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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: WikiLeaks Vs. The Mainstream Media: What Counts as Journalism? &#171; Media and Tech</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-435780</link>
		<dc:creator>WikiLeaks Vs. The Mainstream Media: What Counts as Journalism? &#171; Media and Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] piece, I was sorely disappointed in Columbia J-school Dean Nick Lemann’s continued insistence — since 2006 — in trying to fan the flames of a blogger v. journalist war that never broke out: “People [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Do we hold the state to be legitimate? &#171; BuzzMachine</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-435101</link>
		<dc:creator>Do we hold the state to be legitimate? &#171; BuzzMachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was sorely disappointed in Columbia J-school Dean Nick Lemann&#8217;s continued insistence &#8212; since 2006 &#8212; in trying to fan the flames of a blogger v. journalist war that never broke out: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was sorely disappointed in Columbia J-school Dean Nick Lemann&#8217;s continued insistence &#8212; since 2006 &#8212; in trying to fan the flames of a blogger v. journalist war that never broke out: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Popular on Twitter: Shirky on syndication, blogger-vs-journalist part 9,032, News Corp. gets in the ed-tech game » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-434969</link>
		<dc:creator>Popular on Twitter: Shirky on syndication, blogger-vs-journalist part 9,032, News Corp. gets in the ed-tech game » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis: Lemann has been making the same argument since 2006 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-404269</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journalists .....
is a profession to be proud of, with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kozky.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;education&lt;/a&gt;, dedication, toughness in the search for news, about the war, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frenstor.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;business&lt;/a&gt;, entertainments, technology, &lt;a href=&quot;http://animalsites.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;animal lovers&lt;/a&gt;.
In the Internet era, we are introduced to the blog. With the blog we can express ourselves without being limiting, can become &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.clarkspizza.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;entrepreneurs&lt;/a&gt;, businessmen, etc.. So if there is the question of whether bloggers can replace journalists? then I say NO, because the motivation is different between bloggers and journalists.
Journalists and Blogger, is the two professions go hand in hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalists &#8230;..<br />
is a profession to be proud of, with <a href="http://www.kozky.com" rel="nofollow">education</a>, dedication, toughness in the search for news, about the war, <a href="http://www.frenstor.com" rel="nofollow">business</a>, entertainments, technology, <a href="http://animalsites.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">animal lovers</a>.<br />
In the Internet era, we are introduced to the blog. With the blog we can express ourselves without being limiting, can become <a href="http://www.clarkspizza.com" rel="nofollow">entrepreneurs</a>, businessmen, etc.. So if there is the question of whether bloggers can replace journalists? then I say NO, because the motivation is different between bloggers and journalists.<br />
Journalists and Blogger, is the two professions go hand in hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-404268</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journalists .....
is a profession to be proud of, with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kozky.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;education&lt;/a&gt;, dedication, toughness in the search for news, about the war, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frenstor.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;business&lt;/a&gt;, entertainments, technology, &lt;a href=&quot;http://animalsites.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;animal lovers&lt;/a.
In the Internet era, we are introduced to the blog. With the blog we can express ourselves without being limiting, can become &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.clarkspizza.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;entrepreneurs&lt;/a&gt;, businessmen, etc.. So if there is the question of whether bloggers can replace journalists? then I say NO, because the motivation is different between bloggers and journalists.
