Comments on: Whither news http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:43:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: News flash: Dave and Nick are both right » Mathew Ingram: mathewingram.com/work http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-161679 News flash: Dave and Nick are both right » Mathew Ingram: mathewingram.com/work Sun, 15 Oct 2006 03:54:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-161679 [...] I never thought it would come to this, but I have to say I think Dave Winer and Nick Carr are both right. Dave, riffing off a post by Jeff Jarvis on where journalism is headed, said that he sees the future of media as like cooking dinner rather than like a symphony, since “readers are becoming writers.” [...] [...] I never thought it would come to this, but I have to say I think Dave Winer and Nick Carr are both right. Dave, riffing off a post by Jeff Jarvis on where journalism is headed, said that he sees the future of media as like cooking dinner rather than like a symphony, since “readers are becoming writers.” [...]

]]> By: StrayPackets · Awash in the Future of News http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-161465 StrayPackets · Awash in the Future of News Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:35:42 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-161465 [...] Typically, someone vested in the “traditional” side of things got up and said something sure to irritate bloggers. Jeff Jarvis says NPR ombudsman Bill Marimow declared that “what bloggers write is not subjected to the same scrutiny as his reporters’ work”, to which Jarvis replies: “I’d say we are all subject to the same scrutiny: that of the public.” [...] [...] Typically, someone vested in the “traditional” side of things got up and said something sure to irritate bloggers. Jeff Jarvis says NPR ombudsman Bill Marimow declared that “what bloggers write is not subjected to the same scrutiny as his reporters’ work”, to which Jarvis replies: “I’d say we are all subject to the same scrutiny: that of the public.” [...]

]]> By: Dan Blank: Publishing, Innovation and the Web » Blog Archive » Are Days Numbered for Large News Organizations? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-161281 Dan Blank: Publishing, Innovation and the Web » Blog Archive » Are Days Numbered for Large News Organizations? Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:32:59 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-161281 [...] Jeff Jarvis reports from a conference on “the future of news.” As he reviews the viewpoints of several speakers, he laments: [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis reports from a conference on “the future of news.” As he reviews the viewpoints of several speakers, he laments: [...]

]]> By: Mediangler » Blog Archive » What Was That Conversation? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-161137 Mediangler » Blog Archive » What Was That Conversation? Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:00:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-161137 [...] Another conference on the future of newspapers and journalism, reported yesterday on Buzzmachine, brings another collection of cliches: [...] [...] Another conference on the future of newspapers and journalism, reported yesterday on Buzzmachine, brings another collection of cliches: [...]

]]> By: You call mainstream “news” Journalism? I call it an intellectual wasteland. « Joe Duck http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160895 You call mainstream “news” Journalism? I call it an intellectual wasteland. « Joe Duck Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:18:10 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160895 [...] Over at Jeff Jarvis‘, as well as all over the world, there’s a debate about how online news will affect offline news. An anonymous comment notes:  >>news organizations AREN’T the ones keeping democracy alive. And maybe they haven’t done so for awhile<< [...] [...] Over at Jeff Jarvis‘, as well as all over the world, there’s a debate about how online news will affect offline news. An anonymous comment notes:  >>news organizations AREN’T the ones keeping democracy alive. And maybe they haven’t done so for awhile<< [...]

]]> By: Joe Hunkins http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160885 Joe Hunkins Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:04:19 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160885 "News organizations", even at their best, reflect a highly commercialized, narrow focus on events of interest. Even politics is covered by almost all major outlets as scandal and personalities more than issues and substance. The stories of the century, often in the developing world and rooted in the life and death struggles facing *hundreds of millions* are eclipsed by Michael Jackson and Madonna. The journalistic high road was left far in the distance decades ago when Ed Murrows were replaced by Geraldos and Bill O'Reillys. Modern "journalism" ... isn't journalism. It's a wasteland of superficiality and celebrity ruled by ratings, circulation, and money. The internet may not make things better, but it can't get much worse. “News organizations”, even at their best, reflect a highly commercialized, narrow focus on events of interest.
Even politics is covered by almost all major outlets as scandal and personalities more than issues and substance. The stories of the century, often in the developing world and rooted in the life and death struggles facing *hundreds of millions* are eclipsed by Michael Jackson and Madonna.
The journalistic high road was left far in the distance decades ago when Ed Murrows were replaced by Geraldos and Bill O’Reillys.
Modern “journalism” … isn’t journalism. It’s a wasteland of superficiality and celebrity ruled by ratings, circulation, and money.
The internet may not make things better, but it can’t get much worse.

