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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Wordblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Moderate, don&#8217;t write leaders, Jarvis tells newspapers</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-170142</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Moderate, don&#8217;t write leaders, Jarvis tells newspapers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nearly a month ago when Jeff Jarvis suggested in a post on his Buzzmachine blog headed &#8220;The death of the editorialist&#8221; that leader writers were not needed in an &#8220;age of open media&#8221;, I disagreed with him. Today he returns to the subject in his New Media column in Media Guardian. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nearly a month ago when Jeff Jarvis suggested in a post on his Buzzmachine blog headed &#8220;The death of the editorialist&#8221; that leader writers were not needed in an &#8220;age of open media&#8221;, I disagreed with him. Today he returns to the subject in his New Media column in Media Guardian. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Opinionated</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-153801</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Opinionated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Not surprisingly, when I wrote about the value of editorialists today and cried, &#8216;Off with the headlines,&#8217; a few of them objected. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Web 2.0 Newspapers &#187; Jarvis&#8217; &#8216;Death of the Editorialist&#8217; and the Ghosts Fighting Inside His BuzzMachine</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-153409</link>
		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 Newspapers &#187; Jarvis&#8217; &#8216;Death of the Editorialist&#8217; and the Ghosts Fighting Inside His BuzzMachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis, proponent of networked journalism (and credited with creating it as an alternate to citizen journalism), says the editorialist is dead &#8212; long live the editorialist masses. From his post on the widely and well-read Buzzmachine:&#160; In this age of open media, when every voice and viewpoint can be heard, when news is analyzed and overanalyzed, and when we certainly are not suffering a shortage of opinion, do we need editorialists? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis, proponent of networked journalism (and credited with creating it as an alternate to citizen journalism), says the editorialist is dead &#8212; long live the editorialist masses. From his post on the widely and well-read Buzzmachine:&nbsp; In this age of open media, when every voice and viewpoint can be heard, when news is analyzed and overanalyzed, and when we certainly are not suffering a shortage of opinion, do we need editorialists? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Project Syndicate &#187; links for 2006-09-28</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-152188</link>
		<dc:creator>Project Syndicate &#187; links for 2006-09-28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» The death of the editorialist Jeff says everyone&#8217;s an editorialist today. (tags: Journalism blogs opinion editorials) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-151786</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 06:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When faced with a particularly beyond-the-pale editorial in the local (small-town) paper, I offered $100 to charity if the author would identify himself and consent to discuss its logic.
He declined to accept the offer (ident yes, discussion no) - but maybe something like this could be tried with other papers?
(I don't have a problem with newspapers' editorializing, I just wish they'd raise themselves up to blogger standards)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When faced with a particularly beyond-the-pale editorial in the local (small-town) paper, I offered $100 to charity if the author would identify himself and consent to discuss its logic.<br />
He declined to accept the offer (ident yes, discussion no) - but maybe something like this could be tried with other papers?<br />
(I don&#8217;t have a problem with newspapers&#8217; editorializing, I just wish they&#8217;d raise themselves up to blogger standards)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Blank: Publishing, Innovation and the Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Are Blogs &#38; Editorials the Same Thing?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-151228</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Blank: Publishing, Innovation and the Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Are Blogs &#38; Editorials the Same Thing?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 15:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis compares editorialists to bloggers: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Some Seppo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-149628</link>
		<dc:creator>Some Seppo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The good Op-Ed writers research a subject, give a thumbnail report, then write their opinion. The bad ones do only the former. The problem with the unsigned editorial is that if no one is to blame for the bad writing, bad thinking, bad logic, etc., then everyone is. 

