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		<title>By: Tianks</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-348821</link>
		<dc:creator>Tianks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"..it was this science which gradually took over research into the sounds of language, research which came to be called phonetics. In the second half of the nineteenth century linguistics became dominated by the most naive form of sensualist empiricism, focusing directly and exclusively on sensations. As one would expect the intelligible aspect of language, its signifying aspect, the world of meanings, was lost sight of, was obscured by its sensuous, perceptible aspect, by the substantial, material aspect of sound."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..it was this science which gradually took over research into the sounds of language, research which came to be called phonetics. In the second half of the nineteenth century linguistics became dominated by the most naive form of sensualist empiricism, focusing directly and exclusively on sensations. As one would expect the intelligible aspect of language, its signifying aspect, the world of meanings, was lost sight of, was obscured by its sensuous, perceptible aspect, by the substantial, material aspect of sound.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: At YouTube, another day, another copyright battle (English only) at Die InternetAgenten - Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-201552</link>
		<dc:creator>At YouTube, another day, another copyright battle (English only) at Die InternetAgenten - Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] â€œThe smartest thing YouTube could do is just take all of Universalâ€™s artists off and watch them scream when suddenly theyâ€™re not talked about and bought as much as their competitors. These dimwits just donâ€™t get it: YouTube and MySpace and blogs and the internet are their new distribution and sales channels. Want to cut off your noses to spite your faces? Fine. Hereâ€™s the knife.â€ â€“Buzz Machine [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] â€œThe smartest thing YouTube could do is just take all of Universalâ€™s artists off and watch them scream when suddenly theyâ€™re not talked about and bought as much as their competitors. These dimwits just donâ€™t get it: YouTube and MySpace and blogs and the internet are their new distribution and sales channels. Want to cut off your noses to spite your faces? Fine. Hereâ€™s the knife.â€ â€“Buzz Machine [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Wasza YouTube, moje treÅ›ci - czyje prawa autorskie? - mBobowski Blogs - Internet, komputery, IT, telefonia</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-200068</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Wasza YouTube, moje treÅ›ci - czyje prawa autorskie? - mBobowski Blogs - Internet, komputery, IT, telefonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] SzokujÄ…ce? W Polsce takie wypowiedzi przypisuje siÄ™ zazwyczaj â€œpiratomâ€, â€œkomunistomâ€ i â€œalterglobalistomâ€, a nie analitykom rynkowym. Jeff Jarvis, konsultant i autor bloga BuzzMachine, w tekÅ›cie zatytuÅ‚owanym â€œGÅ‚usi i gÅ‚upiâ€ wypowiada siÄ™ jeszcze ostrzej. Jego zdaniem â€œYouTube powinno usunÄ…Ä‡ utwory wszystkich twÃ³rcÃ³w z Universal i patrzeÄ‡, jak ci krzyczÄ… w niebogÅ‚osy, bowiem nie bÄ™dÄ… rÃ³wnie popularni, i nie bÄ™dÄ… siÄ™ rÃ³wnie dobrze sprzedawaÄ‡, co konkurencja. [â€¦] YouTube, MySpace, blogi i internet to nowe kanaÅ‚y dystrybucji i sprzedaÅ¼yâ€. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] SzokujÄ…ce? W Polsce takie wypowiedzi przypisuje siÄ™ zazwyczaj â€œpiratomâ€, â€œkomunistomâ€ i â€œalterglobalistomâ€, a nie analitykom rynkowym. Jeff Jarvis, konsultant i autor bloga BuzzMachine, w tekÅ›cie zatytuÅ‚owanym â€œGÅ‚usi i gÅ‚upiâ€ wypowiada siÄ™ jeszcze ostrzej. Jego zdaniem â€œYouTube powinno usunÄ…Ä‡ utwory wszystkich twÃ³rcÃ³w z Universal i patrzeÄ‡, jak ci krzyczÄ… w niebogÅ‚osy, bowiem nie bÄ™dÄ… rÃ³wnie popularni, i nie bÄ™dÄ… siÄ™ rÃ³wnie dobrze sprzedawaÄ‡, co konkurencja. [â€¦] YouTube, MySpace, blogi i internet to nowe kanaÅ‚y dystrybucji i sprzedaÅ¼yâ€. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Beachum</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-171549</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Beachum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me first say: â€œI LOVE THIS BLOG â€“ IT DISPLAYS WHAT THE INTERNET IS ALL ABOUT!â€

Now that I have that out of my system, please allow me to take a little stroll down memory lane.  

