Comments on: The river of news http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:40:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: R. Combi-Dual Boilers http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-421930 R. Combi-Dual Boilers Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:55:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-421930 Love the analogy with the "river" of news. Constant flow of information could very well be described as a river and your lucky to have a guy like Dave on your team! Love the analogy with the “river” of news. Constant flow of information could very well be described as a river and your lucky to have a guy like Dave on your team!

]]> By: modadmin » Archive » Anonymity And Identity In News Media: What? Why? Who? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-410634 modadmin » Archive » Anonymity And Identity In News Media: What? Why? Who? Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:20:24 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-410634 [...] are here and now in the river of news, not in a “journalists-write/readers-comment” universe [...] [...] are here and now in the river of news, not in a “journalists-write/readers-comment” universe [...]

]]> By: kurye http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-400604 kurye Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:25:35 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-400604 very nice great post :) very nice great post :)

]]> By: 5 trends in 5 years: Reinventing our news system « NewsFuturist http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-396977 5 trends in 5 years: Reinventing our news system « NewsFuturist Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:27:55 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-396977 [...] that news organizations become flexible content feeders. Create APIs and embrace the “river of news” model of flowing, unstructured information. Provide machine-readable data, not just [...] [...] that news organizations become flexible content feeders. Create APIs and embrace the “river of news” model of flowing, unstructured information. Provide machine-readable data, not just [...]

]]> By: Userism » Blog Archive » links for 2006-08-30 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-194648 Userism » Blog Archive » links for 2006-08-30 Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:34:56 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-194648 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » The river of news creating slimmed down version of news sites for use on a mobile. (tags: mobile rss winer blackberry riverofnews) [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » The river of news creating slimmed down version of news sites for use on a mobile. (tags: mobile rss winer blackberry riverofnews) [...]

]]> By: Chronicles of a Wandering Mind » Google Reader, Netvibes, and usability http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-155880 Chronicles of a Wandering Mind » Google Reader, Netvibes, and usability Sat, 07 Oct 2006 01:25:26 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-155880 [...] When the new version of the Google Reader came up, I was not eager to try, then I saw other posts and comments and am interested in the “river of news ” approach, so I’ve decided to try it again. This time around, experience was much better. I did like the river of news pattern, so I’ve exported my opml from Netvibes and imported into Google Reader, and I was good to go. [...] [...] When the new version of the Google Reader came up, I was not eager to try, then I saw other posts and comments and am interested in the “river of news ” approach, so I’ve decided to try it again. This time around, experience was much better. I did like the river of news pattern, so I’ve exported my opml from Netvibes and imported into Google Reader, and I was good to go. [...]

]]> By: Dave Winer http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-126451 Dave Winer Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:54:15 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-126451 Steven, maybe <i>you</i> didn't do your homework! :-) Those are not rivers, they are nice mobile news sites, but that's not what a river is. There's a great Guardian article out today that explains. http://tinyurl.com/py57l Have a read, maybe there's something new for you to enjoy! Dave Steven, maybe you didn’t do your homework! :-)

Those are not rivers, they are nice mobile news sites, but that’s not what a river is.

There’s a great Guardian article out today that explains.

http://tinyurl.com/py57l

Have a read, maybe there’s something new for you to enjoy!

Dave

]]> By: POPwink » Blog Archive » A River runs through it http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-124287 POPwink » Blog Archive » A River runs through it Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:36:21 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-124287 [...] 1. Does the River of News concept apply to you? Or will it be at some point in your future? The concept has been talked about for a whlie now, but it is now heating up so…. [...] [...] 1. Does the River of News concept apply to you? Or will it be at some point in your future? The concept has been talked about for a whlie now, but it is now heating up so…. [...]

]]> By: Web 2.0 Newspapers » Print Losing The Fight To Adapt? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-119912 Web 2.0 Newspapers » Print Losing The Fight To Adapt? Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:03:26 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-119912 [...] But bloggers are abuzz about Dave Winer's NYT "rivers" of news content on mobile phones/PDAs –  this means, as Jarvis put it, "headlines stripped of the packaging around them to give him a constant flow of what’s new." Winer links to Ewan Macleod's rundown of why it's good for mobile news consumers, and to Doc Searls' pic of what it looks like.  [...] [...] But bloggers are abuzz about Dave Winer's NYT "rivers" of news content on mobile phones/PDAs –  this means, as Jarvis put it, "headlines stripped of the packaging around them to give him a constant flow of what’s new." Winer links to Ewan Macleod's rundown of why it's good for mobile news consumers, and to Doc Searls' pic of what it looks like.  [...]