My own paper The Nashville Tennessean, which I read daily, used the "No True Scotsman" fallacy just last week in an unsigned editorial, telling the reader that "surely no voter" can be for a 700-mile long border fence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The good Op-Ed writers research a subject, give a thumbnail report, then write their opinion. The bad ones do only the former. The problem with the unsigned editorial is that if no one is to blame for the bad writing, bad thinking, bad logic, etc., then everyone is. </p>
<p>My own paper The Nashville Tennessean, which I read daily, used the &#8220;No True Scotsman&#8221; fallacy just last week in an unsigned editorial, telling the reader that &#8220;surely no voter&#8221; can be for a 700-mile long border fence.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-149615</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! I saw your speech on ABC's Video Podcast and I fully agree with you. The media companies should instead use Internet rather than rejecting it. Why don't we see Online TV from the big companies yet? Because they are afraid that no-one would pay for cable. 

Anyhow, great blog you have!

/Alexander</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! I saw your speech on ABC&#8217;s Video Podcast and I fully agree with you. The media companies should instead use Internet rather than rejecting it. Why don&#8217;t we see Online TV from the big companies yet? Because they are afraid that no-one would pay for cable. </p>
<p>Anyhow, great blog you have!</p>
<p>/Alexander</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-149449</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>foo, the problem with the NYT's editorial page is that it has seeped onto Page One the past five years.   Or haven't you noticed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>foo, the problem with the NYT&#8217;s editorial page is that it has seeped onto Page One the past five years.   Or haven&#8217;t you noticed?</p>
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		<title>By: AlFromChicago</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-149292</link>
		<dc:creator>AlFromChicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff --

I know you know about RealClearPolitics -- how can you not mention it in your post?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com -- that's what we DO!  We take the top 21 editorials every day, most by people a few by editorial boards - provide a filter, and that's our home page.

I agree that people should sign the corporate editorials, but we're doing it -- and people must like it as we did about 10MM page views last month and we'll do over 12 this month -- and the mainstream media gets our value as we have deals with most of them in some form or another.  I think you should take another look at the site and tell us how it fits in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211;</p>
<p>I know you know about RealClearPolitics &#8212; how can you not mention it in your post?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com</a> &#8212; that&#8217;s what we DO!  We take the top 21 editorials every day, most by people a few by editorial boards - provide a filter, and that&#8217;s our home page.</p>
<p>I agree that people should sign the corporate editorials, but we&#8217;re doing it &#8212; and people must like it as we did about 10MM page views last month and we&#8217;ll do over 12 this month &#8212; and the mainstream media gets our value as we have deals with most of them in some form or another.  I think you should take another look at the site and tell us how it fits in.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Busfield</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-149129</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Busfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very few leader writers (as we call them in England) solely write Editorials. They often write op-ed pieces too, or report. And if they are solely leader writers, it is usually for a short stint. I have never been one myself, indeed I'm not sure that I could do it, but there is a skill to corralling ideas and information and then putting forward an opinion that isn't necessarily one that you hold.
Undoubtedly, as you say, conversation with readers on Commentisfree has widened the debate and introduced new ideas. But, if you are an organisation that is trusted, and I sincerely hope that the Guardian is, then I believe that people want to know what that organisation thinks. If a trusted organisation is willing to express its opinion it is surely of some help to the reader in a world where there are billions of voices and it is hard to know which of them you should trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very few leader writers (as we call them in England) solely write Editorials. They often write op-ed pieces too, or report. And if they are solely leader writers, it is usually for a short stint. I have never been one myself, indeed I&#8217;m not sure that I could do it, but there is a skill to corralling ideas and information and then putting forward an opinion that isn&#8217;t necessarily one that you hold.<br />
Undoubtedly, as you say, conversation with readers on Commentisfree has widened the debate and introduced new ideas. But, if you are an organisation that is trusted, and I sincerely hope that the Guardian is, then I believe that people want to know what that organisation thinks. If a trusted organisation is willing to express its opinion it is surely of some help to the reader in a world where there are billions of voices and it is hard to know which of them you should trust.</p>
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		<title>By: foo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-149101</link>
		<dc:creator>foo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It still seems to me that the NY Times op-ed page is one of the most important pages in a newspaper. It is populated by thought leaders and engages the public in some of the most thought provoking topics around. For sure blogs are similar but they do not have the biggest microphone to shape the debate as important editorial pages can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It still seems to me that the NY Times op-ed page is one of the most important pages in a newspaper. It is populated by thought leaders and engages the public in some of the most thought provoking topics around. For sure blogs are similar but they do not have the biggest microphone to shape the debate as important editorial pages can.</p>
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		<title>By: paradox1x</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-148976</link>
		<dc:creator>paradox1x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;If you believe in The Long Tail, then stop saying the web is "flat" okay?&lt;/strong&gt;