They say that history always has a way of repeating itself, and if you know your history you remember a little invention called the radio.  This little invention led to a rise in families spending their Sundays at the theaters.  Life was good and then BAM!

The television was created, and the theater became more or less a dinosaur.  The powers that be, or the radio gods tried and tried to explain to the public that television would never catch on.  After all it didnâ€™t have any soundâ€¦

Back to the Present â€“ The powers that be are saying that the big bad Internet is killing the video star.  Oh the poor artist are being ripped off and cheated.  Hmmm lets jump back in our preverbal time machine for a moment.

Back to the Past â€“ Remember when the music industry gave credit to such individuals as Jerry Lee Lewis, and Elvis Presley, who were cash cows created by the music industry who â€œSTOLEâ€ material from other artist and didnâ€™t pay them a dime.  They then allowed their cash cows to record the stolen material and made millions.  In fact they are still making millions from their infamous cash cows.

Back to the Present â€“ ahhh the poor music industry is reaping what the sowed.  It was all fun and games when you were the robber.  

You guys (the music industry) have played the artist and fans for fools for long enough.

The Internet is one monster that the entertainment industry will never be able to stop.  The sooner you realize that the Internet is like the Borg and resistants could be futile the better off you will be.  If the music industry wants to survive you must bow down and join the collective.  If not the music industry as we know it will be disassembled.

The ignorant and fearful may call the information found on this blog mere ramblings, from the mouth of a mad man.  Those that truly understand would say that this blog is an excellent example of freedom of speech from someone with a firm grasp on the future technology known as the Internet. 