]]> By: Steven Jones http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-119595 Steven Jones Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:01:58 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-119595 oops: Skweezer is at http://www.skweezer.net/ http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/2006/08/reinventing-the-mobile-web-with-dave-winer Some due diligence would be welcome, Jeff. Or even a little research. oops:

Skweezer is at http://www.skweezer.net/

http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/2006/08/reinventing-the-mobile-web-with-dave-winer

Some due diligence would be welcome, Jeff. Or even a little research.

]]> By: Steven Jones http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-119591 Steven Jones Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:56:03 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-119591 Dave Winer doesn't get it: we've been doing this for years. Read some phone blogs and find out. The BBC has had its own "River" here since 1997 http://news.bbc.co.uk/text_only.stm Didn't Dave check, first? See Google and Squeezer - rivers of news indeed. http://www.google.com/reader/m/ http://squeezer.net/ Anything else? Dave Winer doesn’t get it: we’ve been doing this for years.

Read some phone blogs and find out.

The BBC has had its own “River” here since 1997
http://news.bbc.co.uk/text_only.stm

Didn’t Dave check, first?

See Google and Squeezer – rivers of news indeed.

http://www.google.com/reader/m/
http://squeezer.net/

Anything else?

]]> By: Tim http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-119019 Tim Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:05:45 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-119019 Catching myself being Blackberry-centric -- you could just as easily enter your mobile number and carrier and get an SMS link / WAP push to your phone... supported on a pretty good amount of phones out there with a browser these days. Or go to a site like m.bloglines.com and log in. There remain the design decisions of -- full posts in the river or headlines only? Headlines then link to mobile translated pages from the site, or whatever's in the RSS feed (full posts/abstracts)? Are comments valuable to a mobile user? But that said, not a lot left to work out there. Catching myself being Blackberry-centric — you could just as easily enter your mobile number and carrier and get an SMS link / WAP push to your phone… supported on a pretty good amount of phones out there with a browser these days. Or go to a site like m.bloglines.com and log in.

There remain the design decisions of — full posts in the river or headlines only? Headlines then link to mobile translated pages from the site, or whatever’s in the RSS feed (full posts/abstracts)? Are comments valuable to a mobile user? But that said, not a lot left to work out there.

]]> By: Tim http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-119011 Tim Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:33:10 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-119011 I've been designing mobile interfaces for a really long time (at least, for someone my age). Founded one of the first mobile design + content companies in the US (proteus.com) and, as far as we know, we built the first dynamic, CMS-powered WAP site to present news in reverse-date format, with Motorola in 1999. In other words, we built a corporate news blog that rendered on WAP phones. That all said, cred properly established, I think this rivers concept when applied to mobile browsing is quite cool, and everyone here saying Dave is reinventing the wheel, well, maybe it needs reinventing. Mobile web just has not caught on fast enough. The great thing about the rivers metaphor to me is that it merges tributaries -- various feeds -- and opens up a really nice potential for customization for the user. I've found the mobile Bloglines product for PDAs completely unusable, for instance, as well as most of the mobile RSS readers I've tried, to the point of giving them up, and I just hit sites like Kottke's remainders on my Blackberry, and wait til I get on a laptop to read the other feeds I like. Now, imagine if Bloglines or My Yahoo launches a personalized rivers product tomorrow. Log in, check off the sites you want to follow via mobile, enter your blackberry email address, and a minute later, you get a link to your personalized river of news sent to your phone. All your blog headlines, identified by author/feed, on one easy to load page, in reverse chron order. And if you really wanted to get fancy, a little pagination every 25 posts or so, the better to sip content if on a slower phone or network. I want that. If I had a little more ambition, I'd stay up tonight and build it, figure out a way to insert some text ads here and there from various Web 2.0 startups ;-) -- then announce the new company right here in this post. But instead, I'm hoping some of you fine folks build this tomorrow, as like I said, I'd love to use it. I’ve been designing mobile interfaces for a really long time (at least, for someone my age). Founded one of the first mobile design + content companies in the US (proteus.com) and, as far as we know, we built the first dynamic, CMS-powered WAP site to present news in reverse-date format, with Motorola in 1999. In other words, we built a corporate news blog that rendered on WAP phones.

That all said, cred properly established, I think this rivers concept when applied to mobile browsing is quite cool, and everyone here saying Dave is reinventing the wheel, well, maybe it needs reinventing. Mobile web just has not caught on fast enough. The great thing about the rivers metaphor to me is that it merges tributaries — various feeds — and opens up a really nice potential for customization for the user.

