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		<title>By: Citizen Journalism: Threat or Menace? (an occasional series) [Karl]</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-365217</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen Journalism: Threat or Menace? (an occasional series) [Karl]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] television news and newspapers has dropped across the board since 2001?Â  What should he infer from consistent polling data over time ranking the trustworthiness of journalists just ahead of lawyers and just behind used-car [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Web 2.0 Newspapers &#187; NYTimes Editorial Page to Grow Web Content &#8230; But How Free Will Comment Be?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-160643</link>
		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 Newspapers &#187; NYTimes Editorial Page to Grow Web Content &#8230; But How Free Will Comment Be?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But this takes us back to the debate Jeff Jarvis stirred up regarding the &quot;death of the editorialist&quot;, and in fact Rosenthal seems to promise what Jarvis suggests such pages need to to do survive: &quot;We&#039;d like to look at ways we can use our online opinion pages to start conversations,&quot; says Rosenthal  in Editor and Publisher. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But this takes us back to the debate Jeff Jarvis stirred up regarding the &quot;death of the editorialist&quot;, and in fact Rosenthal seems to promise what Jarvis suggests such pages need to to do survive: &quot;We&#39;d like to look at ways we can use our online opinion pages to start conversations,&quot; says Rosenthal  in Editor and Publisher. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Web 2.0 Newspapers &#187; More Jarvis, More Editorialist Debates, More Web2.0Newspaper Bloggery (&#8230;and a bit more downtime)</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-158529</link>
		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 Newspapers &#187; More Jarvis, More Editorialist Debates, More Web2.0Newspaper Bloggery (&#8230;and a bit more downtime)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After I linked to the buzzing on Buzzmachine via Jeff Jarvis&#039;&#160; controversial post on the death of the editorialist (previous post), a new post emerged furthering the debate , though of course most of Jarvis&#039; commenters agree with him. The majority of Jarvis&#039; detractors were newspaper men whom, he notes, didn&#039;t respond in the kind of all-access public forum as a blog provides (i.e. columns blocked by &quot;pay walls&quot;), and few (if any) posted their comments to Buzzmachine. The buzzing convo speaks for itself, with great comments like this insight from Buzzmachine reader &quot;Guy Love&quot;: Two comments from those who responded to Jeff struck me as summing up the attitude that is going to eventually take out the institutional news empire of the old media. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After I linked to the buzzing on Buzzmachine via Jeff Jarvis&#39;&nbsp; controversial post on the death of the editorialist (previous post), a new post emerged furthering the debate , though of course most of Jarvis&#39; commenters agree with him. The majority of Jarvis&#39; detractors were newspaper men whom, he notes, didn&#39;t respond in the kind of all-access public forum as a blog provides (i.e. columns blocked by &quot;pay walls&quot;), and few (if any) posted their comments to Buzzmachine. The buzzing convo speaks for itself, with great comments like this insight from Buzzmachine reader &quot;Guy Love&quot;: Two comments from those who responded to Jeff struck me as summing up the attitude that is going to eventually take out the institutional news empire of the old media. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hey</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-155632</link>
		<dc:creator>hey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a coward, but I&#039;m a coward with a purpose. I&#039;m not entirely sure where I&#039;m headed, nor am I entirely sure of how, and I don&#039;t want to irrevocably committ myself to my opinions at this point. It&#039;s so easy to get enervated online and to support rather forthright positions in strong language (or simply just screw up your typing), and google et al are forever. Everything you ever do online is forever, and will follow you everywhere you go. It is thus a very good idea for people who are still working things out to use anonymity and pseudonymity to explore and expound on their positions.

