Comments on: The definition of networked news http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/ by Jeff Jarvis Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:19:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Framtider.net » Blog Archive » links for 2006-09-26 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-145830 Framtider.net » Blog Archive » links for 2006-09-26 Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:18:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-145830 [...] Buzzmachine: The definition of networked news “I was asked to define networked news. Good question. Here’s my answer. What’s yours?” (tags: buzz_machine jeff_jarvis journalistik deltagande_journalistik nätverksjournalistik bloggosfären) [...] [...] Buzzmachine: The definition of networked news “I was asked to define networked news. Good question. Here’s my answer. What’s yours?” (tags: buzz_machine jeff_jarvis journalistik deltagande_journalistik nätverksjournalistik bloggosfären) [...]

]]> By: Jim http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-129710 Jim Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:30:38 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-129710 What is networked news? I thought about this. You are keeping people informed. I don't see how anybody could do much more. There's always something more! A lot of people ignore the news, me included to a certain degree. Football is on now, so that's what's important right now. A blog without sports can never be confused with news. News covers it all. Get sports buzz and you've got a game here. What is networked news? I thought about this. You are keeping people informed. I don’t see how anybody could do much more. There’s always something more! A lot of people ignore the news, me included to a certain degree. Football is on now, so that’s what’s important right now. A blog without sports can never be confused with news. News covers it all. Get sports buzz and you’ve got a game here.

]]> By: Jim http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-129287 Jim Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:15:09 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-129287 "They shoot without warning and they definitely don’t care if you’ve claimed there was something new." Fire at will is now publish at will. They shoot without warning makes them sound like terrorists and they don't care either. If there's something new, people will know about it sooner or later. Today it's likely to be sooner, which is always a good thing. A lot of people knowing nothing are know nothings. This helps explain China. In the U.S. we are information rich and take it for granted. The new stuff gets old faster in the U.S. than in China. We are blazing new trails and they are censoring everything. That's why people aren't in a big rush to move to China anytime soon. The people know what they want and they want new stuff. New is good, it's also expensive in certain cases. Our Internet is newer than their Internet. Even our old stuff is better than their censored new stuff. “They shoot without warning and they definitely don’t care if you’ve claimed there was something new.” Fire at will is now publish at will. They shoot without warning makes them sound like terrorists and they don’t care either. If there’s something new, people will know about it sooner or later. Today it’s likely to be sooner, which is always a good thing. A lot of people knowing nothing are know nothings. This helps explain China. In the U.S. we are information rich and take it for granted. The new stuff gets old faster in the U.S. than in China. We are blazing new trails and they are censoring everything. That’s why people aren’t in a big rush to move to China anytime soon. The people know what they want and they want new stuff. New is good, it’s also expensive in certain cases. Our Internet is newer than their Internet. Even our old stuff is better than their censored new stuff.

]]> By: Jim http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-129278 Jim Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:44:19 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-129278 Look at football. Two teams, one field and the masses are in the stands. Everybody could be reporting about the game, except they are busy watching it along with the people at home who are watching it. Both are also getting drunk, so their reportage could suffer or be entertaining. Good reporting is difficult work, requires skills & talent and people aren't going to do it for nothing or for the sake of being involved in a story. People can write and edit the Wikinews, which may or may not be better than the news a CBS, NBC or CNN produces. Common sense suggests that the CBS, NBC or CNN news product is better for a number of reasons, starting with talent. If you have skills, people are going to trust you to do the job. I read Wikinews now and then, I just don't see it replacing or improving mainstream reporting. Placing news archives in a wiki or other web format would be a good resource to expand. It's being done now. There are millions of old stories not online yet because it's costly to digitize them and republish them. Plus servers cost money to operate and maintain. The new news is more expensive to produce than a simple digital archive of the old news. Look at football. Two teams, one field and the masses are in the stands. Everybody could be reporting about the game, except they are busy watching it along with the people at home who are watching it. Both are also getting drunk, so their reportage could suffer or be entertaining.

Good reporting is difficult work, requires skills & talent and people aren’t going to do it for nothing or for the sake of being involved in a story. People can write and edit the Wikinews, which may or may not be better than the news a CBS, NBC or CNN produces. Common sense suggests that the CBS, NBC or CNN news product is better for a number of reasons, starting with talent. If you have skills, people are going to trust you to do the job. I read Wikinews now and then, I just don’t see it replacing or improving mainstream reporting. Placing news archives in a wiki or other web format would be a good resource to expand. It’s being done now. There are millions of old stories not online yet because it’s costly to digitize them and republish them. Plus servers cost money to operate and maintain. The new news is more expensive to produce than a simple digital archive of the old news.

]]> By: Jay Rosen http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-129277 Jay Rosen Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:42:26 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-129277 The "nothing new" troops are everywhere, Jeff. They shoot without warning and they definitely don't care if you've claimed there was something new. The “nothing new” troops are everywhere, Jeff. They shoot without warning and they definitely don’t care if you’ve claimed there was something new.

]]> By: Patrizia http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127865 Patrizia Sat, 09 Sep 2006 07:16:54 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127865 First question: Who makes the money? Second question: Where does the money come from? A Journalist that does his job, unless he has billions on his bank account (in which case it is very improbable that he has the hobby of jurnalism) does it for a salary. The people who act as journalists as a hobby are called bloggers and the network is called Internet. Nothing new.... Patrizia http://woip.blogspot.com First question:

Who makes the money?

