Comments on: News shmucks http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/ by Jeff Jarvis Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:11:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: kat http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119994 kat Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:30:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119994 MSM doesn't want the source to be Armitage. If they shove their fingers in their ears and close their eyes, they hope it will just go away. There was endless commentary when they thought it was who they wanted it to be. But the facts completely ruin their story and if they don't report them, maybe just maybe there will be people believing the previous untruths. MSM doesn’t want the source to be Armitage. If they shove their fingers in their ears and close their eyes, they hope it will just go away. There was endless commentary when they thought it was who they wanted it to be. But the facts completely ruin their story and if they don’t report them, maybe just maybe there will be people believing the previous untruths.

]]> By: Eileen http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119873 Eileen Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:01:43 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119873 Yep, kat, lots of crickets chirpin' on that one. Nary a mention on the nightly news or all day(s) "news" coverage on MSNBC. Now, if some deranged Christian had mown down 15 people, including a couple in front of an abortion clinic (as opposed to a Jewish Community Center), care to imagine the wall to wall coverage which would ensue for weeks? What we hear and what we DON'T hear reported by the MSM continues to 'educate' (not that we aren't fully informed by now). MSM must be *almost* as upset about the baby killer who wasn't as they are about Armitage. I'm hearing a lot of coverage; i.e., endless empty commentary, on that one too. Heh. Our MSM is in fine form, as ever. I know I trust them implicitly with regard to everything they 'report'; i.e., propagandize - and don't. [Why, again, are all those viewers and readers abandoning the airwaves and papers in droves? Not even ONe of the MSM types can seem to figure it out!] Yep, kat, lots of crickets chirpin’ on that one. Nary a mention on the nightly news or all day(s) “news” coverage on MSNBC. Now, if some deranged Christian had mown down 15 people, including a couple in front of an abortion clinic (as opposed to a Jewish Community Center), care to imagine the wall to wall coverage which would ensue for weeks?

What we hear and what we DON’T hear reported by the MSM continues to ‘educate’ (not that we aren’t fully informed by now).

MSM must be *almost* as upset about the baby killer who wasn’t as they are about Armitage. I’m hearing a lot of coverage; i.e., endless empty commentary, on that one too. Heh.

Our MSM is in fine form, as ever. I know I trust them implicitly with regard to everything they ‘report’; i.e., propagandize - and don’t.

[Why, again, are all those viewers and readers abandoning the airwaves and papers in droves? Not even ONe of the MSM types can seem to figure it out!]

]]> By: Jim Treacher http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119846 Jim Treacher Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:25:21 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119846 <blockquote>they clearly dont want to cover the President, so they will go back to falling over themselves to cover missing white girls or dead white girls as if that is those are the only unsolved crimes out there.</blockquote> Yep, nobody's covering the President anymore. And I'm pretty sure this is the first time in history the press has gone nuts over a lurid murder case. Damn you, Rove!

they clearly dont want to cover the President, so they will go back to falling over themselves to cover missing white girls or dead white girls as if that is those are the only unsolved crimes out there.

Yep, nobody’s covering the President anymore. And I’m pretty sure this is the first time in history the press has gone nuts over a lurid murder case. Damn you, Rove!

]]> By: Slugged » JonBenet ad nauseum http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119746 Slugged » JonBenet ad nauseum Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:02:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119746 [...] Two of my favorite bloggers, Jeff Jarvis and Nicole Stockdale, each poke holes in the media’s coverage of this story, offering the right amount of “shame on yous” to those screaming commentators and libelous headline writers who don’t know when to quit. [...] [...] Two of my favorite bloggers, Jeff Jarvis and Nicole Stockdale, each poke holes in the media’s coverage of this story, offering the right amount of “shame on yous” to those screaming commentators and libelous headline writers who don’t know when to quit. [...]

]]> By: kat http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119659 kat Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:13:28 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119659 I want to hear about the man who went on a killng spree in San Fran. Was he a muslim?? I want to hear about the man who went on a killng spree in San Fran. Was he a muslim??

]]> By: tony http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119656 tony Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:01:37 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119656 ah, the freak confessed and the press covered it. they clearly dont want to cover the President, so they will go back to falling over themselves to cover missing white girls or dead white girls as if that is those are the only unsolved crimes out there. Boy George cleaning the streets in NYC got more ink than the day the White House admitted there were no WMDs in Iraq. That's your glorious press, America. ah, the freak confessed and the press covered it.

they clearly dont want to cover the President, so they will go back to falling over themselves to cover missing white girls or dead white girls as if that is those are the only unsolved crimes out there.

Boy George cleaning the streets in NYC got more ink than the day the White House admitted there were no WMDs in Iraq. That’s your glorious press, America.