Journalists and Blogger, is the two professions go hand in hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalists &#8230;..<br />
is a profession to be proud of, with <a href="http://www.kozky.com" rel="nofollow">education</a>, dedication, toughness in the search for news, about the war, <a href="http://www.frenstor.com" rel="nofollow">business</a>, entertainments, technology, <a href="http://animalsites.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">animal lovers&lt;/a.<br />
In the Internet era, we are introduced to the blog. With the blog we can express ourselves without being limiting, can become </a><a href="http://www.clarkspizza.com" rel="nofollow">entrepreneurs</a>, businessmen, etc.. So if there is the question of whether bloggers can replace journalists? then I say NO, because the motivation is different between bloggers and journalists.<br />
Journalists and Blogger, is the two professions go hand in hand.</p>
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		<title>By: kiz giydirme</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-378614</link>
		<dc:creator>kiz giydirme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;His next strawman is that some blogging is not journalism or is bad journalism and thus all blogging is not journalism because it is not performed by journalists.&quot; he point out an important issue but I believe that this is wrong. Most important think is to think like a journalist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;His next strawman is that some blogging is not journalism or is bad journalism and thus all blogging is not journalism because it is not performed by journalists.&#8221; he point out an important issue but I believe that this is wrong. Most important think is to think like a journalist</p>
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		<title>By: Newspapers: The BETA of the 21st Century? &#171; The Shuka Report</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-359706</link>
		<dc:creator>Newspapers: The BETA of the 21st Century? &#171; The Shuka Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] editor and CUNYÂ  Journalism School professor Jeff Jarvis began a bloggosphere exchange with Columbia School of Journalism Dean Nicholas Lemann. The exchanges were sparked with the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Even Better Than The Real Thing &#171; MSeech&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-359363</link>
		<dc:creator>Even Better Than The Real Thing &#171; MSeech&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lemann&#8217;sÂ response to Jeff Jarvis&#8217;Â  challengeÂ (see the very end)Â shows aÂ disconnect between what is and what should be in regards to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lemann&#8217;sÂ response to Jeff Jarvis&#8217;Â  challengeÂ (see the very end)Â shows aÂ disconnect between what is and what should be in regards to the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: First Week&#8217;s Interactive Readings . . . &#171; News From J-School</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-359354</link>
		<dc:creator>First Week&#8217;s Interactive Readings . . . &#171; News From J-School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] don&#8217;t need professional licensing to be in the field, as Lemann points out in his response to Jarvis&#8217; response to Lemann&#8217;s New Yorker article, but that doesn&#8217;t give everyone the right to consider [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] don&#8217;t need professional licensing to be in the field, as Lemann points out in his response to Jarvis&#8217; response to Lemann&#8217;s New Yorker article, but that doesn&#8217;t give everyone the right to consider [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PR, WOMMA, and scarecrows &#187;</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-199409</link>
		<dc:creator>PR, WOMMA, and scarecrows &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Anyway, the publics are certainly entitled to their opinions, and it concerns me not if individual citizens have a negative opinion about WOMMA. But it is annoying to have &#8220;experts&#8221; rail so foolishly against WOMMA and PR, building up PR strawman monopoly (ironic, considering his campaign against journalist&#8217;sÂ  strawmen in stories about blogging). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Anyway, the publics are certainly entitled to their opinions, and it concerns me not if individual citizens have a negative opinion about WOMMA. But it is annoying to have &#8220;experts&#8221; rail so foolishly against WOMMA and PR, building up PR strawman monopoly (ironic, considering his campaign against journalist&#8217;sÂ  strawmen in stories about blogging). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Abraham Fuchs</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-170950</link>
		<dc:creator>Abraham Fuchs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>President George W. Bush:
 