It also helps to go after powerful people you deal with or may have to deal with. We are all petty, vicious folk, and pseudonymity allows one to isolate social, business, and political spheres for the overall profit of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a coward, but I&#8217;m a coward with a purpose. I&#8217;m not entirely sure where I&#8217;m headed, nor am I entirely sure of how, and I don&#8217;t want to irrevocably committ myself to my opinions at this point. It&#8217;s so easy to get enervated online and to support rather forthright positions in strong language (or simply just screw up your typing), and google et al are forever. Everything you ever do online is forever, and will follow you everywhere you go. It is thus a very good idea for people who are still working things out to use anonymity and pseudonymity to explore and expound on their positions.</p>
<p>It also helps to go after powerful people you deal with or may have to deal with. We are all petty, vicious folk, and pseudonymity allows one to isolate social, business, and political spheres for the overall profit of all.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-155064</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bravo Kate!  and a nice explication of the issues and concerns involved in actually doing this.</description>
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		<title>By: chico haas</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-154889</link>
		<dc:creator>chico haas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody know the racial breakdown of &quot;current events&quot; bloggers?</description>
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		<title>By: afield</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-154730</link>
		<dc:creator>afield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bravo, bravo!</description>
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		<title>By: David Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-154647</link>
		<dc:creator>David Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo Jeff! Well said. There was a time, not too long ago, when a group of old white guys made up our minds for us, even told us how to vote. Having done the homework none of us had the time nor perhaps the ability to do and blessed with the gifts of context, perspective and insight far beyond the grasp of mortals they handed down the proper decision. That they still wish to maintain control of the conversation (deciding which letters get published and how via editing) is one of the first signs of denial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo Jeff! Well said. There was a time, not too long ago, when a group of old white guys made up our minds for us, even told us how to vote. Having done the homework none of us had the time nor perhaps the ability to do and blessed with the gifts of context, perspective and insight far beyond the grasp of mortals they handed down the proper decision. That they still wish to maintain control of the conversation (deciding which letters get published and how via editing) is one of the first signs of denial.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Hyde</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-154578</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We are individuals just as editorial writers are individuals and we either have talent and intelligence and credibility and openness and generosity or we do not.&quot;

Jeff: good point and pretty helpful too. I guess I&#039;m one of the editorialists to whom your advice is addressed, being editor of a new multi-voiced blog for a media company. (The Cluetrain and your blog are great supports b.t.w.)

Speaking as one of the people stepping up the the mantle (http://fifthestate.co.uk/author/katehyde/), let me say achieving what you propose is a really tough - sometimes terrifying - move to pull off successfully. It&#039;s just not a case of lacking &#039;cowardice&#039;; it requires a determination (almost recklessness!) to push through the the established culture of anonymous editorials from traditional media companies.

As editor for a blog hosted by an institution you must to some extent represent the voice of that place, but of course, by definition, your voice is yours and yours alone (hence in my case my really emabarassing photo to ID me); honesty and integrity is everything. 

Being brazen and free sounds great until you realise the MD and the communications dept are scrutinising your every word. 

But you&#039;re right; you can&#039;t expect people to engage with you if you don&#039;t with them, and evolution of the editorial is crucial. 3 days in to the job, the jury&#039;s out whether I&#039;ve succeeded or am headed for a P45 for speaking my mind, but you&#039;ll see from the manifesto, we&#039;re at least trying.  (I use the &#039;we&#039; with justification here - it&#039;s a group effort)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We are individuals just as editorial writers are individuals and we either have talent and intelligence and credibility and openness and generosity or we do not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jeff: good point and pretty helpful too. I guess I&#8217;m one of the editorialists to whom your advice is addressed, being editor of a new multi-voiced blog for a media company. (The Cluetrain and your blog are great supports b.t.w.)</p>
<p>Speaking as one of the people stepping up the the mantle (<a href="http://fifthestate.co.uk/author/katehyde/" rel="nofollow">http://fifthestate.co.uk/author/katehyde/</a>), let me say achieving what you propose is a really tough &#8211; sometimes terrifying &#8211; move to pull off successfully. It&#8217;s just not a case of lacking &#8216;cowardice&#8217;; it requires a determination (almost recklessness!) to push through the the established culture of anonymous editorials from traditional media companies.</p>
<p>As editor for a blog hosted by an institution you must to some extent represent the voice of that place, but of course, by definition, your voice is yours and yours alone (hence in my case my really emabarassing photo to ID me); honesty and integrity is everything. </p>
<p>Being brazen and free sounds great until you realise the MD and the communications dept are scrutinising your every word. </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right; you can&#8217;t expect people to engage with you if you don&#8217;t with them, and evolution of the editorial is crucial. 3 days in to the job, the jury&#8217;s out whether I&#8217;ve succeeded or am headed for a P45 for speaking my mind, but you&#8217;ll see from the manifesto, we&#8217;re at least trying.  (I use the &#8216;we&#8217; with justification here &#8211; it&#8217;s a group effort)</p>
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		<title>By: The other Royal â€œWeâ€ &#171; Digital Lantern</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-154358</link>
		<dc:creator>The other Royal â€œWeâ€ &#171; Digital Lantern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 03:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The erudite but turgid writings on the topic of editorialists, (a critique of â€œofficially empoweredâ€ owner/writers and any other possible voice championed by Interneters) deserves a more forthright sounding. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The erudite but turgid writings on the topic of editorialists, (a critique of â€œofficially empoweredâ€ owner/writers and any other possible voice championed by Interneters) deserves a more forthright sounding. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-154297</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;The Philadelphia Inquirerâ€™s â€œinstitutional voiceâ€ convinced me that their â€œinstitutionâ€ was broken and could safely be ignored.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

nicely put, Undertoad.

