Comments on: ONA: The death of Eeyore http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/07/ona-the-death-of-eeyore/ by Jeff Jarvis Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:28:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Brian Cubbison http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/07/ona-the-death-of-eeyore/#comment-157701 Brian Cubbison Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:29:50 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2093#comment-157701 The first stage of enlightenment for newsrooms was to get your stuff online so online users could find it and read it conveniently. The second stage of enlightenment was to listen to, learn from and report on what other people were doing online, including the radical notion of linking to other people's sites. The third stage is to go out and participate in the network of networked journalism: Be a valuable node in the conversations and help protect the network from spammers and scammers. Most newsrooms are somewhere between stages 1 and 2. But at The Post-Standard in Syracuse, columnist Sean Kirst has a column, a blog, a forum, and the respect of a network of bloggers who care about upstate New York communities. They write in his forum, and he writes about them in his blog and column. Just as important, he posts in their blogs. Not as a bigfoot, but as part of the conversation -- a valuable node in the network. The first stage of enlightenment for newsrooms was to get your stuff online so online users could find it and read it conveniently.

The second stage of enlightenment was to listen to, learn from and report on what other people were doing online, including the radical notion of linking to other people’s sites.

The third stage is to go out and participate in the network of networked journalism: Be a valuable node in the conversations and help protect the network from spammers and scammers.

Most newsrooms are somewhere between stages 1 and 2. But at The Post-Standard in Syracuse, columnist Sean Kirst has a column, a blog, a forum, and the respect of a network of bloggers who care about upstate New York communities. They write in his forum, and he writes about them in his blog and column. Just as important, he posts in their blogs. Not as a bigfoot, but as part of the conversation — a valuable node in the network.

]]> By: Voie http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/07/ona-the-death-of-eeyore/#comment-157616 Voie Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:16:27 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2093#comment-157616 If they leave a vacuum from their non-participation, someone else will fill it - as happens now - and we in the cheap seats still get what we need. The market will drive the winning answer. If they leave a vacuum from their non-participation, someone else will fill it - as happens now - and we in the cheap seats still get what we need. The market will drive the winning answer.

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » ONA: A lesson in journalism http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/07/ona-the-death-of-eeyore/#comment-157610 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » ONA: A lesson in journalism Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:05:41 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2093#comment-157610 [...] This comes at the end of a conference where I was delighted to see, as I wrote over the weekend, that the wars seemed to be over. I saw no print v. online, no amateur v. pro, no blogger v. journalist. I saw constructive, imaginative efforts to share success stories about 24/7, omnimedia, cooperative, imaginative journalism. But all it takes to ruin things is for one guy to pull out the mortars. The ballroom in D.C. suddenly looked like Lebanon. [...] [...] This comes at the end of a conference where I was delighted to see, as I wrote over the weekend, that the wars seemed to be over. I saw no print v. online, no amateur v. pro, no blogger v. journalist. I saw constructive, imaginative efforts to share success stories about 24/7, omnimedia, cooperative, imaginative journalism. But all it takes to ruin things is for one guy to pull out the mortars. The ballroom in D.C. suddenly looked like Lebanon. [...]

]]> By: La Shawn Barber’s Corner » New Media Power http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/07/ona-the-death-of-eeyore/#comment-157531 La Shawn Barber’s Corner » New Media Power Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:15:55 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2093#comment-157531 [...] Journalist and blogger Jeff Jarvis (and here) said this year’s ONA conference was an improvement over last year’s, where he heard “a lot of resistance to change and blogs.” Jeff frequently blogs about the convergence of new and old media and old media’s resistance to it. [...] [...] Journalist and blogger Jeff Jarvis (and here) said this year’s ONA conference was an improvement over last year’s, where he heard “a lot of resistance to change and blogs.” Jeff frequently blogs about the convergence of new and old media and old media’s resistance to it. [...]

]]> By: Jay Rosen http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/07/ona-the-death-of-eeyore/#comment-157393 Jay Rosen Mon, 09 Oct 2006 03:27:46 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2093#comment-157393 Thanks, TC. Verifiable and reliable <i>do</i> matter. They matter a ton. What Howard said. I can imagine newspaper people going to school on the Web and coming out way better for it. Many have done that. Many more will. What I can't imagine is newspaper people going to school on the Web after they thought they've already gone to school on the Web. In my experience that does not happen. Thanks, TC. Verifiable and reliable do matter. They matter a ton.

What Howard said. I can imagine newspaper people going to school on the Web and coming out way better for it. Many have done that. Many more will. What I can’t imagine is newspaper people going to school on the Web after they thought they’ve already gone to school on the Web. In my experience that does not happen.

]]> By: georgia kral http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/07/ona-the-death-of-eeyore/#comment-157095 georgia kral Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:22:28 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2093#comment-157095 "i hear less resistance to, resentment of, and fear of change and that’s good. I hear excitement and imagination and that’s very good." yes! that is good to hear indeed. now just bring that to the new wave of journalists who fear the lack of (paid) work in this world of chaos that is the blogosphere. “i hear less resistance to, resentment of, and fear of change and that’s good. I hear excitement and imagination and that’s very good.”

yes! that is good to hear indeed. now just bring that to the new wave of journalists who fear the lack of (paid) work in this world of chaos that is the blogosphere.