I’ve found the mobile Bloglines product for PDAs completely unusable, for instance, as well as most of the mobile RSS readers I’ve tried, to the point of giving them up, and I just hit sites like Kottke’s remainders on my Blackberry, and wait til I get on a laptop to read the other feeds I like.

Now, imagine if Bloglines or My Yahoo launches a personalized rivers product tomorrow. Log in, check off the sites you want to follow via mobile, enter your blackberry email address, and a minute later, you get a link to your personalized river of news sent to your phone. All your blog headlines, identified by author/feed, on one easy to load page, in reverse chron order. And if you really wanted to get fancy, a little pagination every 25 posts or so, the better to sip content if on a slower phone or network.

I want that.

If I had a little more ambition, I’d stay up tonight and build it, figure out a way to insert some text ads here and there from various Web 2.0 startups ;-) — then announce the new company right here in this post.

But instead, I’m hoping some of you fine folks build this tomorrow, as like I said, I’d love to use it.

]]> By: Jackie Danicki » Hateration and projection http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-118247 Jackie Danicki » Hateration and projection Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:31:34 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-118247 [...] I’m always troubled by those who are so insistent on rubbishing any new thing that comes down the pike. And so it has gone, predictably, with Dave Winer’s River of News idea and implementation. Lots of people hate on Dave (”Dave Winer? Most aptly named man in the universe,” sniffed one internet industry CEO the very first time I met him and happened to mention Winer’s name) and seem unable to play the ball, not the man. Bob Stepno nails the way these people think and reason, with their “This is nothing new, no big deal” attitude: Back when Jimmy Carter was president, anyone with a big computer downstairs and thousands of dollars in wire service subscriptions could read a daily ‘river of news’ on our computer screens. [...] [...] I’m always troubled by those who are so insistent on rubbishing any new thing that comes down the pike. And so it has gone, predictably, with Dave Winer’s River of News idea and implementation. Lots of people hate on Dave (”Dave Winer? Most aptly named man in the universe,” sniffed one internet industry CEO the very first time I met him and happened to mention Winer’s name) and seem unable to play the ball, not the man. Bob Stepno nails the way these people think and reason, with their “This is nothing new, no big deal” attitude: Back when Jimmy Carter was president, anyone with a big computer downstairs and thousands of dollars in wire service subscriptions could read a daily ‘river of news’ on our computer screens. [...]

]]> By: A River of Fruit at FactoryCity http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-116362 A River of Fruit at FactoryCity Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:48:31 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-116362 [...] Emily Chang, Pete Cashmore and the Download Squad all talked about xFruits months ago, but it seems pertinent to bring it up again now that there’s been some pickup of Dave’s River of News meme. [...] [...] Emily Chang, Pete Cashmore and the Download Squad all talked about xFruits months ago, but it seems pertinent to bring it up again now that there’s been some pickup of Dave’s River of News meme. [...]

]]> By: eric v http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-116258 eric v Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:10:24 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-116258 hilarious! It was funny enough when winer claimed to have invented blogging and rss without any credit to those that came (long) before him, but mobile feed reading? You realize that people have been reading feeds on mobile devices through proxy filters for long bout 2 or 3 years now, right? I can hardly wait for dave to invent word processing and the idea of "linking to another site" with his new invention "hypertext". It's cute how you new york guys don't get what a joke winer is. He can't wait for you to blog about his latest invention,...wait for it....spellcheck! hilarious! It was funny enough when winer claimed to have invented blogging and rss without any credit to those that came (long) before him, but mobile feed reading? You realize that people have been reading feeds on mobile devices through proxy filters for long bout 2 or 3 years now, right? I can hardly wait for dave to invent word processing and the idea of “linking to another site” with his new invention “hypertext”. It’s cute how you new york guys don’t get what a joke winer is. He can’t wait for you to blog about his latest invention,…wait for it….spellcheck!

]]> By: Lee http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115741 Lee Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:22:34 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115741 I love the idea of consolidated and all-star feeds. We just started one for marketing and advertising too here: http://www.marketing.fm/2006/08/23/marketing-advertising-blog-network-launch/ Check it out if you get a chance I love the idea of consolidated and all-star feeds. We just started one for marketing and advertising too here: http://www.marketing.fm/2006/08/23/marketing-advertising-blog-network-launch/