]]> By: Grayson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119644 Grayson Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:02:03 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119644 Oh get outta here! Now someone's quoting Paul Weller. This blog is now officially too cool for the room. Hope we never come to our senses here with our never changing moods about MSM. Oh get outta here! Now someone’s quoting Paul Weller. This blog is now officially too cool for the room. Hope we never come to our senses here with our never changing moods about MSM.

]]> By: Alan Kellogg http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119571 Alan Kellogg Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:36:18 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119571 It's a long established rule, Karr wrecks lead. It’s a long established rule, Karr wrecks lead.

]]> By: Scott Suttell http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119563 Scott Suttell Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:04:05 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119563 Steve Busfield says it well. The media (primarily cable TV news) performed terribly, of course. It's beyond me why they hyped it when there were so many questions about Karr right away. But there has to be some blame placed on the millions of people who want to watch this kind of stuff. I'd love to see one of the big cable giants (don't care which one) declare that it will not do this kind of news and leave JonBenet, the Runaway Bride, Natalie Holloway, etc., to someone else. But on these stories, they have to play defense. Is Fox going to let, say, 100,000-200,000 viewers migrate over to CNN because it refuses to broadcast a high-interest (though trashy) story. By all means, hold media accountable for bad decisions about how much time was spent on the story. But don't pretend that the reason all newscasts aren't PBS' "NewsHour" is because journalists are too stupid to produce produce quality work. As movies, TV, music, etc., amply prove on a weekly basis, many consumers demand junk. Steve Busfield says it well.

The media (primarily cable TV news) performed terribly, of course. It’s beyond me why they hyped it when there were so many questions about Karr right away. But there has to be some blame placed on the millions of people who want to watch this kind of stuff.

I’d love to see one of the big cable giants (don’t care which one) declare that it will not do this kind of news and leave JonBenet, the Runaway Bride, Natalie Holloway, etc., to someone else. But on these stories, they have to play defense. Is Fox going to let, say, 100,000-200,000 viewers migrate over to CNN because it refuses to broadcast a high-interest (though trashy) story.

By all means, hold media accountable for bad decisions about how much time was spent on the story. But don’t pretend that the reason all newscasts aren’t PBS’ “NewsHour” is because journalists are too stupid to produce produce quality work. As movies, TV, music, etc., amply prove on a weekly basis, many consumers demand junk.

]]> By: Steve Busfield http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119423 Steve Busfield Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:07:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119423 Jeff - While I applaud your message, I cannot help but notice how many posts this blog has attracted. It is rather like the British public and the British press. The public complains that the press are heading downmarket and covering trash - and yet it is the News of the World which sells the most copies each week - by a long, long way. And that is why news outlets give so much space to stories such as these. As Paul Weller so memorably sang: "The public gets what the public wants." Jeff - While I applaud your message, I cannot help but notice how many posts this blog has attracted. It is rather like the British public and the British press. The public complains that the press are heading downmarket and covering trash - and yet it is the News of the World which sells the most copies each week - by a long, long way. And that is why news outlets give so much space to stories such as these. As Paul Weller so memorably sang: “The public gets what the public wants.”

]]> By: Ga http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119323 Ga Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:33:27 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119323 Yeah, and I love how the sicko journalists like Nancy Grace and Glen Beck are all up and arms about who's to blame for Karr being "not the guy" they depended upon these last few weeks. Yeah, and I love how the sicko journalists like Nancy Grace and Glen Beck are all up and arms about who’s to blame for Karr being “not the guy” they depended upon these last few weeks.

]]> By: Grayson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119322 Grayson Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:32:02 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119322 Lordy, if that ain't the truth, Oregonian. The "journalists" or "talent," I should say, are so well-trained to holler "How high?" when the managers and news directors scream (as many will do), "Jump" at 'em that you can't really blame 'em. They wouldn't know real news if they ran, in their crazed and frenzied A/V herds, literally right over it... bless their hearts. And woe to the "talent" that takes it upon their pretty, foolish head to put a foot down about such behavior: no pack mentality = no job. My best advice in such situations, especially if you're short, elbow the sh*t outta the person standing next to you. And do it like you mean it. You will surely be promoted that way! Lordy, if that ain’t the truth, Oregonian. The “journalists” or “talent,” I should say, are so well-trained to holler “How high?” when the managers and news directors scream (as many will do), “Jump” at ‘em that you can’t really blame ‘em. They wouldn’t know real news if they ran, in their crazed and frenzied A/V herds, literally right over it… bless their hearts. And woe to the “talent” that takes it upon their pretty, foolish head to put a foot down about such behavior: no pack mentality = no job.

My best advice in such situations, especially if you’re short, elbow the sh*t outta the person standing next to you. And do it like you mean it. You will surely be promoted that way!