Second question:

Where does the money come from?

A Journalist that does his job, unless he has billions on his bank account (in which case it is very improbable that he has the hobby of jurnalism) does it for a salary.

The people who act as journalists as a hobby are called bloggers and the network is called Internet.
Nothing new….

Patrizia

http://woip.blogspot.com

]]> By: Web 2.0 Newspapers » Fine Young Audiences, Fine Young Media (with apologies to Fine Young Journalist, but none to FYC) http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127439 Web 2.0 Newspapers » Fine Young Audiences, Fine Young Media (with apologies to Fine Young Journalist, but none to FYC) Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:07:13 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127439 [...] For now, I'm reading the news, and I plan to keep looking for the trends in Web applications and features that newspaper sites will either pioneer themselves, or more likely will add on as these features grow in popularity the way blogs have done. Jeff Jarvis's evolving definition of networked news and Steve Yelvington's musings on big media and social media are good starting points for those reader-as-participant concepts and how they can be done, or done better. I've begun digesting this material — obviously there's a connection between, say, MySpace users and the news-eating demo we've discussed — and will be posting more about it … beliedat.  [...] [...] For now, I'm reading the news, and I plan to keep looking for the trends in Web applications and features that newspaper sites will either pioneer themselves, or more likely will add on as these features grow in popularity the way blogs have done. Jeff Jarvis's evolving definition of networked news and Steve Yelvington's musings on big media and social media are good starting points for those reader-as-participant concepts and how they can be done, or done better. I've begun digesting this material — obviously there's a connection between, say, MySpace users and the news-eating demo we've discussed — and will be posting more about it … beliedat.  [...]

]]> By: adslfan http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127360 adslfan Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:30:41 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127360 just use your millions you make off buzzmachine and buy that wikipedia site and therefore you can control all the news you want. just use your millions you make off buzzmachine and buy that wikipedia site
and therefore you can control all the news you want.

]]> By: Stanford Matthews http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127333 Stanford Matthews Fri, 08 Sep 2006 19:19:39 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127333 Major media companies will never voluntarily relinquish their control. As a primary influence determining the direction of public debate, they wield incredible power. The blogosphere will likely mirror this characteristic as time goes on. Powerful interests recognized the usefulness of blogging early. Many of the blogs already introduce their own bias. Networked news already exists in an arrangement that is not likely to change. Most news seeks to redefine the truth rather than find it. Major media companies will never voluntarily relinquish their control. As a primary influence determining the direction of public debate, they wield incredible power. The blogosphere will likely mirror this characteristic as time goes on. Powerful interests recognized the usefulness of blogging early. Many of the blogs already introduce their own bias. Networked news already exists in an arrangement that is not likely to change. Most news seeks to redefine the truth rather than find it.

]]> By: Classyfeeds » RSS+SSE will change news collaboration http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127293 Classyfeeds » RSS+SSE will change news collaboration Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:45:57 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127293 [...] Jarvis notes the changing role of journalists: A change of the role of journalists — and their relationship with the public — from owner sof the story to moderators, editors, enablers, and educators. [...] [...] Jarvis notes the changing role of journalists: A change of the role of journalists — and their relationship with the public — from owner sof the story to moderators, editors, enablers, and educators. [...]

]]> By: Scott Suttell http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127289 Scott Suttell Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:37:02 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127289 I'll ask this because I don't know: Who carries the liability if an established and deep-pocketed news organization runs into legal trouble with a story from a citizen journalist participating in this networked world of journalism? I’ll ask this because I don’t know:

Who carries the liability if an established and deep-pocketed news organization runs into legal trouble with a story from a citizen journalist participating in this networked world of journalism?

]]> By: Guardian Unlimited: Organ Grinder http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127211 Guardian Unlimited: Organ Grinder Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:32:37 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127211 <strong>Well, hello Katie!</strong> Katie Couric's CBS Evening News debut was the show's biggest rating for seven years.... Well, hello Katie!

Katie Couric’s CBS Evening News debut was the show’s biggest rating for seven years….

]]> By: Tinu http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127104 Tinu Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:34:31 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/09/08/the-definition-of-networked-news/#comment-127104 That actually sounds like a winner to me. But it brings up the question - if the news in the networked format becomes platform independent, where is the line drawn between what is news and what isn't? Because news isn't really just factually supported stories. It's op-ed, sometimes it's rumor, or the reflection of conjecture and theory. On the one hand I believe I know bull when I see it, and I know truth when I see it, whether it's a misquote in the mainstream media or a gem I read in my favorite blog. But then I see the only way to make sure you're getting the right news is to become part of the media, in whatever small way. Not expecting an actual answer, just sharing my musings... long time listener, first-time caller, love this blog... That actually sounds like a winner to me. But it brings up the question - if the news in the networked format becomes platform independent, where is the line drawn between what is news and what isn’t? Because news isn’t really just factually supported stories. It’s op-ed, sometimes it’s rumor, or the reflection of conjecture and theory.

On the one hand I believe I know bull when I see it, and I know truth when I see it, whether it’s a misquote in the mainstream media or a gem I read in my favorite blog. But then I see the only way to make sure you’re getting the right news is to become part of the media, in whatever small way.

Not expecting an actual answer, just sharing my musings… long time listener, first-time caller, love this blog…

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