To you dear sir I say, â€œtouchÃ©â€.  I take my hat off to you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me first say: â€œI LOVE THIS BLOG â€“ IT DISPLAYS WHAT THE INTERNET IS ALL ABOUT!â€</p>
<p>Now that I have that out of my system, please allow me to take a little stroll down memory lane.  </p>
<p>They say that history always has a way of repeating itself, and if you know your history you remember a little invention called the radio.  This little invention led to a rise in families spending their Sundays at the theaters.  Life was good and then BAM!</p>
<p>The television was created, and the theater became more or less a dinosaur.  The powers that be, or the radio gods tried and tried to explain to the public that television would never catch on.  After all it didnâ€™t have any soundâ€¦</p>
<p>Back to the Present â€“ The powers that be are saying that the big bad Internet is killing the video star.  Oh the poor artist are being ripped off and cheated.  Hmmm lets jump back in our preverbal time machine for a moment.</p>
<p>Back to the Past â€“ Remember when the music industry gave credit to such individuals as Jerry Lee Lewis, and Elvis Presley, who were cash cows created by the music industry who â€œSTOLEâ€ material from other artist and didnâ€™t pay them a dime.  They then allowed their cash cows to record the stolen material and made millions.  In fact they are still making millions from their infamous cash cows.</p>
<p>Back to the Present â€“ ahhh the poor music industry is reaping what the sowed.  It was all fun and games when you were the robber.  </p>
<p>You guys (the music industry) have played the artist and fans for fools for long enough.</p>
<p>The Internet is one monster that the entertainment industry will never be able to stop.  The sooner you realize that the Internet is like the Borg and resistants could be futile the better off you will be.  If the music industry wants to survive you must bow down and join the collective.  If not the music industry as we know it will be disassembled.</p>
<p>The ignorant and fearful may call the information found on this blog mere ramblings, from the mouth of a mad man.  Those that truly understand would say that this blog is an excellent example of freedom of speech from someone with a firm grasp on the future technology known as the Internet. </p>
<p>To you dear sir I say, â€œtouchÃ©â€.  I take my hat off to you!</p>
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		<title>By: ProtectYourBrand.eu &#187; Blog Archiv &#187; At YouTube, another day, another copyright battle (English only)</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-170284</link>
		<dc:creator>ProtectYourBrand.eu &#187; Blog Archiv &#187; At YouTube, another day, another copyright battle (English only)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;The smartest thing YouTube could do is just take all of Universal&#8217;s artists off and watch them scream when suddenly they&#8217;re not talked about and bought as much as their competitors. These dimwits just don&#8217;t get it: YouTube and MySpace and blogs and the internet are their new distribution and sales channels. Want to cut off your noses to spite your faces? Fine. Here&#8217;s the knife.&#8221; &#8211;Buzz Machine [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;The smartest thing YouTube could do is just take all of Universal&#8217;s artists off and watch them scream when suddenly they&#8217;re not talked about and bought as much as their competitors. These dimwits just don&#8217;t get it: YouTube and MySpace and blogs and the internet are their new distribution and sales channels. Want to cut off your noses to spite your faces? Fine. Here&#8217;s the knife.&#8221; &#8211;Buzz Machine [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ProtectYourBrand.com &#187; At YouTube, another day, another copyright battle (English only)</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-145484</link>
		<dc:creator>ProtectYourBrand.com &#187; At YouTube, another day, another copyright battle (English only)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;The smartest thing YouTube could do is just take all of Universal&#8217;s artists off and watch them scream when suddenly they&#8217;re not talked about and bought as much as their competitors. These dimwits just don&#8217;t get it: YouTube and MySpace and blogs and the internet are their new distribution and sales channels. Want to cut off your noses to spite your faces? Fine. Here&#8217;s the knife.&#8221; &#8211;Buzz Machine [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;The smartest thing YouTube could do is just take all of Universal&#8217;s artists off and watch them scream when suddenly they&#8217;re not talked about and bought as much as their competitors. These dimwits just don&#8217;t get it: YouTube and MySpace and blogs and the internet are their new distribution and sales channels. Want to cut off your noses to spite your faces? Fine. Here&#8217;s the knife.&#8221; &#8211;Buzz Machine [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Reid &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Have The Lunatics Taken Over The Asylum?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-143640</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Reid &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Have The Lunatics Taken Over The Asylum?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis, over at Buzz Machine, made a post titled Deaf and Dumb - reading through it I think I agree, he is. Quote: These dimwits (UMG and other music copyright holders) just donâ€™t get it: YouTube and MySpace and blogs and the internet are their new distribution and sales channels. Want to cut off your noses to spite your faces? Fine. Hereâ€™s the knife. This is your audience you want to attack, fool. They are marketing and distributing your music for you. Donâ€™t want them to? Fine. Plenty more where you came from. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis, over at Buzz Machine, made a post titled Deaf and Dumb - reading through it I think I agree, he is. Quote: These dimwits (UMG and other music copyright holders) just donâ€™t get it: YouTube and MySpace and blogs and the internet are their new distribution and sales channels. Want to cut off your noses to spite your faces? Fine. Hereâ€™s the knife. This is your audience you want to attack, fool. They are marketing and distributing your music for you. Donâ€™t want them to? Fine. Plenty more where you came from. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Dodds</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-136086</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dodds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"They are marketing and distributing your music for you. Donâ€™t want them to? Fine. Plenty more where you came from."

No there isn't - remove the copyright material from these sites and there's virtually nothing left. It's YouTube that has cut off its nose by not facing up to the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They are marketing and distributing your music for you. Donâ€™t want them to? Fine. Plenty more where you came from.&#8221;</p>
<p>No there isn&#8217;t - remove the copyright material from these sites and there&#8217;s virtually nothing left. It&#8217;s YouTube that has cut off its nose by not facing up to the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: RonP</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-136039</link>
		<dc:creator>RonP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>youtube is fun and interesting but it is about to be neutered ala napster.</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Karna</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-135760</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Karna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From fiveeight.net daily bulletin: 

