Yesterday (26 Aug): A grenade attack on a Serb cafe in the ethnically divided Kosovo town of Mitrovica has injured nine people including a British UN policeman. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5290022.stm

We are keeping the WOT moral and proportional by fighting terrorist in the ME, yet inciting and protecting them in the Balkans. This keeps our policy balanced.

More from the Beep:

“All Serbs, including me, live in constant fear. The UN brings us here on special buses. If Kosovo becomes independent, I’ll pack my things and leave and try to get asylum elsewhere. There’d be no life for me here. I’d look for democracy in Europe.”

Oliver Ivanovic, 52, is a leading Serb politician, a member of the Kosovo parliament and regarded as a moderate.

“We have been living in this hotspot since 1999, all the time living under some tension, all the time attacked by Albanians in the south and all the time coming under pressure from the international community.

“Sometimes we are under the impression internationals are not happy that we stay here. We are the troublemakers. And this does not help our relations with them,” he says.

Back in Mitrovica, it is no secret that both communities are well-armed and ready for a worst-case scenario.

“I will do whatever is in my capacity, physically and intellectually, to defend our right to live in peace and dignity and to live freely in our state. I, like most Serbs, will not accept being moved from one state to another,” says Milan Ivanovic, one of north Mitrovica’s most popular politicians.

K-For recently reopened its base north of Mitrovica and close to the border with Serbia proper. [Kosovo is in Serbia proper, but to acknowledge that would be to undermine our pro-KLA-terrorist propaganda.] Extra UN police have been deployed in the region. All in case it all goes wrong.

The people of north Mitrovica are waiting for something to happen. And whatever is going to happen, they believe, is not going to be good.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5235868.stm

Did you reread your own in response to mine? Therein lies the problem.

Based on a few other posts you’ve written, I’d say we’ll probably *eventually* end up on the same page. Kat knows best.

Thanks in advance.

Eileen,

I’ve read through your comments once again, and I don’t think I’ve misrepresented any of your words.

Tom

Well….no need to set me up with anyone at all…. But if he’s apostate, I’m sure he’d be happy to meet me, too.

Have a great evening, Infidels!

And where’s Penny? That sweet Irish lass. And Dr. Mathews? Robert Feinman? They’re missing this.

Great suggestion!

How about cutting and pasting the evidence of one ‘repeated misrepresentation’ along with your original post to get me started.

If you stick around for any length of time here, you’ll know why I added that ‘wink’ following my own reply.

In a few situations I see you probably misunderstood…

As they say, whatevah. This blog’s not about you and me.

Of course!

Yours sincerely,

Stuck on Stupid
Stuck on Serbia
and any other name you have for me

Consider:

According to the Jerusalem Post, Jews in the Muslim part of Bosnia are already under the rule of the Dhimma by being legally barred from purchasing an apartment if Muslim neighbors vote not to allow an infidel in their midst.

“Holders of tenant’s tenure for apartments whose formal owners are wakfs [religious endowment] can not buy up those apartments without previous written approval of the apartment’s owner,” the law states, using the Arabic word and not the native Serbo-Croatian to denote a Muslim nontransferable ownership.

And:

The Annual Report by the Helsinki Committee for Human Rights in 2004 ridiculed the then director of the Serbia Military-Security Agency, Colonel Momir Stojanovic for stating that “according to intelligence gathered by domestic intelligence services and contacts with security agencies of other countries, in the forthcoming period we may expect a considerable advent of militant Islam and Islamic terrorism in the Western Balkans.”

Perhaps the meeting with Serbian President Boris Tadic with the Romanian counterpart Traian Basescu, one day before Basescu met with George Bush, can convince the embedded Clintonites in Washington, that Serbia is an indispensable friend of the West on matters of Islamic terror, and that independence of Kosovo, opposed by Romania, is an aid to al-Zawahiri and the rest of the Jihadists that masquerade under different names like Hezbullah or the Kosovo Protection Corps.
http://serbianna.com/blogs/bozinovich/

Dr. Vojin Joksimovich was born, raised and educated in Belgrade, Former Yugoslavia. At the age of eight, eyewitness and sole survivor of Nazi bombing which instantly killed seven family members. Ph.D. in Nuclear Engineering from the Imperial College, London University. Nuclear power plant safety specialist. Originated over 125 professional publications presented at various international conferences. Published over 50 newspaper columns and delivered over 40 talks on Balkan conflicts. Author of Kosovo Crisis: A Study in Foreign Policy Mismanagement and The Revenge of the Prophet: How Clinton and Predecessors Empowered Radical Islam.

Although I don’t agree with Kat on many points she is generally consistent in her analysis and logic. I think the same might be said of Penny’s and Ravo’s participation, but not Eileen’s. (Btw, Kat and Eileen didn’t ignore my original point.)