Please stop the sissy war you are waging!
 
Cordon off the suspected areas of insurgency and QUARANTINE that population!
 
Keep them under quarantine until you have vetted who is not the enemy!
 
There are good citizens there and bad guys. Why can&#039;t you separate them???
 
If Franklin Roosevelt could do it with Japanese Americans you can do it with the Iraqis!
 
Stop sending our boys out there to be cannon fodder!
 
Would General Patton be as impotent as your military under your leadership, seems to be?
 
President Bush fight a real war in Iraq or get out and let them fight it out the way we did in our Civil War!
 
If the bad guys win the civil war then we can come in THEN and bomb the hell out of them!
 
The bad guys are winning now as it is! Don&#039;t you see that??? You&#039;re presiding over a DUCK SHOOT!
 
Last but not least. Get rid of that arrogant fool - Rumsfeld!
 
                                                                                                   Concerned citizen,
 
                                                                                                   Abraham Fuchs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President George W. Bush:</p>
<p>Please stop the sissy war you are waging!</p>
<p>Cordon off the suspected areas of insurgency and QUARANTINE that population!</p>
<p>Keep them under quarantine until you have vetted who is not the enemy!</p>
<p>There are good citizens there and bad guys. Why can&#8217;t you separate them???</p>
<p>If Franklin Roosevelt could do it with Japanese Americans you can do it with the Iraqis!</p>
<p>Stop sending our boys out there to be cannon fodder!</p>
<p>Would General Patton be as impotent as your military under your leadership, seems to be?</p>
<p>President Bush fight a real war in Iraq or get out and let them fight it out the way we did in our Civil War!</p>
<p>If the bad guys win the civil war then we can come in THEN and bomb the hell out of them!</p>
<p>The bad guys are winning now as it is! Don&#8217;t you see that??? You&#8217;re presiding over a DUCK SHOOT!</p>
<p>Last but not least. Get rid of that arrogant fool &#8211; Rumsfeld!</p>
<p>                                                                                                   Concerned citizen,</p>
<p>                                                                                                   Abraham Fuchs</p>
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		<title>By: NewsOverCoffee</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-126166</link>
		<dc:creator>NewsOverCoffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 04:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for allowing comments since the New Yorker article did not.

At the end of the day the economics of the &quot;professional&quot; media will not allow publications to provide coverage on the most local of levels, particularly in non-metropolitan areas.

Where the business of the professional media results in gaps in coverage it seems to me that the simple sharing of information from one community member to another via the internet, be it a publishing mechanism such as a blog, wiki or otherwise, is preferable to nothing.

As media organizations attempt to appeal to a larger and larger audience to boost declining revenue, they will open the door further for small, independent organizations, not to mention individuals, who will serve all the noble purposes Lemann holds dear, with or without, the $100,000 or so education he can provide.

