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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Web 2.0 Newspapers &#187; More Jarvis, More Editorialist Debates, More Web2.0Newspaper Bloggery (&#8230;and a bit more downtime)</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/06/cuban-speaks/#comment-159270</link>
		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 Newspapers &#187; More Jarvis, More Editorialist Debates, More Web2.0Newspaper Bloggery (&#8230;and a bit more downtime)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis also liveblogs from the Online News Association conference in the U.S. with posts that mention, among other topics: how Mark Cuban would run a newspaper company (e.g. Jarvis&#039; report: &quot;he says the challenge is not technology but marketing&quot;), &quot;how to make a newspaper talk&quot; (e.g. video); &quot;&#8230; the newsroom is the online department&#8221;, and a panel on new frontiers for news that &quot;quickly turned into a circus &#8212; and, I hope, a journalism lesson &#8212; when [Michael Arrington of TechCrunch] launched attacks on news media, contending that journalists will be losing their jobs and that reporters are fools if they don&#8217;t quit and start blogs.&quot; (Link.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jarvis also liveblogs from the Online News Association conference in the U.S. with posts that mention, among other topics: how Mark Cuban would run a newspaper company (e.g. Jarvis&#39; report: &quot;he says the challenge is not technology but marketing&quot;), &quot;how to make a newspaper talk&quot; (e.g. video); &quot;&#8230; the newsroom is the online department&rdquo;, and a panel on new frontiers for news that &quot;quickly turned into a circus &mdash; and, I hope, a journalism lesson &mdash; when [Michael Arrington of TechCrunch] launched attacks on news media, contending that journalists will be losing their jobs and that reporters are fools if they don&rsquo;t quit and start blogs.&quot; (Link.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: les miserable</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/06/cuban-speaks/#comment-158442</link>
		<dc:creator>les miserable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The YouTube copyright issue is an interesting one. But now that Google has embraced them they&#039;ll have a war-chest to fight the inevitable actions. This could be the lawsuit of the century considering YouTube are flagrant breakers (albiet hosts) of International Copyright Conventions. Not that I&#039;m complaining - I&#039;ve had 270,000 viewers to my mashed vids and have just launched a weekly Television show for broadband and cellphones using YouTube as well as my own site www.mylifeasafrog.com

But...I dunno...do you think Big Brother Google has the same fun vibe to business as YouTube? My bet is no. I see you have Adsense. If they think you&#039;re cooking the books or I should say &quot;cooking the clicks&quot; they just close your account and don&#039;t pay you. No redress. No compensation. So you can run their ads for a year( like I have) and have them threaten to close you down for what they see as click generation fraud. I wrote back saying &quot;I haven&#039;t, I wouldn&#039;t and even if I did, do you think I&#039;d do it for the lousy $5-10 I supposedly make off you guys each month?&quot; And, of course, I get no reply. Not even an automated one. So yeah...I fear for YouTube. The Google lawyers are probably meeting right now...along with the Advertising/Marketing jerks. I&#039;ve a  new name for YouTube if it does come undone - &quot;YouTanked&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The YouTube copyright issue is an interesting one. But now that Google has embraced them they&#8217;ll have a war-chest to fight the inevitable actions. This could be the lawsuit of the century considering YouTube are flagrant breakers (albiet hosts) of International Copyright Conventions. Not that I&#8217;m complaining &#8211; I&#8217;ve had 270,000 viewers to my mashed vids and have just launched a weekly Television show for broadband and cellphones using YouTube as well as my own site <a href="http://www.mylifeasafrog.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mylifeasafrog.com</a></p>
<p>But&#8230;I dunno&#8230;do you think Big Brother Google has the same fun vibe to business as YouTube? My bet is no. I see you have Adsense. If they think you&#8217;re cooking the books or I should say &#8220;cooking the clicks&#8221; they just close your account and don&#8217;t pay you. No redress. No compensation. So you can run their ads for a year( like I have) and have them threaten to close you down for what they see as click generation fraud. I wrote back saying &#8220;I haven&#8217;t, I wouldn&#8217;t and even if I did, do you think I&#8217;d do it for the lousy $5-10 I supposedly make off you guys each month?&#8221; And, of course, I get no reply. Not even an automated one. So yeah&#8230;I fear for YouTube. The Google lawyers are probably meeting right now&#8230;along with the Advertising/Marketing jerks. I&#8217;ve a  new name for YouTube if it does come undone &#8211; &#8220;YouTanked&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Quixote</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/06/cuban-speaks/#comment-157608</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viewership and user statistics at YouTube, reported by Lee Gomes a month ago, seem suspect.  Google would know this.  