&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;Partsch goes on to continue his criticism of too many editorials, badly done, and says that some are so bad they might as well be abandoned to try something new.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

What will be the agent of these editorials&#039; abandonment?  Who, with control of that space, would voluntarily give it up?

I&#039;m told the Inuit refer to the wolf as &quot;the knife that carves the caribou&quot;; what will carve the editorials?

Answers: accountability, and exposure to the battle of ideas.  If the writer doesn&#039;t have to show himself or defend his reasoning, the prospects for improvement are dubious.
(yeah, I&#039;m using &quot;him&quot; as a bit of an insult here; women I think would not be so fearful)

&quot;As long as the editorials are poorly reasoned, suspiciously motivated tracts lobbed down from the castle parapets, the townsfolk will rightly view the paper with mistrust&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;The Philadelphia Inquirerâ€™s â€œinstitutional voiceâ€ convinced me that their â€œinstitutionâ€ was broken and could safely be ignored.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>nicely put, Undertoad.</p>
<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;Partsch goes on to continue his criticism of too many editorials, badly done, and says that some are so bad they might as well be abandoned to try something new.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>What will be the agent of these editorials&#8217; abandonment?  Who, with control of that space, would voluntarily give it up?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m told the Inuit refer to the wolf as &#8220;the knife that carves the caribou&#8221;; what will carve the editorials?</p>
<p>Answers: accountability, and exposure to the battle of ideas.  If the writer doesn&#8217;t have to show himself or defend his reasoning, the prospects for improvement are dubious.<br />
(yeah, I&#8217;m using &#8220;him&#8221; as a bit of an insult here; women I think would not be so fearful)</p>
<p>&#8220;As long as the editorials are poorly reasoned, suspiciously motivated tracts lobbed down from the castle parapets, the townsfolk will rightly view the paper with mistrust&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-154074</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...&quot; a blogger speaks only for herself. Her online opinion is indistinguishable, in substance, from a shout in the crowd, and the posts proclaiming agreement no different from other shouts in the crowd......But as a potential replacement, blogging is an imperfect candidate. A blog entry is no more an editorial than is graffiti....&lt;/i&gt;

If bloggers are so inconsequential, then, why does Frank Partsch feel so compelled to respond to one? I have to assume that the irony is totally missed on him.  I doubt that he has very much experience with the bloggers.

I would direct him to the Belmont Club, which on some topics have had many hundreds of comments, comments of quality and thoughtfulness. Maybe he should scurry over to the Brussels Journal covering the EU or a Canadian blog, Small Dead Animals........I could name many more sites in cyberspace, as can most of us, where intelligent content and commentary by citizens is gratifyingly democratic, intelligent and, most importantly, interactive.  Not that there aren&#039;t site with drive-by grafiti, but, that&#039;s ok too.  The content on tv and in print isn&#039;t that great.

Could Frank Partsch point to a place in the MSM universe where this discussion could be held without censorship and immediate access?

He can&#039;t, because there isn&#039;t, and never will be.  Ironic, isn&#039;t it, that Partsch&#039;s piece was behind a paid wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;&#8221; a blogger speaks only for herself. Her online opinion is indistinguishable, in substance, from a shout in the crowd, and the posts proclaiming agreement no different from other shouts in the crowd&#8230;&#8230;But as a potential replacement, blogging is an imperfect candidate. A blog entry is no more an editorial than is graffiti&#8230;.</i></p>
<p>If bloggers are so inconsequential, then, why does Frank Partsch feel so compelled to respond to one? I have to assume that the irony is totally missed on him.  I doubt that he has very much experience with the bloggers.</p>
<p>I would direct him to the Belmont Club, which on some topics have had many hundreds of comments, comments of quality and thoughtfulness. Maybe he should scurry over to the Brussels Journal covering the EU or a Canadian blog, Small Dead Animals&#8230;&#8230;..I could name many more sites in cyberspace, as can most of us, where intelligent content and commentary by citizens is gratifyingly democratic, intelligent and, most importantly, interactive.  Not that there aren&#8217;t site with drive-by grafiti, but, that&#8217;s ok too.  The content on tv and in print isn&#8217;t that great.</p>
<p>Could Frank Partsch point to a place in the MSM universe where this discussion could be held without censorship and immediate access?</p>
<p>He can&#8217;t, because there isn&#8217;t, and never will be.  Ironic, isn&#8217;t it, that Partsch&#8217;s piece was behind a paid wall.</p>
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		<title>By: John Davidson</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-154070</link>
		<dc:creator>John Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only people who trust what the New York Times Editorial Board has to say are the people who agree with it. 