]]> By: Oregonian39 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119295 Oregonian39 Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:33:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119295 Look beyond the journalists. When you have station managers and media owners telling you (the reporters) what the news is, real journalism doesn't stand a chance. Look beyond the journalists. When you have station managers and media owners telling you (the reporters) what the news is, real journalism doesn’t stand a chance.

]]> By: Grayson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119292 Grayson Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:24:30 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119292 In the Atlanta area, we specialize in runaway brides, former meth addicts-turned-Bible-thumpers taking in escaped killers, rap music producers, and assorted falls from grace of various Civil Rights-era leaders. Don't blame us if the John Mark Karr episode looked like real news. Heck, Fox News was even reporting right from the grave site here. Now if that ain't gen-u-ine front-line journalism then I'm the ghost of Louise Bryant! In the Atlanta area, we specialize in runaway brides, former meth addicts-turned-Bible-thumpers taking in escaped killers, rap music producers, and assorted falls from grace of various Civil Rights-era leaders. Don’t blame us if the John Mark Karr episode looked like real news. Heck, Fox News was even reporting right from the grave site here. Now if that ain’t gen-u-ine front-line journalism then I’m the ghost of Louise Bryant!

]]> By: penny http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119286 penny Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:32:27 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119286 stephanie, there isn't hunger in capitalistic counties with free markets and free elections. rotten, corrupt governments are dangerous to your health. you can throw money all you want down the rat holes of aid to africa, but, decade after decade, it yields nothing but more corruption and aid. the only solution to world hunger is overthrowing by force the corrupt regimes in africa. but, i bet in stephanie's world taking up arms, driving out the oppressors with direct action wouldn't be nuanced enough. it would smack of colonialist intervention, so, better to keep starving. and they will. stephanie, there isn’t hunger in capitalistic counties with free markets and free elections. rotten, corrupt governments are dangerous to your health. you can throw money all you want down the rat holes of aid to africa, but, decade after decade, it yields nothing but more corruption and aid.

the only solution to world hunger is overthrowing by force the corrupt regimes in africa. but, i bet in stephanie’s world taking up arms, driving out the oppressors with direct action wouldn’t be nuanced enough. it would smack of colonialist intervention, so, better to keep starving. and they will.

]]> By: stephanie http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119283 stephanie Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:04:01 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119283 I can't believe that we pay this much attention to, and give this much coverage to something that while tragic, is a done deal. There is no saving Jon Benet, and we should focus on those that could be saved. If we paid as much attention to the Millennium Development Goals (as i found on www.borgenproject.org ) as we did this nonsense, we would have solved world hunger by now. I can’t believe that we pay this much attention to, and give this much coverage to something that while tragic, is a done deal. There is no saving Jon Benet, and we should focus on those that could be saved.
If we paid as much attention to the Millennium Development Goals (as i found on http://www.borgenproject.org ) as we did this nonsense, we would have solved world hunger by now.

]]> By: penny http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119274 penny Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:01:28 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119274 Hey, Nathan, the DA's office brought him back for more reasons than assuming he did it. He was a person of interest that couldn't be ignored after the MSM launched its media blitz. The DA isn't pressing charges, of course, after examining the evidence, and has showed better sense than the MSM idiots who would love a continuation of their Karr story. I am blaming the media. They are idiots. They sniffed this nutball out and found him newsworthy. They didn't have to run with his story. How the hell do you think he got on your tv screen? The messenger is the story, my friend. All other parties survive by taking defensive action. Hey, Nathan, the DA’s office brought him back for more reasons than assuming he did it. He was a person of interest that couldn’t be ignored after the MSM launched its media blitz. The DA isn’t pressing charges, of course, after examining the evidence, and has showed better sense than the MSM idiots who would love a continuation of their Karr story.

I am blaming the media. They are idiots. They sniffed this nutball out and found him newsworthy. They didn’t have to run with his story. How the hell do you think he got on your tv screen? The messenger is the story, my friend. All other parties survive by taking defensive action.

]]> By: Ethan http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119259 Ethan Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:58:05 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119259 blame the media--what?--when the DA brought him back and charged him? how does that make sense? this sort of "shoot the messenger" approach to everything is stupid at best and dangerous at worst. blame the media–what?–when the DA brought him back and charged him? how does that make sense?
this sort of “shoot the messenger” approach to everything is stupid at best and dangerous at worst.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119258 Andrew Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:55:35 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119258 What rock does the media live under? Just about every normal person in America, the moment they saw this guy, said to themselves "this guy is a psycho not a killer." Maybe when the media stops watching "Masterpiece Theater" and starts watching "Cops" they'll be a little better judge of people.... What rock does the media live under? Just about every normal person in America, the moment they saw this guy, said to themselves “this guy is a psycho not a killer.”

