 Jeff, I keep hoping the movie won't be as overwrought, sappy, with swelling music to tell us when to feel things. This was a painful, awful, evil day, and I worry this movie is going to turn into a kind of goopy, superficially emotional event. Jeff, I keep hoping the movie won’t be as overwrought, sappy, with swelling music to tell us when to feel things. This was a painful, awful, evil day, and I worry this movie is going to turn into a kind of goopy, superficially emotional event.

]]> By: protogenes http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61230 protogenes Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:48:28 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61230 How was the WTC considered an "icon" before Sept 11th? NYC is packed with icons much more well known that that. How do you let these people govern? How was the WTC considered an “icon” before Sept 11th? NYC is packed with icons much more well known that that.

How do you let these people govern?

]]> By: MikeS http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61199 MikeS Thu, 01 Jun 2006 18:21:04 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61199 After reading this, I wonder what your take on <a href="http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=4934988" rel="nofollow">this article</a> would be?  It’s about a debate here in Indiana about the availability of DHMS money to fix tornado sirens. After reading this, I wonder what your take on this article would be?  It’s about a debate here in Indiana about the availability of DHMS money to fix tornado sirens.

]]> By: Jimmy http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61185 Jimmy Thu, 01 Jun 2006 17:36:15 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61185 Odd. I guess they don't consdider Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty to be very important icons to ournation. Oh, wait, those are icons to our immigrant past and we don't like immigrants anymore. By the way, why are you even looking at the trailer for Stone's movie? You have such a visceral dislike for the man (who I think has done one or two exceptional films). Stone himself could have called you personally to get your opinion and you would still hate it. Like any film about September 11, people will either like it or hate it -- there will be no middle ground. Personally, I still think it' s too soon to make films about this subject, but that hasn't stopped bad mini-series on cable or good films like United 93 from being made. Oh, well, freedom means they get to make these films and we get to decide whether or not to see them. Odd. I guess they don’t consdider Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty to be very important icons to ournation. Oh, wait, those are icons to our immigrant past and we don’t like immigrants anymore.

By the way, why are you even looking at the trailer for Stone’s movie? You have such a visceral dislike for the man (who I think has done one or two exceptional films). Stone himself could have called you personally to get your opinion and you would still hate it. Like any film about September 11, people will either like it or hate it — there will be no middle ground. Personally, I still think it’ s too soon to make films about this subject, but that hasn’t stopped bad mini-series on cable or good films like United 93 from being made. Oh, well, freedom means they get to make these films and we get to decide whether or not to see them.

]]> By: Old Grouch http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61167 Old Grouch Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:09:40 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61167 <blockquote>"Feds slash our funds to boost hicks in sticks."</blockquote> Repeat after me: It's not about security, it's about pork. It's ALWAYS about pork. (Speaking as one resident of the "sticks" whose first thought was to wonder whythehel my municipality was getting more WOT funds. They'll probably use 'em for more speed traps-- see "It's not about safety, it's about revenue.")

“Feds slash our funds to boost hicks in sticks.”

Repeat after me: It’s not about security, it’s about pork. It’s ALWAYS about pork.

(Speaking as one resident of the “sticks” whose first thought was to wonder whythehel my municipality was getting more WOT funds. They’ll probably use ‘em for more speed traps– see “It’s not about safety, it’s about revenue.”)

]]> By: Undertoad http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61158 Undertoad Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:46:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/06/01/in-the-hole/#comment-61158 It's all too simple, isn't it? The American voter has a shorter memory than the average Islamist. The first WTC attack was in 93 but a WTC not being attacked was "normal" a few weeks later, while to Islamists the attack was ongoing and not finished. An NYC not being attacked is the new "normal" today. The Stone movie will surely be set in today's "normal". F Stone, I don't trust the bastard. It’s all too simple, isn’t it? The American voter has a shorter memory than the average Islamist.

The first WTC attack was in 93 but a WTC not being attacked was “normal” a few weeks later, while to Islamists the attack was ongoing and not finished. An NYC not being attacked is the new “normal” today.

The Stone movie will surely be set in today’s “normal”. F Stone, I don’t trust the bastard.

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