The only reason that editorials survived and prospered over the years was because there was no mechanism to adequately contest them. Technology has exposed editorial boards for their biases, their lapses of judgment, and their inaccuracies. It is the height of arrogance to suggest that the Editorial and Op-Ed pages are more important to a daily newspaper than actual news; you think there&#039;s a reason all those Very Important Institutional Pieces are never crowded by display advertising on the page?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only people who trust what the New York Times Editorial Board has to say are the people who agree with it. </p>
<p>The only reason that editorials survived and prospered over the years was because there was no mechanism to adequately contest them. Technology has exposed editorial boards for their biases, their lapses of judgment, and their inaccuracies. It is the height of arrogance to suggest that the Editorial and Op-Ed pages are more important to a daily newspaper than actual news; you think there&#8217;s a reason all those Very Important Institutional Pieces are never crowded by display advertising on the page?</p>
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		<title>By: Cornelius Puschmann</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-154069</link>
		<dc:creator>Cornelius Puschmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, wonderful. We begin with a technological innovation and the result is the demolition of obsolete institutions (not the first time that this happens, either). The thing is, one could argue that the function of these institutions was originally nothing more than to overcome certain limitations - can&#039;t publish a paper on your own, right? All these wonderful powers that journalists cite - how their institutions &quot;shape the agenda&quot; and &quot;inform the public&quot; - are nothing more but by-products.

An institution may have authority, but it is not trusted.

An institution may broadcast a message but it cannot have a conversation with you.

We are finding the limits of a deficient form that was born out of necessity. And now we&#039;re unlimiting ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, wonderful. We begin with a technological innovation and the result is the demolition of obsolete institutions (not the first time that this happens, either). The thing is, one could argue that the function of these institutions was originally nothing more than to overcome certain limitations &#8211; can&#8217;t publish a paper on your own, right? All these wonderful powers that journalists cite &#8211; how their institutions &#8220;shape the agenda&#8221; and &#8220;inform the public&#8221; &#8211; are nothing more but by-products.</p>
<p>An institution may have authority, but it is not trusted.</p>
<p>An institution may broadcast a message but it cannot have a conversation with you.</p>
<p>We are finding the limits of a deficient form that was born out of necessity. And now we&#8217;re unlimiting ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: chico haas</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-154050</link>
		<dc:creator>chico haas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is arrogant to assume your fellow citizens are not capable of processing ideas signed or unsigned, in letters two days old or in real-time, or that they can&#039;t include newspapers, blogs, books and magazines in their reading rotation. People read what&#039;s interesting, regardless of its delivery system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is arrogant to assume your fellow citizens are not capable of processing ideas signed or unsigned, in letters two days old or in real-time, or that they can&#8217;t include newspapers, blogs, books and magazines in their reading rotation. People read what&#8217;s interesting, regardless of its delivery system.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Love</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-153875</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two comments from those who responded to Jeff struck me as summing up the attitude that is going to eventually take out the institutional news empire of the old media.

1.  &quot;Is there a difference between the voice of John685@blogoworld.net (my apologies if there is one) and the voice of the New York Times? You bet â€” itâ€™s the New York Times.&quot;

2.  &quot;The strength of newspaper editorial pages lies less in what we say on any given subject on any given day than it does in how we shape the community agenda over time.&quot;

The first comment shows the disdain of the old media to the new media.  They just can&#039;t stand the fact that they are no longer the only game in town.  All their money, all their power, and all their influence can be swept away by a guy in his pajamas and a keyboard (ala Drudge runs with the Monica story which Newsweek had been sitting on for months).  How can they ever learn to change if they disregard the very thing that is making them obsolete?