It is not about competition.  It is about sharing information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for allowing comments since the New Yorker article did not.</p>
<p>At the end of the day the economics of the &#8220;professional&#8221; media will not allow publications to provide coverage on the most local of levels, particularly in non-metropolitan areas.</p>
<p>Where the business of the professional media results in gaps in coverage it seems to me that the simple sharing of information from one community member to another via the internet, be it a publishing mechanism such as a blog, wiki or otherwise, is preferable to nothing.</p>
<p>As media organizations attempt to appeal to a larger and larger audience to boost declining revenue, they will open the door further for small, independent organizations, not to mention individuals, who will serve all the noble purposes Lemann holds dear, with or without, the $100,000 or so education he can provide.</p>
<p>It is not about competition.  It is about sharing information.</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is writing the highest form of speech?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-114398</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is writing the highest form of speech?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In the first, blogger Tom Matrullo quotes Socrates. His context, coincidentally, is the silence of Columbia J-school&#8217;s Nick Lemann in the conversation he caused. Matrullo blogged: As the flood of responses and comments to Nicholas Lemann&#8217;s &#8220;On the Internet, everybody is a millenarian&#8221; article in the New Yorker continues to flow, bend, ripple and eddy, one can&#8217;t help but notice how Lemann&#8217;s piece simply stands there, mute, defunct. Sans capacity to comment, respond, defend, link. It&#8217;s Plato&#8217;s old distinction in the Phaedrus: blogs are the speaking voice, alive and self-present. Lemann&#8217;s article belongs to the world of print, of writing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In the first, blogger Tom Matrullo quotes Socrates. His context, coincidentally, is the silence of Columbia J-school&#8217;s Nick Lemann in the conversation he caused. Matrullo blogged: As the flood of responses and comments to Nicholas Lemann&#8217;s &#8220;On the Internet, everybody is a millenarian&#8221; article in the New Yorker continues to flow, bend, ripple and eddy, one can&#8217;t help but notice how Lemann&#8217;s piece simply stands there, mute, defunct. Sans capacity to comment, respond, defend, link. It&#8217;s Plato&#8217;s old distinction in the Phaedrus: blogs are the speaking voice, alive and self-present. Lemann&#8217;s article belongs to the world of print, of writing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: newsmanbook.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Fuss over Citizen Journalism</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-111709</link>
		<dc:creator>newsmanbook.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Fuss over Citizen Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Â  You can get the details by going to this link for the New Yorker and this one for a blogger, Jeff Jarvis, who is known for defending citizen journalists. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Â  You can get the details by going to this link for the New Yorker and this one for a blogger, Jeff Jarvis, who is known for defending citizen journalists. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dick McMichael</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-111701</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick McMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether or not bloggers are citizen journalists or not, or whether they will replace mainstream Journalists, bloggers can feel good about their role in keeping mainstream media honest.  Ignoring a story by the Journalists does not mean it won&#039;t be known anymore. When the public realizes that the Journalists didn&#039;t report something of significance, Big J&#039;s credibility armor gets another chink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not bloggers are citizen journalists or not, or whether they will replace mainstream Journalists, bloggers can feel good about their role in keeping mainstream media honest.  Ignoring a story by the Journalists does not mean it won&#8217;t be known anymore. When the public realizes that the Journalists didn&#8217;t report something of significance, Big J&#8217;s credibility armor gets another chink.</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; He speaks: Lemann responds</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-111245</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; He speaks: Lemann responds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] He also complains that I donâ€™t quote from his New Yorker essay in my post. True. Thatâ€™s why I linked to it; that is our ethic of the link. And besides, Iâ€™d quoted from it plenty here. So I will link again to his Comment is Free post and I look forward to the continuing conversation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] He also complains that I donâ€™t quote from his New Yorker essay in my post. True. Thatâ€™s why I linked to it; that is our ethic of the link. And besides, Iâ€™d quoted from it plenty here. So I will link again to his Comment is Free post and I look forward to the continuing conversation. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; As J-schools go&#8230; does anyone else?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-108565</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; As J-schools go&#8230; does anyone else?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Columbia&#8217;s J-school seems to be establishing itself as the classicist, the sanctuary whose ivied castle walls guard journalism as journalism has been done. I suspect that&#8217;s an unfair summary but here&#8217;s the evidence: We see its dean, Nick Lemann, issuing his papal bull in The New Yorker setting up a separation between professional and amateur and protecting the professional. Next we see Lemann favoring print over online with his decision this week to cut CJRDaily.org and to invest instead in a direct-mail campaign to try to sell subscriptions to the print Columbia Journalism Review. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Columbia&#8217;s J-school seems to be establishing itself as the classicist, the sanctuary whose ivied castle walls guard journalism as journalism has been done. I suspect that&#8217;s an unfair summary but here&#8217;s the evidence: We see its dean, Nick Lemann, issuing his papal bull in The New Yorker setting up a separation between professional and amateur and protecting the professional. Next we see Lemann favoring print over online with his decision this week to cut CJRDaily.org and to invest instead in a direct-mail campaign to try to sell subscriptions to the print Columbia Journalism Review. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Networked journalism: Feeding the Times</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-106882</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Networked journalism: Feeding the Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s not about them v. us, as Nick Lemann would have it. It&#8217;s about them and us. The more we work together, the more informed society will be. It is a good thing for journalism that there are now more people than ever doing journalism and these are just two small illustrations of that. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s not about them v. us, as Nick Lemann would have it. It&#8217;s about them and us. The more we work together, the more informed society will be. It is a good thing for journalism that there are now more people than ever doing journalism and these are just two small illustrations of that. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TL</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-106686</link>
		<dc:creator>TL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 04:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it disturbing that Nick and many others believe that Web journalism equals text--and maybe the occasional static photograph or graphic. That indicates a rather astounding lack of understanding about the Web&#039;s--and the Internet&#039;s--capabilities. For example, in this brave new world, a searchable database or spread sheet can be part of a &quot;news&quot; story. And journalists of all stripes have such tools at their disposal to expand, illuminate, and flesh out a story.  Stranger still, a lot of people--Nick included--don&#039;t have much of anything to say about hyperlinks and what do for readers who&#039;d like to learn more about a topic, issue or event discussed in a trad news piece. Are &quot;sources&quot; really suppose to be that closely held? 