]]> By: Joe Hunkins http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160882 Joe Hunkins Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:02:50 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160882 >>news organizations AREN’T the ones keeping democracy alive. And maybe they haven’t done so for awhile >>news organizations AREN’T the ones keeping democracy alive. And maybe they haven’t done so for awhile

]]> By: Jay Rosen http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160787 Jay Rosen Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:55:43 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160787 Maybe Marvin Kalb should "prove" that by not reaching out to people he can sustain trust in the news. Maybe Marvin Kalb should “prove” that by not reaching out to people he can sustain trust in the news.

]]> By: button http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160723 button Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:37:16 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160723 <i>*Marvin Kalb challenges that, asking her to prove that "reaching out" to the people would improve news*</i> Kalb didn't hear about how Brian Ross at ABC recented benefited from e-mail feedback to his initial entry posted about the Foley affair? It's ironic that Kalb would say this just now. *Marvin Kalb challenges that, asking her to prove that “reaching out” to the people would improve news*

Kalb didn’t hear about how Brian Ross at ABC recented benefited from e-mail feedback to his initial entry posted about the Foley affair?

It’s ironic that Kalb would say this just now.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160721 Anonymous Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:33:54 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160721 "Gregorian says the journalist is the intermediary and interpreter “between society and knowledge” and that the journlist is “the guardian of our democracy. . . . Yo are the ones who keep democracy alive. Economic institutions won’t.”"" Yeah, right. So if that's the case, I would find fewer New York Daily News reporters covering the Mets than covering events involving the New York City public schools. And of course, Page Six and the NYT boldface column, that's all about democracy, right? And the funnies and crossword. That's part of the problem, news organizations AREN'T the ones keeping democracy alive. And maybe they haven't done so for awhile. And maybe it's time to stop thinking that they do. “Gregorian says the journalist is the intermediary and interpreter “between society and knowledge” and that the journlist is “the guardian of our democracy. . . . Yo are the ones who keep democracy alive. Economic institutions won’t.””"

Yeah, right. So if that’s the case, I would find fewer New York Daily News reporters covering the Mets than covering events involving the New York City public schools.

And of course, Page Six and the NYT boldface column, that’s all about democracy, right? And the funnies and crossword.

That’s part of the problem, news organizations AREN’T the ones keeping democracy alive. And maybe they haven’t done so for awhile. And maybe it’s time to stop thinking that they do.

]]> By: Lisa Williams http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160716 Lisa Williams Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:23:10 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160716 D***. This is right next to me, but I didn't hear about it in time. Thanks for blogging about it. D***. This is right next to me, but I didn’t hear about it in time. Thanks for blogging about it.

]]> By: John Schneider http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160687 John Schneider Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:16:02 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160687 Kudos to Vartan Gregorian. Using the term "consumers" as a catch-all term for a collection of individuals is dehumanizing and, frankly, lazy. In the context of a conversation about journalism and newspapers, one should use the term citizen. Those of us in media are fully aware of what advertising means to a media outlet - we don't need to be reminded of it every second of the day. Kudos to Vartan Gregorian. Using the term “consumers” as a catch-all term for a collection of individuals is dehumanizing and, frankly, lazy. In the context of a conversation about journalism and newspapers, one should use the term citizen. Those of us in media are fully aware of what advertising means to a media outlet – we don’t need to be reminded of it every second of the day.

]]> By: Scripting News for 10/13/2006 « Scripting News Annex http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160683 Scripting News for 10/13/2006 « Scripting News Annex Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:13:17 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/13/whither-news/#comment-160683 [...] Jeff Jarvis is at a conference at Harvard today about the future of news. [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis is at a conference at Harvard today about the future of news. [...]

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