But, it does make the daily comparisons with Hollywood seem pretty empty:

http://www.rabbitbites.com/misc/youtube.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viewership and user statistics at YouTube, reported by Lee Gomes a month ago, seem suspect.  Google would know this.  </p>
<p>But, it does make the daily comparisons with Hollywood seem pretty empty:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rabbitbites.com/misc/youtube.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rabbitbites.com/misc/youtube.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: mark cuban</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/06/cuban-speaks/#comment-155800</link>
		<dc:creator>mark cuban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ
i said sponge, not slut :).. But slut would have been more fun to say

nice to finally meet you

m</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ<br />
i said sponge, not slut <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .. But slut would have been more fun to say</p>
<p>nice to finally meet you</p>
<p>m</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>has anyone seen www.Markcubanrocks.com?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>has anyone seen <a href="http://www.Markcubanrocks.com?" rel="nofollow">http://www.Markcubanrocks.com?</a></p>
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		<title>By: CaptiousNut</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/06/cuban-speaks/#comment-155704</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptiousNut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Cuban or anyone done the math on how much of YouTube&#039;s content is an outright copyright violation?  Sure an entire music video is such an example, but what about a small clip from Seinfeld, embedded in a home movie?

My gut (and YouTube browsing experience) tell me that YouTube is not Napster, its content is much more diverse and far transcends mere copyright hijacking.

FWIW, my son is not quite 2 years old and he spends hours watching YT (monster trucks, home made pac-man videos, and other obscure clips) but he won&#039;t spend two seconds looking at a television.

Cuban is a great guy, but sometimes he unfairly comes off as intellectually incontinent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Cuban or anyone done the math on how much of YouTube&#8217;s content is an outright copyright violation?  Sure an entire music video is such an example, but what about a small clip from Seinfeld, embedded in a home movie?</p>
<p>My gut (and YouTube browsing experience) tell me that YouTube is not Napster, its content is much more diverse and far transcends mere copyright hijacking.</p>
<p>FWIW, my son is not quite 2 years old and he spends hours watching YT (monster trucks, home made pac-man videos, and other obscure clips) but he won&#8217;t spend two seconds looking at a television.</p>
<p>Cuban is a great guy, but sometimes he unfairly comes off as intellectually incontinent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert: Bless you, my editor. (SLAP .. thanks, I needed that)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert: Bless you, my editor. (SLAP .. thanks, I needed that)</p>
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		<title>By: Kempton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/06/cuban-speaks/#comment-155681</link>
		<dc:creator>Kempton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, Mark Cuban is a very articulate, passionate and insightful guy. But in this case, I still have to disagree with him on this copyright issue,
&quot;[Mark] talks about the copyright issues around YouTube and says content will be taken down. â€œThe minute that acquisition takes place, YouTube couldnâ€™t be YouTube.â€

I will bet two of my Canadian dollars against one of Mark&#039;s US dollar that the content will *not* be taken down after an acquisition. It just happens that I have posted another comment on a different blog about this issue which I will excerpt (with minor changes) the relevant part here.
---------
In Canada, our Constitution has a &quot;not withstanding clause&quot; (section 33) which allows provincial (i.e. state) governments and the federal government to ignore some courts and supreme court decisions, renewable every 5 years. This is such a powerful tool that some provincial government (I won&#039;t name names) recently tried to use it but the people screamed so loud and got so angry that the government backed down.