This leads to the second comment which shows that they consider it a strength to shape the community agenda over time.  In this age of individual opinion, I consider it a major weakness of old media that they bow down before their corporate masters and only run what the publisher allows.  Corporate held media empires seem more driven by shaping community agendas than providing informative news.  You can quickly determine their bias by the facts they conveniently omit in their pursuit to shape our opinion.  Quite frankly it smacks of endless propaganda vs. informative news.  Thus the editor sitting up in the ivory tower scheming to shape the community agenda over time gets ignored over the individual blogger.  This misconception of the instituitional corporate voice being a strength seems deeply rooted in their world view.  Who really needs to absorb more slick PR and marketing and spin in today&#039;s time?  Who really needs more consistent groupthink of the same opinion repeated over and over?

Finally, letters to the Op/Ed page has got to be the lamest defense of why they don&#039;t need to blog or interact.  By the time the letter is published the Op/Ed is long forgotten and yesterday&#039;s news.  This makes them appear out of touch and clueless and extremely dated.  Why is it so hard for them to understand that people want real time feedback?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two comments from those who responded to Jeff struck me as summing up the attitude that is going to eventually take out the institutional news empire of the old media.</p>
<p>1.  &#8220;Is there a difference between the voice of <a href="mailto:John685@blogoworld.net">John685@blogoworld.net</a> (my apologies if there is one) and the voice of the New York Times? You bet â€” itâ€™s the New York Times.&#8221;</p>
<p>2.  &#8220;The strength of newspaper editorial pages lies less in what we say on any given subject on any given day than it does in how we shape the community agenda over time.&#8221;</p>
<p>The first comment shows the disdain of the old media to the new media.  They just can&#8217;t stand the fact that they are no longer the only game in town.  All their money, all their power, and all their influence can be swept away by a guy in his pajamas and a keyboard (ala Drudge runs with the Monica story which Newsweek had been sitting on for months).  How can they ever learn to change if they disregard the very thing that is making them obsolete?</p>
<p>This leads to the second comment which shows that they consider it a strength to shape the community agenda over time.  In this age of individual opinion, I consider it a major weakness of old media that they bow down before their corporate masters and only run what the publisher allows.  Corporate held media empires seem more driven by shaping community agendas than providing informative news.  You can quickly determine their bias by the facts they conveniently omit in their pursuit to shape our opinion.  Quite frankly it smacks of endless propaganda vs. informative news.  Thus the editor sitting up in the ivory tower scheming to shape the community agenda over time gets ignored over the individual blogger.  This misconception of the instituitional corporate voice being a strength seems deeply rooted in their world view.  Who really needs to absorb more slick PR and marketing and spin in today&#8217;s time?  Who really needs more consistent groupthink of the same opinion repeated over and over?</p>
<p>Finally, letters to the Op/Ed page has got to be the lamest defense of why they don&#8217;t need to blog or interact.  By the time the letter is published the Op/Ed is long forgotten and yesterday&#8217;s news.  This makes them appear out of touch and clueless and extremely dated.  Why is it so hard for them to understand that people want real time feedback?</p>
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		<title>By: The other Royal â€œWeâ€ &#171; Digital Lantern</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/04/opinionated/#comment-153873</link>
		<dc:creator>The other Royal â€œWeâ€ &#171; Digital Lantern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The erudite but turgid writings on the topic of editorialists, (a critique of â€œofficially empoweredâ€ owner/writers and any other possible voice championed by Interneters) is a wrinkled fabric on which to spill my guts. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The erudite but turgid writings on the topic of editorialists, (a critique of â€œofficially empoweredâ€ owner/writers and any other possible voice championed by Interneters) is a wrinkled fabric on which to spill my guts. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: markbeaulieu</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;The other Royal &quot;We&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

We disdain the privilege of the press pass.

We oppose editorial features without face, afraid of fingerprint.

News royalty must take off their hoods for you wear nothing of value.

We demand old media should learn from new - TV anchors are faces of institutions incarnate. 

We think the letters from the named should be in larger print than the unnamed. And let us chose the fonts of our own character.

We are not the Public, but single letter writers, one at a time. You are public and plural. We respect identity.

We will report on everything and boldly go, brazenly see, and risk our being where you will not.

Networks must measure and display their audience so We have the power to change the pie chart of our most common budget.