Warner Music has become the first major label to formally license its content to YouTube. Last month, YouTube announced an advertising deal with Warner Music as the start-up's first partner for its new Brand Channel advertising to promote the new Paris Hilton album, this new deal will see video content from Warner artists available on the service and will allow  users to incorporate music from Warner's catalog into the videos they create and upload. Both parties will share revenue created by advertising, which will be featured around the videos. YouTube said it would use a new advanced content identification and royalty reporting system, set for release by the end of the year, to identify the music videos and help manage payment to the record labels. This announcement comes under a week after Universal Music's Doug Morris labeled YouTube "copyright infringers" who he said owe the music industry "tens of millions of dollars."
http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=CN&#38;storyID=2006-09-18T043049Z_01_N18228928_RTRIDST_0_TECH-YOUTUBE.XML&#38;rpc=66&#38;type=qcna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From fiveeight.net daily bulletin: </p>
<p>Warner Music has become the first major label to formally license its content to YouTube. Last month, YouTube announced an advertising deal with Warner Music as the start-up&#8217;s first partner for its new Brand Channel advertising to promote the new Paris Hilton album, this new deal will see video content from Warner artists available on the service and will allow  users to incorporate music from Warner&#8217;s catalog into the videos they create and upload. Both parties will share revenue created by advertising, which will be featured around the videos. YouTube said it would use a new advanced content identification and royalty reporting system, set for release by the end of the year, to identify the music videos and help manage payment to the record labels. This announcement comes under a week after Universal Music&#8217;s Doug Morris labeled YouTube &#8220;copyright infringers&#8221; who he said owe the music industry &#8220;tens of millions of dollars.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=CN&amp;storyID=2006-09-18T043049Z_01_N18228928_RTRIDST_0_TECH-YOUTUBE.XML&amp;rpc=66&amp;type=qcna" rel="nofollow">http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=CN&amp;storyID=2006-09-18T043049Z_01_N18228928_RTRIDST_0_TECH-YOUTUBE.XML&amp;rpc=66&amp;type=qcna</a></p>
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		<title>By: links for 2006-09-16 at spinme.com</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-133851</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2006-09-16 at spinme.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Deaf and dumb &#8220;Iâ€™d pay to see you face your artists â€” 50 Cent, Eminem, Elvis Costello, BB King, LL Cool J, Chris Rock, et al â€” and call them â€œsoftwareâ€ to their faces.&#8221; (tags: musicbusiness)                 Add to: Bloglines &#124; document.write("Del.icio.us") &#124; Digg it &#124; Y! MyWeb [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Karna</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-133543</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Karna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CG -  I think you're right in that this isn't purely a copy right issue and that promo clips are essentiallty just that.   

But labels build the brand of an artist and MTV/ You Tube/ My Space reap a lot of the financial rewards.   Obviously a label wants the videos to run as ads (and couldn't afford to buy the ad space for a video to play as much as high rotated video would) but at the moment labels pay Â£100k+ for a superstar artist's video (Timberlake/ Aguilera in your example) they give these to MTV/ MySpace to use drive traffic and ad revenue.  At least MTV pay a PRS rate to the artists when they play videos.  Not something My Space or You Tube do (MySpace may have permission to use the vid purely for promo but You Tube doesn't).  Labels are paying for the content that other companies business is built on.  They were stupid enough to fall for it with MTV, they're doing their best to get stung again in the same way