Check it out if you get a chance

]]> By: Content & Communication » Blog Archive » River of News http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115683 Content & Communication » Blog Archive » River of News Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:50:35 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115683 [...] Some talk today on Buzz Machine about Dave Winer’s mobile RSS hack of BBC (and Times) News. This seems to suck in and combine latest updates to feeds in one long stream. I agree with some of the comments about it being a reinvention of the wheel of the pre-existing BBC mobile headline update services as this just seems to elevate the importance of “new” stories over any other criteria. Do I really want every update of every story from any news source? No. I twould want to filter these and maybe this will come later down the line. [...] [...] Some talk today on Buzz Machine about Dave Winer’s mobile RSS hack of BBC (and Times) News. This seems to suck in and combine latest updates to feeds in one long stream. I agree with some of the comments about it being a reinvention of the wheel of the pre-existing BBC mobile headline update services as this just seems to elevate the importance of “new” stories over any other criteria. Do I really want every update of every story from any news source? No. I twould want to filter these and maybe this will come later down the line. [...]

]]> By: Craig Burton Blog » Blog Archive » NY Times River of News http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115633 Craig Burton Blog » Blog Archive » NY Times River of News Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:15:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115633 [...] Dave Winer fixes mobile news consumption with River-of-News philosophy Link: BuzzMachine � Blog Archive � The river of news. [...] [...] Dave Winer fixes mobile news consumption with River-of-News philosophy Link: BuzzMachine � Blog Archive � The river of news. [...]

]]> By: Classyfeeds » Blog Archive » It’s river of NEWS, not VIEWS, dummies http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115526 Classyfeeds » Blog Archive » It’s river of NEWS, not VIEWS, dummies Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:45:19 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115526 [...] Not a new argument by any means but . . .(cue up quotable excerpt) In the light of the blogosphere going ape-shit over Dave’s “mobile river of news,” I think it’s more critical than ever that media companies stop clinging to the out-dated page-view model and begin offering full-text feeds. [...] [...] Not a new argument by any means but . . .(cue up quotable excerpt) In the light of the blogosphere going ape-shit over Dave’s “mobile river of news,” I think it’s more critical than ever that media companies stop clinging to the out-dated page-view model and begin offering full-text feeds. [...]

]]> By: Phil Wilson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115524 Phil Wilson Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:41:18 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115524 Jeff, you and Ewan are both wrong. The two big example sites Dave gives (the BBC and the NY Times) already provide this information in the pared-down way Dave is doing themselves. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/pda/default.htm and http://partners.nytimes.com/avantgo/main.html Out of interest, compare http://techcrunch.scripting.com/ with http://feeds.feedburner.com/Techcrunch and http://www.techcrunch.com/ with CSS disabled. Jeff, you and Ewan are both wrong. The two big example sites Dave gives (the BBC and the NY Times) already provide this information in the pared-down way Dave is doing themselves. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/pda/default.htm and http://partners.nytimes.com/avantgo/main.html

Out of interest, compare http://techcrunch.scripting.com/ with http://feeds.feedburner.com/Techcrunch and http://www.techcrunch.com/ with CSS disabled.

]]> By: Jon Garfunkel http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115514 Jon Garfunkel Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:19:32 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115514 I'm with everybody else on this being a wheel being reinvented. Meanwhile, I've been talking to a friend in Nashville while IMing a Dell customer service guy in India. We are now at the 25 minute mark and they have yet to concede a broken monitor. Maybe after the river of news has run through, can we get back to the river of tech support? Lemme just call my broker to short their stock, first... I’m with everybody else on this being a wheel being reinvented. Meanwhile, I’ve been talking to a friend in Nashville while IMing a Dell customer service guy in India. We are now at the 25 minute mark and they have yet to concede a broken monitor. Maybe after the river of news has run through, can we get back to the river of tech support? Lemme just call my broker to short their stock, first…

]]> By: Scripting News Annex » Scripting News for 8/22/2006 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115505 Scripting News Annex » Scripting News for 8/22/2006 Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:47:08 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115505 [...] Jeff Jarvis: “Just the news, sir. And keep it flowing.”  [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis: “Just the news, sir. And keep it flowing.”  [...]

]]> By: Undertoad http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115501 Undertoad Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:42:02 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115501 A buddy of mine came up with this set of mobile-accessible links... in 1999: <a href="http://home.comcast.net/~plinkit/" rel="nofollow">Plinkit</a> A buddy of mine came up with this set of mobile-accessible links… in 1999:

Plinkit

]]> By: Text To Screen » Blog Archive » Dave Winer fixes mobile news consumption with River-of-News philosophy http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115497 Text To Screen » Blog Archive » Dave Winer fixes mobile news consumption with River-of-News philosophy Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:38:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/22/the-river-of-news/#comment-115497 [...] Link: BuzzMachine � Blog Archive � The river of news. [...] [...] Link: BuzzMachine � Blog Archive � The river of news. [...]

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