Why am I giving this legal example here in this YouTube post? The reason is that I think the copyright laws (like section 33) give the power to the copyright holders to demand YouTube to take down a clip. But the screams that these copyright holders will hear from fans that watch these clips will be so loud and the negative publicity and news generated will be so big that essentially disable effective use of some part of the copyright protection in YouTube space. 

By the way, I am not claiming these copyright holders won&#039;t get compensated eventually (they will and probably should) but my key point is that some of their copyright rights power (e.g. the power to remove clips that they don&#039;t want viewers to see) are effectively gone. The bigger these copyright holders (CBS, NBC, Comedy Central), the less power they have. Because these big players have bigger audiences and are more susceptible to pressure from thousands and thousands of YouTube viewers that they want to please. 

Lastly, I am not a lawyer and I did this &quot;legal&quot; analysis for fun. And believe it or not, half of the time, I changed my mind 2 minutes later. (smile)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, Mark Cuban is a very articulate, passionate and insightful guy. But in this case, I still have to disagree with him on this copyright issue,<br />
&#8220;[Mark] talks about the copyright issues around YouTube and says content will be taken down. â€œThe minute that acquisition takes place, YouTube couldnâ€™t be YouTube.â€</p>
<p>I will bet two of my Canadian dollars against one of Mark&#8217;s US dollar that the content will *not* be taken down after an acquisition. It just happens that I have posted another comment on a different blog about this issue which I will excerpt (with minor changes) the relevant part here.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
In Canada, our Constitution has a &#8220;not withstanding clause&#8221; (section 33) which allows provincial (i.e. state) governments and the federal government to ignore some courts and supreme court decisions, renewable every 5 years. This is such a powerful tool that some provincial government (I won&#8217;t name names) recently tried to use it but the people screamed so loud and got so angry that the government backed down.</p>
<p>Why am I giving this legal example here in this YouTube post? The reason is that I think the copyright laws (like section 33) give the power to the copyright holders to demand YouTube to take down a clip. But the screams that these copyright holders will hear from fans that watch these clips will be so loud and the negative publicity and news generated will be so big that essentially disable effective use of some part of the copyright protection in YouTube space. </p>
<p>By the way, I am not claiming these copyright holders won&#8217;t get compensated eventually (they will and probably should) but my key point is that some of their copyright rights power (e.g. the power to remove clips that they don&#8217;t want viewers to see) are effectively gone. The bigger these copyright holders (CBS, NBC, Comedy Central), the less power they have. Because these big players have bigger audiences and are more susceptible to pressure from thousands and thousands of YouTube viewers that they want to please. </p>
<p>Lastly, I am not a lawyer and I did this &#8220;legal&#8221; analysis for fun. And believe it or not, half of the time, I changed my mind 2 minutes later. (smile)</p>
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		<title>By: Does this mean Larry and Sergey are morons? &#187; Mathew Ingram: mathewingram.com/work</title>
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		<dc:creator>Does this mean Larry and Sergey are morons? &#187; Mathew Ingram: mathewingram.com/work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with del.icio.us &#160; &#124; &#160; Email this entry  &#160; &#124; &#160; TrackBack URI &#160; &#124; &#160; Digg it &#160; &#124; &#160; Track with co.mments &#160; &#124; &#160; &#160; &#124; &#160; Cosmos      Click here forcopyright permissions!   Copyright 2006 Mathew Ingram [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with del.icio.us &nbsp; | &nbsp; Email this entry  &nbsp; | &nbsp; TrackBack URI &nbsp; | &nbsp; Digg it &nbsp; | &nbsp; Track with co.mments &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; Cosmos      Click here forcopyright permissions!   Copyright 2006 Mathew Ingram [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you mean 1.6 billion, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you mean 1.6 billion, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Google + YouTube? &#187; Webomatica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google + YouTube? &#187; Webomatica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Note: Here&#8217;s a pretty funny read with Mark&#8217;s thoughts on Google / YouTube, among other things. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Note: Here&#8217;s a pretty funny read with Mark&#8217;s thoughts on Google / YouTube, among other things. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Dewey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Dewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$1.6m would be a steal ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$1.6m would be a steal <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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