Eileen probably is lovely in person, but I only know her through the pixels she deposits here.

Jonathan continues: Your points regarding that conflict have largely been ignored by all. The fact that your points have been ignored is not a good thing, because they should be considered BUT this thread was about the Middle East.

Yes, the points have been largely ignored, but is this thread about the Middle East or “Moral Proportionalism”? The title suggests the topic is moral proportionalism.

If it is about the ME, then my comments are irrelevant, but if the topic is moral proportionalism the remarks are relevant. Although I acknowledge that most folks won’t bother to read what I post (and that’s ok), it would behove those who comment on, or censor, my remarks to read them first. (Jeff I don’t think your movie metaphor holds up.)

Jeff’s/Rutten’s original comment cites the fake photo controversy as evidence. There are/were a number of alledged fake photo’s and related propaganda used to manipulated public support for our bombing of Serbia. I guess sometimes doctoring photographs is a dark art, and at other times its OK.

Is the following relevant?

President Clinton used fabricated, staged massacres as casus belli both to bomb the Bosnian Serb positions in 1995 and all-out bombings of the Serbian infrastructure and civilians in 1999. Staged massacres and then blaming the Serbs for them were a pattern of Bosnian Muslim war strategy. Combined with highly cooperative partisan media, these staged massacres served as pretense to bomb the Bosnian Serb positions. Similarly in Kosovo, the KLA staged the Racak massacre, which was aided and abetted by the American man on the ground as the chief of OSCE observers, ambassador Walker. The Racak massacre was litigated during the trial of Slobodan Milosevic at the ICTY. Milosevic was obviously successful in his defense as illustrated with the fact that the British judge dropped the Racak massacre from the indictment of Milosevic’s successor, Milan Milutinovic, former deputy prime minister, two former army chiefs of staff and two generals. The six accused represent almost all of Serbia’s political and military top leadership in 1999. The judge stated that it “would be too difficult to prove exactly where the responsibility lies.” (link provided at the end of this comment.)

Jonathan’s final point: Also, I remember lotsa and lotsa of dead Croatians and Muslims at the hand of Milosevic as well.

I’m not a Milosevich supporter, but the evidence of Serb atrocities is not undisputed (and some definitely was fabricated).

Moreover, the 78 days of bombing Serbia didn’t weaken his grip. Even folks who hated him (e.g. my wife’s family) did not welcome our air strikes. There may be a lesson in there for those who support Israel’s air campaign.

I would love to see an end to terrorism, but without our resorting to the questionable methods of terror ourselves.

The terrorist organizations like Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, KLA and others have obviously no respect for innocent human life and that is why they are characterized as terrorists. However, both Israel and the U.S.- led NATO have also exhibited a disregard for innocent human life and civilian infrastructure despite intensive PR campaigns to prove to the contrary and using the collateral damage terminology, the term I resent from the bottom of my heart. In the military lingo these are called strategic bombing campaigns aimed to flatten key economic resources and are usually designed to bend the targeted government to the will of the attacker or turn the populace against the government. The U.S.-led NATO air campaign had an objective not only to punish Milosevic but also to teach the Serbian people a lesson. Likewise Israel is teaching Lebanese people a lesson.

In the U.S. the terrorists are viewed to be Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc., but not the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), Chechens or Pakistani Lashkar–e-Taiba who recently killed 207 Indians and wounded more than 800. Those killing innocent Serbs, Russians or Indians are not classified as terrorists. Only those killing Americans, Brits and Jews are.
http://serbianna.com/blogs/joksimovich/

(If you click the link, know that I do not agree with all of Dr. Joksimovich’s statements, but do think they are relevant to any discussion of the WOT.)

Tom -

First of all, I have to say that I find Eileen’s often approach to be often offensive. Personal attacks. If you disagree with on the nature of Islam, or on the Israeli/Hezbollah conflict, or other things here, you get a personal insult.

For all I know she may be great in person. Probably has a sweet side. Kat and Penny too. Warm fuzzy types. Believe it or not, I’m serious when I say that.

But why have you chosen to go after soley Eileen regarding Serbia and the KLA? Your points regarding that conflict have largely been ignored by all.

The fact that your points have been ignored is not a good thing, because they should be considered BUT this thread was about the Middle East.

Also, I remember lotsa and lotsa of dead Croatians and Muslims at the hand of Milosevic as well. No society has a monopoly on terror.

Good night.

Your vocab is impressive Eileen. You must attend church every Sunday.

Why not copy the misrepresentations to a comment post (with a link) plus a link to your post that establishes that I have indeed misrepresented your words?

I know, you are too busy to back your claims up with evidence.

I see you are pleading the Nuremberg defence Col. Klink.

In two words, “Tom”, fuck off.

It should read, ‘not advancing’.