We will write our own letters, we will write, for We are the willing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The other Royal &#8220;We&#8221;</b></p>
<p>We disdain the privilege of the press pass.</p>
<p>We oppose editorial features without face, afraid of fingerprint.</p>
<p>News royalty must take off their hoods for you wear nothing of value.</p>
<p>We demand old media should learn from new &#8211; TV anchors are faces of institutions incarnate. </p>
<p>We think the letters from the named should be in larger print than the unnamed. And let us chose the fonts of our own character.</p>
<p>We are not the Public, but single letter writers, one at a time. You are public and plural. We respect identity.</p>
<p>We will report on everything and boldly go, brazenly see, and risk our being where you will not.</p>
<p>Networks must measure and display their audience so We have the power to change the pie chart of our most common budget.</p>
<p>We will write our own letters, we will write, for We are the willing.</p>
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		<title>By: Undertoad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Undertoad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Philadelphia Inquirer&#039;s &quot;institutional voice&quot; convinced me that their &quot;institution&quot; was broken and could safely be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Philadelphia Inquirer&#8217;s &#8220;institutional voice&#8221; convinced me that their &#8220;institution&#8221; was broken and could safely be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Heaton</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank Partsch&#039;s reasoning is pure Walter Lippmann, the father of professional journalism. And whenever I get the chance, I want to remind people of the roots of our profession, for they are birthed in manipulation and social engineering. The apple, after all, never falls very far from the tree.

As a ranking member of the Creel Committee in the Wilson administration, Lippman and his cronies (including the father of public relations, Edward Bernays) were charged with convincing the public that it was in the country&#039;s best interests to enter World War I. This event heralded the beginning of a new hegemony in journalism, and Lippmann was its author.

But Lippmann was a social engineer first, and we know that by studying (and deconstructing) his writings. In Lippmann&#039;s mind, people were incapable of governing themselves, a job he felt was better suited to an educated elite class, among which he included journalists. Here&#039;s a fun paragraph from his book &lt;i&gt;The Phantom Public:&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;A false ideal of democracy can only lead to disillusionment and to meddlesome tyranny. If democracy cannot direct affairs, then a philosophy which expects it to direct them will encourage the people to attempt the impossible; they will fail...The public must be put in its place, so that it may exercise its own powers, but no less and perhaps even more, so that each of us may live free of the trampling and the roar of a bewildered herd.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So this &quot;institutional voice&quot; of which Partsch speaks is cloaked in an elitist arrogance birthed in putting the herd-like public in its place. Is there any wonder the public -- now armed with their own printing presses -- is fighting back?

As our culture continues its drift from modernism to postmodernism, the institutions that are given &quot;special&quot; status through license, position or protected knowledge are all threatened. I don&#039;t think we really want to lose any voice, so I&#039;m not one of those critics who think the institutional press should just go away.

I just want to see them put in their place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank Partsch&#8217;s reasoning is pure Walter Lippmann, the father of professional journalism. And whenever I get the chance, I want to remind people of the roots of our profession, for they are birthed in manipulation and social engineering. The apple, after all, never falls very far from the tree.</p>
<p>As a ranking member of the Creel Committee in the Wilson administration, Lippman and his cronies (including the father of public relations, Edward Bernays) were charged with convincing the public that it was in the country&#8217;s best interests to enter World War I. This event heralded the beginning of a new hegemony in journalism, and Lippmann was its author.</p>
<p>But Lippmann was a social engineer first, and we know that by studying (and deconstructing) his writings. In Lippmann&#8217;s mind, people were incapable of governing themselves, a job he felt was better suited to an educated elite class, among which he included journalists. Here&#8217;s a fun paragraph from his book <i>The Phantom Public:</i></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;A false ideal of democracy can only lead to disillusionment and to meddlesome tyranny. If democracy cannot direct affairs, then a philosophy which expects it to direct them will encourage the people to attempt the impossible; they will fail&#8230;The public must be put in its place, so that it may exercise its own powers, but no less and perhaps even more, so that each of us may live free of the trampling and the roar of a bewildered herd.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So this &#8220;institutional voice&#8221; of which Partsch speaks is cloaked in an elitist arrogance birthed in putting the herd-like public in its place. Is there any wonder the public &#8212; now armed with their own printing presses &#8212; is fighting back?</p>
<p>As our culture continues its drift from modernism to postmodernism, the institutions that are given &#8220;special&#8221; status through license, position or protected knowledge are all threatened. I don&#8217;t think we really want to lose any voice, so I&#8217;m not one of those critics who think the institutional press should just go away.</p>
<p>I just want to see them put in their place.</p>
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