However, they continue to behave like spoiled children - there should be reciprocity, throwing toys out of the pram isn't the solution</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CG -  I think you&#8217;re right in that this isn&#8217;t purely a copy right issue and that promo clips are essentiallty just that.   </p>
<p>But labels build the brand of an artist and MTV/ You Tube/ My Space reap a lot of the financial rewards.   Obviously a label wants the videos to run as ads (and couldn&#8217;t afford to buy the ad space for a video to play as much as high rotated video would) but at the moment labels pay Â£100k+ for a superstar artist&#8217;s video (Timberlake/ Aguilera in your example) they give these to MTV/ MySpace to use drive traffic and ad revenue.  At least MTV pay a PRS rate to the artists when they play videos.  Not something My Space or You Tube do (MySpace may have permission to use the vid purely for promo but You Tube doesn&#8217;t).  Labels are paying for the content that other companies business is built on.  They were stupid enough to fall for it with MTV, they&#8217;re doing their best to get stung again in the same way</p>
<p>However, they continue to behave like spoiled children - there should be reciprocity, throwing toys out of the pram isn&#8217;t the solution</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Jive Interests &#187; The Chickens Have Come Home to Mooch &#8212; I Mean, Roost! &#8230; for MySpace, YouTube</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-133508</link>
		<dc:creator>Deep Jive Interests &#187; The Chickens Have Come Home to Mooch &#8212; I Mean, Roost! &#8230; for MySpace, YouTube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Finally! Rich irony aside, it looks like copyright litigators have cut their teeth suing the recently deceased and little ol&#8217; grannies with the RIAA, and have now moved on to a real challenge &#8212; some of the biggest heavyweights on the &#8216;net. And the blogosphere has taken notice.Â  Yes, with YouTube and MySpace on one side, and Universal on the other, this grudgematch currently looks like a handicap match, but will it move on to a battle royale? That is, for all you non-professsional wrestling fans &#8212; could this copyright contest look to envelop more music labels or even more web2.0 companies? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Finally! Rich irony aside, it looks like copyright litigators have cut their teeth suing the recently deceased and little ol&#8217; grannies with the RIAA, and have now moved on to a real challenge &#8212; some of the biggest heavyweights on the &#8216;net. And the blogosphere has taken notice.Â  Yes, with YouTube and MySpace on one side, and Universal on the other, this grudgematch currently looks like a handicap match, but will it move on to a battle royale? That is, for all you non-professsional wrestling fans &#8212; could this copyright contest look to envelop more music labels or even more web2.0 companies? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CG</title>
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		<dc:creator>CG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn't an issue about copyright.. but it does involve the economics of the business. This "software" (videos) are nothing more than advertisements for an artist's album. There is no other reason to make them. Without MTV playing these "ads" all day every day, hyping them on the hour, or the new internet distributor of videos YouTube, explain how they would get those lines around the block for that new Timberlake or Aguilera CD (not Universal artists, just examples).

I've seen some blogs that have been directly contacted by music companies - telling them to take down the videos on their sites - when the blogs are essentially promoting them for nothing. New artists that need the promotion.

That's what you want to do: tie the hands of the fans and the people able to distribute videos on a wide scale, because you see them making money from them. But what they've really done is create a central place to see the artists of ALL record companies (no one would watch a channel or visit a site that deals in a single company's artists.. it's too time consuming and confusing. "Who is that new artist signed to?")

And in the second case you tell the fans to stop talking about the music.. reason being.. greedy paranoia.

They might show it to friends and the friends will show it to friends and we won't collect a buck from any of them.

When you think of the video as a promotional tool for an artist, which it is.. this 'we must wrestle control of our videos' mindset is like telling people to talk about me only if I tell you to or if you pay me. 