]]> By: Howard Owens http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/07/ona-the-death-of-eeyore/#comment-156769 Howard Owens Sun, 08 Oct 2006 01:43:54 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2093#comment-156769 They don't know as much as they think they know. They don’t know as much as they think they know.

]]> By: tc http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/07/ona-the-death-of-eeyore/#comment-156765 tc Sun, 08 Oct 2006 01:32:25 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2093#comment-156765 Arrington was stunning in self-unaware contradictions. And also an asshole - but that's beside the point. In preaching about the unreliability of mainstream reporters, he likely slandered an NYT reporter, and apologized only when challenged directly.The country needs good, independent, reporting-oriented bloggers, and Arrington has been one of the best. But him going off half-cocked in the assertion of facts is exemplary of the challenges we mainstream dinosaurs face in integrating staff reporting with joe-sixpack reporting (which is time-consuming and expensive, as opposed to opinion writing.) You think verifiable and reliable don't matter? Talk to the 12- and 15-year-old from the earlier ONA session. I wish Jay Rosen all the best. We'll all be better off if his venture works. And if Arrington gets back on his meds. Arrington was stunning in self-unaware contradictions. And also an asshole - but that’s beside the point. In preaching about the unreliability of mainstream reporters, he
likely slandered an NYT reporter, and apologized only when challenged directly.The country needs good, independent, reporting-oriented bloggers, and Arrington has been one of the best. But him going off half-cocked in the assertion of facts is exemplary of the challenges we mainstream dinosaurs face in integrating staff reporting with joe-sixpack reporting (which is time-consuming and expensive, as opposed to opinion writing.) You think verifiable and reliable don’t matter? Talk to the 12- and 15-year-old from the earlier ONA session. I wish Jay Rosen all the best. We’ll all be better off if his venture works. And if Arrington gets back on his meds.

]]> By: Raquel Almeida http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/07/ona-the-death-of-eeyore/#comment-156714 Raquel Almeida Sat, 07 Oct 2006 23:36:08 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2093#comment-156714 Hi Jeff I`m brazilian and the content manager from O Globo Online (www.oglobo.com.br), which the printed version is the second largest newspaper in Brazil.This was my first time at ONA`s conference. I love your thoughts and ideas and it was very interesting see that we in South America have the same problems and doubts you breath in the US. But we also have this optimism and passion. I see it here and I feel it everyday when I`m publishing our website. We are living the revolution, and this is amazing. Hi Jeff
I`m brazilian and the content manager from O Globo Online (www.oglobo.com.br), which the printed version is the second largest newspaper in Brazil.This was my first time at ONA`s conference. I love your thoughts and ideas and it was very interesting see that we in South America have the same problems and doubts you breath in the US. But we also have this optimism and passion. I see it here and I feel it everyday when I`m publishing our website. We are living the revolution, and this is amazing.

]]> By: Jonathan Dube http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/07/ona-the-death-of-eeyore/#comment-156631 Jonathan Dube Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:13:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2093#comment-156631 Regarding the statement that "we’ll know the revolution will be over when a major American newspaper is edited by an online guy," it's worth mentioning that an online guy, Kinsey Wilson, is now the co-Executive Editor of USA Today, so that has already happened. That said, the revolution is far from over - it's just now beginning. Regarding the statement that “we’ll know the revolution will be over when a major American newspaper is edited by an online guy,” it’s worth mentioning that an online guy, Kinsey Wilson, is now the co-Executive Editor of USA Today, so that has already happened. That said, the revolution is far from over - it’s just now beginning.

]]> By: Brett Rogers http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/07/ona-the-death-of-eeyore/#comment-156623 Brett Rogers Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:04:01 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2093#comment-156623 I don't get why it's important that they make enough big changes fast enough. Sure, for them it's important, and maybe your sentiment toward them as a fellow journalist makes it important to you, but frankly I don't know why those of us in the cheap seats should care. If they leave a vacuum from their non-participation, someone else will fill it - as happens now - and we in the cheap seats still get what we need. The market will drive the winning answer. If news folks today want to participate, cool, but I really don't care if they participate or not. Should I? I don’t get why it’s important that they make enough big changes fast enough. Sure, for them it’s important, and maybe your sentiment toward them as a fellow journalist makes it important to you, but frankly I don’t know why those of us in the cheap seats should care.

If they leave a vacuum from their non-participation, someone else will fill it - as happens now - and we in the cheap seats still get what we need. The market will drive the winning answer.

If news folks today want to participate, cool, but I really don’t care if they participate or not. Should I?

]]> By: Ruth http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/07/ona-the-death-of-eeyore/#comment-156597 Ruth Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:11:12 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2093#comment-156597 Will it come in good time? I think so, and this election, with blogs and news online so much ahead of the denouement of a decrepit congress, I believe we're at that time. When the figures in the news can't hold back and stonewall as they did with the press during Watergate, the public is in more control of events. And when blogs are telling the news every minute instead of breathless waiting for the evening news reports, the perpetrators of the offenses are on the spot unavoidably. It's all good. Will it come in good time? I think so, and this election, with blogs and news online so much ahead of the denouement of a decrepit congress, I believe we’re at that time. When the figures in the news can’t hold back and stonewall as they did with the press during Watergate, the public is in more control of events. And when blogs are telling the news every minute instead of breathless waiting for the evening news reports, the perpetrators of the offenses are on the spot unavoidably. It’s all good.

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