Talk about not getting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it disturbing that Nick and many others believe that Web journalism equals text&#8211;and maybe the occasional static photograph or graphic. That indicates a rather astounding lack of understanding about the Web&#8217;s&#8211;and the Internet&#8217;s&#8211;capabilities. For example, in this brave new world, a searchable database or spread sheet can be part of a &#8220;news&#8221; story. And journalists of all stripes have such tools at their disposal to expand, illuminate, and flesh out a story.  Stranger still, a lot of people&#8211;Nick included&#8211;don&#8217;t have much of anything to say about hyperlinks and what do for readers who&#8217;d like to learn more about a topic, issue or event discussed in a trad news piece. Are &#8220;sources&#8221; really suppose to be that closely held? </p>
<p>Talk about not getting it.</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Photoshopping</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-106194</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Photoshopping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Glenn Reynolds conflates Nick Lemann&#8217;s papal bull with the Reuters photo scandal. Heh. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Glenn Reynolds conflates Nick Lemann&#8217;s papal bull with the Reuters photo scandal. Heh. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wordblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Among the dinosaurs and evolvers of journalism</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-105031</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Among the dinosaurs and evolvers of journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After that Jarvis had mounted an attack on Lemann: Iâ€™m sorely disappointed in Columbia Journalism School Dean Nicholas Lemannâ€™s piece in The New Yorker about â€œjournalism without journalists.â€I would have hoped for something more expansive, imaginative, open, creative, generous, constructive, strategic, and hopeful from the head of one of Americaâ€™s leading journalism schools â€” from, indeed, the man hired to bring that school into the future â€” and from a leading light of American reporting. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After that Jarvis had mounted an attack on Lemann: Iâ€™m sorely disappointed in Columbia Journalism School Dean Nicholas Lemannâ€™s piece in The New Yorker about â€œjournalism without journalists.â€I would have hoped for something more expansive, imaginative, open, creative, generous, constructive, strategic, and hopeful from the head of one of Americaâ€™s leading journalism schools â€” from, indeed, the man hired to bring that school into the future â€” and from a leading light of American reporting. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RHMF</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-103459</link>
		<dc:creator>RHMF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloggers vs. Journalists?  Sure, whatever...what&#039;s needed is an arena where all people who care about a free press can come and fight for a new one.    You can listen to a lot of &quot;ivory tower&quot; navel gazing about what&#039;s wrong with the media, or you can do something about it.   It&#039;s time to fight for a new free press, it&#039;s time for NewsFight.

Join the fight.