That's the dumbest smart thing I've heard in awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t an issue about copyright.. but it does involve the economics of the business. This &#8220;software&#8221; (videos) are nothing more than advertisements for an artist&#8217;s album. There is no other reason to make them. Without MTV playing these &#8220;ads&#8221; all day every day, hyping them on the hour, or the new internet distributor of videos YouTube, explain how they would get those lines around the block for that new Timberlake or Aguilera CD (not Universal artists, just examples).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen some blogs that have been directly contacted by music companies - telling them to take down the videos on their sites - when the blogs are essentially promoting them for nothing. New artists that need the promotion.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what you want to do: tie the hands of the fans and the people able to distribute videos on a wide scale, because you see them making money from them. But what they&#8217;ve really done is create a central place to see the artists of ALL record companies (no one would watch a channel or visit a site that deals in a single company&#8217;s artists.. it&#8217;s too time consuming and confusing. &#8220;Who is that new artist signed to?&#8221;)</p>
<p>And in the second case you tell the fans to stop talking about the music.. reason being.. greedy paranoia.</p>
<p>They might show it to friends and the friends will show it to friends and we won&#8217;t collect a buck from any of them.</p>
<p>When you think of the video as a promotional tool for an artist, which it is.. this &#8216;we must wrestle control of our videos&#8217; mindset is like telling people to talk about me only if I tell you to or if you pay me. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the dumbest smart thing I&#8217;ve heard in awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: robhyndman.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Universal v. YouTube</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-133483</link>
		<dc:creator>robhyndman.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Universal v. YouTube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As we wait and see, the &#8217;sphere has gone wild, with the news bumping the Zune announcement off it&#8217;s lofty perch atop Techmeme.  Predictably, the backdrop is difficult negotiations between Universal and YouTube, a point made early on by Techdirt. Also predictably, the usual infringement sturm und drang (which Techdirt questions) from the content people predictably excludes any mention of the positive impact YouTube appearances have had on their content, and, as Jarvis pointedly mentions, is predictably oblivious of the opportunity they have here. (Lately I&#8217;m enjoying Jeff&#8217;s gift for aggressive alliteration as much as I am his ideas. &#8220;Numbnutty chatter&#8221;? More, please). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As we wait and see, the &#8217;sphere has gone wild, with the news bumping the Zune announcement off it&#8217;s lofty perch atop Techmeme.  Predictably, the backdrop is difficult negotiations between Universal and YouTube, a point made early on by Techdirt. Also predictably, the usual infringement sturm und drang (which Techdirt questions) from the content people predictably excludes any mention of the positive impact YouTube appearances have had on their content, and, as Jarvis pointedly mentions, is predictably oblivious of the opportunity they have here. (Lately I&#8217;m enjoying Jeff&#8217;s gift for aggressive alliteration as much as I am his ideas. &#8220;Numbnutty chatter&#8221;? More, please). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: One who knows copyrights</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-133467</link>
		<dc:creator>One who knows copyrights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

You ramblings are getting the better of your senses.  You neither understand the economics of the music business nor do you know copyright 101.  The more I hear your rants - the more it is obvious - your only interest is in getting some attention by saying something widly popular without any logic.   If you ever get around to it, sit with one of the people who sat on the Copyright Commison appointed by President Ford, and see where it all began - the Record Labels are not only right  about their thinking, it is the only way to protect the artists and their works under the LAWS OF THE LAND.   

The Major Record Labels are public corporations who have to answer to their shareholders on why thier assets are being degraded by some YouTube Superstar wanabee.... Ever hear of Shareholder Class Action Lawsuits for not managing a company's assets properly... I did not think you do.  Start with a Yahoo finance page... you might be enlightened!

As for capitalizing on Social Networks, there are initiatives already underway by the Record Labels to capitalize on the fan base in way that benefits not just the consumer, but the entire value chain.  And, of course by the time that happens you will have moved on to the next attention grabbing topic....and probably will not even make even one mention of this on your Buzz Machine - or is it "Rant Machine"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>You ramblings are getting the better of your senses.  You neither understand the economics of the music business nor do you know copyright 101.  The more I hear your rants - the more it is obvious - your only interest is in getting some attention by saying something widly popular without any logic.   If you ever get around to it, sit with one of the people who sat on the Copyright Commison appointed by President Ford, and see where it all began - the Record Labels are not only right  about their thinking, it is the only way to protect the artists and their works under the LAWS OF THE LAND.   </p>
<p>The Major Record Labels are public corporations who have to answer to their shareholders on why thier assets are being degraded by some YouTube Superstar wanabee&#8230;. Ever hear of Shareholder Class Action Lawsuits for not managing a company&#8217;s assets properly&#8230; I did not think you do.  Start with a Yahoo finance page&#8230; you might be enlightened!</p>
<p>As for capitalizing on Social Networks, there are initiatives already underway by the Record Labels to capitalize on the fan base in way that benefits not just the consumer, but the entire value chain.  And, of course by the time that happens you will have moved on to the next attention grabbing topic&#8230;.and probably will not even make even one mention of this on your Buzz Machine - or is it &#8220;Rant Machine&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Karna</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-133401</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Karna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"These dimwits just donâ€™t get it: YouTube and MySpace and blogs and the internet are their new distribution and sales channels."