There are those that want to believe that in life, skill and good works are all it should take. That...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>If you believe in The Long Tail, then stop saying the web is &#8220;flat&#8221; okay?</strong></p>
<p>There are those that want to believe that in life, skill and good works are all it should take. That&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: steve baker</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-148515</link>
		<dc:creator>steve baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One big problem with editorials is that they're boring. With the exception of a few, they try not to offend and to be reasonable and uphold civic values. They read as if they've been vetted through a committee. I say away with them. Many good writers work on them. Give the good ones their names over a column, their voice and yes, a blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One big problem with editorials is that they&#8217;re boring. With the exception of a few, they try not to offend and to be reasonable and uphold civic values. They read as if they&#8217;ve been vetted through a committee. I say away with them. Many good writers work on them. Give the good ones their names over a column, their voice and yes, a blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey Exile</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-148504</link>
		<dc:creator>Jersey Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Forking" a wiki is antithetical to the whole open-source enterprise, because it makes an editorial presupposition that there are always (or only!) two sides to a story.  Should we fork any discussion of evolution while we're at it?  Perhaps the flat-earthers can also get their own wiki as well.  The truth is often messy and contested, but forcing discussions into false dichotomies doesn't help anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Forking&#8221; a wiki is antithetical to the whole open-source enterprise, because it makes an editorial presupposition that there are always (or only!) two sides to a story.  Should we fork any discussion of evolution while we&#8217;re at it?  Perhaps the flat-earthers can also get their own wiki as well.  The truth is often messy and contested, but forcing discussions into false dichotomies doesn&#8217;t help anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-148217</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like an articulate and well reasoned signed editorial.  In one sense, that's where good journalism shines.  The world's awash in insipid, poorly crafted and often erroneous news items fresh off of the wires.  Editorials serve as a starting point for public debate.  

Now, would I love it if the best syndicated editorialists had blogs, you bet. 

Mark Steyn has a website. Every week he answers with much time and effort his mail.  But, then, he's a more of a populist and has never been formally trained with the us vs them journalism school attitude.

Without the unsigned editorial we would never get a glimpse into the political leanings of a news organization, what agenda they are advancing and what is being under-reported or omitted.  We need that information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like an articulate and well reasoned signed editorial.  In one sense, that&#8217;s where good journalism shines.  The world&#8217;s awash in insipid, poorly crafted and often erroneous news items fresh off of the wires.  Editorials serve as a starting point for public debate.  </p>
<p>Now, would I love it if the best syndicated editorialists had blogs, you bet. </p>
<p>Mark Steyn has a website. Every week he answers with much time and effort his mail.  But, then, he&#8217;s a more of a populist and has never been formally trained with the us vs them journalism school attitude.</p>
<p>Without the unsigned editorial we would never get a glimpse into the political leanings of a news organization, what agenda they are advancing and what is being under-reported or omitted.  We need that information.</p>
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		<title>By: chico haas</title>
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		<dc:creator>chico haas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Signed editorials are unnecessary because newspaper editorials represent the view of the newspaper, not of an individual. Hence, the oft-used terminology: the editorial "we."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Signed editorials are unnecessary because newspaper editorials represent the view of the newspaper, not of an individual. Hence, the oft-used terminology: the editorial &#8220;we.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Salman FF</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-148095</link>
		<dc:creator>Salman FF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt; The Editorialist is dead. Long live the editorialists. &lt;/strong&gt;