Maybe when the media stops watching “Masterpiece Theater” and starts watching “Cops” they’ll be a little better judge of people….

]]> By: McCarthyD http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119255 McCarthyD Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:30:06 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119255 quote: "...They call this news? They call this journalism? It’s not the voyeurism that’s most offensive. It’s the stupidity.." ________ The TV "News" producers, writers & teleprompter-readers are not 'stupid' {...nor are they serious 'journalists'} -- they are merely out to make a buck, like most other people. They produce & sell stuff {..video & audio} that has proven popular with enough of the viewing public ... to make it financially worthwhile. Voyeurism, sensationalism and sex... very reliably attract public attention. If they thought they could get away with it -- they'd have topless bimbos reading the 'news' on their programs. Dull, but important 'news' topics don't attract as large an audience. It is a perfectly rational method to make money. It is not stupidity. Yes, they are deceptive about the true nature of their 'product' -- but no more so than many other major American retailers & their true products {.. and most politicians}. As always: Buyer {..'viewer'} Beware ! The core problem is not with 'them' -- but with starry-eyed idealists who somehow expected to find serious and honest 'journalism' in mainstream television. quote:

“…They call this news? They call this journalism? It’s not the voyeurism that’s most offensive. It’s the stupidity..”

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The TV “News” producers, writers & teleprompter-readers are not ’stupid’ {…nor are they serious ‘journalists’} — they are merely out to make a buck, like most other people.

They produce & sell stuff {..video & audio} that has proven popular with enough of the viewing public … to make it financially worthwhile. Voyeurism, sensationalism and sex… very reliably attract public attention. If they thought they could get away with it — they’d have topless bimbos reading the ‘news’ on their programs.

Dull, but important ‘news’ topics don’t attract as large an audience.

It is a perfectly rational method to make money. It is not stupidity.

Yes, they are deceptive about the true nature of their ‘product’ — but no more so than many other major American retailers & their true products {.. and most politicians}.

As always: Buyer {..’viewer’} Beware !

The core problem is not with ‘them’ — but with starry-eyed idealists who somehow expected to find serious and honest ‘journalism’ in mainstream television.

]]> By: Jonas Cord http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119252 Jonas Cord Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:56:58 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119252 My girlfriend and I could not stop laughing last night when the local news teaser said: "A shocking twist in the JonBenet Ramsey case! More at 11!" Yeah, the guy didn't do it and you've been wasting everyones time for weeks. That's a <i>real shocking twist!</i> My girlfriend and I could not stop laughing last night when the local news teaser said: “A shocking twist in the JonBenet Ramsey case! More at 11!”

Yeah, the guy didn’t do it and you’ve been wasting everyones time for weeks. That’s a real shocking twist!

]]> By: JonathanR ( of Web2.0Newspapers) http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119251 JonathanR ( of Web2.0Newspapers) Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:54:45 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119251 Well put, sir. On the stupidity, I'm sure many of you've seen this already, but as usual The Daily Show's sendup is not to be missed, with their trademark fast-cuts-to-expose-MSM-idiocy style (prawns and all!) Stewart: "Let it sink in, people! ... They're transporting him ... by plane." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KADCGX7jj_M - JonathanR. of Web 2.0 Newspapers Well put, sir. On the stupidity, I’m sure many of you’ve seen this already, but as usual The Daily Show’s sendup is not to be missed, with their trademark fast-cuts-to-expose-MSM-idiocy style (prawns and all!)

Stewart: “Let it sink in, people! … They’re transporting him … by plane.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KADCGX7jj_M

- JonathanR. of Web 2.0 Newspapers

]]> By: Austin http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119241 Austin Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:42:43 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119241 Amen!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!! Amen!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » News shmucks at blackrimglasses.com http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119226 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » News shmucks at blackrimglasses.com Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:43:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119226 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » News shmucks: well said. [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » News shmucks: well said. [...]

]]> By: I. F. Stoner http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119213 I. F. Stoner Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:03:29 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/08/28/news-shmucks/#comment-119213 Deeper than just voyeurism or stupidity: It's hubris and self-justification. Back when the JonBenet story was, um, a real news story, the cable newsers overdid it, it was all JonBenet, all the time. (Like Lacey Peterson later). So now that there was ostensibly a development in the case, the cracktards at MSNBC, CNN, et. als had no choice but to commit. It's a way of justifying the overkill... Deeper than just voyeurism or stupidity:
It’s hubris and self-justification. Back when the JonBenet story was, um, a real news story, the cable newsers overdid it, it was all JonBenet, all the time. (Like Lacey Peterson later).
So now that there was ostensibly a development in the case, the cracktards at MSNBC, CNN, et. als had no choice but to commit. It’s a way of justifying the overkill…

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