Perhaps i'm thinking too narrowly about the music/ record industry

I'm not sure the myspace sales model works though, the 50/50 split for MP3s kinda works for garage bands/ electronica but so few bands come fully formed.  Labels (indie and major) spend a lot of money developing &#38; recording records (often waaaaay to much, so they're on a hiding to nothing from the start but thats another argument) palatable to the mass market.  News International/ Myspace take half the revenue from the sale, plus all the revenue from advertising which doesn't seem an equitable swap for the label or the artist.  

Big Media certainly needs to change its business plans; You Tube and My Space do represent excellent promotion and marketing (if not yet viable distribution and sales - its pretty difficult to equate my space "friends" to sales, and unproved how many of those friends will fork out hard earned if they have to pay for something) but in the flurry of excitement about user generated content and the ability to free up art its easy to over look where investment in new cultural capital will come from</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These dimwits just donâ€™t get it: YouTube and MySpace and blogs and the internet are their new distribution and sales channels.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps i&#8217;m thinking too narrowly about the music/ record industry</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure the myspace sales model works though, the 50/50 split for MP3s kinda works for garage bands/ electronica but so few bands come fully formed.  Labels (indie and major) spend a lot of money developing &amp; recording records (often waaaaay to much, so they&#8217;re on a hiding to nothing from the start but thats another argument) palatable to the mass market.  News International/ Myspace take half the revenue from the sale, plus all the revenue from advertising which doesn&#8217;t seem an equitable swap for the label or the artist.  </p>
<p>Big Media certainly needs to change its business plans; You Tube and My Space do represent excellent promotion and marketing (if not yet viable distribution and sales - its pretty difficult to equate my space &#8220;friends&#8221; to sales, and unproved how many of those friends will fork out hard earned if they have to pay for something) but in the flurry of excitement about user generated content and the ability to free up art its easy to over look where investment in new cultural capital will come from</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Web 2.0 Bill of Rights: free content, users control, Websites are public goods &#124; Digital Micro-Markets &#124; ZDNet.com</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-133374</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Web 2.0 Bill of Rights: free content, users control, Websites are public goods &#124; Digital Micro-Markets &#124; ZDNet.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis: These dimwits just don&#8217;t get it: YouTube and MySpace and blogs and the internet are their new distribution and sales channels. Want to cut off your noses to spite your faces? Fine. Here&#8217;s the knife. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis: These dimwits just don&rsquo;t get it: YouTube and MySpace and blogs and the internet are their new distribution and sales channels. Want to cut off your noses to spite your faces? Fine. Here&rsquo;s the knife. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/14/deaf-and-dumb/#comment-133361</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you don't mind, then, if I tape your CUNY lectures and post them to YouTube.</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Karna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Karna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one of the biggest fears of the music industry is that you tube, myspace, limewire etc make everyone a gatekeeper/ tastemaker - as soon as music (video, whatever) is posted people know pretty quickly if it's total shit.  The music industry has to rasie the bar.  This goes for everyone though, there'll be some disappointed indie bands out there who'll plan to make their millions selling through myspace without realising that it isn't "the man" preventing them hitting the big time but their ineptness.

Obviously the music industry continues to be its own worst enemy, and as great a promotional tool myspace and youtube are i can understand them/ the artists feeling like someone else is getting the fruit of their labours and making the advertising buck from it.  MTV built their empire on the back of convincing labels to spend big on lavish videos to give them value added to sell to advertisers and the industry is pretty bitter about it still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the biggest fears of the music industry is that you tube, myspace, limewire etc make everyone a gatekeeper/ tastemaker - as soon as music (video, whatever) is posted people know pretty quickly if it&#8217;s total shit.  The music industry has to rasie the bar.  This goes for everyone though, there&#8217;ll be some disappointed indie bands out there who&#8217;ll plan to make their millions selling through myspace without realising that it isn&#8217;t &#8220;the man&#8221; preventing them hitting the big time but their ineptness.</p>
<p>Obviously the music industry continues to be its own worst enemy, and as great a promotional tool myspace and youtube are i can understand them/ the artists feeling like someone else is getting the fruit of their labours and making the advertising buck from it.  MTV built their empire on the back of convincing labels to spend big on lavish videos to give them value added to sell to advertisers and the industry is pretty bitter about it still.</p>
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