You start by saying that we donâ€™t need Editorialists and end by calling for a change in the Editorialists ways â€“ in a way, the proliferation of blogs just shows that we are craving more editorialists, not less â€“ but we want more transparency, more conversation, more choice, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong> The Editorialist is dead. Long live the editorialists. </strong></p>
<p>You start by saying that we donâ€™t need Editorialists and end by calling for a change in the Editorialists ways â€“ in a way, the proliferation of blogs just shows that we are craving more editorialists, not less â€“ but we want more transparency, more conversation, more choice, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Phelan</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-147903</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Phelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Far more words than are really needed (print publication with a predefined "hole" size, right?"

Just tell them:

"What you have been historically paid to do, thousands of bloggers are now doing for free, and their product is at least as good as yours.  The long term implications are self-evident.  So buy yourself a copy of "The Rainbow Parachute" and start figuring out what your next career is going to be."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Far more words than are really needed (print publication with a predefined &#8220;hole&#8221; size, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>Just tell them:</p>
<p>&#8220;What you have been historically paid to do, thousands of bloggers are now doing for free, and their product is at least as good as yours.  The long term implications are self-evident.  So buy yourself a copy of &#8220;The Rainbow Parachute&#8221; and start figuring out what your next career is going to be.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mamutong &#187; The Affront of the Editorial</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-147623</link>
		<dc:creator>Mamutong &#187; The Affront of the Editorial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sometimes the obviousness of the sun and the moon and a thunderclap hit you over the head like a sledgehammer and you wonder still where they came from. Jeff Jarvis puts the obvious into words: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wordblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In defence of the editorial</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/09/27/the-death-of-the-editorialist/#comment-147545</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In defence of the editorial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis, the high priest of what he now calls &#8220;networked journalism&#8221;, believes the leader column is as &#8220;outmoded as the medium&#8221;. Being a believer in collaboration, The death of the editorialist, at BuzzMachine is a sort of draft encyclical in which he shares his thoughts before writing his definitive opinion. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis, the high priest of what he now calls &#8220;networked journalism&#8221;, believes the leader column is as &#8220;outmoded as the medium&#8221;. Being a believer in collaboration, The death of the editorialist, at BuzzMachine is a sort of draft encyclical in which he shares his thoughts before writing his definitive opinion. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Beta Alfa 2.0 &#187; RedaktÃ¶rer fÃ¥r skola om sig till moderatorer?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beta Alfa 2.0 &#187; RedaktÃ¶rer fÃ¥r skola om sig till moderatorer?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Old Grouch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Grouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Para 6:  "rationale" perhaps should be "rational" (i.e., adj. "reasonable" rather than n. "explanation")?

Bart, IMO Jeff's position is that since opinion is now a commodity, why waste scarce resources to produce it?  Especially since "comment is free:" Why pay for it? ;-)

[snark] Used to be we relied on the editorial page to tell us what to think, so we didn't have to.  [/snark]  Now we've discovered that the folks writing the editorials often aren't that much smarter (or more knowledgeable) than the first fifty bloggers listed at TTLB.

Rick:  &lt;em&gt;"...the days when a knowledgeable respected journalist, with a long-running commitment to the community, could call the mayor or school board or county commission on the carpet for corruption or stupidity with an authority greater than a lone citizen sounding off to his email list are, in most places, long past."&lt;/em&gt;