www.newsfight.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloggers vs. Journalists?  Sure, whatever&#8230;what&#8217;s needed is an arena where all people who care about a free press can come and fight for a new one.    You can listen to a lot of &#8220;ivory tower&#8221; navel gazing about what&#8217;s wrong with the media, or you can do something about it.   It&#8217;s time to fight for a new free press, it&#8217;s time for NewsFight.</p>
<p>Join the fight.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsfight.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsfight.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lemann redux</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-103278</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lemann redux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rebecca MacKinnon writes her sharp response to Columbia J-school&#8217;s Nicholas Lemann&#8217;s papal bull, arguing that this seems to be a continuation of the dean&#8217;s in-print debate with Hugh Hewitt over journalistic objectivity. Refusing to be transparent about his own views, Rebecca says,&#8230; &#8230; leaves him and much of the journalistic profession open to all kinds of accusations of hidden political bias and dishonesty. Which in turn leads to a call from the more angry corners of the blogosphere for a reformation. This loss of public faith in American journalism&#8217;s claim to objectivity - and the question of what should be done about it - is the real story in my view. If people don&#8217;t trust you, it doesn&#8217;t matter how impeccable your reporting is, does it? That&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening today - the good work of many excellent journalists is being unfairly dismissed as biased by many Americans because of this loss of trust. What should journalism as a profession do about it? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rebecca MacKinnon writes her sharp response to Columbia J-school&#8217;s Nicholas Lemann&#8217;s papal bull, arguing that this seems to be a continuation of the dean&#8217;s in-print debate with Hugh Hewitt over journalistic objectivity. Refusing to be transparent about his own views, Rebecca says,&#8230; &#8230; leaves him and much of the journalistic profession open to all kinds of accusations of hidden political bias and dishonesty. Which in turn leads to a call from the more angry corners of the blogosphere for a reformation. This loss of public faith in American journalism&#8217;s claim to objectivity &#8211; and the question of what should be done about it &#8211; is the real story in my view. If people don&#8217;t trust you, it doesn&#8217;t matter how impeccable your reporting is, does it? That&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening today &#8211; the good work of many excellent journalists is being unfairly dismissed as biased by many Americans because of this loss of trust. What should journalism as a profession do about it? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Mulley &#187; Blog Archive &#187; We can agenda it for you wholesale</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-101871</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Mulley &#187; Blog Archive &#187; We can agenda it for you wholesale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The tiresome discourse of old/current media telling bloggers they are not going to replace them is back again and again it&#8217;s been excellently taken to task by Jeff Jarvis. Steven Johnson also made some more succint points. It&#8217;s a bit like &#8220;certain people in Ireland are saying blah blah and I&#8217;m here to say this is not true.&#8221; Certain people where? These sky is falling media types keep saying that all us bloggers want to storm their castle and take their thrones. Keep em. We&#8217;re not interested in Kingdoms, or rather most of us aren&#8217;t. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The tiresome discourse of old/current media telling bloggers they are not going to replace them is back again and again it&#8217;s been excellently taken to task by Jeff Jarvis. Steven Johnson also made some more succint points. It&#8217;s a bit like &#8220;certain people in Ireland are saying blah blah and I&#8217;m here to say this is not true.&#8221; Certain people where? These sky is falling media types keep saying that all us bloggers want to storm their castle and take their thrones. Keep em. We&#8217;re not interested in Kingdoms, or rather most of us aren&#8217;t. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lk9: labkloud9 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New Yorker vs the blogosphere</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/07/31/talk-of-the-town/#comment-101289</link>
		<dc:creator>lk9: labkloud9 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New Yorker vs the blogosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Have to say that I fully support Jeff Jarvis&#8217; discussion on the matter, I understand that people like Mr. Lemann enjoy being part of the legend and myth that surrounds a magazine such as the New Yorker and that it is a heavy burden to carry when writing a piece for them. However, the debate about journalists vs. bloggers leads me into the discussion in the Talkcrunch episode with Digg, where Michael Arrington discusses the interesting matters of newspapers, blogs, and sites such as Digg. And how the blogosphere provides journalists (primarily, the good ones) new possibilities to write and to earn more money than they&#8217;ve done as journalists, I guess Arrington himself might be an example of this. With publishing platforms such as Digg and Reddit, journalists and writers with an already existing audience as a platform have really no excuses not to start a blog. The power of self publishing, both in financial and content terms, is something that is incredibly attractive for everyone who writes for a living. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Have to say that I fully support Jeff Jarvis&#8217; discussion on the matter, I understand that people like Mr. Lemann enjoy being part of the legend and myth that surrounds a magazine such as the New Yorker and that it is a heavy burden to carry when writing a piece for them. However, the debate about journalists vs. bloggers leads me into the discussion in the Talkcrunch episode with Digg, where Michael Arrington discusses the interesting matters of newspapers, blogs, and sites such as Digg. And how the blogosphere provides journalists (primarily, the good ones) new possibilities to write and to earn more money than they&#8217;ve done as journalists, I guess Arrington himself might be an example of this. With publishing platforms such as Digg and Reddit, journalists and writers with an already existing audience as a platform have really no excuses not to start a blog. The power of self publishing, both in financial and content terms, is something that is incredibly attractive for everyone who writes for a living. [...]</p>
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