I wish my local paper hadn't "outsized" all of its "knowledgeable, respected journalists."  All it has left are new j-school graduates whose lack of understanding (and institutional memory) of the community they're trying to report on is endlessly astounding.  (And the &lt;a href="http://www.pseudodictionary.com/word.php?id=473" rel="nofollow"&gt;bungee-boss&lt;/a&gt; management provided by the out-of-town ownership is no better.)  They have no "authority."  The emperor has no clothes.  Might as well recognize it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Para 6:  &#8220;rationale&#8221; perhaps should be &#8220;rational&#8221; (i.e., adj. &#8220;reasonable&#8221; rather than n. &#8220;explanation&#8221;)?</p>
<p>Bart, IMO Jeff&#8217;s position is that since opinion is now a commodity, why waste scarce resources to produce it?  Especially since &#8220;comment is free:&#8221; Why pay for it? <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>[snark] Used to be we relied on the editorial page to tell us what to think, so we didn&#8217;t have to.  [/snark]  Now we&#8217;ve discovered that the folks writing the editorials often aren&#8217;t that much smarter (or more knowledgeable) than the first fifty bloggers listed at TTLB.</p>
<p>Rick:  <em>&#8220;&#8230;the days when a knowledgeable respected journalist, with a long-running commitment to the community, could call the mayor or school board or county commission on the carpet for corruption or stupidity with an authority greater than a lone citizen sounding off to his email list are, in most places, long past.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I wish my local paper hadn&#8217;t &#8220;outsized&#8221; all of its &#8220;knowledgeable, respected journalists.&#8221;  All it has left are new j-school graduates whose lack of understanding (and institutional memory) of the community they&#8217;re trying to report on is endlessly astounding.  (And the <a href="http://www.pseudodictionary.com/word.php?id=473" rel="nofollow">bungee-boss</a> management provided by the out-of-town ownership is no better.)  They have no &#8220;authority.&#8221;  The emperor has no clothes.  Might as well recognize it.</p>
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		<title>By: Grayson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much!</description>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me, asking "who cares what newspaper editorial writers think?" is akin to asking "who cares what bloggers think?" An editorial is just another dollop of opinion -- why try to de-legitimize it? Yes, it's unsigned, as are many blogs, and most comments on blogs, but the editorial page editor and, by extension, the ownership and management of the newspaper, take responsibility for it. That bestows a limited amount of credibility on it, but it doesn't require any reader to agree or even pay attention.

As for the suggestion that editorialists make room for other voices, who do you think fills the rest of the opinion pages with letters and columns? Editorial page editors (like me) take our responsibilities as forum facilitators as seriously as our own opinions. Most bloggers feel no obligation to make room on their sites for diverse opinions. Editorial page editors do.

For those who wish editorial writers would just go away, consider it granted. Look beyond the major metros to the small town dailies and weeklies. They've been dropping their editorials, and their editorial pages, for the last 25 years. Some still carry letters to the editor, but the days when a knowledgeable respected journalist, with a long-running commitment to the community, could call the mayor or school board or county commission on the carpet for corruption or stupidity with an authority greater than a lone citizen sounding off to his email list are, in most places, long past. Editorials, editorialists and editorial pages are already dying, early victims of the withering of the newspaper industry. Feel better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me, asking &#8220;who cares what newspaper editorial writers think?&#8221; is akin to asking &#8220;who cares what bloggers think?&#8221; An editorial is just another dollop of opinion &#8212; why try to de-legitimize it? Yes, it&#8217;s unsigned, as are many blogs, and most comments on blogs, but the editorial page editor and, by extension, the ownership and management of the newspaper, take responsibility for it. That bestows a limited amount of credibility on it, but it doesn&#8217;t require any reader to agree or even pay attention.</p>
<p>As for the suggestion that editorialists make room for other voices, who do you think fills the rest of the opinion pages with letters and columns? Editorial page editors (like me) take our responsibilities as forum facilitators as seriously as our own opinions. Most bloggers feel no obligation to make room on their sites for diverse opinions. Editorial page editors do.</p>
<p>For those who wish editorial writers would just go away, consider it granted. Look beyond the major metros to the small town dailies and weeklies. They&#8217;ve been dropping their editorials, and their editorial pages, for the last 25 years. Some still carry letters to the editor, but the days when a knowledgeable respected journalist, with a long-running commitment to the community, could call the mayor or school board or county commission on the carpet for corruption or stupidity with an authority greater than a lone citizen sounding off to his email list are, in most places, long past. Editorials, editorialists and editorial pages are already dying, early victims of the withering of the newspaper industry. Feel better?</p>
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